yes he can sing...he may not have a good voice range but yes he could sing.....it's just the matter of style like someone mention earlier..not to mention he never lip-sync during his live performances...

Jay doesn't pronounce mandarin as they are supposed to be pronounced because he likes to sing it that way. Some people who study the language mandarin were angry at him because they thought he was trying to change the language or something. There was an article on it way back ^^

I think he's a good singer, he is not like the majority of HK singers where you can not even hear them. His performances of "Fa ru xue" is very good and even though sometimes he is not singing very high, because his voice is a bit low it's just that much harder for him to hit the high notes. (can't really compare his singing to junsu... as junsu has a very high voice to begin with)I also don't think Jay has had much professional training for singing, but i find his singing very enjoyable.

I don't think he is a "wannabe gangster"... that is stereotyping him from the way he dresses.

most of the time i just listen to the melody of the song but i cannot understand what he is saying because most of the time he is either mumbling or rapping

abt jay u can say he's mumbling but i can tell u that he sings very well

Everyone can SING, as long as u open ur mouth and sounds comes out in different keys- ur singing. but, i dunt think Jay Chou's good at it animore, his voice is all scratchy and itchy. lol. and wheezley. but i must say he is really really musically talented.

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what a silly and immature comment. And i remember you , that guy who made a topic about hating Mayday and none of your criticisms made sense.

And here you are again , telling us that Jay Chou thinks his fans sucks and are irritating and stupid. Do you know him personally?
At least have some criticism that people will take seriously.

Im not really a fan of him but i do like his music.

EXCUSE ME iris_es!! who do you think u are??? do YOU know him personally??? have you even spent a day or an hour with him??? maybe if u did, ur atitude must be so arrogant and pridefull that jay chou told u off. thats y u r here trying to make ppl hate him.

AND--------""Shitty singer being like by shitty people. Its just the same! When can they realize they are dungs "" what do you mean by this??? just because you don't like him and think u know him doesn't mean u can call his fans "shitty people" just because u r not a singer and ur not famous like jay chou, doesn't mean u can go round insulting him. even if what ppl up there said about jay chou is true, u r inferior compared to him. ur so "low" and uncivilized. who r u calling dungs and shitty ppl?? u r the one that is the sh*t!! and ur saying things about jay chou coz ur jealous and spitefull about his fame. and how would u know who composes his songs??? i've watched this variety show with jay in it. n there was one part where jay chou could compose up a song in only a few mintues during that show and he did it in front of the audience.

what TheBalls26 said is true. u r so immature n foolish. do u know jay chou? how do u know he thinks his fans r irritating?? even if he do think they r, that doesn't give u any right to call his fans "idiot dummies". n i don't see y jay chou should hate his fans. without them he will be a failure and he won't be that rich and popular.

u know what iris_es, ur the arrogant, proud and think ur the best one. but actually u stink!!

i think he is really talented and his songs r nice. and about his singing, if he sings like other ppl he won't be jay chou. n that what makes him unique.

Ok, as much as I dislike Jay Chou but I feel that NONE of the fans and anti-fans have the right to say things for him. You may think he is proud but what makes you think that he IS really proud?


You hate him, but is that right to call his fans 'shitty people'? How do you like it if people use that on you? Please justify what you preach!

As much as I hate Jay Chou, I wouldn't go to the extent of dissing him or his fans. What a degrading-my-morale thing to do. Personally, I like his compositions and he could have done a little better if he sings properly >.< Not mumble.

all I can say is that even though Jay isn't the greatest singer in the world, you've gotta give the guy some credit for his amazing lyrics and composing skills. Even though I like Jay and all, he didn't deserved that Golden Horse Award for his horrible acting in Initial D. Im sure that the organizers gave him the award just because he's Jay Chou. But, I haven't seen Curse of the Golden Flower so I don't know if his acting has improved or not.

hey bro, learn some mandarin and go learn some more about the chinese culture, a lot of his songs refer to specific things, if you dont understand what the character means, look up the story behind it, nuff said

I think what the other poster meant was that he/she could not understand what Jay Chou sings by just listening to his songs. The same goes to me. Give me the lyrics and I can understand them, but if you ask me to decipher the lyrics from the words coming out from his mouth, err... that is rather hard.

Wowzers, I thought some of the comments about Jay mistreating his "girlfriends" rumours or real was kinda unfair. First off, those things are really his _personal stuff_ so we wouldn't understand. It's like two couples having an arguement, and the people around them thinks they know everything between the couple. ~_~ But more importantly, and as we many of us knows by now, the media and paparazzi likes to make up things and dramatize stories for a living!--and they could get really outrageous in the things they make up, but I understand that's just their job. We shouldn't believe anything they say, so the part about his mistreating girls, etc perhaps is jumping to conclusions.

As for arrogance, that may be the image he is going for for his career. It's surprising, but a lot of people in the entertainment would not stick around much unless they could create an aura or image that can promote themselves. Maybe Jay is arrogant, but at times I think he almost have the to right to be arrogant because he does work hard to get where he is. Especially when he used to be looked down upon a lot since he was a kid, and having it tough with a bad father growing up.

Whether or not some people prefer to favor or not favor his music, I believe he is a talented guy--and a multi-talented guy at that. It is undeniable that he is one of the first (if not first) modern person in the industry that has the ability to effectively compose ALL of his own songs along for other people, write lyrics, ability to play many instruments from the cello, piano, guitar, etc, direct his own MV's and movie, and sometimes design his outfits, dance moves, electronic devices, and even start up his own company and etc by 28. That's quite a feat. An artist composing every song for themselves was almost unheard of, and now it indirectly have blossomed a lot of new singers (like Justin Lo, TANK, Lee Hom Wang) to do that too, which encourages more talents in the industry for the happy listeners.

well actually he is talented, or at least way more talented than most people in the Taiwan music industry anyway.
He composes all his songs and writes the lyrics to some as well.
He plays the piano very well.
His singing is not as good as other great singers like Leehom or David Tao but its better than most 'singers' in Taiwan.
His rapping might be hard to understand but i guess thats his style. I dont think how good a rapper you are doesn't necessarily depend on how clearly u pronounce the words.
What is a LOA?

I admire his talent in writing and composing songs, because most of his songs really amaze me, although I am not a fan of his singing. The songs he wrote for other singers are really cool as well, so I don't know why would you say he's not talented?

i don't like his attitude. a little cocky. and he's ugly.

but this guy has talent when it comes to writing his own lyrics and rapping. he's not a "singer", just a rapper. actually a lot of rappers cannot sing like Jay Z or Eminem, or Kanye West. I watched his movie Curse of the Golden Flower. Sucky movie by the way (it was not cohesive because i felt like the entire cast didn't click, everyone's acting is all over the place) but Jay's performance improved compared to his first movie Initial D.

i don't think he's the best out there for china. i actually think really like Justin Lo is really talented, if not even more talented than Jay. He writes his own songs, and has great vocal.

i personally thnk that jay chou can sing, his talent
he has a good voice and yeah there may be times when he sings he mumbles but i thnk it sill sounds good but i dont kno what you guys may thnk
he has been around for ages ay and his improving more and more by starring in movies and directing =D

he maybe a talented artiste no doubt, but i dun think he can sing???

i dun quite understand his popularity with the public, and everyone wanting to be like him???

if he should join the "ge hou bi sai" by xiao song and xiao bo on super sunday, and clears the competition, i will den believe he can sing

Wang Lee Hom is everything except a new singer. Leehom started his career before Jay and he started by composing his own songs as well.

yes, Leehom is Jay Chou's older brother in the entertainment business. he's been in music for over ten years.

i can understand why some people may not like him like his attitude, mumbling, his inability to sing live, his music is a category on it's own...so some may not appreciate it as much.

HOWEVER i am a big Jay Chou fan...more like Jay Chou music fan. I'm not so interested in his life, girlfriends or scandals...just his music. it's very original and addicting. i think he is the only one that can sing it. some others tried to copy his style and it doesnt work.

i thought jay was really good. he does have the music talent, at least those that suits the audience taste, which i think its very important.
i fell i love with his move secret, it really showed the different side of him. yepps<3

I love Jay.
Yep,he mumbles alot but he can sing,listen to 'Fa Ru Xue'...he did sing there

he has a funny voice...and I really don't like the way he looks...

Every of them sings better than jay chou. I think they are all more sincere in singing their songs.
Have you realise Jay Chou's song are empty and shallow?, Irritating to ears?

I'd say he's not that good a singer and most people know he's known to mumble the lyrics as well. Some people even praise his vocals and call him the best singer lol. I think a lot of people just like his compositions, while most others are just huge fans.

maybe you should name some of these new RnB singers?

Jay Chou may not have a great voice but his songs are definitely not "empty and shallow".
Why don't you give an example of one of his songs which is empty and shallow? But i guess everyone has their own perspectives.

No my username is fine. I am Balls .. what does that mean? Was that a joke?
And i see you didn't even reply to any of my comments, it was all just attacking me. How sad.

Also i noticed you made a topic comparing new RnB singers to Jay Chou, you should reply to the comment i made there as well.

Fine, How about Tank or Gary? Not only in music composition that they are better, even creativity, maturity, sincerity. In actual fact both of them ARE better than jay chou.

26balls, let me give you an example: If someone is reading a thick bible for and holding a cross. Do you think he is really a christian?

if you refuse to answer the question 2+3, and the next moment some kid laugh at you saying you do not know the answer. Do you feel the kid is very ignorant?

Which means when jay chou sings a song when the lyris are suppose to be meaningful. And you really think that this song is meaningful?

I realise when it comes to Jay Chou people are more 'motivated' to use expletives. What is the reason actually? Just because he looks naughty that means he is to be treated like that? I don't understand why Jay Chou could be hated until this extend and people don't bother to post nicely.

Well, recently I heard that he was late for Liu Geng Hong's wedding for 9 HOURS??? Are you kidding me? And LGH didn't want to start the ceremony without him. Err, this is very, very absurd.

No i don't need be actually spoon fed the information but i do need the other person to type the information in the post to understand why they are making the point. I am 17.

I think there's a small misunderstanding, i thought when you said new RnB singers i thought you meant newcomers (as in this year). Where both Gary and Tank have been out since the start of last year (almost 2 years now).
Although both Gary and Tank can sing better than Jay i don't agree that they have better and more creative compositions. I think Jay Chou has written some of the best compositions in the Taiwanese music industry. But i guess it is a matter of opinion.
And i don't think you can say they are more mature and sincere (do you know these people personally? if you do why don't you give some proof)

I'm not sure what point you're trying with the christian questions, but to answer it:
no, i wouldn't say that person was a christian for sure unless i knew him and knew that he was a christian. Just like with Jay Chou: Just because he has a public image that has an attitude and has many rumours, i wouldn't say he is bad person unless i knew him personally and knew that he was like this to his friends.

I couldn't completely understand your next point. Do you mean when Jay Chou SINGS his songs, they are shallow or the LYRICS in his songs are shallow?
If you're talking about how meaningful a song is then if the lyrics are meaningful then yes that makes the song meaningful (EVEN if Jay Chou sings it). I don't believe that just because someone you dislike sings a song it takes away the meaning of the song. Most of Jay Chou's songs lyrics aren't even written by himself but by Fang Wen Shan, did you know that?

Asking you give examples of Jay's songs that are shallow was a stupid question? But how else will i know which song you think are shallow and meaningless? I can't read your mind. And where have you given better examples?

can the mods please remove Johntan's post.. that is completely profanity.. got nothing to do with criticism..

anyway.. cant say im a hater at all.. he's the only chinese artist i listen to but yeah.. i dont give a crap what he does in real life as long as he keeps releasing his music (and recently i'd like to add movies ).. his mumbling voice is bit annoying at times.. but thats a unique style.. and not many ppl can do it.. anyway nowadays u gotta be different to be able to shine.. cant have everyone singing the same style and i dont think he's that popular because he's good looking.. cos he looks like crap and there are many other better looking male artists.. but u must admit.. he's got talent.. composing singing and all (except acting.. that he still sucks bad).. imo he's a person u should admire.. just look at the things he went thru.. broken family and all.. and it was a stroke of luck for him to be discovered by Jacky Wu.. if not he'll still be washing dishes and u cant say talent is all he has cos he put in alot of hard work to get to where he is today.. he didnt get his achievements handed to him on a silver platter.. anyway. enough of this ranting.. none of ur criticism will stop him.. and more importantly none of u can achieve what he has accomplished i say u only deserve to criticise him when u have already did what he has done

JohnTan

speak for yourself mate.. you have no opinion as well except for the foul words and flaming me.. at least im on topic.. and opinions are formed based on facts so nothing wrong with my post.. next time please run the stuff thru ur head before u type it out..

anyway.. new song out by Jay :/ and country style sounds weird.. he should just stick with his old style. i think he's trying to prove himself a little too much..

Not sure how i'm only looking at things on the surface.. i have listened to all his songs, looked up their lyrics, watched his MVs, watched his movies, watched variety shows he has gone on, and looked up information about him on the net. How do i get this deeper information that you have obviously acquired? Why don't you say? So far you have said almost nothing to back up for topic. You didn't even give an example of a Jay Chou song which was "empty and shallow".

I'm sorry if i sound ignorant to you but i'm just trying to speak in a way that is logical and easier to understand. I see on your profile that you're 19? So you have "gone through the hardships of life"?

Yes, people have different views. But i still don't understand your view on "fake and genuine music". What makes Jay Chou's music is fake to you? Surely not the fact that he writes the compositions (and occasionally the lyrics) to them.
I think if an artists can compose his songs then his music is made by himself and that makes the music more genuine.

If you don't want to communicate that's fine, but you're the one that started this topic you know. And you really haven't posted any proof or examples backing up this point that you're trying to make. So yea, i really don't get it.

You must understand that different people prefer differrent types of music. It's obvious you don't like Jay Chou's music but just because you don't dosen't mean you can criticise his music in such a way, there are many people out there who like his music and that is the reason why he has become so successful. Posting such biased comments may offend some people so try to be considerate when you express your views.

Also you ask other people to view music in a different perspective but why don't you try doing that? You keep saying how terrible Jay's music is but have you tried to understand why his music appeals to so many people? If you're not able to view in that way then I suggest you keep your opinions to yourself because you probably don't have the ability to appreciate different types of music.

First of all, you should provide examples of Jay's "empty and shallow" songs if you are trying to convince people. Otherwise, you just sound like you're biased towards the person which makes you hate him, making you hate his songs. Unless you're saying ALL his songs are "empty and shallow"...

Sure, Jay may not have the best vocals, but this guy is talented for sure. What I like about him is that his music is very different. Yes, he does tend to mumble, but IMO, I think that's what makes his music so different and unique. Have you listened to 簡單愛, 夜曲, 髮如雪 or 菊花台? If you haven't, I suggest you give them a try...and tell me what is so "empty and shallow" about them.

The fact that you called Jay's singing empty and shallow shows that you do not know what you are talking about or you haven't listened to his songs. I'm trying not to be harsh, but you are stating your opinion as if it's fact...

Jay may not have the strongest vocals but I think he always sings from his heart. 珊瑚海(coral sea) is a good example imo.. it's a duet with Lara and he sings the chorus with a lot of emotion...

i never used to be his fan. i found that, his voice is not powerful and dstinct enough.however he can compose a very fine song,plus with his skill in musical instrument. there is one thing that i can't deny, he first director movie, is pretty awesome and full of creativity and his acting skill is a bit better than lee hom (however i haven't watched lust, caution, yet. hope he got some improvement)

i don't think many of the new comers people have named are better than Jay chou. their vocals maybe better because jay mumbles but his music is incredible. that is enough to make him better than them.

HOWEVER TO BE FAIR: we can't say jay chou is "empty or shallow" because he doesn't write his own lyrics. those are the thoughts and feelings of another person not jay's. he writes the music not the lyrics.

You make the topic and now you're saying its not even a debate and a waste of your energy. But yea i agree it IS a foolish topic.

So now you're claiming that Jay Chou lies about writing his songs? ..omg.
He has been in the industry for 7 years, composing and writing not only his own songs but a large number of songs for other artists too. You really believe that he fakes his music?
Goto www.hitoradio.com and find the composers and lyricist of Taiwanese artist there.

Well, people have diff. opinions about Jay Chou. If people want to say Jay Chou is a good singer, let them... it really has nothing to do with you. I don't really find him a good singer, but I like his songs - he's a good composer. I just don't like the way he tends to 'mumble' his songs.

And what is up with the way you talk?


Stop talking to people like you think they're ignorant and immature, because it's you that seems to be the one like that - not them. You've made your point - people have made theirs, so don't bash them for it.. and tbh I really don't see a point in this topic.

Plagiarism - the unauthorized use or close imitation of the language and thoughts of another author and the representation of them as one's own original work. (Source: Dictionary.com)

Yes, if a singer says "This song is composed by me" I will believe it. Unless there is proof that someone else wrote it. Jay is a public figure. If he is taking credit for someone else's work, it would've been exposed by now and he definately wouldn't be where he is now.

Please stay ontopic people. Which is that new RnB singers are better than Jay(which I don't really think so.)
If you dislike Jay, I'm sure you can find a dislike Jay thead in the critic's hangout OR you can create one.
I'm certain there's a thread on plagarism too so if you think Jay plagarised all his compositions, you can debate about it there
(but how long has jay been in this industry? I doubt he can plagarize without anyone knowing.
And what has he plagarized?)
Anyway, once again, stay on topic!
No bashing, name calling etc. If someone is rude to you, report at the AF Reporting Centre
There is no need to drop as low as that person and bash, criticize him etc in return.

Are you serious?
I can say that he is not that good looking (from a guy's point of view) but
dude...
I am 100% sure he is talented (music) (VERY)
he composes music, he sings it, he plays...um.. alot of instruments.

maybe you just don't like him? haha

No, I don't think he's overrated. To me, overrated means someone who's really famous, but doesn't have that much talents and is only getting by based on their looks.

Jay is very talented, so it's natural for him to have a really big fanbase. He's not overrated because he's actually good at what he does. And he doesn't get by based on his looks, although he's pretty good looking in my opinion.

I don't think anyone can deny the fact that he's talented. I'm not really a fan of him because I don't really like his style of music.

He's a really good composer, writes great lyrics, good at playing instruments and a pretty decent voice (just not as good as Leehom or JJ). Yeah, true, he mumbles, but maybe that's his style. But sometimes, it sounds like he's really straining to reach those high notes.

I do love his song Tui Hou & Hei Se You Mo though.

Yeah, everytime my parents hear him sing, they were like: WHAT IS ALL THAT MUMBLING. The truth is, he can hit all the notes. Even though he is not as attractive lookin as a lot of the singers, but he does have talent and it is a fact you cannot deny. He's albums has gone top-charted for weeks now, and thats a fact. =D

Hm. How should I say this? Well, if he started other people's songs, then he cannot sing. His vocals aren't impressive enough. But, whenever he's singing his songs, it just sounds right. At least to me he does. Plus, he is trying to change his singing voice a little. At least he got a bit clearer for Ju Hua Tai.

As for his mumblings...I pick up a lot of words when he mumbles so that's really not a big problem for me.

LOLS! Good composer. Mediocre Singer! He mumbles to much for me and it gets a bit annoying. Though I like songs that he's composed his voice just isn't it for me.

Exactly the way i feel about him. Lol. Good composer but mediocre singer. I think Jay Chou will do better if he just be a songwriter and that's it. Okay, maybe he can consider being a movie director, script writer and all, too, since he's undeniably talented.

He really cannot sing that well.

Jay Chou can play piano, He is better than Beethovan.
Jay Chou knows magic, He is better than David Copperfield.
Jay Chou plays alot of instrument, He is more talented than Micheal Jackson.
Jay Chou is Cool. Nobody is better than him!!

I think Jay Chou is a good singer, but just not GREAT.
I mean, it's passable.
But the fact that he's an amazing composer and has a special style that no one can copy TOTALLY makes up for it.
:]

I think for composing and writing- praise for that.

I heard Jiro Wang singing "Qi Li Xiang" thought it was pretty good. But when I listened to Jay Chou's version- i have no clue what he's saying. He has this extremely lazy drawl in is voice that ruins the song.