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QUOTE (Peppermint_618 @ Jul 14 2009 12 38 PM) *
Jay Chou since he is talented and i like listening to his songs over and over again. I get bored with a lot of LeeHom's songs and he relies more on his looks more IMO for his fame.

You're obviously quite ignorant. What gave you the impression that Leehom "relies on looks" for fame? Leehom is one of the hardest working musicians out there in the industry. He wouldn't be this successful if he only had good looks and lacked talent.
Cfanboys
Obviously both of them are talented. They also have different styles tongue.gif
iris_es
Both are overrated. Lee Home is slightly and Jay is terrible. Lee home is really capable and can sing well but I think still overrated. Jay image is pathetically immature, bad example, wrong influence. I really want to laugh at those Fan BOYS HA AH AH HA!! Funny, they took years to realise Jay is a Faggot. and yet boasting with Jay around all these years. Rewriting the Fan Boy ugliness in history.
ahjoja
QUOTE (Squeeky.Sneekers @ Jun 6 2009 6 01 AM) *
I prefer Jay Chou. I think that both men are extremely talented, compose all theri own songs though completely different people, its just that i PREFER Jay's style of songs.

to me, leehom's music is kind of too... orthodox. the melody follows the rules of composition to strictly and so its easy to predict what the next section or phrase or even note will be. Maybe, this is because of his high-class education, he's just trained to do what he was taught. this can be a bad thiing OR a good thing. jay has only had a little education in music, compared to leehom. i just dont really like leehoms songs. for me, jay's stuff, especially his older works, such as Qi Li Xiang, Fantasy, Ye Hui Mei and 8 Dimensions are much more creative. I feel like i can relate to his songs better than Leehoms.

in terms of lyrics, i prefer jay's. i actually like jay's own lyrics better than vincents (although the latter's are very good too, very different from mainstream lyrics). My favourites are Qing Tian, An Jing, and Cai Hong. Jays is more simple, more straight from the heart, and sometimes contain lovely metaphors that are easy for an ABC like me to understand. Jay also does not use english in his words (i dont like english in asian songs), except for 'go' and 'baby' occassionally. leehom's lyrics are just... too lovey dovey and sort of cheesy i guess.

singing, i think that nowadays leehom is waayy better than jay, what with the latters 'cutesy' voice and nasally sound. However, in jays early years, i LOVED his voice! much more relaxing and mumbly (i love his mumbling! very unique). Leehom is also amazing at singing, very good technical skills and can manipulate his voice to do basically anything. leehom uses too much falsetto, giving him a whiny voice, whereas jay tries to hit the high notes without falsetto too often, giving him a strained voice. If jay returned to his old relaxing mumbling, i would love it very much, but as of now, leehom's voice is better. but i listen to jay because his songs sound nicer to me! voice quality to me doesnt really matter in picking favourite songs, because, well, even if a person has the PERFECT voice, but sang the horriblest songs, would you still listen to the person's music? not saying that leeho composes bad songs, just trying to make a point.

in terms of background and personality, i do envy leehom for his high-class bringing up and wealth and stuff, but i respect jay more. he is from a broken family, poor, and often had to cook dinner for himself in high school because there was no one home when he returned from school. he is an only child, so often lonely too! he worked so hard at his music, because he knew that that was the only chance to have a good job, since he sucked at math and stuff. he didnt have a comfortable cushion to fall back on if he failed in music. T.T. Personality wise, i reckon leehom is more the gentleman, since of course he grew up that way. But, i believe that jay actually isnt as cocky or arrogant as the media makes him out to be. that is just the image the media gives him, just like how the media makes Rainie Yang 'cute' and Jolin Tsai a 'sl*t'. Its a label, plus i read somewhere that jay says that he actually isnt as cocky as the public thinks he is, he is actually still very shy, and not confident deep within. however, i dont really care about this sort of stuff. as long as their music is good, then it is ok smile.gif.

in terms of looks, i think both are equally hot. except i liked jay's hairstyle during the ye hui mei days better.

that is why i like jay better than leehom. a lot better, actually, though i admire leehom a lot too =)
Major Kudos. It's like you read my mind and translated it onto here. Exactly what I wanted to say whenever a comparison of the two pops up. I totally agree and loved how you described the differences between their music. Yes, I do share the same opinions that Lee Hom's compositions do follow the rules to strictly that it falls into the basket of, I've heard that before or his work sounds similar to others, not the plagiarism way, but in a way of where, almost anyone who has a music background can compose or produce it but Jay's style, right when you hear it, you can sense Jay's presence that is very different and unique from the rest of composers. It's very complex, something I don't hear often from other composers.

Singing, I think Jay has a great voice as well, I absolutely loved how he sang Dong Feng Po in the Incomparable Concert and Ju Hua Tai in the On The Run Concert. These days, Jay is just so tired from overworking and overthinking, it's hard to get a good solid performance from him. I do agree that Lee Hom sings falsetto a lot more than Jay and the only reason why people keep saying that Jay's voice sounds very strained is due to him trying to reach those high notes with falsetto. Lee Hom does do high notes too but his voice doesn't run as thin because he knows how to adjust his voice so that he has room to stretch. But he's been taking singing lessons from a young age so he's learned quite a lot of beneficial techniques to sing for a long time.

I think Jay is just as gentleman as Lee Hom, he pays for everyone's meals everytime. 1.gif Is just that Jay is less expressive than Lee Hom. I've met Jay in person before, he's really cute and at times funny. Who said Jay has no expressions? He does but they're very subtle. I've also met Lee Hom in person too, very down to earth guy and handsome. So it just depends which type of person you prefer to interact with. I admire both and love both but there are always going to be comparisons between the two due to their different approaches in music, different backgrounds, and different directions of how to produce future music. Either way, I support both and many more.

A lot of the people who badly comment on Jay have never met him YET they believe that he's arrogant or ungentlemanlike but perhaps because I've had a reality encounter with him, it makes him so much more human thus I'm found defending him most of the time. As for Lee Hom, I usually see a lot of supporters so not much to clash about. But even though, Jay has a lot of haters, he has one of the largest amount of supporters as well.
jeffreyhadi
QUOTE (ahjoja @ Aug 22 2009 10 16 PM) *
Yes, I do share the same opinions that Lee Hom's compositions do follow the rules to strictly that it falls into the basket of, I've heard that before or his work sounds similar to others, not the plagiarism way, but in a way of where, almost anyone who has a music background can compose or produce it but Jay's style, right when you hear it, you can sense Jay's presence that is very different and unique from the rest of composers. It's very complex, something I don't hear often from other composers.


i agree that leehom's composition sometimes sound similar to other artists, but jay songs sound much similar like his previous songs. another thing is that you will expect jay's next album to be similar sounding like his previous albums, but you will expect leehom's music to be totally different and surprising, either it will be fresh sounding or not your preference at all. and i don't understand about rules of composition, can you mention only one composition rule that you know?

and finally, i think the one that differentiate jay's songs from other composer's songs is his voice. his voice sounds very different from other singers, because of his thin voice texture and relaxed enunciation, in which apparently many teenagers favour that kind of singing. have you seen jay's songs sung by other artists? it just sounds like other singers' songs, trust me. watch jj lin singing hei se you mo or jacky cheung singing ting ma ma de hua. totally different sounding from jay's version and i'm sure many jay fans will dislike it. even jay once mentioned, he didn't want to learn proper singing because he thought he'll just end up sounding like other singers.

QUOTE (iris_es @ Aug 20 2009 9 18 PM) *
Both are overrated. Lee Home is slightly and Jay is terrible. Lee home is really capable and can sing well but I think still overrated. Jay image is pathetically immature, bad example, wrong influence. I really want to laugh at those Fan BOYS HA AH AH HA!! Funny, they took years to realise Jay is a Faggot. and yet boasting with Jay around all these years. Rewriting the Fan Boy ugliness in history.


wow, big jay hater here..haha. but trust me, jay isn't that bad. he is capable of making very good music, well if you can't admit that it's good, at least it is catchy and unique sounding.
ShadoWs Of TomoRroW
Here's what I think and what I feel.
Firstly, I had always preferred Jay Chou more even though I collect both of their tracks.
But why?

It's a whole different view from me for those who said that Jay might be 'repetitive'. It is this style that he has developed into that makes me want to hear more from him. It is the fact that once you hear a Jay Chou-composed-song, you know that it is Jay Chou despite the singer involved that proves his originality.

Language-wise, Jay probably cannot speak good or fluent English like Lee Hom but then again, look at their personal backgrounds. Where were they brought up? Their family background. They have totally different personal backgrounds. Those who listens to Lee Hom's songs would definitely realise that his voice has a little westernized accent to it which makes him sound recognizable. (chinese lyrics + americanized accent)

One thing I have to agree, that Lee Hom does have a stronger voice and is more in-pitched. Songs like 'Hua Hai' is enough to prove that Jay struggles with high notes but that is also why he does not make many songs involving high pitched areas and instead, explores more on the rap part. He knows his style and is comfortable with it. Imagine if he goes out of his style, into something that he isn't comfortable with and he isn't good at and there goes all his fans. He'll be having plenty of discrimation from the media. So, he sticks to what he knows best and rap is where he is at. Ofcourse, like most had said that he frequently mumbles undeciphered words but really, does that make him a bad singer? or a bad composer?

He even admitted once that he sees himself more as composer than a singer. This shows how well he actually understands himself in terms of where his talents side more to. He composes songs that suits his character and style (kind of like zhong guo feng?); something which he thinks he can manage with.

See, if Lee Hom sings a song like 'Huo Yuan Jia' with that slightly-americanized accent; it will sound different and may not be as nice as the way Jay does it.
And Jay cannot possibly sing something like 'Wan Ou'. He'll screw things up.

I really think that both singers are doing what they are at best and applying most of their abilities to their music.

Popularity wise, it does seem that Jay is the more well known one internationally. And once again this may be because of his style. You see, Lee Hom does more of the westernized music and lately, the rock genre which is pretty much what people in the U.S listen to but I think because Jay brings a whole lot of fresh music and a whole new different style that attracts listeners. He is different and no one else is like him.

Personally, I think that singers that develops their own style and is easily recognizable are the ones that make it big.
For example:
Jay Chou
Wang Lee Hom
JJ Lin
Khalil Fong
Hins Cheung

These are the people that you will recognize once you hear their voices on the radio without even the need to ask.

Then there is the fact that Jay Chou directs good MVs and movies (Secret and his up-coming series 'Pandamen'). The concept for Secret is really fresh and once again he explored in his own comfortable range; music. This shows that Jay has creativity and originality.

Acting wise, i think Lee Hom is better (Lust Caution and that Japanese series he did). Seriously, I do not think Jay Chou can act. When he cried in initial D, I laughed till' I cried. But ofcourse you could see some improvement in Kung Fu Dunk and I really wonder how he'll make it for the Green Hornet....in English. But then again, he came out as a singer/composer and not an actor so, I guess that is a point that doesn't really matter but it does count as a talent though.

There ya' go.
So, i'm really not saying Jay Chou is a much more talented person than Wang Lee Hom.
I just want to clear up a little bit on those who says Wang Lee Hom is the more talented one.
I do prefer Jay Chou though as I said, his style appeals to me.

* this post is definitely not meant to offend any of the singers mentioned or fans of either singers that were mentioned in the post; past-fans, current-fans, future-fans or even non-fans. I just wanted to clarify some points and put in my own point of view.*

Have a good day biggrin.gif
ftlouis
QUOTE (sonylover @ Jun 6 2005 9 14 AM) *
Who do you think is more talented Jay chow or Wong lee hom?
I think it's Wong lee hom because he is a good songwriter but also a good singer.
Jay chow is only a good songwriter, his singings skills are really bad. Nobody hears what he raps. tongue.gif

They are both my fav singer. I vote for all.
They grew in different environment. Now they make C-POP become very various.
+ Jay is not only singer, composer but also director, actor. He took a role in Secret if I'm not wrong.
+ LeeHom is very talent too. I admire that he graduated from many famous music school.
They both have beautiful song.
jeffreyhadi
QUOTE (ftlouis @ Sep 12 2009 5 15 PM) *
They are both my fav singer. I vote for all.
They grew in different environment. Now they make C-POP become very various.
+ Jay is not only singer, composer but also director, actor. He took a role in Secret if I'm not wrong.
+ LeeHom is very talent too. I admire that he graduated from many famous music school.
They both have beautiful song.


Leehom is also a composer, MV director, and actor too. just that jay is always over-exposed by the media. leehom also ever conducted an orchestra (HK philharmonic orchestra), in which i think conducting an orchestra requires much much more talent than directing a movie, just that he didn't promote it much to public, unlike jay when the first time debuted acting & directing. just see how the public was going crazy when jay debuted acting in initial D and directing 'Secret'.

QUOTE (ShadoWs Of TomoRroW @ Sep 12 2009 4 08 PM) *
Ofcourse, like most had said that he frequently mumbles undeciphered words but really, does that make him a bad singer? or a bad composer?


i think mumbling makes him a bad singer. in fact, lots of people already criticized him for that.
ShadoWs Of TomoRroW
QUOTE (jeffreyhadi @ Sep 19 2009 5 19 PM) *
i think mumbling makes him a bad singer. in fact, lots of people already criticized him for that.


Yes, alot of people; the media or public listeners has mentioned that his mumbling puts him in a rather negative side. But music is universal. Don't you realise that his mumbling has also turned into, like a sort of label for him. If he doesn't mumble, he isn't Jay Chou. What does his mumbling matters to those non-chinese people who listens to him in places like Australia and the United States of America. They still find the need to look up into lyrics provided on the internet or in lyric booklets. Why would mumbling make him a bad singer? Mumbling would just disallow the lyrics of the song to be pronounced properly. Lyrics could be read out too. So, would you say a person who reads out lyrics clearly a good singer? No, they aren't even singing. No tune, no melody and therefore, no song.

And for those, who says that Jay Chou is overrated and the media hypes up about almost everything he does. Do ponder awhile, why does that happen all the time?

This post is not meant to offend anyone at all, including 'jeffreyhadi'.

Thank You.
jeffreyhadi
QUOTE (ShadoWs Of TomoRroW @ Sep 23 2009 8 33 AM) *
Yes, alot of people; the media or public listeners has mentioned that his mumbling puts him in a rather negative side. But music is universal. Don't you realise that his mumbling has also turned into, like a sort of label for him. If he doesn't mumble, he isn't Jay Chou. What does his mumbling matters to those non-chinese people who listens to him in places like Australia and the United States of America. They still find the need to look up into lyrics provided on the internet or in lyric booklets. Why would mumbling make him a bad singer? Mumbling would just disallow the lyrics of the song to be pronounced properly. Lyrics could be read out too. So, would you say a person who reads out lyrics clearly a good singer? No, they aren't even singing. No tune, no melody and therefore, no song.


Simple. go ask any singing teacher. mumbling isn't a good thing. i always cringe my ear when i listen to jay's songs. although his beat/rythm is fantastic. i always feel excited and cringe at the same time whenever i listen to his songs.

"Mumbling would just disallow the lyrics of the song to be pronounced properly."-->that's the bad thing already. how are you gonna convey the meaning of the song if the lyrics have been already sung unclearly? by looking at the lyrics book? how about if there is no lyrics book and only the song provided? isn't listening to the song with clear lyrics is much better and more comfortable than reading a lyrics book?
if you talk about non-chinese people, that's different story. jay's music is fresh and unique compared to other pop chinese songs.
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