Twins new Mandarin Album name is: Around the World with 80 Dollars.

Hm, seemed like Sa had a Filipino accent with her um can't find the exact word but whiny/sweet-like voice? Both were cute though.

I think Gillian's step backwards, missing the kiss totally made my day yesterday while watching the short clip. Gillian's facial reaction seemed as if the cheek pecks were a surprise but because Sa had already demonstrated appropriate cultural manners, Gillian just followed along but she wasn't that comfortable with the whole ordeal though.

Now that you've mentioned it, yes, those two presenters are the Moffat Twins. I'm quite surprised that the Moffat Twins were actually invited to be part of this award show when they practically disappeared from mainstream America. But I have read news that the original family band disbanded thus leaving only the two twins as a music pair but I haven't heard much about them lately. Well, I heard one of their most recent song but I didn't think their comeback was that successful unless it was a big hit in the East Coast but seems like the West Coast has already forgotten them.

Doesn't Gillian look awesome? I was happy that at least this commercial was quite fair with the scenes.

Bummer. I think I already erased it off my computer.

I noticed that Hover Bird somehow equalized both Twins' voices in comparison to a lot of the songs from Trainee Cupid that geared towards Sa's voice a bit more. And with Hover Bird, you can clearly hear that Gillian's voice is settled in the left side while Sa's is the right.

Bummer. It's a rar file; I don't have the program. Just from reading your response, I'm glad that Sa has lowered her volume a bit and shifted her focus on the notes instead. I guess someone must have noticed that singing too loudly out of tune style of Sa's too; thus, advised Sa to change her live singing approach. And some fans claim us as over-exaggerating or just picking on Sa. If the out of tune loud singing was considered singing then perhaps Sa wouldn't have changed that style into a more softer live performance now as part of her improving weaknesses.


Technically, Twins have only debuted in the Mandarin market last year so in the Mandarin industry, Twins do still have room for development together as a pair. As for HK, Twins have extended their partnership for almost 5-6 years now with minor improvements. I'm pretty sure that Twins won't last as long in the Mandarin market as they did in mainstream HK because there's a whole lot more competition in the Mandarin market that will easily point out the weaknesses of Twins. Besides, Twins won't flood the Mandarin market with 3 albums per year anyways so Twins are still a refreshing sensation.


Gillian does enjoy throwing in jokes here and there too but rarely does she ever have an opportunity to show her silly and lovable side. That was extremely cute of Gillian by ending with "So fake!"


Yeah, since all of the presenters already sort of knew the results, they specifically assigned the Moffat Twins as the award presenters for Twins and made that cute ironic speech of not to mention the word Twins anymore.

You're so funny. Do inform me when you fly out to HK because I'll tag along to replace all of Gillian's Cargo/Khaki pants with plenty of Jeans. And perhaps spook Mani out a bit too; wouldn't want to waste our trip now would we?

I think it is better when there are other people involved in an event other than Twins. It seems like the extra person/people could help equalize thing a little. For the Budweiser commerical, it was pretty equal between all the EEG stars. Everyone had a solo shot, and I loved that close up shot at Gillian!!!

Yeah, there are some songs of Twins where the voices of Gillian and Charlene are noticeably settled individually in among the two speakers. I guess it's just the different ways between the different producers of the songs. Speaking of 'Trainee Cupid',during the end of the song, Gillian sang a whole verse by herself, right? The verse of 'I want to ask of how to train a trainee cupid; when can the one I love stop being so slow?.......' near the end. I still can't figure it out because I think it's just Gillian because that particular verse sounded so soft, but then I feel like I do hear Charlene in there. But they sing the verse together during live performances.

Yep, now they can see that we weren't picking on Charlene nor just trying to find flaws of her, but we're actually stating an actual problem and weakness of hers out. As you've said, obviously someone has noticed Charlene's ways of altering the notes and volume and suggested the problem to her, and now she's actually correcting herself and on her way for more improvements. If no one by her side thought it was a real problem, then she wouldn't have changed her ways of performing.

That's right; Twins do release at least 2 - 3 albums a year in HK, and they're basically on a 1 per year plan in the Mandarin market. I wonder if it's possible for them to split in HK, but stick together for a bit more in the Mandarin market? Though I highly doubt it since if they disband, then it would be official throughout all the areas. It still may be easier for them if they stick together a bit longer, at least until Mainland can distinguish the two. Mainland didn't even take time to notice who's who from Twins yet. Some of the award ceremonies that Gillian went alone in that still had 'Twins' printed out on the screen stating the performer even when she was there alone. We were actually lucky at the other ones where they wrote, 'Ah Gil'. Geez, is 'Gillian Chung' / 'Zhong Xin Tong' really that hard for Mainland people to say or write? Gosh, then they should've included a solo of each in the Mandarin album as well. What's going to happen with them in Mandarin market when they really do disband? They should've done more preparation. The standards in Mainland are definitely higher than how they are in HK. Most artistes from Mainland have actually done a series of training with their vocals before jumping into the entertainment industry.

Good idea of re-arranging Gillian's wardrobe as well!! Love to see her in more jeans! Gillian will be in for a whole new look after we're done with her wardrobe and accessories. We could spook Mani out, but better yet we should just pull her to the airport with us and put her on a plane back to US so she can do more of her 'studying' while Gillian can have some peace and quiet with some equality in her life. Gotta make every good deed come true during our worthy trip.

Has anyone seen the MV of 'Transformation Party' yet? It was a pretty good one. It's in a higher quality than any of Twins' recent HK MVs. The plot was cute, and it does describe very well of how the moods of students are when they plan of what they're going to do after that dismissal bell rings in the classroom, both the song and the MV. Gillian actually looked more fresh and clear while she was preparing for the party than when she was actually at the party. The make-up on her looked a bit heavy. Actually, some of the other girls at the party seemed to have an even more trendy transformation than Twins. The MV was close to being equal with scenes; Gillian slightly had a few more close-up solo shots than Charlene, but when Twins were filmed together in one shot, Charlene mostly always stands a bit closer to camera or has her arm out infront of Gillian, so Gillian often looks like she's hiding behind Charlene or being covered up.

i've seen the "transformation party" mv and i quite enjoyed it. xD the props in the mv were really cute! i love all the furnitures in the room that twins were in. hehe. i agree with you on the part about twins' wardrobe and hairstyle. their transformation wasn't anything that special compared to the others, and same goes for their hair. lol. although gillian's makeup was a bit strong (especially around her eye), it did make her eye stand out more. well to me at least. charlene's eyes also look more illuminated. x] for some reason when i watched the mv, they always seem to show charlene .1 seconds more than gillian for each shot. or maybe that's just a psychological problem. ahah. errmm.. but yea, they had a fair amount of screening time, unlike "half girl half student", gosh the distribution of scenes pissed me off so badly! they didn't even try to make it seem like gillian had just as much scenes as charlene.

btw, the rar. clip of twins singing "hover bird" is password encrypted. o_O lol.
thanks for sharing though! hehe. x] (i was kinda hoping for more solos from gillian, but i guess twins' performances are good too. lol)

Yeah, their wardrobe was plain compared to the trendy outfits of the other girls. I liked the parts in their dressing room (?) more than the actual party. It just felt more casual, cute, and more connected to reality to me. I didn't like Gillian's make-up; it was really heavy. I think Gillian is the type whose face stands out prettier with less make-up. She still looks pretty, but would be better with lighter make-up.

It may be a psychological problem, just as I think I have a psycological problem when seeing this MV as well. I somehow always see Charlene's arm sticking out and blocking Gillian during their shots together. That most likely isn't the case, and probably just how Charlene was positioned, but I always see it that way, and it's starting to get on my nerves. It's like why can't Gillian stand closer to the camera for some shots so I don't have to feel like I'm going wacko or complainin for no good reason? I somehow felt like there were more solo close up shots for Gillian than there was for Charlene. The way I saw the MV, there were more solo shots of Gillian, but Gillian's in the far back during Twins' shots. Some MVs, I don't even want to look at. They film the MV so that Gillian's merely there to complete the title of Twins.

Oh, oops! I had forgotten to post the password up! The password is: www.twinsfans.net/bbs .

I didn't really like the mv as much, it seemed like they were going back to the 'cute' image. And yeah, I agree too that it seemed like the background people were more trendy than Twins were. I think that this mv would be better if it actually had Twins dancing more. Its a party yet most shots of them at the party was singing into the microphone, it would have been better if they danced a bit more, well to me anyways. Also, someone from TC said that in the mv, Gillian looked white, if I'm correct, he/she means caucasian, then yes, I agree with that too. In one of the pictures that I saw before the mv was out, she already looked a bit caucasian in it and now after the mv, the parts after the transformation, Gillian looked caucasian. And I think the what made her look caucasian was her eye makeup and the lighting of the mv, seeing how they made both Twins look pretty white there, but Gillian's features made her look like she was caucasian.

Lol. And about that 'psychological problem' of yours, I think it applies to everyone. If we like someone, then we tend to want to see more of them, thus thinking that they aren't shown as much, even if its true.

Also, here's a clearer video version of Gillian singing Hover Bird solo.
Hover Bird
And here's a youtube link too. =D
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g-e8z3ST9pE
Some parts of the video has been cut off, so they didnt show her singing the full song, when she did in the audio and other video version.

And about Twins performing Kindergarten together, after watching the video, Charlene's voice did sound much more softer than before, and after Charlene sang softer, their voice became more in sync with each other compared to how they usually sound. Because before, mostly when you hear them singing together, you can usually hear Charlene's voice dominating it much more, but here, you can hear both of them, at some points maybe one's voice dominated, but mostly it seemed like they were in sync. Well, again, it seemed like it to me.

*Edit:
Hehe, also, here's a funny picture of Gillian being a 'ghost'.



Also, does anyone know why Twins didn't sing at the MTV Asia Awards? Since they won the award for HK, I thought that they would sing, but I havent seen a video of them singing. And Jolin Tsai won an award for style yet she got to perform.

So
i noticed this might be a bit slow but i just wanted to be 100% sure....
r the twins gonna break up ...???
if so when???
i was told at the end of the year was their last concert or sumthing...
it's gonna be soo sad that they're gonna break up
but i'll still love them for ever!!! hehe i think i might foto copi this to char's forum as well since i love them both!!

Gillian's beauty shines the most at closeup shots but Gillian would have looked even better with a change of hairdo. Hm, I think I'm going to email EEG about that because it's been bugging me like crazy.


Yeah, it sounded like Gillian sang the beginning of the verse solo because there were no other voices echoing in the background and then Sa joined in later as you can hear bits and pieces of Sa's voice surfacing along Gillian's. At times, both Twins do sing too softly in Mandarin, it's quite difficult to distinguish their voices apart but because Gillian's voice is much clearer and exact on pronunciation, that's the most visible way to tell their voices apart.


Seriously. When we state our opinions, assertions, or affirmations, we always have an actual prop to support our observations so I still don't understand why fans would make such allegations that we're just pointing fingers at Sa and that our claims are false or invalid. At the moment, I think that as fans, we should discuss both the current negatives and positives because Twins are in a different situation now in comparison to years ago. To clarify misperceptions, fans on this thread do not blindly praise Gillian and expose Sa's weaknesses. If the other fans have completely read and comprehended our discussions, they would see that as much as Sa needs to improve on her high notes, Gillian needs to strengthen her notes. But I guess fans become a bit irritated and offensive when I mention something like, I believe Gillian is the better singer of the two despite both of their different weaknesses.

But anyways, Sa has slowly changed her live singing technique so it just comes to show that perhaps her live singing in previous events weren't supposed to turn out that way. As for Gillian, I think Gillian has always been more on target with the overall live performances and has only grown in improvement.


Yeah and when the hosts announce the names, they still say "Twins." Well, at least the Mainland fans are accepting Gillian's solo performances. I mean, you would think that since Twins are still considered a closely knitted pair in Mainland, fans would oppose to this solo attendance but nope, everyone seems to enjoy it as much as we do. I think the majority of disbanded Twins fans do reside in HK that's probably why Gillian hasn't been scheduled to perform live solo nor with Kenny for their duet or else there would be an uproar from Sa fans why Sa wasn't included even though it was already clearly reported that Sa was busy filming. Likewise if Sa was to perform solo in HK without Gillian; chaos would likely occur and further divide both Twins.


Haha. Um, since we probably don't have enough cash to purchase Mani an airplane ticket, why don't we um reserve an extremely special spot for her next to my little cute puppy, Oreo, in the other portion of the plane. Wah, I'm so mean!

Perhaps Sa should take the initiative and force some jeans on Gillian.


Um, the music video was more invested than the HK ones for sure but the same thing that kept bothering me was Gillian's hair. I don't think I've ever seen Gillian in two cute ponytails like Sa before unless I have forgotten but I thought the idea of having both Twins sharing the same hairstyle would be cute, especially in two cute rolls of hair putting makeup on each other. I guess, I'll be preparing myself of seeing Gillian in nothing but this ugly hairstyle for the rest of the promotions. Seriously, this ugly tied back curly ponytail has reduced Gillian's beauty by 25% lol.


Yeah. The majority of Twins' music videos, it's never really fair for Gillian but I guess like always, that is such a small issue to *ahem* certain fans. I guess, I'm fine with a few music videos focusing more on one Twin than the other but if the ratio increases up to half or more, there's definitely a problem there.

Everyone had a better hair style than Gillian! Hm, both the makeup and wardrobe were nothing special.

Hm, I don't think it's really a psychological matter. I mean, the music video is pretty self-explanatory and concrete enough to measure out who has more and longer scenes.

When shooting for a commercial, music video, or just overall anything, there are so many cameras from every angle, it wouldn't matter if Sa was closer to this camera more than Gillian because Gillian would be standing closer to another camera in comparison to Sa. In the end, it all comes down to cutting and editing from all of the gathered footage of each camera used. It's really up to the production crew how they wish for the music video to result into and who to focus more. Everything is measured and timed, trust me. They know exactly what they're doing. It's not like Ooopps, we happened to accidently have more and longer scenes of this individual versus the other; it's all planned. The the music video is presented to the manager or some authority of Twins for reviews, critiques, and analysis. Then modifications and alterations are made to the music video accordingly to how the company wants the music video to turn out. The production crew re-presents the revised versions to the managers for as many times as it takes for the managers to be satisified then finalization is achieved. And you (whoever you are that believes this to be a small unbiased issue) seriously are trying to tell me that throughout this whole entire long process of revision, someone didn't notice that one Twin had more screen time than the other?? Hm, they didn't call these people professionals for no reason.

How do I know? Hm, I think all of us pretty much are acquainted with people who are involved in every type of industry or at least I have too many relatives lol.

Gillian does appear mixed doesn't she? But nonetheless, still pretty but could have been better with the change of hair lol.

Hm, I want to see more of Gillian but if I don't, then I would request to see both Gillian and Sa equally at least.

Thanks for the clearer version of Gillian's performance. Not only is the image much clearer, the audio is also very clear too and seems like Gillian's peformance sounded better in comparison to the previous clips.

Um, I suppose it was a good idea that Twins didn't perform live. I mean, Lee Hom, Jolin, and the rest of the gang of real singers would have placed both Twins in an awkward position.

Haha. Gillian is so cute as a ghost.

Twins splitting hasn't been confirmed so rest assure for now until EEG feels like each Twin is ready, I guess.

Is it just me or AF hasn't been running smoothly lately? It takes forever to enter the forum and to make a post plus I can't see who's online or surfing at the bottom of the page anymore??

Edison&Gillian: My First Love: SkiPpi3<3!

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This is one of the most beautiful music videos I have ever seen. The author is no other than SkiPpi3. I am signing up to be her apprentice lol.

SkiPpi3's lovely creation actually made me go in tears. I just overall absolutely love this production. Man, I need to seriously enhance my skills now too. I should go out to purchase new and better programs but perhaps after Finals. I'm stuck in the middle of difficult Finals. Bummer! But can't wait until Summer. That is when I'll be investing my time into advancing my skills but SkiPpi3 is the best! SkiPpi3 totally ROCKS! It's nice to have someone like SkiPpi3 up onboard of the EG cruise ship.

I'm usually not this crazy about anything but check it out! It deserves more than 5 stars lol! Sorry, I just really felt the urge to multiply the font link lol!

SkiPpi3<3!

That's a nice music video, she manage to cut Charlene out, except for one scene. When I watch it the second time, I notice there's a drawing of Gil, did she draw that, and added it on? It's pretty neat how she made the boxes and different things happening in each box. Nice job.

I think Gillian looks really nice in closeup shots and when she has little make-up like Little_Purple_Bell said. I had always thought when she was having heavy make up, it doesn't enhant her beauty as much, especially with eyeliners. For some reason, it makes her eyes look smaller instead of bigger, maybe it's just me..


I agree with you. If we don't compare how Charlene is better treated in Twins (in a civilized and reasonable way), we can't really prove this issue as an issue. Bringing other singers wouldn't help because they are not as closely associated with Gillian or in Twins, so that would be more invalid. I think pointing out their faults and flaws is a good thing unless it's ridiculous and without a particular reason or evidence. I mean, we do praise Gillian alot and that's because we are her fans and we, of course, feels that she improved, but we still point out flaws of hers.

E.g. Like her hairstyle, how we say how bad it looks. Some fans would/might take it as an insult if we were saying something like about another celebrity. I guess it depends on how sensitive fans are to issues regarding the celebrity they like.


Gillian had actually had been in two ponytails before but that's pretty long ago. I remember she tied her hair like that when they did a phootshoot in student uniforms and I think another time wearing a pink Japanese Kimono. I think Gillian looks really cute when her hair is like that!! Too bad I don't have any of those pictures..I'll post them if I find it.

It really frustrates me when I hear Charlene fans complain when Gillian just gets little of the exposure she deserves, meaning Charlene gets less of it..(not saying that Charlene doesn't deserve them, if fans who read this misunderstands) I mean what about all these years that Gillian has to endure?? If they can call that unfair, I wonder what we should call the companies' bias treatment towards Gillian....


I think professionals should stand strong on what they believe would best protray the meaning behind their works. It just sad to see how they have no say in these things and have to bent their rules just to meet expectations of people who has more power than them.

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Thanks for sharing the MV of EG!! The preview looks pretty good!! I'm looking forward to her whole MV!! I wonder how she is able to do that with the boxes..so cool! Glad we have so much talented EG fans..lolx...can help others expand their imagination or revive their "love" for EG.

Emailing EEG could work since sometimes things do get better after we express our opinions out to them. As egotistical as EEG is, they still have to pay some certain attention to what the audience/fans say since we're the ones supporting them, aren't we? They may not pay a lot of attention because if we actually had our opinions put into action, there'd be no biased issues right now. But emailing them about Gillian's hairstyle shouldn't be that big of a problem. Or are they waiting for some big event where Gillian appears in an all new style, hairstyle, wardrobe, and all?

Yeah, their cantonese singing is distinct from each other's as of a snap, but there are some mix ups when it's the really soft singing. It's also because in most of their mandarin songs, they sing most of the verses together. Twins have another song out; it has the same name as their album. This song is okay; it's another fast and upbeat song, but the lyrics are kinda weird. It sounds pretty much like an imaginative girl thinking she can go anywhere and buy anything with the eighty bucks that she has in her hand and not care about anything happening all around. A thing that I did notice about this song is this song was mostly geared towards Charlene's voice more throughout the song, but when somehow it was suddenly switched to being geared towards Gillian's voice during the climax of the song and then it was equalized with both voices as the song came back to its chorus and ended off.

Twins - 八十塊環游世界
http://rapidshare.de/files/19982399/Around...ollars.wma.html


I finally saw the whole performance of 'Kindergarten' and the performance of 'Hover Bird' during that last event. Hehe, I think Gillian got a little too used to singing 'Hover Bird' alone; she started singing during the beginning of the second half of the song when Charlene was supposed to do that alone. Well, Gillian really has perfected on singing 'Hover Bird'; her notes were beautiful and high. She actually really covered up Charlene's voice during this performance, without actually trying. It sounded like Gillian was singing it alone with a background echo. Anyway, I can say that this performance of 'Hover Bird' for Gillian was flawless. Charlene's performance wasn't bad either, just judging from the second verse that she sang alone in; one thing that still bugs me is her altering the lyrics. However, for 'Kindergarten', the first half of the song really sounded better than the second half on Charlene's part. I don't have much to judge sole for Gillian in the second half since she only had one line that she sang alone in. It felt like Charlene couldn't quite hold on to her grasp of keeping the right notes so she couldn't help but to once again lower the notes during the second half of 'Kindergarten'. She kept her volume down, but her notes were altered to a lower key.

Yes, I think it is absolutely necessary for us to state both positives and negatives of our idol while we discuss. It would really be pointless if we just came in here to say how everything of Gillian is absolutely great, etc. We should talk about what Gillian did improve on and what she should work at next. In the recent cases, it's like how we felt that she should work on the strength of her notes and try to achieve vibratos as her next goal. No one can blame us for praising her though; that's why we consider ourselves as fans of hers! Sometimes I don't exactly blame those fans who consider it offensive that we're exposing Charlene's weaknesses since there just are people who get offended right when they see something negative written about their idol that they don't take time to go read what else is written there and why we're writing that. From all our discussions, we always relate to an actual event/performance; it's not like we make it up out of the blues. But some people simply assume that if something that's on the negative side is stated, then the whole reasonings are negative. I think the things we point out about both Gillian and Charlene are quite constructive.


Yep, we can see what HK Charlene fans are capable of doing from the KG/KC incident. If waiting a bit longer for a solo performance of Gillian in HK could avoid her of any more unnecessary threats, then let's wait. I think Twins in general have to wait a bit longer until they fully go individually for most things; let's just hope EEG gives them a nice enough preparation because we really don't want Charlene fans/Gillian fans to be killing each other.

Haha!! You're so mean! But funny! Yep, our budget would be too tight to buy Mani an airline ticket, so I wouldn't mind if we took that into action!

I've noticed that AF hasn't been running smoothly as well. I see all the problems that you see. I wonder if they'll be able to fix it up?

Wow! That's such a great MV! This author is definitely talented, considering she was able to create a girl picture on the screen. I loved how she made the MV into four individual blocks. Her editing of making it seem like Gillian and Edison were the ones holding hands was great as well! I hope her final product comes out soon since this is only a preview.

^Which "Hover Bird" performance are you refering to? I only have their most recent "Kindergarden" performace.

At the same event that Twins sang 'Kindergarten' at, they sang 'Hover Bird' right after it.

woooo skippy used a good choice of song! ;D hehe. I LOVE THAT SONG! xD oh so it WAS only a preview, i thought it was just me. lol. but yea, i can't wait until the finished product! xD it seems like a high quality production. xD woooo go skippie! =D




yea, somehow i liked the scenes that took place in their room more so than the actual party. well maybe that's because when it was the actual party, they focused on the other people as well, making twins have less screening time. well i guess you're right on that part. i've never agreed on twins using heavy makeup, especially the color black. any other color would be better. lol. (or were their eyeshadow black ?_?)

lol. ^5 to our psychological problems! what you've said about mvs that made it seem like gillian didn't even make up twins, reminded me of starlight amusement park. OMG THAT WAS BY FAR THE MOST UNJUST MV I'VE SEEN! the entire MV revolved around charlene. lol. i thought it was really cute and all, BUT STILL COME ON NOW! it is a twins mv, and they did have equal parts in the song. it's just totally unfair. xP now i'm thinking intently for a mv that gillian has more shots in... maybe we'll have to go WAYYYYYY back in the days... or not.

thanks for the pw! =]



there you brought up yet another good point. it did seem like they were returning to their cute image. i mean, they were once again filming about students... i seriously thought that they would get outta that phase. lol. maybe "around the world with 80 dollars" would revolve around a different topic? away from the whole student thought. yea i agree that twins were barely active during the mv. they just ran, sang into the mic, and move around their room. but still i thought the mv was pretty nice, and most definately cute <- a word that i can't stress enough lol. OH maybe that was part of gillian's transformation! to turn caucasian. okay, just ignore me, it's the time of the day where i tend to get a lil crayz. (though it's almost midnight o_O) actually gillian has always look caucasian in some of her earlier pictures as well.. that's why many thought she was mixed. =]

i guess it does apply to everyone, but it can't be that severe! i mean, if gillian had actually been put on the spot for .1 seconds more than charlene i would jump with joy. but i've never seen that happen before. =T (okay maybe one of the new years mv with boyz, if i remembered correctly. lol) but yea, i think for most times, it's just the truth that hurts. T_T



wow you can definately notice the change in charlene's voice. cause usually when they reach the chorus, you can hear her volume turn up a notch. this time is was barely audible. i reckon they did a good job on this! i gotta give gillian a thumbs up for her wonderful performance on the first verse. lol. it was flawless!! but as a whole, they did do a lot better as well. xD but it may be too soft at times during the chorus. lol. charlene still held onto her long notes, which is a thumbsup as well! ;D hehe. yup they were definately more "nsync" (okay bad joke. xP)



0_0 that's a scary picture! lol. i almost got scared to death. haha.

i know! it was sucha bummer! they got the big award but they didn't make a big performance? shoot, that's total bogus! but ahhhh se7en got to perform and so did kangta and vanness! ;D hehe.

Yeah, I'm pretty sure SkiPpi3 added that girl drawing in but the overall result turned out so real. SkiPpi3 has always been a creative artist; all of the real EG Manipulations used in my first MV were a small portion of her art collection.


Yeah, I agree. The bias favoritism is against Gillian and an advantage to Sa when they're both labelled as Twins, not just as EEG female artists along the list like Joey and the rest. Comparisons do bring out differences, which is our main purpose of this entire bias treatment issue. It's really the issue of the different amount and invested promotions each Twins recieve that doesn't equate. How are we supposed to collectively show our hypothesis if no comparisons are being mentioned nor observed? Even general statistical research projects cannot avoid comparisons so unless someone can suggest a better way to point out the differences, I guess comparisons are the most valid method of revealing something at the moment.

When I state my opinions about Sa's singing, I really don't intend on offending any Sa fans nor am I attempting to make Gillian appear better because 1. That is useless. Even if Gillian was labelled the better singer from professional critics, Sa fans would never accept that so what makes me believe my words would change their minds? 2. Singing is singing. It's not that complicated to recognize who performed better.

We don't always praise Gillian. It just so happens that Gillian's most recent projects have been quite interesting and have achieved a certain satisfactory level so there's not much flaws/faults to suggest improvement on.


Really? Weren't Gillian's hair in small buns instead of ponytails?


Well, ever since Gillian Fans have pointed out the bias issue, many other Sa fans believe that by pulling in the same term or situation, it would cancel out the real bias issue towards Gillian but clearly, there is no bias issue on Sa's part. Hm, that sort of bothers me a bit in that fans really are just grabbing anything to conceal away Gillian's bias issue.

Well, bullying others is what EEG does best. I guess, I don't blame these production crew in gearing the music videos towards one Twin more than the other because their main goal is to satisfy their client and get paid for their work not to promote equality.

Yeah. I'm also thankful too that SkiPpi3 is in the process of completing the EG music video. I admire her artistic talent.


I don't think I like this song. Somehow, it doesn't suit Twins' voices. I noticed that too; this song does seem to project Sa's voice a bit more than Gillian's and perhaps, Gillian's voice is just so sweet, it's easily consumed.


Whenever convenient, can you share the link? But no rar files; they don't work for me. Did Gillian show any signs of Ooopps, sorry Sa when she helped sang a portion of Sa's verse? I really want to watch this performance now. Perhaps, Gillian was helping Sa adjust to the notes since Sa's up to date live performances haven't been that firm? Hm, did Gillian alter her notes into a higher key or were they the typical standard notes in the CD version?

I really think that Sa should practice more with the high notes since the majority of the Mandarin songs that have been released are changing Twins' pattern of songs into quite a high batch of notes. I fear Sa won't be able to reach those high notes and break or she might lower the notes but with Gillian grasping the high notes or may even alter them into a higher key, Twins' voices won't synchronize like how it's supposed to. Hm, but I wouldn't mind though. If Sa sang the lower notes and left the higher notes for Gillian, they would somehow synchronize in another accidental style like S.H.E but only if both sustain their volume equally and not a battlefield.

Yes, I believe the majority of discussed topics are constructive but I guess some fans just find it weird and insincere coming out from Gillian fans so they automatically assume that our chats are nothing but negative assertions towards Sa, which may not always be the case.

Gillian has tremendously improved ever since the beginning of this year starting with Twins 2006 Concert up until now. Gillian has only strengthen her weaknesses. She has performed live quite well, has learned how to control her notes in tune more than before, has challenged herself in higher altered notes and achieved them quite well so we as fans cannot wait until Gillian attempts live vibratos and continue to extend her notes.


Well, the thing about the KC and KG incident is: that threat was from one stubborn KC fan, which may or may not even represent all KC fans. There were a lot of surprised KC fans when that incident was reported and blew out into proportions by EEG and their notification to the media. I think either way, both Twins are already bound to comparisons.

Yeah, I hope AF does repair the problem. In most cases, these are signs of a collapsing forum; I hope this forum doesn't encounter any wipe outs or anything of that sort because there's way too much information that will be lost.

I can't wait until I watch the full version of that music video either. Seems like SkiPpi3 is even better at producing music videos than the people EEG hires.

I hope there will be more surprises of songs in their upcoming album that are of higher quality of this song. I think the beat of the song is alright/passable, but the lyrics are just wacko. And to think this is their first plug song from their mandarin album; I wish they chose a different song as their first plug. To me, this song seems unlikely to be getting anywhere high up on the charts.

Sure, here's the link:
http://rapidshare.de/files/19992664/Kinder..._Twins.wmv.html

I don't know why, but recently most of the files shared are in RAR format for some reason. Nope, Gillian didn't do any 'Oops' expressions; she actually looked really natural when singing the verse. I think it's either she was so into the song and so used to starting off that part of the song that she didn't notice her mistake or maybe she really was helping Charlene with the notes. Gillian just kept singing from that verse right on to her own part without stopping. She was also mouthing the lyrics during Charlene's verse at the beginning as well but she remembered not to be singing into the microphone. It would be so amusing if Gillian actually forgot and sang the whole song!

I agree that Charlene should practice her high notes as well, but I actually think the upcoming mandarin songs will be in her favour since they're so 'youthful'. It's like the 'Around The World With Eighty Dollars' song; you could be off the hook if you sang that in a happy and loud tone. Yeah it would turn out to be a messy performance if both altered their notes at the same time but in opposites directions unless as you've said, distribute their parts accordingly to their singing styles as S.H.E. have, but Twins just aren't as cooperative as S.H.E. are. They sing different tones and notes, but they do synchronize in the end. The 2006 concert was more or less a battlefield.

I'm pretty sure it wasn't one stubborn KC fan. Trust me, it's horrible when you see KC fans in a chinese HK forum. KC fans around here and overseas in general are more mild, and that's why they were the ones who were surprised at the incident; most of them just support KC, and even when they don't like KG, they don't go extreme and go out wanting to kill Gillian, but HK fans would. Certain KC fans at HK forums write such horrible things; they even curse Gillian for her death because she's supposedly the one who's keeping Kenny and Charlene from getting together. *shakes head* There are other people who make up quotes on their signatures of 'Kenny' saying that Charlene is a beauty while Gillian is a pig. It just makes me shiver when I see it; is it really necessary? Anyway, I'm just glad it doesn't happen here. KC fans don't do such vulgar things to Gillian, nor do KG fans towards Charlene.

I hope this forum doesn't collapse; that would mean that all these discussions that we've had here and other threads would be lost. Perhaps we should start to save up our messages so we can post them back up if it does happen. I just hope it doesn't happen.

I think the majority of files are in RAR formats recently is because RAR maintains the Chinese/Foreign language characters so it's much simpler for fans to label which performance is which event especially when these events are being shared and distributed by Chinese fans to other regional fans like us.

I just watched it. Actually, it seems as though Gillian singing along into Sa's verse was planned. Both Twins weren't completely unaware or surprised that Gillian joined in, both were rather synchronizing. I do agree that Sa resorted to lowering some notes in the second half of Kindergarten; perhaps, she forgot to remain consistent to the recent changes of her singing style. But Twins do sound a lot better now in comparison to some previous live performances. But for some reason, when Twins join voices, the quality becomes quite fuzzy and weak. I think I like the Gillian solos more because somehow they were much articulated but Gillian does need to extend her notes like Sa.


I guess it would be difficult for Twins to synchronize as lovely as S.H.E. considering that both have never really been trained to sing with one another. Both Twins have only been responsible and expected to sing their own verse of the song and then join voices at the chorus yet haven’t learned how to adjust to one another.

The fast Mandarin songs would be Sa’s genre. I’m just anticipating on the ballads like Hover Bird because Gillian seems to have grasped them quite well.

Actually, I think both Sa and Gillian would lack the enthusiasm in these fast songs. Even though Sa can sing as loudly or as deep as she wishes without getting penalized but when Twins sing fast songs, they both tend to lack the energetic youthful emotions suited to make the song shine. Starlight Amusement was a decent song but not a the full definition of a fast song; it was definitely more upbeat than the rest but to name it as a fast song? Um, not really. Plus Twins' new Mandarin songs would consider more jumpy emotions than Starlight Amusement. Starlight Amusement was much more of a standard song but these recent Mandarin songs are quite everywhere with their beats and notes.


Wow, that extreme eh? I guess, because KC have collaborated in a film before. Boy, I want to put those KC fans into a challenge by paring KG up in a film, whahahaha!

Yeah, we should start saving up our chats and conversations. I want to be on the safe side incase this forum crashes because usually, when forums grow this big in members, data, and space, they’re extremely vulnerable to attacks, viruses, and crashes.

'Around The World With Eighty Dollars'
can anyone upload this song to ysi? rapidshare hates me. haha. jkjk.
thanks very much!

Sure. Here you go:

http://s51.yousendit.com/d.aspx?id=3S7EUIR...MA1SFCO7ZD6DV5N

Hm, not my type of song.

Hmm...I saw this CD cover of Shirley's recently in a CD store. Does anyone think in this picture, it looks so much like Gillian?? When I first saw it, I was surprised. I was like when did Gillian have a CD like that..LOL...I know Gillian never have one for "My Father, Mother" like Charlene did for "Next Stop Diva," so I was quite confused until I saw "Shirley" written on top...haha...

Hm..to me it actually sounds nice but maybe its not really Twins style so I won't get use to it yet but their mando are actually professional sounding like

I saw that same picture when I was browsing around YesAsia. Haha, I thought it looked like Gillian too, until I saw the other pictures for that album. Still got to admit, that picture looks so much like Gil!

lol omg that really looks like gillan

It could've been that it was a mistake, but they just had to go with the flow. Usually when they make a mistake, they still keep a normal expression even when something goes out of order. But it could be a planned thing as well since it has happened before. During their recent concert, there were times during a few songs where Charlene just didn't sing one or two lines of her verse, and Gillian sang it instead, so maybe they decided to sing it together to synchronize the song? Or maybe they saw how Charlene didn't remain consistent during the second half of the song for 'Kindergarten' so Gillian decided to give some help during 'Hover Bird'?

I like Gillian's solos more as well; Gillian somehow is just at her best singing alone. I think Gillian needs a time to sing 'Kindergarten' alone, then she'll see that she needs to extend the notes longer than she has been. You could see that she clearly put her mic down before Charlene during the last notes of the verses. It's the same thing with 'Starlight Amusement Park'; she sang it with short notes to end the verses the first time she sang solo, but the second time around, she touched up on them by stretching them out and holding them out longer. I think it's because she can feel around and listen up for her flaws when she's singing alone easier because there's no one there to cover them up. I think more solo performances really could help Gillian improve her singing skills.

The one thing I'm worrying about is if their mandarin album has any ballads at all, seeing how this Mandarin album is so youthful. Hopefully there will be at least one or two Mandarin ballads in the album since Gillian grasps those better than the fast Mandarin songs, which are more competent for Charlene. Even Jill's album had one slow ballad, and she's been known to be going on the R&B route. Well, if there really aren't any nice ballads on the Mandarin album, then I hope Gillian can show her potential in singing ballads on their upcoming cantonese album.


'Starlight Amusement Park' is definitely not a fast song; it's just more upbeat and happy. It's also not a song that needs loudness involved. Gillian was able to perform it solo without the loudness; I think she was able to portray it quite well because 'Starlight Amusement Park' is pretty much still a song that consists of emotions, happy ones though. Their recent mandarin songs are a complete different story. They just have to get in there with the enthusiasm for these songs. These songs are harder to sing because sometimes it's just hard for someone to suddenly get all jumpy and enthusiastic with the happy tones flying all over the place, which is what's needed to completely make the song shine. Now I worry that if Charlene will be adapting back to her loud voice when singing because of their new songs? And I worry if Gillian's going to be criticized once again of her 'quiet' singing voice?

I wonder what we'll be seeing from those KC fans if KG were to star in a film? Probably more extreme than ever.

AF is definitely one of the best Asian forums around, so I wouldn't want this forum to be crashing.
Twins had another recent promotion of their album lately. I like the photo of Twins behind them rather than the one infront of them. Gillian's finally wearing some jeans! She's also wearing the same top that she wore to Beijing earlier. Amazing how the top can look formal and natural depending on what a person wears it with. Gillian was so cute; she bought a present for Charlene, but while Gillian was handing it to her during their interview, she dropped some of the microphones in her hands. She looked a little embarassed and then apologized.

Yeah, I think so too. Gillian seems more relaxed and confident singing solo; thus, performing live better. When Gillian was singing her verses alone in this recent performance, Gillian was singing quite beautifully but when both Twins joined at the chorus, that was when the quality became a bit fuzzy; perhaps, Gillian is attempting to accommodate Sa's voice and Sa vice versa, ending up restraining both of their voices. Even though both Twins have learned how to synchronize moreso now but it's still not the best and large improvements are still underway or perhaps, Twins will never be able to synchronize beautifully and flawlessly? I mean, they've been singing together, side by side for 5-6 years already and there songs aren't that difficult to synchronize either yet they haven't achieved much together in terms of singing.

Gillian's only flaws now are extending the notes a bit longer and stretching her notes stronger. Kindergarten would be a nice piece for Gillian to sing solo especially when this song somehow triggers a lot of emotions from Gillian like My Father, Mother even though it's such a gentle and light hearted song.

Hm, that is true. Hopefully, Hover Bird isn't the only ballad in this Mandarin Album. I would love to hear Gillian singing a completely new ballad. Hm, but I'm guessing, there must be some ballads because knowing how Twins usually work, they always have a mix of fast songs and ballads no matter how different each album style is.

In fast songs, it's always sort of expected that Sa will over-project her voice because that's usually her comfort zone whereas Gillian, her voice is much more delicate so she can't project that much or else she'll go off tune. But if both Twins just stick to the original tune without one over-projecting to dominate the other, there wouldn't be criticisms of Gillian singing too quietly because she is singing at the standardized notes and volume.


Yeah, AF is usually the first place I surf when I'm online but we better begin saving our discussions just to be on the safe side. Backup is always better than nothing if something was to happen.

Hm, I can't see the pictures?

Aw, Gillian is so considerate and cute. Is this the same photo in the background since this is considered Twins' new Mandarin Album look?


Credits: SaGill @ TC

Gillian's hair is down. This is so way better than the ugly tied back ponytail thing. I LOVE Gillian's outfit, Sa's knee highs, and both of their cute platforms.

Other beautiful recent pictures of Gillian for Twins' new advertisement.


Credits: Happii @ TC

I don't see why Gillian can't have her hair down like this in the Mandarin music videos? Gillian would have looked 100X better!



I can see them now. Thanks.

Yay! I guess, our complaints were heard! Gillian is wearing Jeans and has her hair down! Well, I'm still not too fond of the curls but at least Gillian's hair is down, way better than the tied back hairstyle.

Gillian is beautiful and seems so content in these pictures. Gillian should have just taken off that sweater-scarf thing and show her nice figure. I agree. Gillian can make outfits look so elegant in one event and then, so casual yet still so pretty the next. I guess, it really depends on how Gillian presents herself in the outfits too. She seems so casual in this event versus the sophisticated gorgeous gal that was just singing Hover Bird solo the other day.

Sa looks cute too with her nice top and really cute yellow sneakers.

Oh, I purposely left the photos showing because I just love them. It's been quite long since I've seen Gillian so happy and pretty with curls!

That may be a fact. You'd think that more or less Twins would be getting close to synchronizing with each other perfectly after 5 - 6 years of singing together, but apparently their flaws of not being able to synchronize with each other are still revealing themselves nowadays. Gillian's and Charlene's voices are somewhat compatible, but somehow live performances just don't do them any justice. Personally, I think Gillian's solo verses were the best sung out of the whole song, based on this recent performance. Gillian simply doesn't appear to be as pressured when she's singing solo as when she's singing as Twins. From what I see, Gillian lets herself get more relaxed while performing solo as well; I know she may say that she gets nervous beforehand, but I really do see a free and relaxed Gillian on-stage when she's alone. More solos would definitely help out Gillian; it would seriously help her improve because she can then fix up her mistakes because they come more clear to her when she sings solo. It's as though after Gillian sings a song solo, she is able to come to Twins and perform it flawless, just as what happened with 'Hover Bird' and 'Starlight Amusement Park'. I think Gillian's noticing the short notes problem; she fixed it up for 'Starlight Amusement Park', so I'm sure she can fix it up for any other song. I hope that Gillian does sing 'Kindergarten' solo since she would make the song extra calming and emotional with the voice she uses for this song. Hey..... there's another Mainland award ceremony coming up near the middle of the month.... Maybe Gillian could go there and sing solo? I doubt it though since Twins are 'sticking together' for all the upcoming months.


I hope you're right. Hopefully they're just plugging all these fast and happy songs before they release their album to fulfill their title of being youthful for this album, and then they'll reveal some nice ballads after they release the album and be promoting those instead. But I think the majority of the songs will probably be fast and less ballads though since they're selling that youthful and jumpy enthusiasm so much.

Gillian's never really known to be the best at singing those really jumpy songs. She can sing fast songs, like how she sang Joey's song at the 2006 concert, but not the usual kind of fast songs that Twins usually receive, like the 'laugh out loud' kind of song. I don't think Gillian would ever attempt to be yelling out loud while singing as Charlene had done even if it could hide the lack of enthusiasm.

Yeah, it's the first place I surf on as well. I really don't want anything to be lost in this forum, but I guess we should do what we can to at least make some back up.


No, it's not the same photo. I fixed the links up there, so you can go have a look. Gillian's hairstyles in these photos are way better than the one in the MV. It's still curly, but at least it's not tied up all the way. What are they saving Gillian's straight hair for? Just throw the curling iron away already!

When Gillian performs solo, her voice just seems to naturally grasp the melody and beautifully conveys the essence of the song. I'm not saying that it's horrible when Twins reunite to sing together, but we've already heard Gillian sing solo a few times, enough to know that this recent Twins performance wasn't her best and apparently, Gillian has sang Hover Bird quite well just a few weeks ago versus this live performance. Personally, after listening to Gillian sing solo a few times now, seems like Gillian would sound her best solo and please don't misunderstand that this is anything negative towards Sa but this is just my honest opinion. Both Twins still cannot synchronize like the rest of groups or duos. I thought F4 and 2R were quite below average in synchronizing, Twins sadly rate a bit lower. I guess, I'm beginning to sense some tension within myself in terms of Twins singing. I have been reading a lot of posts and comments in the Critics Thread and I cannot at all defend Twins because everything they state is true. I really don't know when Twins will break the improving stage into something much more.

All of this youthfulness is becoming a bit overwhelming. I wish Twins would sing really nice ballads since Mandarin is a more flexible dialect and can reveal a more gentle aspect of their voices. And please, synchronize.

Yeah, Gillian performed quite well with Joey’s song at the concert; perhaps, that was an emotionally rollarcoasterish song that has always complimented and suited Gillian’s versatile voice versus Twins’ standard happy dandy songs.

I definitely agree that Gillian sings better solo rather than with Charlene; I always have believed it that way ever since I took serious notice of Twins, which was after their 2004 concert. I was more of an average fan before; I'll listen to their songs but won't take much excess notice of other things, but I was aware all along that Gillian has been the main vocals for Twins. This is no offense to Charlene, but it simply is a fact that Gillian performs better alone. I'm not sure about which is more suitable for Charlene though. I had believed that she sounded nicer in Twins, but the recent performances just turned me off with the poor synchornizing, yet I don't quite enjoy her solos, at least the ones from their recent concert. I wonder if we're looking into things too much to notice so many things? But I think it's a good thing; even though certain people will just say we're pointing fingers, but what's a discussion forum good for if you can't start a discussion?

There must be some big factor in there personally for Gillian for there to be a difference of her performances. I still think it may be the pressure of singing with someone else. Personally, I think the thing good about singing with someone is you won't be as scared because someone's with you, but other than that, it's quite negative unless the person's really able to synchronize with you. I remember I was performing a song with my friend, and I was just worrying the whole time about if we could stay on key together, or if my friend will able to keep up, and if I'll be able to keep up. By myself, it's just much easier because I can sing however I want. Mind you, this friend and I weren't very synchronizing either.

I think the big issue from the Critics Thread is right there. Twins singing. I don't mean it as a bad thing that Twins are together and performing, but as I watch more performances of them, there is just an obvious problem of synchronizing between them. Where does it come from? Lack of practices together? Pressure? Who knows? Perhaps Twins don't even know. It may really be the problem that Twins have when they unite. I believe we know very well that Gillian makes great improvements each time she makes a solo performance. She can also grasp each note and tone very well. I don't have a comment for Twins breaking the improvement stage, but I know Gillian will be.

I read from CCT that Gillian expressed that they'll be having solos released on the mandarin album. I'm not sure if it's true though since I downloaded an interview that the fan stated the host mentioned that there were solos in, but I didn't catch that part due to my limited knowledge of mandarin. If it's true, then I hope Gillian's solo will be an emotional ballad, as a break from all the youthfulness that we'll be getting from this album.

lol do you guys know when their album is gonna come out here?

I think it probably both the pressure and lack of practicing together that made their voice not synchronized with each other. It's either one is too busy or the other one is too busy or both of them too busy on other things instead of practicing together and try to improve on their singing.

oOo...I hope it's true too!! Wow...if it is true, I think their Taiwan route is progressing faster than their HK market!! I mean it took like 3 years or so before their first solo was released while their first madarin solo is on their way! It seemed a little rushed and wonder if it had anything with the splitting topic that had been discussed so much....

Hm, I don't think we're observing too seriously nor critically because singing is singing; it's not necessary to completely tune in and pay attention to every note to recognize good singing from bad singing. I think Sa somehow shines best in live performances as Twins rather than singing solo because at least Gillian is still present to remind Sa if she goes way too low on the high notes and help conceal Sa's voice when she struggles with the high unaltered notes if she decides to attempt them.

I believe, it is difficult to accommodate two different voices but on the same token, it really depends how synchronized both Twins really are with each other personally as well. If both Twins understood each other well enough, after all these years of partnership, Sa would not be singing so loudly in an attempt to overcrowd Gillian knowing that Gillian has a sweeter voice and cannot project as much and Gillian would not end stretching her notes way before Sa; combined together and the obvious unharmonization between Twins only weakens them as a pair. I think we can all cancel out the pressure and the lack of practices together etc. because Twins have been recording and performing together for half a decade now, they both should be able to measure each other's strengths and weaknesses and be able to use that information to both of their potential but unfortunately, the unsynchronization of their singing also exposes how un-united they both are even though both may have claimed to love each other dearly da da da but their work is obviously showing the opposite.

I bet if you and your friend who weren't synchronizing much in that first karaoke song together were to assemble into Twins, both of you would work together to harmonize as much as possible and actually end up synchronizing with each other quite well after a few albums unless there were certain issues that disrupted that union.

Gillian can sing solo. But there is still so much she needs to improve on and be accepted as a singer. I hope one day, she'll break that barrier.

Ah! Hopefully, Gillian will have a ballad! Hm, if Twins are having their own solos in this upcoming Mandarin album, the sequence of events just futher justifies the speculation that perhaps the end of Twins is nearing in both the Cantonese and Mandarin markets.

Hey look! Gillian in jeans again and with her hair down! Yay! I guess, I should save my EEG emails since they're answering my requests even before I finalized my emails. I love Gillian's revealing top and overall cute outfit.


Credits: bibotatu @ TC.

Thanks for sharing these pictures!!

I don't like Gillian's hairstyle hair even though it's down. The hair too buff up...just looks so weird on Gillian's face...making it look so small and awkward... I'm glad at least Gillian's hair is down and she is wearing so jeans!! Gillian seemed to have slim down, her thighs are not as thick as people claimed which is all muscles from her running aways.

I wonder if there's someone who has high status in EEG comming to this thread and reading this or what?? After we complain/comment for a while on unsatisfying things, there seemed to be some change if not big, still a little small evident change.

Edit: I was just looking at the pictures again and I was thinking how Gillian seemed to look younger than Charlene in those pictures! Gillian seemed like a younger sister to Charlene instead....Is it just me....?

That's awesome if they are really going to have solos in the Mandarin album, because Gillian and Charlene have yet to show the fans from Taiwan/China how well they do as individuals...since their earlier ones were in Cantonese. I wonder if it's possible for you to post the interview up? Even though I don't know much Mandarin myself, but I can atleast give it a try...just to make sure that the host really mentioned something about the solos.


Maybe the problem about them not being able to synchronize together, has something to do with them having different singing teachers? Since I believe Gillian respective Charlene's teacher has their own way of learning their pupils. (?)
Note: I'm only speculating here, since I can't seem to find any reasons to why they still have problem singing together, considering they have collaborated for 5 years already. (as you stated before) So I guess this is the only reason I can come up with, which to some degree sounds plausible...



In the latest Friday magazine, Gillian said that the look/style she had in the ad for "moov" is actually what she likes to wear in real-life, because it's comfortable and natural.
But since she stated she liked the outfit in that ad, how come she hardly wore any jeans before...but only started to wear those lately?

It could be that the stylist who dresses Gillian heard about the interview and especially choose these clothes in favor of Gillian. or the company probably have some regulations on that; where they decide what the artist is able to wear because of the "certain image" they want them to portray? I don't know but it's weird how in the past years, Gillian dressed more girly while Charlene is more tomboyish but now it's almost like a 180 degree change...

Mirror mirror , is there any girls on the earth pretty like Gill ? Ah , i heard that Gill is dating with Alex Fong , is this true ?

Yeah the front of her head looks flat cause of the way the hair is and it looks funky on her with all those hair and her smile face lol

Hm..now that you mentioned it yeah Gill does look younger than Char, maybe its because Char is now alot more mature than Gill and they put more makeup on her making her look more mature



Hmm dont think theirs any other girls I saw prettier than Gill. Nope Gill is not dating anyone. It's just a rumour

Do you think a reason that Twins are showing how they're not synchronizing very well because of Gillian? I find that Twins did used to synchronize a bit better when Gillian used to compress her voice down to let Charlene take on all the volume she wants? But recently as Gillian started to do solo singing and after their recent concert, Gillian lets herself perform more freely during Twins performances, not as free as she is solo, but more free than the previous Twins performances. Other than that, Charlene is also not always achieving for volume now, but has been more cautious of her notes and keys. It kind of seems like Gillian's letting herself get more relaxed and doesn't compress her voice down much for Charlene anymore, and with Charlene being aware that Gillian's not exactly letting her charge out their with her volume, Charlene put some work on her keys instead of achieving loudness all the time. Another thing that may be Twins are aware that they may become serious competitors with each other soon as the split is nearing. They are still competitors now, but since they're under the same title, then they'll be okay with it. Yet if they split, it'd be a different story.

Well, my friend and I were on a pretty tight schedule for that performance. It was a school thing, so the teacher in charge was just pressuring us all the way through. My friend actually gave in to that teacher of her singing ways when the teacher kept going, "Louder, LOUDER, LOUDER!!" I didn't though; the song wasn't even a very loud one, it was one of the calming love songs, so why would I want to sing LOUD? So I believe we would have been more synchronizing and she would've sounded better if my friend sang at her standard volume. Gotta be more firm on things like these. But I agree; it we were an actual group of whom are going to be singing and working together, I'm sure we would've tried to work things out and get used to how each other sings. Could it really be that Twins simply can't do that? Or are they just getting more distant from each other nowadays?

I have confidence for Gillian to break the barrier and be accepted as a professional singer. You're right, if their second Mandarin album is already going to have solos while they had to wait three years until their first solos in cantonese, then they are moving swiftly to catch on the Mandarin market onto the Cantonese market. It may hint at Twins coming to an end as well.

Thanks for the pictures! Gillian's hair is a tad bit better. It looks nicer than when it's all tied up, but this makes her head look flat. I love her outfit though. Her top is so nice; it has a breeze of sexiness there with the flaring out at the bottom of the top.



With all the criticisms of Gillian being 'fat', I suppose that she does have to tone down a bit, even when there's nothing wrong with her weight. Perhaps Gillian does need to lose weight for the new film, but not to an extreme of thirty pounds. It may also be her choice of outfits lately. The baggy pants that she used to wear makes her look swelled up sometimes, and I think jeans can make a person look more straight and slim with their figure because they're tighter and more rigid.

That'd be so cool if someone from EEG's actually reading these, but it seems so unlikely. Would they really go reading comments of fans among threads? Especially at an english forum too. Do they have time to do that? Anyway, I wouldn't mind if someone who could make a difference is reading these comments because at least he/she is actually taking time to be reading our comments, which are defended by evidence and proof, and he/she can decide if we're right about these things or not.

I guess it's because Charlene's trying to adapt to a more mature image. It could certainly help her with her roles in films. You know, with the cute and sassy image that she's carried, those are mostly what the roles that she's received consist of. Letting her image get more mature during certain times may help show that she can be persuasive in a serious role as well. The same probably goes for Gillian as well. Gillian could also be tired of carrying the image of being the dead serious and mature girl of the group with her sassy partner, so she can become more youthful, not the very jumpy and laugh-out-loud youthful, but she doesn't have to carry the grave image so much. Another factor is, the factor of time is being very generous and merciful towards Gillian. Geez, the girl still looks like she's twenty!! No wonder Steven could pass as her older cousin/Biu Gor in '49 Days'!



Sure, hope you have some luck of listening to that part. Here's the link, http://rapidshare.de/files/20050048/upload.byS.T.F.rmvb.html ,but I hope S.T.F. won't mind of re-posting the link because I tried to upload this myself, but rapidshare would only tell me that someone's already uploaded the file up, so they won't upload the file again.

Maybe it does have something to do with singing teachers. It's so amusing to think back to when the old Boy'Z (Kenny & Steven) were performing with Twins; looking at that scenery, it's three apprentices of Teresa Caprio (Charlene, Steven, Kenny) VS one apprentice of Christine Samson (Gillian). It doesn't seem like it could be the main reason though. Many artistes with different singing teachers collaborate and they don't have problems, but I guess that may be because they don't sing together as often as Twins. Now I really want to know how it would be if Gillian sang the duet with Kenny, then we can see if the different singing teachers are a factor in the problem. Then perhaps Gillian could sing a song with Joey, seeing that they have the same teacher, maybe that'll turn out better.

Maybe Gillian had a change in taste? Or maybe what she had been wearing before was arranged by her stylist, and she's wearing what she wants now? It really seems like both Twins are in for an image change. Well, I'm glad she's wearing more jeans and stylish clothes now.

I'm not too fond with the overdone curly hairstyle either but at least it is better than the tied back hairdo though. And somehow these curls actually lighten up Gillian's face. Gillian seems so natural, refreshing, and quite youthful or perhaps, it's been so long since Gillian's hair has been down, the curls are beginning to look refreshing again lol.

Gillian has healthy legs if you were to ask me, they're not sticks.

Even though Sa supposedly possesses the cute baby face and Gillian is usually the mature beauty but seems as though Sa does age quicker than Gillian not only in these pictures but ever since the beginning of Twins; I at first had mistakened Sa to be older than Gillian but that wasn't the case.

I'm just so glad that I won't be seeing Gillian with that tied back hairdo throughout the promotions because here's another Pre-Promotion event and Gillian again has her hair down. Gillian looks amazingly refreshing and has a pleasant glow. But I guess this hairstyle is better in that, half of the curls are tied up so it doesn't have that extra poofy appeal like the photos above.

Credits: Sagill @ TC.


Well, Gillian doesn't have much freedom to be her natural self with Mani dictating what goes on inside and outside the public image. Gillian has been exposing a lot of things she's been pressed to do like the cute image, the onscreen restrictions, and now her own fashion; I guess Gillian has gotten a bit fed up with everything altogether too.


That is very true; Twins' wardrobe does revolve around a certain image they're expected to portray. Even though the roles have switched on Twins, I don't believe Gillian can ever completely carry the tomboy label due to her natural gentle beauty. It's more of Sa maturing into a full grown woman with the sexy outfits while Gillian is still her usual conservative self and I like that. I guess, the only option Mani/EEG permitted Gillian in keeping all along was the conservative image.


Gillian has improved a lot on her own but I'm not so certain if that is the cause or a contribution to Twins' unsynchronization. Any improvement would only benefit Twins as a whole. But I guess, Gillian has been doing quite well solo so it is difficult sharing the stage and songs with Sa again since Gillian has revealed a lot of potential with her short exploration of her voice and confidence. The Gillian now seems to be quite a few steps ahead so it is difficult to attune. At times, some artists just shine best singing solo or in a duet with someone who compliments their voice on the same level. For example, Gillian has already sung the alphabet up to the letter G and Sa is still on letter C, when both join together to sing the alphabet from different points, of course there is not going to be synchronization. S.H.E. were strangers in the beginning but one thing they all had in common was, they all were on the same letter, A, and they all grew together thus achieving synchronization. Both Twins were on the same letter once but that has changed for whatever reason, whether Gillian had always possessed a more versatile voice and has only revealed it now or that Gillian had more time to explore her strengths but in the end, it all comes down to each individual's merit and sorry to say but both Twins possibly do not have the same amount, at least in singing for that matter. I became a Gillian Fan because I enjoyed her voice from the first time I heard her sing without ever seeing how pretty she was; frankly, I believe Gillian has more merit than Sa in the music arena and that is as unbias as it gets for those who don't believe. That was a simple analogy.


I'm just not sensing the Twins Effect anymore. Both seem so distant even though they're standing right next to each other. The fellowship has been broken. That simply could be it. Gillian wishes to sing the songs her way and Sa prefers them her style and that easily results in unsynchronization.

With such little time of exploration, Gillian has already improved quite a bit, just a bit more practice and proper training, Gillian will reach her destination soon. EEG rarely supports solos within Twins, if this upcoming Mandarin Album does release solos, there is definitely something going on here.


Gillian does need to wear clothes that unveil her nice figure. The baggy clothes at times make Gillian look unappealing even if she is as skinny as any human being can become. Clothes and hair are what helps beauty shine.


Ever since Sa experienced a serious love story and death in All About Love, Sa has grown from the sassy bubble-gum girl into quite a mature figure in both reality and on theatres. I'm glad that CLS is someone witty, cheerful, cute, and someone who has the most lines in the serial because that is something quite different from all of Gillian's previous roles. I guess even in 49 Days, Gillian's image has changed into a more relaxing and flexible character.

I was watching Twins music videos from the beginning to the current moment and Gillian hasn't aged much considering that 5-6 years can add a lot to someone.


Hm, but I can assure that Twins do not sing like their music instructors so the different style isn't much of an issue. Singing is singing, there's not much style into making a voice outshine the other.

Gillian can finally have a choice of what she feels comfortable in wearing.

i've found the poster House of Fury . It's looks a bit different
Gill looks so cool !!

It's the cover of the Thai version. Hm, quite misleading there though. Somehow reminds me of Twins Effect II, a woman-dominating world whahah!

Thanks for sharing.

Gillian looks awesome in both of the posters but I like the first one, it's a bit more accurate.

Hey, Bluehearts, these are the pictures you were referring to right? Gillian and her cute small ponytails?

This is someone's banner I snatched and don't want to mention any names. I'll erase it later. It's only for a quick show and tell.

^^ Yea...it looks so cute!! Having seen Gillian or Twins like that for a long time. Even though they should be maturing or whatnot, I'm kind of missing the days when Gillian was dressing and looking so cute...

The paperclip thing was creative!! I tried that before in school when I needed hair clips and I'm surprised Twins used them before too

Click on Picture
Here's the one with the school uniforms I just found (it's hard to tell from that angle) while looking through the Twins Gallery:


Some others pictures of Gillian with two ponytails:




This picture of Twins looks really cute too!!:



Wow...looking at the gallery brings back so much memories!! So cute!! They used to dress totally alike but now, haven't seem them do that in a long time!! I feel like I'm stucj between them with the new image and the old image after seeing the pictures

Edit: Gillian in jeans!! It looks really nice on her:






Hmm..I see Gillian wearing a few more jeans. She seemed to have worn more jeans in the past then now....

I think it may be because Gillian's not that passive on performances anymore. Like you said, after her exploration of the solo singing world, Gillian now has developed more improvements and her own styles. She doesn't 'go with the flow' anymore during Twins performances. You're right about how she's always a few steps ahead when Twins reunite. That's most likely the factor of why the unsynchronization is happening. It's probably true that it's hard for two people who are at different levels and scales to be cooperating flawless together. I have always believed that Gillian was the stronger singer of Twins, and I believe that I have a non-biased comment on that as well. I too, fell in love with Gillian's voice before seeing and loving her beauty as well. Gillian's voice is versatile to begin with, so if she gets the rightful training and practice, I'm sure her strength of singing will exceed what she has now. After her solo singing, Gillian's stages of improving is just jumping tremendously, so it makes the gap between Twins quite obvious now when they reunite.

We'll just have to wait for the Mandarin album to come out to confirm whether the solos exist or not. It'll show us any signs that are happening for Twins if solos do appear. It would even more if the solos were of higher quality than their duet songs.

Yes, after watching '49 Days', I've seen a whole different side of Gillian. I don't see why there are comments flying of how she doesn't look like a lawyer in the film. Her character's not even supposed to be a dead serious lawyer. She's just a girl who doesn't like losing her arguements, a stubborn girl. Her arguement scenes are so funny and amusing. I love those scenes!

If music instructors don't make a difference, then the problem must be among themselves.

Thx for the clip, but unfortunately I too didn't catch that part, where the host mentioned about the solos...even though I've listened to it twice. It's not that I didn't understand them, because I find it is much easier to understand people from Taiwan speaking Mandarin than those in Mainland. Maybe it's "Transformation Party" playing at the back, which distracted me/us... , thus making us miss that part. (I know that's a lame excuse, but the song did make it alittle bit harder for me to catch what was said)
Anyways I guess we'll just have to wait for the album to release, or further information about it, in order to know whether there'll any solos for Charlene and Gillian or not.

*siGhs* aww, it's back to this again....
Earlier it was just basically GILLIAN and now it's the both of them. I guess maybe GILLIAN'S shinetime ran out when her friggin manager came back, huh?
I'm jus getting really annoyed by this...It's getting a little too old...It's time for some changing...or Maybe her time to shine isn't really over yet...It's only getting started!!! taking a little bit at a time..I hope things will get better for her once their album is out....pray to god!!!!!

I agree, Gillian looks more elegant when her hair is down and I'm not really too fond of the curly hair, too but at least it's down...
Is it just me or is Gillian still look the same? I mean a few weeks ago you guys mention that her manager wants her to lost 30 lbs--I hope this isn't still happening. She still look the same weight...and she doens't need to lose any weight because her weight is just the perfect size for age... in health wise she should be heavier especially at her age....

When I first heard of Twins I thought charlene is the older one but then I found out that it was Gillian who's older. It was hard to believe but its true...charlene just have that facial structure that makes her look older--still she's cute.

No news of just Gillian!!!!

hey Can u translated name album "Around the world with 80 dollars "
01、变身派对
02、80块环游世界
03、我很想他
04、流金摇摆
05、今天星期几
06、一时无俩
07、你最勇敢
08、翱翔的小鸟
09、一个人看电影

Yeah, I wasn't quite sure if Gillian was outshining Sa in the majority of Twins' live performances after Gillian's Hover Bird solos because Sa had decreased in live quality or whether this is just the beginning of Gillian's real singing after a short freelance exploration or perhaps both combined? I like Gillian's voice; even in simple Twins' sing alongs, Gillian's voice stands out and reveals extremely versatile attributes that haven't been placed to work yet. Gillian is like a forming storm about to hit, it takes days even weeks for the powerful storm to form but when it hits, its impact is far greater than Tsunami but in a positive sense though lol. What I'm implying exactly is, Gillian does possess a natural ability in singing; now she's just waiting for the right opportunity to release her potential in full force.

Hm, I am anticipating on the solos more than the duets but if the solos don't exist, I guess we would have to wait for their Cantonese album instead.

Yeah, it's difficult to find news on just Gillian alone now; perhaps they have ceased to exist ever since the return of both Twins and Mani to HK. Even though the pieces of news are supposed to be Twins news , the actual context revolves around Sa.

Hopefully, Gillian's curls will not last and be featured into the Twins Film nor the Cantonese Album because that would totally stink. Watching Gillian with curly hair in the Conscious Discovery EEG MV was cute but sort of overdone. They should have filmed Gillian with the curls during the loving stages or memories with Kenny and then straighten Gillian's hair as she reminiscences about Kenny and their cute past together to show that time has gone by since their breakup.

Hm, Gillian does seem a bit thinner or perhaps the new style of wardrobe. Jeans do trace Gillian's figure more and nicer than the regular cargos she wears.

1. Transformation Party
2. Around the World With 80 Dollars
3. I Really Miss Him
4. The Golden Swing Sways (?)
5. Several of Today's week (?)
6. Once More No Twice
7. You are the bravest (?)
8. Hover Bird
9. Watching a Movie Alone

Okay. I give up at translating because all of them turned out weird. It's funny because I know the characters but not the meaning when the characters are placed together. And my mom is not here to help me translate. Perhaps Little_Purple_Bell can come to the rescue!

Yeah, 'Transformation Party' playing in the background did make it harder than it is to begin with. I found myself holding one of my speakers up to my ear to listen to what they were saying. I guess we'll just have to wait to find out.


I feel it could be both of it combined. Gillian has definitely made tremendous improvement during 2006, and it's gotten obvious that Charlene has decreased in her singing quality during recent performances, for a good reason though since she's working on singing the standard notes of the songs. I have to say that those solo performances of Gillian's must've of helped her with her improvement. Gillian's voice just tends to stand out under any circumstance, even during songs that involve a group of people. There was a re-singing of a song by Joey by the EEG artistes back then, and Gillian's voice stood right out from all the others. I didn't even hear Charlene in that song. Perhaps Gillian just needs a bit more time to form her abilities together, and when she strikes...... It's gonna be a mad storm!

I'm anticipating on any solos of Gillian right now; solos just tend to give you a better idea of whether an individual singer has improved or not.




Nowadays, I think we'd be lucky if we found news that actually featured Twins, and not the 'write the title with Twins, but report on Charlene Choi only' sort of deal. Because we would be the ones wondering, 'What about Gillian Chung? Oh yes, she's not favoured one; thus, nothing on her.' *rolls eyes* But today's news was pretty amusing. Gillian went on a boat trip with Charlene, Kenny, Steven, Mani, and some others. The downside is all the reporters focused on were how everyone's bodies looked like. Like how the guys look with their bare chests, and how the girls look in their bikinis, but that's what the media does. At least they used decent description words with Gillian; they said she was extremely sexy when she was waving at Kenny on his ski jet because all you can see is an angelic face with a great body figure especially around the chest area in a bikini. Good thing they didn't say that she's fat. Haha, neither of the Twins would get on with Kenny on the ski jet. Wonder how he feels to be turned down? Kenny and Steven are still great buddies though; they were putting on sunscreen for each other, but the media said it looked like Brokeback Mountian.

Gillian's had the curly hair since the end of last year; that's more than enough. I hope she'll get rid of them after the promotion of the Mandarin album, if not before. I'm really not in the mood of seeing her in a whole film with the curly hair. I actually think that they should've done the Conscience Discovery MV the other way around. I think Gillian's scenes with Kenny should be with straight hair, and the scenes of thinking back should be with curly hair since curly hair makes her look a bit more mature, so like time's passed, that kinda thing?



You did a pretty good job of translating; I got mostly the same names that you did. But I heard this list was fake because it has both 'Hover Bird' and 'One Time No Twice' on it, and Twins have expressed that they only have one re-singing of a cantonese song in this album. The list would also most likely be in traditional chinese rather than simplified. A magazine once revealed that there's a song called, 'Youthfulness, Goodbye', on the album as well. <--- I'm making a guess that this song must be the last track on the CD; it makes sense. Nine tracks looks a little measly for this album, considering they spent so long on it. I think it'd have 10+ tracks on it.

01、变身派对
1. Transformation Party
02、80块环游世界
2. Around The World With 80 Dollars
03、我很想他
3. I Really Miss Him
04、流金摇摆
4. Flowing Gold Swing Swangs (?)
05、今天星期几
5. What Day Is It Today?
06、一时无俩
6. One Time No Twice
07、你最勇敢
7. You Are The Bravest
08、翱翔的小鸟
8. Hover Bird
09、一个人看电影
9. Watching A Movie Alone

So today news was on a boat trip? Aww Gillie waved to her Kenny! Lol but I think Mani didn't want anyone sking with Kenny incase of rumours and stuff.

The song title wounds weird but hope it sounds nice.. if Gillian said they have solos I think maybe Gillian solo could be Hover Bird but of course it would be better if she had something else. But only if they had solos

Yeah! I agree with that!