QUOTE (Transition @ Mar 10 2006 5 07 PM)

As someone has said earlier (I don't know whether it was here or in another forum), even when Charlene and Gillian are in the same group there are many Char fans who bash and even threaten Gillian, then can you imagine what they will do after that they have disbanded?! I know some bashing won't hurt, since we can't expect everyone to like her, but I just hope they won't go as far as what the KC fan did...
If it was a few years back I wouldn't want them to split, but since we can see that Gillian can do as good or even better by herself...I kind of want them to disband too. Since it would do both of them good, when it comes to both singing- and acting-wise. Because then Gillian can go her own path and choose whatever songs that suit her and the same with Charlene. And plus there wouldn't be a reason of the directors to put them in the same movies either...
Yeah, I think it was at this forum, mentioned by kawaiilala? Uh huh, as we can see Gillian/Kenny/Charlene incident, Charlene fans can get out of hand sometimes. Don't mind me saying, but the KC fan was obviously more concerned about Charlene than Kenny. The pairing of KG isn't even the actual issue that the fan wanted to complain about. Kenny was just there as an excuse to complain about Gillian. For example, if we were as uncivilized as some may be, we, as Gillian fans, could be writing letters to EEG saying that we don't like the pairing of SC and we want Gillian to be with Steven more, and we're threatening Charlene,etc. Obviously, we'd just be doing it because of Gillian, and nothing about SC/SG. The only difference would be that kind of information wouldn't be let out to the media because it is going against Charlene, and if it did leak out, then the fault would still land down on Gillian about how out-of-control her fans are. :lame:
If the fan hated KG that much, we'd imagine he/she would've complained earlier and not wait about two or three years after they've been paired up for multiple times already? It was a bit after Kenny went solo too, and that already minimizes the chance of KG pairing up again because Kenny is off to Isabella as he is a solo artist. Then to comfort that immature fan, EEG let Charlene star in Kenny's MV and let them have a kiss, which I read that the role was supposed to be Gillian's

, though I'm not sure of whether it's true or not. It doesn't seem that likely though since there was a kissing scene in there, and we know where Gillian's restrictions are. If it was true, then that hater has just made Gillian lose her chance of tearing her restrictions apart.

Anyway, I think EEG probably knows that KG are actually quite suitable for each other since after that threatening thing died down, who is the one dueting with Kenny and filming a MV with him? Gillian.
I agree with you that it wouldn't have been suitable for Twins to split earlier, but it seems like they are actually holdbacks for each other at certain times. Songs suitable for Charlene, which are most of the Twins songs, really aren't suitable for Gillian, and songs suitable for Gillian, which are songs that are more upbeat and with rollercoaster strains of the voice, aren't suitable for Charlene. Even movie genres of each don't correspond with each other. I don't know about Charlene, but I can say that Gillian's best films are those without Charlene (nothing against Charlene, but judging from plot). Now I kinda want them to disband too.
QUOTE (kawaiilala @ Mar 10 2006 9 57 PM)

Twins need something new or else their fading popularity will only worsen due to too much exposure in both areas and not much new to entertain and interest the audience with. Twins would probably never really duel each other in a film because wouldn't that make one a villain and the other protagonist? Even though Sa's characters flood the screen but the more important and protagonist like characters fall upon Gillian except for the Death Curse so obviously if Twins were to star in a enemy-like genre, Gillian is certainly not the villain and Sa's characters are too overly cute that she can't possibly pass for a villain either so I guess that's why Twins can never pull off a serious genre of friendship, betrayal, love, and hate. I mean, if Twins were involved in a love triangle, that would even become more obvious on who is the protagonist as she ends up with the male lead.

And for the records, Edison in Twins Effect I was not even close to being the male lead so no, Sa wasn't the lead lead. It was Gillian who swallowed the vampire thing and defeated the main villain. I just tend to believe that a main lead character is labelled as a lead for some particular reason so since Gillian normally receives the more important roles indicating her impact on the storyline, her lead role, she should get more screentime than Sa, whose character exists to make the audience laugh but doesn't have much influence on the plot but rarely does that happen.
It wouldn't neccesarily make one of them the villian because there are times where two are actually good people at heart, but they just don't agree with each other or even work against each other because of their own good reasons. For the love triangle, the male lead sometimes just don't end up with his true love due to little stupid reasons about morals or responsibility, so he chooses the cuter, and most often the 'weaker' one, who he believes to seriously cannot take it if he left her, and he leaves the 'stronger' one, most often the one he really loves, just because 'she'll be able to resist the pain'.

That kind of plot is sometimes so corny, yet it makes one jerk a lot of tears for the girl who is left alone. That's also where she wins all the points from the audience too.

Wait a sec..... speaking of love triangles, I've just noticed that Twins never really had been in a love triangle before, besides their MVs.

Now that you speak of it, Gillian's' characters are leading in terms of the plot in their previous films, just not in screentime. Maybe that's how the scriptwriters decided to help Gillian out; in no way could they help her out in terms of screentime because it would be obvious, but they can assign her to a character who is important and useful towards the plot of the film.

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Your reasoning is true to about why Twins can never pull off something serious. Maybe it'll only work to how Transition said it, only if they disband could directors not be obligated to place Gillian and Charlene in the same film, or even if they do, not be obligated to care so much for their sisterly image that they can never seriously quarrel in a film, at least not for long. I remember actually looking forward to TTE II because in the news about the filming TTE II, the director complimented that Gillian could really switch her expressions and emotions really well in and out of scenes since she was playing a villian, and also there were articles stating that Gillian was the female lead and Charlene was merely playing a supporting character

. Then when I watch it, I find that Blue Bird was not even close to being a villian, she was merely following orders of WeiLiu to find the Star Of Rex and didn't even intend to hurt any of them. As for Charlene being supporting, now I know that being a supporting character doesn't neccesarily reflect on the screentime. I mean, 13th Young Master is a supporting character in the terms of the plot, but her screentime still flooded and stood equally, if not more, with Blue Bird, who is a leading character in the terms of the plot.
QUOTE (kawaiilala @ Mar 10 2006 9 57 PM)

Twins are successful due to their own hardwork and spark that just struck HK like no other but part of it does involve EEG. I guess, EEG has this huge ego that if they already built so many successful artists once, they can repeat the steps again but they are forgetting or ignoring the fact that the market constantly changes. I really do hope that Gillian can somehow get out of this bind. It would be such an extreme loss to the HK industry if Gillian faded due to being underpromoted. Gillian has a lot of unreleashed potential in both acting and singing, EEG should really reconsider their circumstances.
Boy'z? Hm, no one even remembers them anymore. Great job EEG!

Pat on their backs for achieving their intentions of freezing Steven in singing, a career he was formed for.

EEG should really think outside the box for once and set aside those silly family tie issues as well. But I suppose giving someone what they deserve doesn't exactly appear in their dictionary, does it?

Gillian is trapped at the moment, but I hope she does find her way out or find someone as her guide to lead her out. It would be a pity if Gillian faded only because of underpromotion, for we can see that she still has a lot of things that we haven't seen yet to contribute to the industry.
At least there are still people sticking up for Steven and supporting him. Just think of it, Gillian fans and Steven fans caused a huge traffic jam during that parade thing for "49 Days". Weren't there hundreds of people there? Well, a Steven fan who was there did admit and point out that there were more Gillian fans there in general, but there were quite a few Steven fans there as well.
QUOTE (kawaiilala @ Mar 10 2006 9 57 PM)

One of the most talked about serials recently was World's Finest. I agree, that there were minor glitches but which serial doesn't? Hopefully, the filming, wardrobe, and finished product doesn't turn out like the World's Finest though because the wardrobe was unbearable (my personal impression), the filmography of the angles etc. were nice but could had been more professional and clear, and hair is everything! Some crews tend to get really lazy pasting and removing hair back and forth so they just have the actors wear any simple wigs and that is a recipe for disaster.

The overall production of Amazing Twins was a bit better in my opinion. The wardrobe made Nic look extremely appealing and hot while Dicky looked like Dicky, nothing special but the fighting scenes, raining scenes, and everything altogether came out pretty well coordinated. Let's hope Flying Fox of Snowy Mountain is a similar BUT even better production. Hopefully, Gillian's character has an extremely unique wardrobe since she'll be dealing with medicine so I'm expecting unique patterns to go along with her herbs and stuff and hope that her hair will also have unique gadgets or something, something similar to Ah Nu in Chinese Paladin would look really cute and extraordinary.

' I tend to associate medicine pupils to funky clothes. Um, is this serial, this adaption Hans or Manchus? Because Sunny and Charmaine's adpation was Manchu but just from pictures, it seems like this adaption this time around is Hans?? I could be wrong but the clothes and hair Nie Yuan and Athena wore to the opening ceremony/press conference were Hans right?? I'm confused.

I have never read the novel so I have no idea which dynasty or era this story really took place in.
Mainly, I didn't like the hairstyles of the male leads in World's Finest. Wallace and Roger's hair just made you think, "Were there curling irons back then?"

The only hairstyle and wardrobe that looked nice was Michelle's female wardrobe, not her pink cottage girl outfit, but the one she wore near the end and when she died? I think that looked pretty, but of course we didn't get to see much of that. I hope Gillian has a good wardrobe too since she doesn't exactly have to advertise the 'flying fox' part of the show as Nie Yuan and Athena do and splatter a big fox fur thing around their shoulders.

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It seems like Gillian actually likes this role personally this time. In a recent magazine interview, she said she was happy because she can finally portray a tragic role!

Gillian revealed that she's been reading the novel itself earlier, so she'd have the understanding of the role before actually filming.

She said, "Ching Ling So is an apprentice of a medicine master and an orphan. Her senior (Sze Jie) is jealous of her because their master had passed the secret manual of medicine down to her, so she plans to seek revenge on Ching Ling So. During this time, Woo Fei (Nie Yuan) saves her, and Ching Ling So ends up falling in love with him, yet Woo Fei loved another, so this is a role of tragedy!" If Gillian is enjoying the role, then there's no reason for us not to, I guess.
I'm not sure about the dynasty, but I think it should be the Qing dynasty since it does involve QianLun and he's an emperor of the Qing dynasty? But I don't know if that was made up by TVB or not. I kinda want it to be in the Hans time since they just tend to have better wardrobes. During the Qing/ManChu times, all they can have is a braid, or any hairstyle involves a braid, but then Wong Jing doesn't pay that much attention to it. In Duke Of Mt. Deer, it was in Qing Dynasty, but all the wives of Dicky had hairstyles of the Hans Dynasty. None of them did have braids.
To me, I think a girl who works with medicine should kinda appear like a goddess. Maybe I'm just influenced after watching The Herbalist's Manual of how Michelle appeared like a god when she was a medicine girl. Obviously unless they do an extreme makeover on Gillian to make her look ugly to suit the novel, then they can't refer to her as ugly in the series, unless they want some serious criticisms. It also ruins the point to how directors like choosing beauties to be Ching Ling So, or maybe Wong Jing just wants to appear to be different?

' It could probably be better if they switch to saying that Ching Ling So is a beautiful girl, but Woo Fei still can't accept her because she simply isn't his true love. It could make Woo Fei appear to be less shallow and judgemental about things.
QUOTE (kawaiilala @ Mar 10 2006 9 57 PM)

If Sa fans threaten Gillian again, Kenny who sold himself as Gillian's slave for her birthday gift will protect her!!

One thing I am restless about is, Gillian sort of needs Sa for promotions from EEG. Once Twins split, I'm not sure if EEG will still promote Gillian or are they going to put her off to the side, focus on Sa, and then attend to her later but by then, it would 10X the difficulty returning to the ET industry as a solo artist under the EEG shadows of Sa. GR! EEG!! Currently, it really really depends on how strongly united Gillian fans are, they are the bottom line determining factors of Gillian's next step in her career.
GILLIAN SUPPORTER!!
Kenny did voice out for Gillian when the threatening by Charlene fans occurred earlier. He said that he'll act as a shield for Gillian and should any feces come her way, it'll have to get past him first.

Well, as you've said before, up to this point, Twins are still interdependent on each other. Gillian needs promotions, and she'll get them from sticking by Charlene. Charlene needs popularity, and she'll get some by living off of Gillian under the name of Twins. Gillian's problem is easier than easy to solve. EEG simply has to transfer half of the promotions they place on Charlene to Gillian, and she'll be good to go. Charlene's problem's harder though to techniquely 'solve' because it doesn't depend on promotions, but on the audience. But I'm sure that EEG wouldn't mind wasting a few more bucks to do more manipulation on people to think Charlene's still so popular, they just need to focus a bit more on Gillian.
I would've thought that EEG would put Gillian in the corner if Twins had split two or three years ago, but I seriously think differently now. From our earlier discussions, it seems as if EEG does need Gillian as one of those who stand EEG up. It's a fact that EEG needs someone to take turns of grabbing the Best Female Singer Award with Joey. Joey's really pushing it far already with the TVB Award ceremony, she's taken it three times in a row, anymore EEG is going to be trashed for rigging it though Joey is a good singer. EEG craves for the award to be in their pockets, but they will probably have to let it go this year.
I know that EEG, as you've said, has a high ego of themselves of bringing up artists, but how long would it take for them to do that? Mani has already hinted towards the media that because Twins is a group, they are unable to snatch the Best Female Singer Award, but can only settle for Best Group at the most. Twins aren't even able to grab a top ten songs award. EEG doesn't invest much in Twins anymore either. Their MVs are more simple than simple; all their MVs of their recent album were ripped off of their concert; therefore, not even having to film for them. 'Kindergarten' is a very good and meaningful song, but the highest it could even go on the JSG charts was fourth place; it was taken off all the charts completely afterwards. To sum it up, EEG seriously needs one of the Twins to help out because they are well-known, no offense to Isabella or Yumiko, but they're not even worth the mentioning about taking Best Female Singer at the moment anyway. Both Twins in the game would be shooting themselves in the foot though. From our earlier discussions, it's more likely for the singing one to be Gillian, for she hasn't been labelled as a singing person nor an acting person, and Charlene has been recognized as one to act.
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