Hehe! I guess sometimes wishful thinking isn't at all foolish!! I'm SOOOO happy about Conscience Discovery still hanging in on the chart!! Maybe TVB will give the song a good result while the other charts didn't. I hope it does get higher up on the chart, hopefully to #1.

Conscience Discovery is on teh JSG Chart list? Anyone have this week list? So Gill is going to go to the 25th HK Film? What's the date?

Edited:
I forgot to mention earlier than whenever I watch a award show or concert of Twins it just makes me sooo darn mad that the camera people goes to Charlene more than GIllian! Even my sister which isn't a Twins fan said the same thing.. theres something wrong with this camera issue! It really bugs me!

Yes, Conscience Discovery is on the JSG chart list at 7th place. I just found out that Conscience Discovery had been on the chart all along; it turns out it had been at 15th place last week, and not that it didn't make the chart. Wow, it made a leap of 8 places in one week.

I only have part of this week's list because the JSG I watched was somehow editted, and it missed out which songs were in 4th, 5th, and 6th place.

EDIT: I found what 4th, 5th, and 6th place are.
1. Modern Era - Joey Yung
2. Fortunate For Three Lives - Ronald Cheng
3. Freedom Goddess - Liza Wang/Kelly Chen
4. A Woman With A Past - Miriam Yeung
5. Romantic - Edmond Leung
6. A Sorrow Person's Day - Kay Tse
7. Conscience Discovery - Kenny Kwan/Gillian Chung
8. Very Love - Alex Fong/Stephy Tang
9. Angel Loves Beauty - Rain Li
10. Big Trouble - Patrick Tang

I think Gillian is definitely going to the 25th HK Film Awards, which is on the 8th of this month. She'll be lighting the fires for the opening ceremony.

Great!! I'm so happy that Conscience Discovery is on the JSG Charts again!! I hope it can get to number one so they would go live!! I have yet to hear the duet live and I wonder if they are as sync together in live as on the CD...lolx..

I wonder too...Is any, in this matter, "49 Days" going to be featured in the 25th HK Film Awards?? I hope it does and the film gets some awards!! I can't wait for the DVD to come out...the date is creeping closer

I feel this year is going pretty good for Gillian...everything seems to be getting better and better and in Gillian's favor or somewhat advantage...Does anyone think the same as me??

I agree; I really want to hear Kenny and Gillian together live as well. I think their voices are quite in sync on CD, so I want to hear how it is live. I also want Conscience Discovery to hit #1 so that the HK audience can hear how differently Gillian projects her voice when without Charlene. Let's just hope that Conscience Discovery will be able to hang in there and keep raising up on the chart!

"49 Days" won't be featured in the 25th HK Film Awards because it is a film of this year. The 25th HK Film Awards is for recognition of the films screened last year, which was 2005.

I feel that way as well; despite all the biased issues that have been and are still going on, things have seemed to be getting better for Gillian. Maybe EEG did read and take our emails into consideration? Or maybe that fortuneteller, So Man Fung, is really accurate on his prediction on what's gonna become of Twins in the coming future?

Cant wait to see them sing it live! I really hope that it will rise to number 1, hopefully it will seeing how it didnt for the other charts.

Also, is House of Fury nominated for anything? Since it was a 2005 film, I remember I heard it got nominated for something somewhere, but Im not sure about it.

Uh huh, the best position standing that Conscience Discovery has is on this TVB chart; it never even got on 903, and it didn't get into top ten for Metro and RTHK, just top twenty. I hope TVB will act a little different than the other stations. Because you know, TVB usually likes throwing surprises and out of the ordinary things out at us, so I hope this is a time where it happens. I hope it does get up to number 1; Gillian hasn't had a single song that got number 1 on the TVB chart yet this year.

I think Stephen got nominated as the Best Newcomer Director for House Of Fury, and that's it for House Of Fury.

yeah, things have been getting better for gill :]
i'm not sure what's the reason behind it, but I hope it gets better for gillian ^^

although '49 Days' won't be in this years HK Film Awards, hope it will next year ^^

i wanna see kenny & gill sing live too! they seem like such a cute couple, and i'm slowly shifting from a EG fan to a KG fan now

oh my gosh....oh my gosh....oh my gosh...
I'm so very excited even though I have no clue what's going on with the song conscious discovery but from what i'm sensing it's in a very good place....I hope it will continue to go up the ladder because the song is really tight....like paris hilton always say "that's hot"....it's true...the duet between kenny and gillian is awesome...nothing can describe how amazing that song is...even though i have no clue what
they're saying i can sense the tone of their voices that the song mean something really deep and sincere.
I pray that Gillian will continue to rise up just as she should have been.
I don't know about you guys but I'm totally digging this whole kenny and Gillian thing...
they're beginning to look really cute together...I use to think Edison and Gillian but now I'm into--should I call it the KGoholic........
That's just me!

I'm a very recent Gillian fan, but I dunno much about her heritage. I seriously thought she was mixed something else. Is she not? Someone fill me in! sorry if this sounds like a dumb question!! lol

Yes! Its on the list at number 7! I really hope they do get to go perform it even though tis not number 1!!!!!! Still they could still perform and when it hits number 1 sing ti again!

check out my self-made music video featuring edison chen & gillian chung, inspired by asillysaint.
some feedback would be greatly appreciated..
enjoy. =)

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xbufIc1OlLA

My Twins Concert 2006 DVD arrived this morning and so, eager me watched it twice! Hm, both Twins' performance was um what's the word, almost decent. '

My Critique, let's discuss since there hasn't been much to chit chat about lately. My opinions may be a bit rough and harsh; I wasn't quite impressed with this concert at all. I only watched it twice because I wanted to make sure I heard what I heard, valid enough to make comments incase some fans called me bias or whatnot.

It seemed as though Twins didn't have any preparation; their voices somehow still lacked the beautiful ability to capture the audience's hearts and souls. A few songs were rushed and some were so empty of emotions; it seemed as though Twins just swiftly spoke the words instead of threading the words together within the musical melody into its original content, a song.

There were many moments when Gillian's fragile voice couldn't reach the high notes and reflected off quite horribly but I admire her for at least remaining in tune with the initial notes because Sa on the other hand, didn't have any trouble with the high notes because she never sang any. Sa totally altered the songs in her live performances by lowering all of the high notes into a standard level, enough to sing but blandly and not at all how the songs were intended to be sung.

Gillian's solo performance was really nice. She sang beautifully, defeated every note, and seemed quite relaxed with her emotions.

I loved Sa's blue dress; looks really good on Sa. Her solo performances were . She sang the verses nicely but when her voice approached the chorus (the part of the song where the voice is supposed to stretch and grow stronger) Sa couldn't execute it. Yeah, her voice sang the chorus but when she tried to stretch her voice, her voice didn't extend, it remained in a monotone loud attempt but if you know music, that's not how it's supposed to sound. And when Sa did attempt to sing the higher than normal notes, her voice was on the verge of breaking, like literally shattering so her voice transitioned back to the lower notes. My brother walked in and even realized how awful that turned out, no offense. At times, Sa's voice sounded whiny and squeaky instead of passionate lol.

Perhaps, Gillian performed better in her solo songs because the songs were of deeper tune. If Gillian and Sa had swapped solo songs, it could have turned out better because Gillian's sweeter and higher voice matches with Sa's solo songs while Sa's deeper and lower voice goes will with Gillian's fighting solo songs.

In regards to Twins as a whole, I personally think Gillian remained more on target in terms of the notes, melody, tune, and sounds much more similar to the CD version. Actually, I was a bit more impressed by Gillian than Sa when they both sang together. Gillian's voice just seems to be so much more flexible and versatile in singing no matter how loud or how well Sa sang the lowered notes, Gillian just all in all sounds way better but opinions could vary. When Twins sang with George Lam, Gillian just outshined Sa then and there when her voice began the second verse. Gosh, but I just love how well Gillian performed despite some difficulties on the high notes. She sounds so similar to the CD versions in all of the songs, it's so admirable and wonderful to listen and watch.

Now I'm beginning to fully understand why EEG would want to support Gillian in singing and Sa in acting. If this concert wasn't enough to show EEG that if anything, Gillian should be the candidate to enter the music industry next to Joey instead of Sa then I don't know what will.

Hm, even Isabella I thought performed better than Sa in their own song.

I'm trying to keep this short but the best song I liked most was "Thank You for Your Love" because Gillian did an excellent performance, hitting each note successfully and entirely. Anyways, hopefully Sa fans who enter this thread won't think that I'm biased because honestly, I'm not...I'm not...I'm not about this concert! This concert just evidently shows that out of the two, Gillian is the better singer but you can be the judge! Or perhaps, Sa just wasn't feeling too well that night because this was just one night out of their tour.

Let me go back and re-watch it incase I missed out on anything.

Hehe, I've finally waited for you to watch the concert!! I really wanted a two-sided discussion about the concert for a long time when I watched it. You know, now I wish that I got the DVD version instead of not being able to wait for it and settling for the VCD version. I heard that the DVD version has better sound qualities. This concert may not have been the best, but it definitely is the best out of the three concerts that Twins have had.



Twins are still Twins; they are still a group who have a tight, tight schedule of work piled up for them. They still made many major improvements to their singing. Gillian has said once, "We know that being busy isn't an excuse for poor singing, but we'll try our best." Concerts do have their disadvantages of having to pay for the overtime, so there are usually certain rushing moments in each concert. There were also quite a few songs of which they weren't able to complete the whole song, but only half of it. Has "Femininity" ever even been performed fully? The new melody of "Thousand Gold" sounded really nice though; it even sounded nicer than the original! The bad thing is they didn't complete the whole song again. I didn't really like how they sang Lifesaver; it sounded kinda...... happy? Lifesaver should've been kinda bittersweet, but they sang it like a happy song. The only part that sounded suitable for the song was the the first verse that Gillian sang; the melody and their tune all went wacko afterwards.

It seems like the major quality of Charlene's singing voice is that it's very stable. Charlene really knows which note she's best at; therefore, she keeps her voice there for any song. I think that's mainly why she sounds the same in each song, and why she's considered to be the better singing one of Twins by certain people because Charlene knows how to avoid most of the moments that would reveal her weaknesses of singing, which is to alter the notes off. The downside of that is altering the notes does alter the feeling of the song altogether. I also like it of how even though Gillian knows that the notes she sings aren't always perfect, she still tries and gives it an attempt.


I really liked Gillian's solo performance; she looked very 'cool' when she was just rising up onto stage. She looked like a conqueror of some sort. Her solo performance was pretty much the best of all the performances throughout the concert for Gillian, in my opinion anyway. It can also defeat all the people who claim that 'Gillian can only sing slow songs'. "Good Deeds There Are Many" was done well; Gillian had a very different way of portraying the song as compared to how Joey did it; Gillian sang at a higher note than Joey. It was pretty good because there are two complete different feelings with the same song when listening to Joey and Gillian individually. I loved it! "Cry Smile Affinity" was also nicely done because it gave Gillian practice of how to remain on a stable note and sing in a low voice. I wasn't that thrilled about how Gillian technically only had two solo songs during her performance that she sang live. The second song was just merely played in the background while Gillian fought on-stage. I'm not even that sure whether that song was really a solo version of Gillian's since the song is a Twins song to begin with, and when they typed out the song name, they didn't write, "Singer: Gillian Chung", as they did for "Cry Smile Affinity" and "Good Deeds There Are Many". The audience was really excited and crazy during this performance. I think the reactions of the audience for Gillian's solo was at its extreme in contrast with the rest of the concert.

I suddenly want to hear Gillian sing some fast songs, or maybe rock songs even. (I was listening to 'Love Genius' by Kary the other day, and for some reason, my dad asked to confirm if the singer was Kary because he thought the singing techniques sounded a lot like Gillian. I can't gather that thought because I've already implied to myself that the singer is Kary. It could be possible; they do have the same singing teacher. Now I really want to hear Gillian try singing different varieties of songs; songs like 'Love Genius' is pretty good, and it's like trying new things. Gillian has way more versatility than we see, and she shouldn't be limiting herself.

I liked Charlene's blue dress when it was long; I somehow thought it looked kinda weird when it was shortened up to her thighs. That's just a personal preference though since that's probably just a style, and it makes it look more unique. I didn't quite like Charlene's solos either. The songs didn't quite fit her voice and singing. It was probably more difficult for her to alter any of the notes because they aren't Twins songs that she's familiar with, and they're just more difficult to sing in general. The beginning of the songs were all nicely done, but I agree of how problems begin when the chorus comes in. Songs that require high notes and stretching really aren't within Charlene's best terms of singing. I especially didn't like her version of "Love Is The Biggest Right", originally by Ping Pung. I was nearly sitting on the edge for her when she was singing the chorus. Her voice was literally breaking. I think Charlene would've had more luck singing "Cry Smile Affinity" since that was a song for a low voice and it has a stable key.


Well, Gillian's voice has always been more versatile and flexible than Charlene's voice; I've always believed it as that way. HK people just have to shake off that stereotyped comment of how loud = better singing. It's like Charlene's solos; what good is loud singing going to do her if her voice can't take the high notes and is on the verge of cracking? There are times where Charlene simply can't overpower Gillian voices no matter how she forces her voices out for it to project louder. Like when they sang "Kindergarten", I don't know if it's just me, but Charlene had this sense of intensity in her eyes and was giving lots of strength into her voice while singing for it to be loud, but since "Kindergarten" is a high noted song to begin with, Gillian's voice just projected itself beautifully into the song, though Gillian didn't implant any extra force in and just sang normally. ' It was even more visible and obvious at the IFPI Awards. Actually at IFPI Awards, Charlene didn't appear to be as eager, and Gillian was slightly overpowering Charlene's low notes with her high notes.

Anyway, I think Charlene's still being really good at her low and stable notes while Gillian portrays a more flexible and versatile voice, which is indeed easier to find fault in than a stable voice. Yet, from little small details, we spot who has a better technique in singing. "Disgrace" is a very good example to prove my point. Just listen closely to each of them sing, "Wak Je". When Gillian sings "Wak Je", she can continue on smoothly onto the next of the lyrics without stuttering; whereas, when Charlene sings "Wak Je", she has to make a very abrupt retrieve with her breath hastily before going on to the next note; it sort of sounds like a gagging sound. '

EEG would be being smart this time if they really are planning on to bring Gillian close to singing and Charlene to acting. Gillian actually adapts to her solo voice after she does that particular Twins song solo when singing with Charlene anytime afterwards. She sang "Starlight Amusement Park" with Charlene at the IFPI Awards, and Gillian sang great, despite Charlene's further loud singing attempts. She gave lots of control with her breathing and note controlling while Charlene...... well, she was breathing quite loudly, and she sounded a bit shaky for some reason, which is quite rare to see happen with Charlene. She seemed to be more focused on how to sing louder than how to sing well. '

Hmm..... I don't know about Isabella being better than Charlene at her own song. I still haven't fully accepted hearing her voice yet. But you're right, Charlene should be the one who is most familiar with this song since it's her solo song, and they've allowed the solo version to be sung most of the time. It was kinda mean of how Gillian only sang one verse alone of that song, but regardless, she sounded great, almost like a CD version.

The direction of the fans' support can also show the path of Twins. It's obvious at any singing functions, especially this concert, that Gillian is the one who is called for more often. See how Gillian was given that huge bouquet of flowers and the other medium sized bouquet after her solo performance while Charlene didn't receive any bouquets at all? The rate of applause also had a great difference too. Fans were yelling and screaming Gillian's name when her performance ended; she had to stop talking and wave and say hello because there was so much cheering. Charlene's applause was quite mild, but got stronger when George Lam came up. <--- Just stating what I saw on the concert, I'm not trying to insult Charlene in any way. On the other hand, Charlene's recognition comes a lot from her acting. She gets her hands on many nice scripts with a decent cast; therefore, Charlene is recognized as a promising boxoffice actress. Many people do see Charlene as acting rather than singing.

For me, I really hope this is EEG's plan. Even though I like watching Gillian act as well as sing, I would chose for her to focus on singing over acting any time. Making Gillian abandon singing is an absolute loss to the singing industry, I can say. Perhaps whether Conscience Discovery will make it to #1 or not on the JSG chart or whether Gillian will go to JSG without Charlene could be taken as a sign. We can see that EEG is starting to split them up into singing/acting, but letting HK hear Gillian without Charlene still isn't done yet, and HK's their mainstream. If Gillian does take some kind of recognition regarding singing home without ties of Charlene, then we could more fully believe that Gillian will focus herself on singing in the future. Again, everything written here is just my opinion, and I hope no Charlene fans who decided to come by will be offended by this. This is all based on my observations and personal opinions.

Mine arrived the previous week, and I've watched it 3 times in total to make sure I have watched all parts, since I missed out a few minutes of Charlene's solo the first time, abit of the medley the 2nd time and etc. I thought the concert was quite okay, their live-singing has indeed improved...but their dancing was totally off in my opinion. I don't know whether it's Charlene who was dancing too fast or
Gillian dancing too slowly, because they weren't tight/in-synced at all. The choreographys weren't that good either, maybe better than their previous concerts, but it's definitely not up to par with the other artists.
Maybe it's time for EEG to hire a better dance choreographer? Because dancing does actually play a huge part in concerts.
I think it would have been better if they had chosen more new songs too, instead of always including 'Love is bigger than the sky' and 'Kite & Wind'. I mean it's getting abit repetitive, especially for those who have watched their Ichiban & 04Very fun concerts. But all in all, this was definitely the best concert of theirs.
I thought both of them sang 'Kindergarten' nicely, except for a few off-keys here and there...



I thought Gillian performed her solo very well too, considering the Jordan song she sang wasn't really the type of song that suits her technically, since her pitch is usually high...while that song required low.
So I was really impressed how she managed to pull the song through without doing any major mistakes, or any mistakes at all for that matter.
As for Charlene's solo, I too thought she did a very good job when singing the verses, but on the chorus I noticed she had a quite hard time reaching the high notes. So she had to...like you said; transition her voice back to the lower notes. But the funny thing is that my parents and brother thought Charlene's solo was much better, since they claim that Gillian went off-key and out of breath in 'Useless good deeds', which I don't think she did, after watching it 3 times. But I guess people have different preferences, maybe they prefer slow songs rather than the fast ones, or maybe they somehow got influenced by the HK people and think; being loud=good singing?

Wow...such long and indepth observations....I can't really comment because I'm no expert on music...lolx...I listen for how the voice sounds, literally, the music tunes and the chorus... That's why I love Gillian's voice..so sweet and soft!! But one thing I think is really important about a song is the chorus..usually songs that gets to the chorus is where it really 'catches' a person's attention (the best part in a song) and if a singer can't reach the notes or sound good on that part...the whole song wouldn't be good but it's only my opinion.

I think having a stable voice is important but being able to adjust their voice to a song is more important. It means that they understand the song and know which is the best way to deliever it to the audience. Gillian's able to do the latter better because I notice in some of Twins' songs, she adjusted her voice for a few songs and it fitted the songs nicely and made the song better, to me. But of course having both, stable and having a versatile sound is best.

Hmm...about the recent award performance by Twins, I notice/feel that Gillian seemed more confident while singing but Charlene was a little shaky (maybe from the lack of performing on stage and her main focus on her movies for a while)....In the awards show, Gillian's voice sounded softer than her solo performances or maybe it's because of the contrast between Charlene and Gillian's voices that made it sound that way.

Talking about award shows could someone please upload the performace they had on the IFIP award? Thanks!

about the concert...

I say it was overall alright. Though like what Little_Purple_Bell had said before. When Gillian sang her second solo song she wasn't even singing. I watched this concert like 10 times already and I studied her lips and it wasn't even moving. I guess the song was just playing in the background.

I liked the songs Charlene had sung for her solo but then if it was Gillian maybe it could of been better since Charlene voice is the loud one. Her dress? Come on people! There could even be babies watching the concert and her dress was like 10 inches below her waist? What's with that?

The Isabella was kinda funny to me since at first Charlene took her hands and Gillian wanted to take her other hand but she couldn't because Isabella had her mic in the hand that Gillian wanted to take. So instead Gillian just held her shoulders...and I thought it was weird that Charlene would just do that leaving Gillian with nothing but the shoulders..lol

The dancing part (wearing black) was my favorite "twins" part..the dance moves are alright and kinda hard for me to remember since I want to know the dance too...and I thought that if it was the last concert how come they didn't put the part where if no one supports them...they will split.. those kind of line? But this time Kite and Wind was the last song and they bowed.. I thought that was stupid.. lol

Anyways.. on my JadeWorld TV it shows that on Sunday is the 25th HK Film Award.. is it?

I liked the part with Twins and Isabella because I saw how caring Gillian was to Isabella, as if she were a big sister to her. It really felt like they were sister-like when they were just simply linking arms and walking slowly with each other. When Charlene held Isabella's hand to go walk around towards the audience, it was Isabella who linked her arm with Gillian's, but Gillian had to let go of her arm afterwards because Isabella needed that arm to hold the microphone in for the upcoming verse, so instead, Gillian held on to Isabella's back with her hand to help and guide her down the stairs. No offense or anything, but to me, the part where Charlene suddenly went up to put her arm around Isabella's shoulders looked kinda 'fake'. Fake's probably not the right word, but it seems like it's just done for the camera. It could be just me though. But is it just me or does it look like Charlene always tries to have more 'contact' with their concert guests? Like somehow hang on to them physically, or start a conversation that leaves Gillian out? I seem to notice that a lot. It's just that some guests who are more like seniors know how to deal with these situations, and they bring in the left out one, like George Lam and Remus Choy. They were the guests who were equal with both of them; like speak to both and have contact with both. Remus actually even took Gillian's hand instead.

The bowing part at the end actually seemed kind of touching; it was a 90 degree bow. It was like a sign of Twins' thanks for the support that their fans still give them, despite the harsh criticisms given about Twins. They didn't have the question of how they asked if the fans want the split or not because they asked it on the third concert, but didn't ask on the last concert. I heard that the last concert was actually the most bland of all; like on the third one, they asked about the split, on the first one, Gillian got really emotional and broke out in tears because she expressed that during the previous concerts that they've had, she would see her grandpa sitting in the audience, but there'll be no more of that because he's passed away , then on the second one, it was really funny because Joey suddenly jumped onto the stage and started singing with Twins when it wasn't scheduled for her to come out at that time! So yeah, nothing much did happen in the last concert.

The 25th HK Films Awards is taking place tomorrow on the 8th, so that means it'll air on your channel a day later?

Serious? Joey did that? Aww I want to see that! I wish EEG could do the same thing for Twins as they did for Joey. Have a extra DVD with all the guest! Anyways who's this Remus guy? He took Gillian's hand?? Ooo Yeah sometimes I see that too! Charlene wants to get the guest all for her.. lol

Oo its on the 8th? So its airing 0one day later.. it's alright as long as I get to see Gillian light the fire!

Remus Choy is the main vocals of a group called, "Grasshopper".

I'm watching the film festivals tonight! HAHA.

I understand why Sa has to avoid the high notes to stablize her voice but it bugs the patience out of me. In every song that Sa sang that night, all of the notes were disturbingly off, lowered. Any slow song requires a good amount of high notes and by Sa modifying the notes, the beauty of the song does change as well. I really enjoyed Gillian's portions of the songs because though in some moments her voice was a bit weak, her voice still remained high. And what bothered me the most was, how Sa attempted to project her voice louder to perhaps cover Gillian's or for whatever reason, it was already bad enough with her voice deepening every note, she just worsened the songs by singing louder but so out of tune, notes, and melody. Sorry to say but if anyone calls that singing? then I really think you're a super Sa fan, enough to label that as singing, no offense.

Gillian's onstage entrance was awesome and magnificent. I really enjoyed her fighting skit and solos too. Yeah, Gillian only sang two solos. I think for the second Twins song, it was plain music plus the voices of the background singers onstage. I wanted to see more of Gillian too since she performed live so well. Ever since yesterday, Gillian's version of "Good Deeds There Are Many" has been stuck replaying on my mind. Gillian is like a seductive Queen with a mission lol. If EEG was to promote Gillian into a solo artist, most likely Gillian will follow the footsteps of Joey. Gillian might completely shed her jade girl image into a sexy and beautiful goddess similarly to Joey, except the pretty part lol. I agree, "Cry Smile Affinity" was quite creatively presented. The audience was mesmerized by Gillian. They were actually participating and cheering Gillian on all the way.

I really wish Gillian could perform Kary's genre of music too because I believe Gillian has so much unextracted potential like Kary who was held back during her depressing days of Cookies.


I really didn't like Sa's solos at all. Sa's voice couldn't balance what was required to sing those songs successfully. Oh yeah, no doubt she sang those songs if Sa fans are complaining about this post but again, sorry to say folks, if you've heard the original versions of those songs and Sa's versions, there's a huge difference and of course, Sa's voice is supposed to introduce a difference since she is a different singer but still, the songs aren't supposed to make a 360 degree turn. For example, even though people hate Isabella but she actually exceeded my expectations and performed quite well at a Twins song, better than Sa because at least Isabella kept truthfully at those high notes and did a pretty good job too.

Actually, every song that night Twins performed, Sa seemed to exert quite an aggressive loud attempt to cover up Gillian. Gillian in contrast just simply smiled and relaxingly sang with no sweat at all. Disgrace was probably the only song that evidently disfavored Gillian because her voice couldn't reach a few high notes while Sa, hm...didn't attempt at all at the hight notes so not much to comment about that. But half through the song when Gillian walked back to the center of the stage and turned to face the audience beginning off the chorus again in Disgrace, that was when Gillian regained her position and performed smoothly straight through the remainder of the song beautifully. Gillian completely redeemed herself in that portion.

Hm, haven't watched the IFPI Awards yet but yes, during Kindergarten at the concert, I thought for the very first time, Sa actually sounded like herself when she sang her first verse with the original high notes and for a second there I was actually happy that Sa won't ruin the song but nope, as the song progressed, Sa continued to sing louder, deeper, and so off tune again. While Gillian just gently sang her parts with confidence and sincerity since the song was supposed to be quite meaningful, peaceful, and soothing.

Perhaps Sa hasn't practiced singing for a while now, which could explain for her messy coordination in singing performances these days.

But yes, I've never been fond of Isabella's singing but apparently, she sort of convinced me why EEG would want to promote her as the next solo female singer next to Joey. I truly believe she did a really good job versus Sa at Sa's own song, isn't that ironically silly?...but sadly true. I really dislike the fact that Sa believes that loud singing is considered real singing; she's misleading the young audience into believing that as well.

Gillian sounded like CD Versions in almost all of the songs that featured her voice. That's why I'm so proud and impressed of how much Gillian has improved overall. I guess the previous solo performances before the concert totally increased her practice and confidence, enough to perform marvelously.



Yeah, it was so funny how Gillian had to pause a few times to wave hello to the non-stop screaming fans. And yes, those boquet of flowers were huge, encouraging, and so welcoming. And you would think that it would be Sa who would be receiving boquet of flowers since her solos consisted of just walking around that circle, available for retrieving a few gifts and boquets.

When Twins set out into the audience to wave hands, notice that there was a huge crowd flowing towards Gillian sticking out their hands and some people at Sa's side were even moving towards Gillian while Sa stood a bit away from Gillian with no crowd or anyone shaking their arms at her until Sa walked away to the right of the screen sticking out her hands first and then the people near the rails stuck out their cameras and arms? That was funny and also shows how much unconditional support Gillian has.

Let's hope EEG is not bias enough to promote Sa into something she's evidently not as great at in comparison to Gillian. People can claim this and that of how Sa is the better actress but if anyone still claims that Sa is the better singer?? I suggest them to rewatch this concert and if they still consider Sa's performances as good live singing abilities then sorry to state my most honest rebuttle, that's probably why HK is fading. Singing does sort of rely on preferences but bad singing is bad singing period, there are no exceptions and you can't stretch the bar too far in accepting everything as singing.


Yeah, I sort of sense that too. Sa always has this surge of extra energy when a guest comes onstage and pops up right at them before Gillian while Gillian just let's Sa have her dosage of attention. Isabella and Gillian do appear to be closely knitted together. Isabella kept turning over to Gillian and Gillian would just nodd her head like, "You're doing well, don't worry."

I was anticipating on Kite and Wind live, since it's been a while but I was again a bit disappointed how Sa sang it. Sa's notes weren't as low compared to her previous performances but I was expecting a lot more emotions and passion since this was supposedly their last song (?) but Sa lacked so much emotions for this song and even rushed it a bit; it turned out weird and insincere.

I understand that there are Sa and Twins fans that enter this thread but I'm not going to ignore how badly Sa performed to make any fans happy by sugar coding in any way. This is my analysis of the concert; not based on how much I favor one or the other. I'm not saying I truly know music but from experience, I think I can tell which performances considered major revising and which were decent.

Pics at the HK Film Award

I also noticed how everytime there's a guest star, Charlene standing really close to them and sometimes even delibrately take ahold of their hands. People can argue that she is more out-going and friendly but I don't know, it gives me a feeling that's not the case. Gillian, on the other, would just stand around and wait for the guest singer to turn to her direction and shower her some attention. Funny, how one of the Twins is more "friendly" while the other is more "reserved".

When they were walking around the stage, Gillian was shaking a lot of the fan's hands and was a little left behind for doing so but Charlene just stuck to Isabella and shake hands in her range. I was glad when Isabella took Gillian's hand because it feels like Gillian is being left out.


Thanks for the sharing the pictures!!

I don't quite like Gillian's hairstyle. The dress..I like but also don't like. Gillian looks really pretty but for some reason the dress and hairstyle just doesn't fit her that much. The style of the dress made Gillian look shorter...because of the extra "layers". But Gillian does look more mature and about age 25...lolx...Did Gillian gain weight or is it just the dress that made it look so?

yeah me either.. don't like her hairstyle.. and the dress does look like it made her gain weight.. though Im happy she went alone

^Yeah, Gillian looks a bit meatier than usual plus the hair makes it worse; seems like her hair stylists all got lazy and just decided to wrap it in a thing like that lol.

Anyways...about the concert, Sa performed well in the first few songs especially the fast ones up until "Thank You For Your Love" was when her voice lost it. I forgot to add that. I guess Sa does sing better at fast songs because all of the notes are meshed together anyways so high notes aren't necessarily required which hides away her high notes weakness. But one other thing I was a bit uneasy about was how much Sa spoke while Gillian just stood there waiting for a chance to speak but due to time constraint couldn't and Sa didn't even acknowledge 90% of the time that hello? it's Twins not a one man show here. Personally, it made Gillian look like the unfriendly one out of the two, always pushing the speech entertaining to Sa like some Sa Fans claim, which isn't true at all. There were many incidences when Gillian wanted to talk but Sa just overpowered her utters.

I'm glad Gillian is so independent now; people should stop saying that Gillian needs to depend on Sa for public support out at functions and events because surely looks like Gillian is shining alone just fine and even better.

I just want to comment that it would be a shame to see Gillian go towards the singing industry because I think, in my personal opinion, that she would like acting more since she gain much more recognition for films than for songs. Songs are more of a Twins thing.

Both Twins fare better in acting rather than singing. On CD quality, it's not a problem, but when live, it's very noticeable. I think Charlene is much weaker than Gillian in terms of singing. Not saying her voice is weaker, but that she doesn't sing as well as Gill. No matter how much improvement can be made, Gillian would always be labelled as one of the Twins who can't sing. It's harsh but it's true. The HK music industry currently is heading toward the more talent less looks trend with peeps like Janice and Justin. It would be very very hard to fight against them. You could tell that it was quite awkward for Twins at the Chik Chak awards this year because it seems like the atmosphere is supporting singers who can really sing. As much as I like Twins, their singing can't even compare with the recent batch of newcomers. It would be a poor outlook for Gill if she heads toward the music industry fully. Not only does acting get more publicity, attention, recognition, and money, but Gillian can act pretty well, and is improving, and she shines in movies and series.

Someone up there says that it would be a lost for Gill to not sing, I say it would be be an absolute lost for Gillian not to focus on acting instead.

Charlene's altering of the notes is understandable since she wants to cover her flaws, but I think she should actually give attempts to sing them. She'll never learn how to sing them if she just keeps avoiding them. As for Gillian's portion, her high notes definitely aren't perfect, but at least she does try to sing them; they weren't off by that much either. I think Gillian can perfect them with the help of time and practise. I always get bothered when Twins come together to sing a verse because Charlene just gives endless attempts to cover up Gillian's voice; the verse was given for both of them to sing for a reason, right? If we only needed to hear Charlene's voice, their producer would've assigned that verse for her to sing only, wouldn't he/she? Charlene should really give her attempts to where it's neccesary, like those high notes, instead of her all-time goal of covering Gillian's voice.

Yeah, for the second song of Gillian's solo performance, I couldn't even tell if that was even her voice. Perhaps it really is just the background singers singing it. It's funny how Gillian can dress so sexily during a Twins concert where there are people of all ages there, yet can't do any intimate scenes in films, of which theatres have age restrictions for? That last outfit of hers that was see-through with a bra-top? I call that sexy. Well, if she does go on to be a solo artiste, I wouldn't want Gillian to be so much like Joey since it might clash between them. But it seems like all the solo artistes of EEG carry some kind of sexiness in their image with them. Her solo performance was designed very well, and Gillian had the whole stage under control too. Why do people keep claiming that Gillian supposedly gets 'scared' whenever she's without Charlene? Gillian's performances are even more superb without Charlene than with. The crowd was so excited; Gillian sure got them burning.

Barely anyone had noticed Kary when she was in Cookies; she was always overshadowed by the others like Stephy and Theresa. Now people can see what she's made of now that she's on her own, and she can't be overshadowed by the others. I hope that Gillian will have a day when she can show her own potential and not be overshadowed because of biasedness.


I think Isabella's singing just needs to be a tad bit more rigid, then she could pass for some decent singing since her voice sounds quite fragile sometimes. Isabella expressed that she's going to keep going for both singing and acting; her upcoming CD's going to include a movie along with it starring Steven! It's supposed to be a prequel for her movie, Isabella. EEG's really just gonna push Steven to be a part of acting in everyone else's CD productions, eh? It seems like Isabella is starting to pair with Steven more than Kenny; they've been going to functions together, and now they're filming a musical film together. I wonder if it's because Kenny's gonna make his way back to pairing with Gillian? Anyway, I'd much rather Charlene just sing normally and naturally; she would sound better and not appear to be so overbearing when singing.

Yeah, they were each supposed to sing a verse after another, but when it was coming to be Gillian's verse, Isabella joined in with her for some reason, and then all three of them sang together on the last verse.

I loved Gillian's performance in this concert because of the improvements that were made, but it wasn't because of the solo performances since most of her solo performances happened after the concert. I don't know; maybe Gillian has her ways of gaining more confidence. Maybe because of the huge supports from the fans? That bouquet that she got at the end of her solo performance was HUGE! I thought it was funny too that Gillian couldn't keep talking because of the screaming. She kinda chuckled and then waved and said hello to calm the people. They were still screaming for Gillian when she was leaving the stage. Yeah, it would've been much more easier for Charlene to receive the bouquets and stuff, but she didn't get any.

The support for Gillian was crazy during the concert; watch closely when they were singing Lifesaver! The security guards had to literally yank Gillian away from the crowd because all the people were sticking out their hands trying to grab her! It was also quite.... hmm.... funny to see that Gillian had four security guards around her during that time while Charlene had one, and there was another security guard who was just walking in the middle (don't know what he's doing there, ) Gillian looked very 'busy' because she was actually running around trying to get all the hands! It seemed kinda cheesy of how Charlene had to stick her arms out before Gillian did to get people to shake it. ' That was what happened during their song with Isabella, Charlene was walking on the far side and was holding Isabella's hand; therefore, she didn't shake many hands, but Gillian did and got a gift of some kind. Charlene then seemed to not be not able to take it anymore, so she let go of Isabella and and walked ahead of Gillian and Isabella to stick her arms out for handshaking, then Isabella and Gillian just linked arms with each other instead.


Gillian doesn't seem like the kind who would fight another person for attention, or at least we've never seen that happen. Gillian just kinda stands and waits for Charlene to be done with attention seeking. That's why I like seeing that they invite some of their seniors as their guests because their seniors actually know how to take care of the situation and bring everyone into the spotlight and conversations. When they bring in guests who are less experienced, they are likely just to respond to the one who just keeps talking to them non-stop. It's like how Isabella had to stay close to Charlene because Charlene was just clinging onto her; therefore, leaving Gillian out, but she did have a chance to have some contact with Gillian when Charlene decided to let her go and go towards the fans more. I never really thought of Gillian and Isabella to be so closely knitted until this concert; it's those little small details that we see happening during the concert. Gillian looks so warming and welcoming when she smiles to reassure Isabella.

I didn't like that performance of Kite And Wind very much; the beginning was decent, but when it all fell apart when they started singing in a round. Charlene was at it again, giving all her powers to be singing loud and overpowering Gillian's voice, especially at the last verse. Gillian's face looked quite relaxed and a bit emotional, but I saw that intensity in Charlene's eyes, and heard the force that she's exerting out in her voice. The song's made to be a round for a reason; it's so we can hear both voices tuning in two different parts to us. Charlene did sound like she was rushing too, again the intensity.


I have the feeling that it's not the case either. Even while being out-going and friendly, she should be cautious that this is a Twins performance as a whole. I seriously feel that whenever Charlene grabs the guests physically, it looks for much like 'for the camera'; these situations always happen when the camera is directly shot at them. She never does it when the camera is at a far angle or anything, but only when the camera is RIGHT THERE.

It seems like the dress was just randomly picked out of nowhere. Let's just say.... Gillian has had better wardrobes than this. *coughs* With that dress on, it actually makes Gillian look like she has a large stomach at some angles of the photos. Let's just hope that Gillian can find a better dress next time. Gillian only appeared for about a minute at 25th HK Film Awards Show; she looked so tired, but confident. I loved her little speech that was played as she walked down the red carpet. There was a lot of cheering for her; that's for sure.


People just need to see that Gillian's not such an introverted person. I'm so sick of those arguements of how Gillian just absolutely 'hates' to speak and how she's so introverted, and Charlene's just being 'so considerate' by speaking for her. It's like oh gee, thanks. There's been numerous times during different interviews and concerts of when Gillian wants to speak, but Charlene cuts her off. What happens to Gillian when she's not with Charlene? She can get through performances and interviews just fine. There was a function that Gillian attended with Joey, and they had a quite equal time of speaking. Don't tell me that Gillian's just introverted when she's with Charlene, and she just suddenly knows how to speak more when she's with Joey. Seriously, why do people always say that she has to depend on Charlene? There's been just as many times that Charlene leaned on Gillian when she started crying during various awards shows as Gillian leaned on Charlene.

Uh huh, Charlene has decent pitches when she sings fast songs, but not the kind of fast songs like "Godd Deeds There Are Many" though since that's one of the fast songs that also need emotion. Emotional songs and high pitched songs really do give away her singing weaknesses. Before I saw the concert, I seriously thought I would've liked Charlene's solo performance more than Gillian's since I'm more of a slow song fan, and I was quite excited to see that she'll be singing, "Love Is The Biggest Right", but it turned out differently after I actually saw it.


I see what you mean, but these are just our own discussions, hypotheses, and opinions all put together based on what we see happening with the job arrangements of EEG recently. Gillian did receive recognition for acting, and even Gillian herself expressed that she'd like to act more in films, but it doesn't look like EEG's going to do that with her. From the beginning until now, I see that EEG basically 'reserves' the acting priority to Charlene first, so if anything, acting's gonna be Charlene's cup of tea no matter what. Mani has expressed that any group including Twins could have a chance of coming to an end, and it does really seem possible that the disbanding of Twins is coming near, so it's just our guesses to what will be happening with the two of them if they do split.

To me, I don't think EEG would make both of them stick with acting. Making both of them act only would mean that they're losing their income from the music part of their career. No offense to them but for EEG, money is their priority. I don't think it'd be that hard to shed the stereotyping; Twins as a whole is actually starting to lose the 'can't sing' label themselves. They are getting recognition that they are hardworking and are gradually improving. I don't see it as being that grim even if Gillian is fully heading for the music industry. I seriously can say that when Gillian performs solo, it sounds 99% CD version-like. I don't know why she sounds so much more worse when she performs with Charlene. It's going to be hard if she does head fully towards music; I'm sure of that, but I'm also sure that EEG probably wouldn't make both of them head out towards the same path if they do disband, so that's why one singing and one acting sounds reasonable. EEG's probably thinking that maybe if one majors in one thing and the other in another, they can make more income or something. It's most likely not as easy as they think, but knowing EEG, if they want it to happen, it will happen.

Twins is improving, and it's not fair to let them keep that label, but the talent trend is very strong now. Nowadays, it's weird to see Twins standing next to Justin or Janice. It's just not the same, sort of a boundary line between the two. And Justin and Janice are quite the hit now in HK. I hope Gillian does act more, I enjoy watching her in movies. As for singing, I wouldn't say it's something I would support...the live portion at least.

In a way, I could understand why EEG would want to separate the two. People are already comparing the two now, if they do break up, then it would be even worse. If one works in movies, and the others works more in music, then there would be lesser chance for comparisons. However, I think it would be harder for Gillian to succeed in the music industry compared with newcomers like Janice, Ivana, and Kary. I think even Stephy Tang would fare better than Gillian in music just simply because Stephy has better songs. EEG used to have better songs, but the quality of their songs have been decreasing as of late. They really need to hire new compositionist and lyricists. With movies, there aren't many young actresses that can grace the screen as female lead.....only Miriam, Sammi, Cecilia, and it's boring seeing them over and over again. Thus, it shouldn't be hard for Charlene if they decide to put her in the movies industry fully.

Anyway, Little Purple Bell, I admire your passion in supporting Gillian. I enjoy reading your posts, they're always filled with such passion and admiration for Gillian. You are definately a true fan of Gillian's!

I don't know why, but I have a really strong support for Gillian to continue singing. I know that not many comments of either Twins' singing really does them any justice on the singing route, and there really was a time of when Gillian had really poor singing; I think it was just after she healed from that injury in the throat from filming House Of Fury. Yes, I definitely agree that artistes like Janice and Justin are finally turning the HK music industry around with their talents; I personally am a fan of Janice's too, just love her singing, which also makes me wonder how Jill will do in the industry. Hehe, back onto topic, I think Gillian's live singing is good...... when she sings alone anyway, but it's going to be pretty hard on her if she does focus on singing; that's for sure. I'd like to see Gillian act a bit more too; so far, she's only got one series on her hands. I hope she at least gets one or two films done this year.

I find HK people kinda harsh in regards to the group Twins. Many people hope for them to remain together, and woah, letters of threatening to kill Mani, that's a little overboard there, yet there are quite a few people who like one of them but hate the other to bone. I don't know why, but there's barely any people in between who just like one a bit more than the other but restrain from bashing the other. That's why the splitting of Twins seems understandable.

The quality of songs from EEG was really good back when Twins first came out, but it seems like EEG's slacking off on their artistes, Twins in particular nowadays. The songs from Kenny's previous album were nicely composed and written actually, but it's mainly Twins' songs that have obviously gotten worse. Stephy's songs have nice composers, but I still don't really accept her lyrics writing; I can never understand what the meaning of the song is, Blue Shoes in particular. The melody was nice, but what do the lyrics mean? Kary and Janice would be a competition for Gillian, but I'd think that she'd fare better than Stephy. Then again, if EEG did have the heart of promoting Gillian into singing and of letting her stand in stability there, I think they'd be cautious of the quality of songs. Like asillysaint has said before, film industries are easier to stand still in and easier to make comebacks even if you screw up because people watching films will have to be watching all of the cast in that film even if they're just watching it for one person in the cast; therefore, it's easier for one to change his/her mind on how an actor/actress acts. Charlene will definitely have no problem in the film industry since half of her foot's already stepped into it, and she gets pretty good offers for films too.

Aww...... Thank you for your compliment.

Well I say Gillian is better off singing and I don't blame you for saying she's better off acting.. everyone got their own opinions and so yeah..

Just say the little clip of Gillian at the 25th HK Award Film.. and her line was wow! So little though right in the beginning.. heres the clip credits to xlai-wong-baox @ TC www.sendspace.com/file/sbiglj

Yeah, Sa tends to perceive live performances as a battle ground between herself and Gillian, projecting her voice louder and deeper to sustain the position of her notes. I also become a bit agitated when both Twins rejoin at the chorus because Sa makes the both of them sound horrible live together when it's really not Gillian at all and it just becomes even more evident that Sa's notes are so low compared to Gillian's.

Well, I guess no one has knocked any sense or wake up calls to Sa yet regarding her loud off tune singing. People in HK actually believe that Sa is the better singer for crying out loud just because she happens to sing louder than Gillian! So Sa actually feels confident in her loud off tune singing rather than progressing towards the high notes.


That was a sexy outfit Gillian entertained the audience with. Twins are EEG's most innocent, cute, and pure duo but even they are becoming more and more revealing and sexy so no doubt, EEG will definitely switch Gillian's image 360 degrees or if Gillian was to represent the solo Gillian as a cute and reserved girl as the theme for her first solo album, that image probably won't last long until the short short skirts and sexy sexy tops fill Gillian's wardrobe.

I mean, look at Stephy. I thought her recent album cover was a bit too revealing? It's only her second album and she's already stripping merely naked, what else is there to show the listeners and audience now? Even Kary, who I thought was much bolder than Stephy in almost everything didn't bare herself as much. And sorry to say but Stephy is nowhere near the term "sexy". Hopefully, Gillian doesn't transition drastically like that either because that wouldn't exactly be considered admirable. How does a naked body covered up in a red ribbon have anything to do with music again?


Yeah, I noticed that too. But there was an audience to Sa's left side too but she just felt like cutting right in front of Gillian and Isabella to shake that side of the audience's hands. Ironically, as much as Sa quickly embraced Isabella's arm, hand, and side, Isabella kept her distance and resumed to take comfort in Gillian.


Hm, let's just hope Andy is never invited as a guest star because we all know what type of publicity will result from that. And plus he's not neutral anyways.


Yup, Sa repeatedly bended fowards and backwards just to defeat Gillian in singing Kite and Wind but the whole meaning of the song was teamwork, a unique bond but surely that's not how Sa performed.

Honestly, I think we all know how considerate Sa is towards Twins as a duo especially Gillian; truthfully, not much so that explains why she's quite abrupt with her actions disregarding Gillian.

Gillian is beautiful no matter how ugly her outifts are and how sloppy her hair looks, even in rags, she's still goddess-like but yes, this is one of Gillian's recycle bin outfits.


Yeah, I hate to argue with irrational people who really cannot distinguish between real introverts and people like Gillian who wish to speak but are too considerate of others *ahem* Sa and promptly waits without interrupting. Joey is much more relaxed and actually hides away from cameras.


Yup! EEG could promote Gillian into singing and Sa into acting for one year then switch the direction of both the next year multiplying in profits. '


I am upmost certain that Gillian has potential in singing. Gillian's voice just needs some extra exposure to a variety of different songs that will help her explore her own strengths and mend her weaknesses. Gillian has been trapped singing such simple Twins songs that don't require much abilities for so long, even she herself is not aware of her singing potential. EEG hasn't trained Twins at all how to vibrate their vocals, seriously control their respiration, and really use their energy in emotional rollarcoaster songs because Twins haven't experienced any of those type of songs except Kite and Wind and Disgrace but even those songs aren't really considered challenging enough. Once EEG officially decides to promote Gillian as their new solo female artist, EEG will finally train Gillian properly, a serious practice real singers discover themselves in.

If I had the option, I would promote Gillian in both the acting and music industries because I believe a great actress and sensational singer like Gillian shouldn't have to step aside just to avoid clashing with Sa in any area.


If EEG does decide to promote Gillian in singing, I believe they will put forth full effort into establishing Gillian as the next singing Diva next to Joey by making proper adjustments in regards to lyrics, music, and the overall production. EEG tends to heavily invest in their newcomers so even if EEG lags a bit on Gillian later on, at least Gillian has already released a few good albums like Joey and has proven the fact that she can sing!

Either way, EEG is pushing Gillian to test the hot waters first before allowing precious Sa to. In acting, no doubt Sa will proceed decently but I'm glad that if EEG promotes Gillian in singing, it'll be something different to anticipate on because Twins are already producing solo films anyways so not much surprise if Sa completely entered the acting industry because she already is in the acting realm along with Gillian.

Music is a much more difficult industry but I believe Gillian will do just fine. We as fans just need to continue supporting her when the Twins split does arrive.

HK people keep labelling both Twins as horrible singers but the Twins 2006 Concert whooped their ridiculous opinions about Gillian but oh wait, it's HK we're referring to, loud implies better whaha! No offense.

Gillian~

^^Your replies are so sacrastic about HK..sounds funny to me...lolx..Even if Gillian is going to be a solo singer soon, she won't clash again Justin and Janice so I'm not really worried about that. It would be the new talents that would be competing against Gillian in the near future...If EEG really gives Gillian the right procedures; train her and give her time to practice her singing, I believe Gillian will continue to improve greatly since even when she is so busy now, we are able to hear improvements in her singing and acting skills!!

One thing I really don't want to come true is about Gillian's image having a 360 degree change. I don't think it's a good idea if Gillian starts dressing revealing and sexy because it's just going to make HK people think that Gillian really has no talent and has to rely on this image to gain her popularity after going solo. I'm sure a lot of people will start saying/thinking like that especially those anti-Gillian and anti-Twins fans.

Yes, that's exactly why I see Charlene as an attention seeker during many times. It's like I don't mind watching her on films, or listening to her CDs with Gillian and Gillian and Charlene do lean on each other for support at various times, but why does she do that during live performances/functions? Is it really that necessary? It really appears that she really wants to be acknowledged and known as AH SA as an individual and show that she's so much better in singing and acting than Gillian. Is it that hard for Charlene to be performing in 'peace' instead of making it like a live battlefield as you've expressed? I've noticed that Charlene's loud and deep notes makes the verses of where both sing together sound worse; a good example of it is 'Starlight Amusement Park' during the IFPI awards. Gillian adapted her solo singing ways back onto 'Starlight Amusement Park' though singing with Charlene since she's performed it alone at the HITO awards, and it was really obvious of what Charlene was doing, even to a person who didn't care for details. It was also a performance of Charlene's that was quite shaky, but anyway, Charlene was rushing loudly during the song; therefore, taking very rapid and loud breaths in between each line, which made the whole song sound horrible. But it was obvious that the fault was on Charlene since a viewer could see that Gillian had been taking small breaths AWAY from the microphone, and she wasn't in much of a race either.

I guess that's how all sorts of faults continue to grow on people; it's because there are other people supporting the person for his/her faults! I'd say that Charlene will just be confident if she knows that she's covering Gillian's voice with her own.


I think if Gillian does go on solo, she will adapt to a more mature style. Gillian herself wasn't even that fond of wearing a school uniform for their first mandarin album since she said in an interview that she's in her twenties, yet she's still prancing around as a school girl, so she feels the image is a bit incompetent. A bit of sexiness is fine, not the super revealing kind, but just the right amount like her outfit during the solo performance would be good. I seriously don't mind seeing a whole new Gillian.

That album cover was probably just to attract more male fans. I hope that Gillian won't do what Stephy is doing; no offense to Stephy, I enjoy listening to her songs, but making four different covers for one CD with the same content no matter which cover is being pretty cheap because she's most likely aiming for her fans to buy all four; therefore, higher selling results. Kary has expressed she didn't think that the photos in her album were that sexy, but it's just that the presence of the tights make it feel and seem sexy. Yep, the record companies have all the say in the artistes' images. Kary said that she didn't particularly love going for the sexy image, but since that's what her company designed for her, she had to stick with it.


It always appears like Charlene can't let Gillian get more attention than she does, despite that we can see who the screaming and cheering of fans is directed to , but if it's something she can do about it, believe me, she'll do it. She might've wanted to go near the right side more because that's where the camera's directed at. It looked so awkward when she cut infront of Gillian and Isabella.

Kite And Wind will probably be another of one of those Twins songs that will sound so beautiful on CD, yet falls apart during live performances. No one can fix that flaw other than Charlene though.

Quite frankly, I think Gillian is more relaxed with anyone other than Charlene during interviews. Isabella, Yumiko, Wilson, Kenny, Steven, Stephen, Yennis, Joey, Hins, Nicholas, <--- you name it. Any of these people are considerate enough towards Gillian that they don't keep talking and talking during interviews and leaving no time for her, unlike Charlene, despite that she should be the one who's most considerate to her.

Yes, for something that EEG has decided, they will give FULL support on it. EEG usually hands over the best of the lyrics/melodies to their newcomers, but they do slack off after that artiste has been acknowledged to be very popular. I swear, if Gillian gets to go solo and they choose songs that actually suit Gillian such as songs with rollercoaster emotions and different pitches, Gillian will rock! It's going to be really hard for her at the beginning with the previous criticisms of Twins as a whole, but I have confidence that she'll make it.

Of course, it's up to Gillian again to take the harder path first, but this time I won't mind because taking on singing before acting is actually better under different circumstances. It's already obvious that Charlene will do well in her acting ways, but since Gillian can't come into conflict with Charlene, she'll test out how singing will go for one half of Twins. I'm not sure if they will switch around afterwards though; could Gillian and Charlene really make an exception for the unstated rule of how EEG artistes just focus on one side of their careers mainly? It's like how Isabella's persisting on keeping acting and singing up for her career at the same time, but it seems like there's the force pulling her towards acting more, in my opinion anyway .

There seems to be many signs and hints at Gillian = singing, and Charlene = acting; there just are. It may not be a complete bright outlook, but it does seem like that's what's happening. 1) Regarding of how Charlene couldn't make it to the different awards ceremonies because of her film? Well, according to the Twins Thailand Fanclub, it's actually quite relaxing filming 'Delusional' for Charlene because they just film a few scenes each day. Back then, Charlene would even make time to go to the promotional events for House Of Fury in various places of Mainland even when she was filming another film at the time, and Charlene wasn't one of the main characters either. So it's not that convincing to me of how she misses out the awards shows and live singing performances which are directly related to her as a member of Twins, yet she used to even rush to a film promotion that she was only guest-starring for to uphold the title of Twins. EEG's letting loose on that part, aren't they? Which makes it very suspicious. 2) Of how Gillian is finally receiving a tragic romantic role to act in? After anticipating for one for so long? It's also a role in a series which means more time to act as that character in. It makes me feel like it's a gift to fulfill Gillian's longing wish in the acting part of her career. Then as her wish came true, off to singing she goes.3) Isabella's moving onto Steven to be her partner on-screen. As we know, Kenny and Isabella has been the on-screen couple ever since Kenny went solo, but I'd imagine the whole scenery would be different if Gillian came into the picture as a solo artiste? EEG loves pairing their artistes up, so there has to be someone for Gillian. I don't think EEG would bring Gillian up with Steven, and Kenny actually started out with Gillian as his partner first and with their duet? I have a feeling we'll be seeing more of Kenny and Gillian together in the future. If Charlene were to edge over to films, then she wouldn't need a partner. Ah.... hehe, just my weird theories and thoughts; they're all just my personal analyses, so just don't pay attention to it if anyone happens to disagree.

If Gillian and Charlene do switch around with each other afterwards, then I've gotta say that a singer stepping foot into a film is much more easier than an actress trying to step foot back into a song, regardless of who the person is. My guess is if Gillian and Charlene go their separate paths later on, then Gillian will probably do some socializing acting here and there afterwards while Charlene may do some socializing singing with this and that, unless that one film or that one song that they do become a big hit. Well, focusing on just one part of a career has its qualities and disqualities. Focusing on both acting and singing brings more publicity, but it's harder on the artiste to find time to sharpen the skills for both jobs; whereas, focusing on one thing, like Joey is, could bring great skills and techniques towards that one thing, and you'll be recognized for that.

To my surprise, opinions of some HK people did change after the VCD/DVD of the 2006 concert came out. It's mainly the people who aren't Twins fans in particular. I was checking through an HK discussion forum, and there was a poll set up regarding who sang better during the 2006 concert of Twins. To my surprise, more than half the votes went to Gillian! Seriously, that forum was one of which the majority used to claim of how Gillian's voice is so weak when compared to Charlene's loud voice, but the outcomes were very different this time. There were some comments by some people regarding that they've always thought Charlene was the better and louder singer, but this time, Gillian was seriously better and improved way more. Gillian just has to keep up her improvements and hard work, and she'll be able to erase a lot of the criticisms placed on her!

Sorry if i offended anyone here..
But i really didnt see the part in saying gillian sings better than charlene..

Personally, i watched the concert they held this year earlier on.
I mean, its good that they didnt went out of tune for the songs though they were weak actually. And the part on their solo, i dont really like both solo's parts..
Gillian's was abit funny in the sense that she didnt really hit someof the bad guys and the guys fell off while charlene's,alittle boring cause there's nothing but singing...

Both arent of a very good singer actally. Yes, this is true. I guess no one would rebute on this. As for who sings better, i think different ppl see diff ways. I didnt see anthing wrong with charlene's voice. Alright, she was loud. And the part that she cant go high pitch is erm abit wrong? she can isnt it.Like the song < Duijia, both can barely sang the high note part, at least, they are considered weak.Just that charlene sang louder, making it more obviuos while gillian, softer in order for her no need to strain her voice to reach, which will be much easier.... Everysong, if gillian has the high part, she has it too. She could manage as much as gillian could. Just that normally, since she has a much lower pitch, she sings it her way. Thats her character just like how elle was in S.H.E, you couldnt say that just because hebe and selina sang the high notes, they are better than elle cux elle's part on low pitch was equally hard.


ANyway, is gillian in any movie nowadays? heehee Living in singapore is boring cux there are not much of twins news here.... There's more of artiste like Jay..SHE..etc

Of course each person has his/her own opinions, so I'm not going try to give much convincing towards you. There is one thing that I must point out about your comment which is the high pitches issue, asillysaint has made it very clear with her observations about Charlene's problem with her high pitches. Sure Twins share the high pitched parts in their songs, on CD that is. During the concert, you can tell that the outcome of Charlene's voice is very different than how the high pitches are supposed to go. You can't really compare Twins with S.H.E. because for S.H.E., I think they specially designed their parts to be that way, for each of their members to sing what she is capable of. Twins, on the other hand, sing similar pitches on CD, but Charlene's live performances on high pitches are a different story. From my knowledge of singing, singing louder actually makes it more easier to strain the voice than singing softer since singing softer would mean you're compressing down your voice; therefore, not being able to strain it as good as you can.

For this year, Gillian only has one film out, which is called, "49 Days", co-starring with Stephen Fung. She's currently filming a series called, "Flying Fox And The Snowy Mountain"; no films at the moment for her this year.

oh hi singaporean here too
i don't think u have enough... wad is that word? i dunno... "rights" to say that gillian have an advantage while singing the high part cos her voice is not as strong blah blah blah. it was just charlene was shouting into the mike like heavy metal music that make us think that gillian is soft, she can be lood if she wants to and all gillian fans in this thread knows that.
oh ya... you said u watched the concert that they held. did u flew to hk or did u buy the DVD/VCD? i just don't seem to find it. i went to all the ts cd shops around me home but they don't sell it. it was just recently that i see 'the missing piece vol. 1' on the shelves. so i'm really despo here u see. hahas. did u buy it at chinatown or some secluded places? can tell me? thanks.
i really agree with u. everyday in news paper its either korean wave or taiwan news. nowadys thereis the singapore idol, superstar, superhost,campus superstar, superband... erg! i don't like all of them! i have to go online everyday to noe abt twins so irritating. wish they have more hk news in the newspapers n magazines. all of them are so boring. life here is boring as well. study study study.

i didnt say her voice isnt strong but ya,i guess i meant it that way?lolx... eh. ts? i tink they sell those not very good quality's although they are cheap. I guess u can either buy the CD( Music junction?) now or. Import... If u are willing to spend on them, just spend ard $ 50+ and u can get the hongkong version n a poster

yeah...little of hk news and alot on taiwan..

Actually charlene does seem to sing more powerfully. Usually that is seen to be having better singing skills due to the fact that the louder you sing, the more likely you are singing from the diaphram than the throat. Which is a necessary skill in good singing as most of you here would understand. Hence, yes. HK audience are accurate in predicting that Charlene is the one who has better vocals. Note that i said 'predicting'. I don't happen to think that choosing to sing louder in return for cracking tones is a display for good singing.

Realise that music is meant to soothe souls, or even just to send a message to the listeners. This is true for pop and classical alike. Both of the twins are unable to do that. But, Gillian are better here than Charlene. Take Starlight Amusement Park for example, Gillian can tell us she is in love in the song more easily than Charlene. I don't know why. Maybe this song's genre are more suitable to Gillian's sweet voice. Hence Charlene would have done poorer here.

Therefore I conclude that Gillian sings better.

I'm a Singaporean too. Hate studying too. LOL.

singaporean too!! life here is boring boring! well, i heard gill's going to be in a new film with ah sa right? is it confirmed?

That project is actually being held back at the moment by EEG since they couldn't agree on something with the director, so we don't know when or if it's going to go back into production this year.

Well if it does get filmed I want it to be another Gillian and Stephen movie again.. Charlene has to much movies this year... but if she's in the couple should be Gillian and Stephen

this ques is directed at the singaporeans that is in this gillian thread
is it me? or is it that singporeans love gillian more than charlene?
i'm not sure but all my friends seem to llike gillian more as they don't like those act cute and attention grabbing people like *ahem* charlene. dats wad they told me i'm not sure.

Aww, I don't think Char can help that she sings loud. I don't think it's fair to say that Charlene's is the reason why Twins live singing is bad or that she is trying to mask Gill's voice with her own. Char has always sang loud, even when singing solo. I think they are fairly equal in their live singing ability. Really I think some of you are being quite harsh with Charlene. I can understand you want to support Gillian but do you really have to talk about Charlene so much all the time? I don't think it is really fair to label her has an attention hog or to look at her actions and make such a big deal out of nothing i.e. shaking hands with fans. I mean, what's the point? This is a Gillian discussion right? I don't condone people talking about Gillian badly in the Charlene thread, so I don't think it's right to talk about Charlene bad here either. There are other sections of the forum to let your opinion on that be known, I think in a Gillian thread, the thread should be focused on Gillian, and that this discussion on Charlene andn her characteristics are not very relevent =/ Sorry if I offended anybody, I am actually a bit peeved now but I am trying to respond in a sensible manner. Just just...I don't know. I am not trying to be a hypocrite 'cause I realise I wander off topic too...just as a Charlene fan *some* of this negativity makes me sad, cause I came here to discuss Gillian and end up feeling as if I have to defend Charlene against unnessisary comments. I am not gonna do so, but I want to, as I feel some people's comments were rather unjustified. If I mad a topic about Gillian attitude in the Charlene thread, mistaking her quietness for snobbyness, then I bet some Gillian fans would be unnerved too.

Now I forget what I came in here to talk about =/

First of all, I apologize if any of our discussions has made you, being a fan of Charlene's, uncomfortable or offended. I fully understand what you mean about any kind of fan wouldn't like seeing their idol being criticized, but sometimes it is just hard to keep Charlene out of the discussions. They perform together and everything, so I find it hard to not give notice to Charlene at the same time as I'm paying attention to Gillian during their performances, and afterwards, the comments for Charlene just come along while I give my comments for Gillian.

For Charlene's loud singing and various actions, you may be right, but for my own opinion, I do think that she makes the verses where both of them come in together as a competition between them. That's just what I see; Charlene's quite relaxed when singing her own verses or singing alone, but when she's singing together with Gillian, I frequently do see her bending back and forth with her body and forcing herself to bring a powerful performance with her voice with some kind of intention to overpower Gillian. Talking about things about Charlene isn't that irrelevant either because what she does brings either a direct or indirect affect to Gillian as well when they're together. I don't think I'm wrong about my opinions of Charlene, but I will try to keep them to myself more because you're right about how we should mainly just focus on Gillian because this is her thread. The last thing I'd want to see is this thread to turn into a battlefield or another duel between Gillian and Charlene fans.

When Twins both weren't as disbanded, pressured, and divided as today through public competition and labels, Kite and Wind's live performance turned out beautiful, the EEG Party Concert 2003, the concert when Edison and Gillian freely danced monkey style across from each other. Gillian still possesses those pure teary eyes and emotional voice but the comforting Sa then has emphasized much more on volume than quality and emotions now, thus changing the entire song overall.


Hm, Twins could be the exception to the one artist-one career path rule. I guess, both Twins have always been an exception, producing films and releasing albums simultaneously together each year and their careers have only blossomed in both areas. Well, EEG probably won't switch them off that quickly since a widely-accepted decent singer would have to convince the audience with more than one album but if things become rocky for Sa in acting or Gillian doesn't meet up with expectations in the music industry, EEG would probably switch them no matter how short or long of time they had living under the label as an actress or solo singer.


Hm, such thorough and exclusive observations and I as well completely agree with you.

1. It is extremely odd how a film would consume so much time making it impossible for Sa to attend other important events when they've been filming around the same time Gillian filmed "Flying Fox of Snowy Mountain," and that is a period serial, wouldn't that take up much more time considering the chaotic in and out of ancient apparel?
2. Well, let's hope that Gillian enchants every crowd and audience with her CLS tears and death, this won't be her last love tragedy role due to overwhelming demand and success.
3. Hm, most likely true. The two individuals from disbanded duos could pair up in advancing singing careers.


Yeah, I prefer Gillian beginning her solo career as a singer too but PLEASE not only in the HK-Cantonese Market but the Asia- Mandarin Market as well. EEG really needs to begin promoting their artists outside of HK; the only ones who have released Mandarin albums are Nic and Joey, which accounts for half of their overall success. HK is not where it used to stand, being famous in HK only won't get one too far anymore. Look how much success Twins received when they released "Trainee Cupid", remarkable sales like that won't ever be achieved in HK. So unless HK decides to promote Gillian in a solo Mandarin album, I think films have a better advantage at a more international level.

Haha. That's nice how some people finally realize what true singing is.


Yes, I agree with Little_Purple_Bell, Twins are not designed like S.H.E. Both Gillian and Sa sing on exactly the same notes even if Gillian has the sweeter voice and Sa has the deeper voice, they both meet in the middle. In S.H.E., Selina was specifically chosen to sing the highest parts, Ella- the lowest, and Hebe neutralized all of their voices together by singing the normal-middle notes.

As different opinions people may have but like I've stated again, you can't stretch the bar of singing too far, bad singing is bad singing, there are no loose ambiguous ends.

Here is to clarify: In music, the most basic notes are Do Re Mi Fa So La Ti Do, everyone is familiar with those correct? Do is the lowest note and the other Do to the right is supposedly the highest in this set of notes. So here goes:

DO--Highest
TI
LA--This is the place where both Twins sing their notes in CDs. This is also where Gillian sang her high notes live.
SO--But this is where Gillian evidently sang in Disgrace, the only song her voice couldn't reach.
FA
MI--This is where Sa sings her notes live.
RE
DO--Lowest

If Sa can't even sing the correct notes live then the CD versions are useless. Bad singers are singers who sound good on CDs but negatively different live and that happens to be the case for Sa. That was also what Gillian experienced for a period of time. Both Twins have been in the music industry for half a decade now, they should at least know how to sing their notes correctly, not dodging them and especially when Twins songs aren't considered that difficult to sing in the first place. Gillian has made huge improvements but sadly, Sa has sort of regressed for whatever reason that was but the Twins 2006 Concert certainly wasn't Sa's best.

There is a difference between singing powerfully and loudly. If Sa really did learn how to use her diaphragm, then she should be able to regulate her respiration smoothly and not visibly hesitate with breathless gulps.

Hm, wouldn't we all believe that since Sa has always been known as the more bubbly one, since Starlight Amusement Park was such a cheerful song, Sa would actually perform it better than Gillian?

But yes, I do agree with you.

I as well understand that this is a Gillian thread but I'm analyzing the Twins Concert 2006 so of course it involves both Twins and it seems like no matter which ever thread, if Sa is mentioned in any disfavored way, someone always has something to say about that, Gillian, likewise.

There is a difference between Sa's performances with Gillian and her solo performances. The reason why I stated above that it seems like Sa tends to force out her voice in volume when performing with Gillian live is because clearly, when Sa performs solo, her voice is strong and precise in volume thus singing live quite well like "Next Stop Diva" during the Shanghai Concert last year but whenever she joins in with Gillian in Twins songs, she does exert extra intensity to equalize or overpower Gillian's voice and carried on that effect in her solos in the Twins 2006 Concert, that's why even when she performed her solos, the outcome still wasn't that great. Just recently, Sa has adopted this increasing volume technique that doesn't always imply good singing.

When referring to this concert, I think a lot of Sa fans would love to believe that I'm trying to show my support towards Gillian by pointing out Sa's weaknesses BUT please understand, I'm not. Exposing Sa's weaknesses certainly will not make Gillian a better singer. I'm just sharing and expressing what I saw and heard from the concert.

Now if you opened up a thread to discuss about Gillian's quiet behavior as being snobby, that's quite different from the discussion we're exchanging here because 1. The concert plus several other live events have shown Sa rushing to others and *ahem* doing things that aren't even necessary to stir up the crowd so I guess opinions do vary among fans, I see that as "okay, why?" and you perceive it as "oh, how cute" . But no one has seen Gillian being quiet and shunning people away just because she believed herself to be suprior, have we? Perhaps like other Sa fans have claimed, that's her bubbly nature? Well, attention seekers are traits of personalities too aren't they? 2. When did quiet behaviors define snobby attitudes? Some introverts happen to be the nicest people. I'm not saying that you think Gillian is snobby due to her quiet behavior but I'm just saying how absurd some threads really are. Gillian isn't even that quiet either.

I don't want to further argue either because yes, it is pointless but I think a lot of the things stated here about Sa aren't entirely biased or negative. Everything someone mentions here on this thread about Sa somehow relates to an actual event or incident, it's not like we're all of a sudden out of nowhere labelling Sa into being something that is totally out of the ordinary. If we did, wouldn't we be chit chatting about how attention seeking Sa desperately was by showing off her body like that at the concert? Of course not, if Sa feels comfortable with her body then go for it.

And I've stated several times already, everyone can have different opinions, but when it comes to singing, there's not much sugar coding, exceptions, and interpretations.

I'm not here to convince anyone to believing in what I believe but at the same time, a lot of things I feel need clarification.

And if anyone tries to debate about this, then my discussion ends here because I hate going around in circles. If Sa's performance in Twins 2006 Concert wasn't enough to obviously notice that yeah, perhaps Sa does fall behind Gillian in singing then any more explaining from me won't do you any good.

That's all. '

umm...can does anyone have clips of gillian with sad expressions? i'm attempting to make an mv but don't have enough clips of her :/
if anyone could post or send me some, it'd be great :]

^I never said Gillian was snobby. I don't think she is. I only mentioned it because it's one way her behavior has been interpreted by various individuals that I too find unfair and untrue. As most Gillian fans would be upset with interpretation, that's why I mentioned it because I think most Sa fan's would be offended or upset by some of the interpretations made on Gillian's personality.

I understand that you guys are discussing the concert. And that's fine. But I still feel as if the comparison's and not-so-nice remarks could be kept to a minimum. I would feel the same way if the same conversation happened in reverse in the Charlene thread. We all have different opinions and I must admit mine are a lot different from most of the opinions expressed recently, but...I don't know. I am just uncomfortable, really, with some of the discussion going on because I want to argue my own person view, but I know that it would just start a battle and I don't want that, plus me defending Charlene would be rather off topic, right? So it kind of puts me and maybe other Sa fans in a frustrating position.

Anyway, I am sorry to be off topic and I am not trying to argue, I am just making a request on behave of some Sa fans It's okay if you don't follow it, I am not expecting anyone too anyway, you guys are obviously much more dedicated Gillian fans than I am and there must be some point you guys are trying to make by talking about Sa here that I just am, to be quite frank, not seeing as you all do. It's okay. I just wish people would focus on the positive's rather than the negatives though =/ I am NOT saying that you guys are full of doom-and-gloom and mean things to say, just a lot of things spoken here recently are rather critical, neh? ^___^

ok... so u expect us to be less "doom-and-gloom" and talk as if nothing bad is happening to gillian right? So u want us to everyday log onto the internet and write something in this thread that is less gloomy like
1) oh gillian is sooooo cute!
2) oh gillian is so pretty!
3) oh gillian is so nice!
4) oh gillian is sooooo gorgeous!
5) oh gillian is absolutely stunning!
sorry, this gillian thread does not work like the above, maybe other gillian thread that u hav visited last time is this idiotic enough to fill up the thread with all this nonsense (but i completely agree that gillian is cute pretty nice gorgeous stunning heehee) but things are different here.
awww admit it. u ARE a charlene fan. if u are so uncomfortable in this "charlene make things bad for gillian" issue that we are discussing here, pls stop infiltering OUR gillian thread, cos this issue is going to continue as long as EEG continues to be bias against gillian like the current circumstances. get my hint?

You really didn't have to be so rude =/

Anyway, no, I do not expect any of you to only talk about happy, fluffy things about how cute Gillian is. I do enjoy intelligent conversations too, you know. But, as I said countless times before and I am sure you are all getting tired of it, I don't think the FOCUS should be on negative aspects of Charlene's character as SOME conversations have been. I do realise that some of you had a point to make but honestly, enough is enough, does it really need to be the main topic of discussion? I don't mind it when you comment on something to support the point you are trying to make about GILLIAN and her treatment, but do you really need to write an 1000 something word essay about Charlene's behavior and your interpretation of it? Because that to me is over the top.

Yes I AM a Charlene fan and I have never failed to make that clear. But I am also a Gillian fan and moreover a TWINS fan. That is why I come to this thread, to support Gillian. Not to start arguements (and I am mighty sorry I started this one, it wasn't intended) but to talk about Gillian. And so I am sorry I made this topic, I was just frustrated. And I am SORRY to disturb YOUR thread, but if this is really how this thread works then maybe I won't be a part of it. I enjoied some of the fans enthusiasm for Gillian here and it will be missed.

Edit: I want to apologise if I myself came out rude, I was frustrated (and rushed) when I wrote the message above. If you guy's don't want me here, I will leave. I shouldn't try to push my feelings or dictate my thoughts on you all. I guess we don't see things eye to eye, and thats fine, but if things are going to get any messier than this then I would rather leave and spare you all the trouble and annoyance.