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I have seen lots of people on here say that they are Singaporean or know someone who is. Don't you know that there is no Singaporean race? It does not exist. All the people that live in Singapore are races from other places. In Singapore there are lots of Chinese & Malay people. People that think they are Singaporean are really Chinese or Malay.
yes singapore is a country of immigrants since 1819.
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Singapore has been a country of immigrants since Sir Stamford Raffles founded the island in 1819. Though the Chinese group is clearly the main ethnic category, there are no precise figures available about the exact population breakdown by ethnic groups.
The only official ethnic breakdown from the "Census 2000" shows : Chinese 77%, Malay 14%, Indian 7.6%, other 1.4%, (100% being Singapore citizens + "resident" foreign population).
Such breakdown does not take into account the "non-resident" foreign population which is particularly important given Singapore's size, accounting for up to 18.3% of the total population. Official figures from Singstat show that non-resident population has increased from 30,900 in 1970 to 797,900 in 2005, which translate roughly to a 24-fold increase in 35 years, or from 1% of the population in 1970 to 18.3% in 2005. Despite this huge increase, no further breakdown is given by Singstat.
Ethnic Chinese are probably only a minority group among "non-residents". Among "non-residents" are noticeable communities such as maids, perhaps numbering 150,000, mostly from the Philippines, Indonesia and Sri Lanka. Other communities include those from South Asia subgroups from Bangladesh and Sri Lanka employed as low-skilled workers, and others, including expatriates, whether westerner or Asian, for example, Japanese and South Korean communities.
This official breakdown could be further categorised into subgroups by religion, original region, first or secondary immigration from Malaysia, Indonesia or other origin (for Chinese and Indian groups particularly).
Following figures show that the ethnic composition of the resident population has been stable over the last 30 years, while non-resident population has boomed.
Ethnic composition (%) of resident population Ethnic 1970 1980 1990 2000
Chinese 77.0 78.3 77.7 76.8
Malays 14.8 14.4 14.1 13.9
Indians 7.0 6.3 7.1 7.9
Others 1.2 1.0 1.1 1.4
Note: No breakdown by ethnicity is released for the non-resident population.
Part of non-residents in total population 1970 1980 1990 2005
Resident (=citizens+PR status) 98.5% 94.5% 89.8% 81.7%
Non-resident 1.5% 5.5% 10.2% 18.3%
Demographics of Singapore
The only official ethnic breakdown from the "Census 2000" shows : Chinese 77%, Malay 14%, Indian 7.6%, other 1.4%, (100% being Singapore citizens + "resident" foreign population).
Such breakdown does not take into account the "non-resident" foreign population which is particularly important given Singapore's size, accounting for up to 18.3% of the total population. Official figures from Singstat show that non-resident population has increased from 30,900 in 1970 to 797,900 in 2005, which translate roughly to a 24-fold increase in 35 years, or from 1% of the population in 1970 to 18.3% in 2005. Despite this huge increase, no further breakdown is given by Singstat.
Ethnic Chinese are probably only a minority group among "non-residents". Among "non-residents" are noticeable communities such as maids, perhaps numbering 150,000, mostly from the Philippines, Indonesia and Sri Lanka. Other communities include those from South Asia subgroups from Bangladesh and Sri Lanka employed as low-skilled workers, and others, including expatriates, whether westerner or Asian, for example, Japanese and South Korean communities.
This official breakdown could be further categorised into subgroups by religion, original region, first or secondary immigration from Malaysia, Indonesia or other origin (for Chinese and Indian groups particularly).
Following figures show that the ethnic composition of the resident population has been stable over the last 30 years, while non-resident population has boomed.
Ethnic composition (%) of resident population Ethnic 1970 1980 1990 2000
Chinese 77.0 78.3 77.7 76.8
Malays 14.8 14.4 14.1 13.9
Indians 7.0 6.3 7.1 7.9
Others 1.2 1.0 1.1 1.4
Note: No breakdown by ethnicity is released for the non-resident population.
Part of non-residents in total population 1970 1980 1990 2005
Resident (=citizens+PR status) 98.5% 94.5% 89.8% 81.7%
Non-resident 1.5% 5.5% 10.2% 18.3%
erm... i don't get your point.
Well, i am a singaporean. I take pride in being one.
and i am so damn used to saying i am a singaporean rather than i am a chinese
Well, i am a singaporean. I take pride in being one.
and i am so damn used to saying i am a singaporean rather than i am a chinese
I am a singaporean.
Singapore is a multi-cultural society and comprises of ethnic groups such as Chinese, Malay, Indian, Euroasians and of course foreigners.
I am a Chinese and my ancestors are from China. But I don't think of myself as a part of the Chinese population in China, but rather as a Singaporean.
Singapore is a multi-cultural society and comprises of ethnic groups such as Chinese, Malay, Indian, Euroasians and of course foreigners.
I am a Chinese and my ancestors are from China. But I don't think of myself as a part of the Chinese population in China, but rather as a Singaporean.
Well since someone brought this up.
Then there are also other races that are actually not races such as:
Americans (British)
Canadians (British and French)
Australians (British)
Greenlanders (Danish and Norwegian)
Icelanders (Norwegian)
We often say I'm Singaporean when asked to show that's where we come from, nobody would think of races when someone ask you who are you? Naturally ppl would think of their nationality first.
TRIPxCORE, if you are an american would you say that you are British when asked who are you? or if you are Canadian, would you say that you are French or British when asked who are you?
What do you have against the term: Singaporean?
Then there are also other races that are actually not races such as:
Americans (British)
Canadians (British and French)
Australians (British)
Greenlanders (Danish and Norwegian)
Icelanders (Norwegian)
We often say I'm Singaporean when asked to show that's where we come from, nobody would think of races when someone ask you who are you? Naturally ppl would think of their nationality first.
TRIPxCORE, if you are an american would you say that you are British when asked who are you? or if you are Canadian, would you say that you are French or British when asked who are you?
What do you have against the term: Singaporean?
QUOTE(asalie @ Jul 2 2006 12 30 AM) [snapback]2607338[/snapback]
I am a singaporean.
Singapore is a multi-cultural society and comprises of ethnic groups such as Chinese, Malay, Indian, Euroasians and of course foreigners.
I am a Chinese and my ancestors are from China. But I don't think of myself as a part of the Chinese population in China, but rather as a Singaporean.
You are not Singaporean. There is no such thing. You're Chinese and thats it. You dont have to be from China to be Chinese. Your race is Chinese, there is no Singaporean race. You're a Chinese person from Singapore. Singapore is a multi-cultural society and comprises of ethnic groups such as Chinese, Malay, Indian, Euroasians and of course foreigners.
I am a Chinese and my ancestors are from China. But I don't think of myself as a part of the Chinese population in China, but rather as a Singaporean.
You can say you're Singaporean to show thats where you come from but not use it as your race.
QUOTE(NyteFyre @ Jul 2 2006 12 15 PM) [snapback]2608990[/snapback]
Wow you are darn right - He can't say anything to that reply! 
Oh? Quite the contrary. I do have something to say. Besides that, why are you getting so mad? What I am saying is 100% truth. I never say my race is American. I am Italian. I am an Italian/American. I say it that way to show race, then show country. So if you wanted to say you're Chinese/Singaporean, then that would be fine.
I have nothing against the term Singaporean but people using it in this way makes them seem ignorant to the truth and I am helping them discover the truth.
QUOTE(TRIPxCORE @ Jul 3 2006 10 40 AM) [snapback]2610111[/snapback]
I never say my race is American. I am Italian. I am an Italian/American. I say it that way to show race, then show country. So if you wanted to say you're Chinese/Singaporean, then that would be fine.
Didn't you see the word [[IF]]?Italy has different races such as Roman and Etruscan (I'm only naming two) in the past and made up of city-states so is it ok to say I'm a Roman Italian or I'm a Etruscan Italian, or can I say I'm a Venetian Italian? (as I heard Italians identify themselves closely with a particular region of Italy). I don't think the Italians would do that. They would just say I'm Italian, that is the point I'm getting at.
By saying you are an Italian/American, you are only saying nationality not race.
[Do my text seems angry? If so, Sorry about that.]
QUOTE(RoyFang @ Jul 2 2006 9 48 PM) [snapback]2610493[/snapback]
Didn't you see the word [[IF]]?
Italy has different races such as Roman and Etruscan (I'm only naming two) in the past and made up of city-states so is it ok to say I'm a Roman Italian or I'm a Etruscan Italian, or can I say I'm a Venetian Italian? (as I heard Italians identify themselves closely with a particular region of Italy). I don't think the Italians would do that. They would just say I'm Italian, that is the point I'm getting at.
By saying you are an Italian/American, you are only saying nationality not race.
[Do my text seems angry? If so, Sorry about that.]
Trying to say you're a Roman Italian would be getting way too specific. A persons race comes from a country, not a city. The point I am making is that there is no Singaporean race. There are plenty of Chinese or Malays that come from Singapore but they are not racially Singaporean.
Italy has different races such as Roman and Etruscan (I'm only naming two) in the past and made up of city-states so is it ok to say I'm a Roman Italian or I'm a Etruscan Italian, or can I say I'm a Venetian Italian? (as I heard Italians identify themselves closely with a particular region of Italy). I don't think the Italians would do that. They would just say I'm Italian, that is the point I'm getting at.
By saying you are an Italian/American, you are only saying nationality not race.
[Do my text seems angry? If so, Sorry about that.]
QUOTE(TRIPxCORE @ Jul 2 2006 11 54 PM) [snapback]2608500[/snapback]
You are not Singaporean. There is no such thing. You're Chinese and thats it. You dont have to be from China to be Chinese. Your race is Chinese, there is no Singaporean race. You're a Chinese person from Singapore.
You can say you're Singaporean to show thats where you come from but not use it as your race.
Okay, maybe I didn't express myself clearly in my previous post. In the first place, I have never confuse nationality with my race. You can say you're Singaporean to show thats where you come from but not use it as your race.
When I stated "I am a singaporean.", I was referring to my nationality. And when I said "But I don't think of myself as a part of the Chinese population in China, but rather as a Singaporean." I meant I don't see myself as part of the population in China but rather the chinese population in Singapore. Maybe I should have been more specific.
Alright? And what do you mean by there are no such thing as singaporeans? You are talking to one in fact.
QUOTE(TRIPxCORE @ Jul 3 2006 3 35 PM) [snapback]2611015[/snapback]
Trying to say you're a Roman Italian would be getting way too specific. A persons race comes from a country, not a city. The point I am making is that there is no Singaporean race. There are plenty of Chinese or Malays that come from Singapore but they are not racially Singaporean.
Well I didn't say that Singaporean is a race, maybe other people do.Whether a person's race come from his/her country or contient depends on your definition of the term 'race'.
In everyday speech, race often describes populations better defined as ethnic groups such as the Hispanic or Latino or Chinese or Malay are considered races.
(I would prefer to say I'm a Singaporean Chinese}
In other views on race, people of the world are classified as Europeans, Caucasians, Asians, Africans, Native American (pardon me if I left out some)
To you TRIPxCore, your definition of race is of ethnic groups. If the billions of people out there does not reject the term 'singaporean', there's nothing wrong with it.
People often say, for example: I'm Asian, or I'm European when asked for their races, don't they?
[Don't insult my nation.......if you are implying that our nation is only a city and could not be called a country, Then the modern Vatican City State should be called the Vatican City?]
QUOTE(TRIPxCORE @ Jul 2 2006 7 26 AM) [snapback]2607149[/snapback]
I have seen lots of people on here say that they are Singaporean or know someone who is. Don't you know that there is no Singaporean race? It does not exist. All the people that live in Singapore are races from other places. In Singapore there are lots of Chinese & Malay people. People that think they are Singaporean are really Chinese or Malay.
You speak so much about "race." What is race anyways? It's a socially constructed term that bases its definition almost entirely on one's look. It's also open to interpretation so one person's definition of race may not directly coincide with another person's definition. Race does not have much basis scientifically speaking. You're also assuming that all these people who define themselves as "Singaporean" are using it to describe their racial makeup. I'm an American of Chinese descent. When I say I'm "Chinese," I'm talking about my ethnicity. When I say I'm "American," I'm talking about my nationality. I'm not talking about race either way. For all you know, people who call themselves "Singaporean" may just be defining their nationality. Your heavy emphasis on "race" is questionable.
QUOTE(asalie @ Jul 3 2006 12 50 AM) [snapback]2611068[/snapback]
Alright? And what do you mean by there are no such thing as singaporeans? You are talking to one in fact.
I mean there is no such thing as a racially defined "Singaporean". We are not talking about nationality here.QUOTE(RoyFang @ Jul 3 2006 6 26 AM) [snapback]2611802[/snapback]
To you TRIPxCore, your definition of race is of ethnic groups. If the billions of people out there does not reject the term 'singaporean', there's nothing wrong with it.
People often say, for example: I'm Asian, or I'm European when asked for their races, don't they?
[Don't insult my nation.......if you are implying that our nation is only a city and could not be called a country, Then the modern Vatican City State should be called the Vatican City?]
Your first sentence is exactly what I am talking about. Whoever these people are that accept the term "Singaporean" as a race are incorrect.People often say, for example: I'm Asian, or I'm European when asked for their races, don't they?
[Don't insult my nation.......if you are implying that our nation is only a city and could not be called a country, Then the modern Vatican City State should be called the Vatican City?]
Now, I am not insulting Singapore because of it's size or because it's only a city/state. Don't get me wrong here, I have no problem with Singapore. Actually, Singapore is one of my favorite places to go within Asia. I appreciate how clean it is, how modern it is and how efficient it is. Singapore is a leading example of what all SouthEast Asian countries should aspire to be.
QUOTE(solemnmite @ Jul 3 2006 11 59 AM) [snapback]2612745[/snapback]
You speak so much about "race." What is race anyways? It's a socially constructed term that bases its definition almost entirely on one's look. It's also open to interpretation so one person's definition of race may not directly coincide with another person's definition. Race does not have much basis scientifically speaking. You're also assuming that all these people who define themselves as "Singaporean" are using it to describe their racial makeup. I'm an American of Chinese descent. When I say I'm "Chinese," I'm talking about my ethnicity. When I say I'm "American," I'm talking about my nationality. I'm not talking about race either way. For all you know, people who call themselves "Singaporean" may just be defining their nationality. Your heavy emphasis on "race" is questionable.
You say tomato, I say to-maaa-toe. If you want to use ethnicity, then use that. If you want to use race, then use that. They mean the same thing to me.
QUOTE(TRIPxCORE @ Jul 3 2006 4 42 PM) [snapback]2612996[/snapback]
You say tomato, I say to-maaa-toe. If you want to use ethnicity, then use that. If you want to use race, then use that. They mean the same thing to me.
I think I understand race in a broader sense. While you say you are Italian/American, I say you are white, not olive or mediterranean. While Singaporeans aren't "Singaporean", they are still Oriental - oops, ASIAN. Africans are black. So are those of African decent or mix, like Dominican Republic, Caribbean, etc.Maybe I'm from the generation where you have Black, White and everything in-between. If you want to get into specifics, like Thailander, Filipino, Vietnemese, Greek, American, than that's nationality. At least, that's how I understand it. Hell, if we want to get into specifics, then I would be South Carolinian instead of Filipino-American. Either which way, it's a mouthful. Oriental is fine by me, but nowadays that offends so many people. Times change.
but my mom is a singaporean, isn't it that how people want to call themselves, then let them be?! so if they want to say that they are Singaporean then let them say that they are singaporean. i dont think that it's a big problem if it does or does not matter if your originally from China or malaysia or whatsoever....well i always say that i am HALF singapore and HALF Chinese..and i am damn proud tha ti am half singaporean...=) sorry but i dont really see the problem here.
Butterfly
Butterfly
Then how do you define the race Australian?
Originally it was just a dumping ground for Bristish convicts...
Does that make every Australian really a British instead?
Originally it was just a dumping ground for Bristish convicts...
Does that make every Australian really a British instead?
QUOTE(RoyFang @ Jul 2 2006 3 07 PM) [snapback]2608978[/snapback]
Well since someone brought this up.
Then there are also other races that are actually not races such as:
Americans (British)
Canadians (British and French)
Australians (British)
Greenlanders (Danish and Norwegian)
Icelanders (Norwegian)
We often say I'm Singaporean when asked to show that's where we come from, nobody would think of races when someone ask you who are you? Naturally ppl would think of their nationality first.
TRIPxCORE, if you are an american would you say that you are British when asked who are you? or if you are Canadian, would you say that you are French or British when asked who are you?
What do you have against the term: Singaporean?
actually in canada u would say if you are french canadian or british canadian. french canadians are very proud of their heritage so they wouldnt just say they are canadian they will say they are french canadians.Then there are also other races that are actually not races such as:
Americans (British)
Canadians (British and French)
Australians (British)
Greenlanders (Danish and Norwegian)
Icelanders (Norwegian)
We often say I'm Singaporean when asked to show that's where we come from, nobody would think of races when someone ask you who are you? Naturally ppl would think of their nationality first.
TRIPxCORE, if you are an american would you say that you are British when asked who are you? or if you are Canadian, would you say that you are French or British when asked who are you?
What do you have against the term: Singaporean?
QUOTE(mo_ @ Jul 4 2006 8 31 PM) [snapback]2617579[/snapback]
Then how do you define the race Australian?
Originally it was just a dumping ground for Bristish convicts...
Does that make every Australian really a British instead?
no then u would say if ur british then u'll be a british australian or if ur chinese a chinese australian.
Originally it was just a dumping ground for Bristish convicts...
Does that make every Australian really a British instead?
Hey you Half British or European to be exact. (I'm right)
What is Right and Wrong?
Right and Wrong is for people to definite for themselves.
What would happen to national loyalty is for example in China, when the other ethnic groups suddenly say I'm not chinese? then the national loyalty will be shattered.
How would you feel if the Black Americans suddenly say I'm African not Americans, or the White Americans saying I'm European not American or the Asian-Americans saying I'm Asian not American? Or the Native Americans in USA started to fight for independence again cause they feel that they are not Americans (as in USA not the contient name). Are you going to expel them? If you do the USA economy may fall as all Americans regardless of races helped to contribute to the USA economy. National Loyalty will be shattered to pieces and it will be a long time before National Loyalty will be back in one piece.
TRIPxCORE, I dare you.........to tell an American, he is british. (Just kidding, although you may be beaten if you do this)
What is Right and Wrong?
Right and Wrong is for people to definite for themselves.
What would happen to national loyalty is for example in China, when the other ethnic groups suddenly say I'm not chinese? then the national loyalty will be shattered.
How would you feel if the Black Americans suddenly say I'm African not Americans, or the White Americans saying I'm European not American or the Asian-Americans saying I'm Asian not American? Or the Native Americans in USA started to fight for independence again cause they feel that they are not Americans (as in USA not the contient name). Are you going to expel them? If you do the USA economy may fall as all Americans regardless of races helped to contribute to the USA economy. National Loyalty will be shattered to pieces and it will be a long time before National Loyalty will be back in one piece.
TRIPxCORE, I dare you.........to tell an American, he is british. (Just kidding, although you may be beaten if you do this)
QUOTE(StarrySky_Butterfly @ Jul 4 2006 5 20 PM) [snapback]2617535[/snapback]
but my mom is a singaporean, isn't it that how people want to call themselves, then let them be?! so if they want to say that they are Singaporean then let them say that they are singaporean. i dont think that it's a big problem if it does or does not matter if your originally from China or malaysia or whatsoever....well i always say that i am HALF singapore and HALF Chinese..and i am damn proud tha ti am half singaporean...=) sorry but i dont really see the problem here.
Butterfly
It isn't really a big problem if you want to speak about yourself in an incorrect manner. Your mom can say she is Singaporean but technically she is wrong.Butterfly
QUOTE(mo_ @ Jul 4 2006 5 31 PM) [snapback]2617579[/snapback]
Then how do you define the race Australian?
Originally it was just a dumping ground for Bristish convicts...
Does that make every Australian really a British instead?
Yes, it does!Originally it was just a dumping ground for Bristish convicts...
Does that make every Australian really a British instead?
QUOTE(RoyFang @ Jul 5 2006 4 18 AM) [snapback]2619612[/snapback]
Hey you Half British or European to be exact. (I'm right)
What is Right and Wrong?
Right and Wrong is for people to definite for themselves.
What would happen to national loyalty is for example in China, when the other ethnic groups suddenly say I'm not chinese? then the national loyalty will be shattered.
How would you feel if the Black Americans suddenly say I'm African not Americans, or the White Americans saying I'm European not American or the Asian-Americans saying I'm Asian not American? Or the Native Americans in USA started to fight for independence again cause they feel that they are not Americans (as in USA not the contient name). Are you going to expel them? If you do the USA economy may fall as all Americans regardless of races helped to contribute to the USA economy. National Loyalty will be shattered to pieces and it will be a long time before National Loyalty will be back in one piece.
TRIPxCORE, I dare you.........to tell an American, he is british. (Just kidding, although you may be beaten if you do this)
Beaten? I dont think so.What is Right and Wrong?
Right and Wrong is for people to definite for themselves.
What would happen to national loyalty is for example in China, when the other ethnic groups suddenly say I'm not chinese? then the national loyalty will be shattered.
How would you feel if the Black Americans suddenly say I'm African not Americans, or the White Americans saying I'm European not American or the Asian-Americans saying I'm Asian not American? Or the Native Americans in USA started to fight for independence again cause they feel that they are not Americans (as in USA not the contient name). Are you going to expel them? If you do the USA economy may fall as all Americans regardless of races helped to contribute to the USA economy. National Loyalty will be shattered to pieces and it will be a long time before National Loyalty will be back in one piece.
TRIPxCORE, I dare you.........to tell an American, he is british. (Just kidding, although you may be beaten if you do this)
Look, people can say whatever they want to say about themselves but if a person wished to remain ignorant to the facts and call themselves something they are not, then so be it.
When I talk about myself to someone, I say I am from America but that I am 100% Italian inside. I tell it like it is!
QUOTE(TRIPxCORE @ Jul 2 2006 7 26 AM) [snapback]2607149[/snapback]
I have seen lots of people on here say that they are Singaporean or know someone who is. Don't you know that there is no Singaporean race? It does not exist. All the people that live in Singapore are races from other places. In Singapore there are lots of Chinese & Malay people. People that think they are Singaporean are really Chinese or Malay.
Well your logic only follows if you agree that countries such as Canada and the United States of America are made of people that are not Canadian or American. So do you agree?
QUOTE(TRIPxCORE @ Jul 5 2006 3 03 PM) [snapback]2621005[/snapback]
Beaten? I dont think so.
Look, people can say whatever they want to say about themselves but if a person wished to remain ignorant to the facts and call themselves something they are not, then so be it.
When I talk about myself to someone, I say I am from America but that I am 100% Italian inside. I tell it like it is!
100% Italian = 100% WhiteLook, people can say whatever they want to say about themselves but if a person wished to remain ignorant to the facts and call themselves something they are not, then so be it.
When I talk about myself to someone, I say I am from America but that I am 100% Italian inside. I tell it like it is!
If Italian is a race, how many other races are there?
Italy is a country and Singapore is one, too. But we're not talking about countries, we're talking about race.
QUOTE(bogus_11 @ Jul 5 2006 12 49 PM) [snapback]2621149[/snapback]
Well your logic only follows if you agree that countries such as Canada and the United States of America are made of people that are not Canadian or American. So do you agree?
Yes! Every person in America is from somewhere else. There is no such thing as an American ethnicity unless you count native Americans.QUOTE(hoteggroll @ Jul 5 2006 4 37 PM) [snapback]2621869[/snapback]
100% Italian = 100% White
If Italian is a race, how many other races are there?
Italy is a country and Singapore is one, too. But we're not talking about countries, we're talking about race.
Italian is a creed, race, ethnicity or whatever else you want to call it. Singaporean is not.If Italian is a race, how many other races are there?
Italy is a country and Singapore is one, too. But we're not talking about countries, we're talking about race.
Its pointless for any of you to debate this with me. I'm right.
QUOTE(TRIPxCORE @ Jul 5 2006 11 19 PM) [snapback]2622698[/snapback]
Yes! Every person in America is from somewhere else. There is no such thing as an American ethnicity unless you count native Americans.Italian is a creed, race, ethnicity or whatever else you want to call it. Singaporean is not.
Its pointless for any of you to debate this with me. I'm right.
Why is it pointless? You started this topic... didn't you think anyone would respond? Italian is a nationality - not a race. You are white - that's a race. Singaporean is a nationality - not a race. The majority of them are of different nationalities to begin with (just like America), but they are Asian - that's a race.Its pointless for any of you to debate this with me. I'm right.
You are right about them not being a race, but I think you're wrong about Italians being their OWN race. I'd even go so far as calling you Latin, but Italian isn't a race.
You should start calling yourself Roman or Latin, TRIPxCORE.
Be proud that you are a Roman because of the Mightly Roman Empire.
Forget about arguing. When ppl see you from your facial features, eye colour and hair color, the first thing they would say is that you are European.
Your race is European (the end and full stop), or would you like me to call you an African as all ppl first comes from Africa?
Be proud that you are a Roman because of the Mightly Roman Empire.
Forget about arguing. When ppl see you from your facial features, eye colour and hair color, the first thing they would say is that you are European.
Your race is European (the end and full stop), or would you like me to call you an African as all ppl first comes from Africa?
Race=chinese or malay
nationality=singaporean
as long as you dont say singaporean as your race, it should be fine
nationality=singaporean
as long as you dont say singaporean as your race, it should be fine
Everyone in this thread has a different opinion on what race, nationality or ethnicity should mean. This makes the debate impossible.
QUOTE(StarrySky_Butterfly @ Jul 5 2006 8 20 AM) [snapback]2617535[/snapback]
but my mom is a singaporean, isn't it that how people want to call themselves, then let them be?! so if they want to say that they are Singaporean then let them say that they are singaporean. i dont think that it's a big problem if it does or does not matter if your originally from China or malaysia or whatsoever....well i always say that i am HALF singapore and HALF Chinese..and i am damn proud tha ti am half singaporean...=) sorry but i dont really see the problem here.
Butterfly
You are not a half singaporean and half chinese dude !!! you are a 100% Singaporean and 100% Chinese ..... they are both different thing .. 1 is races and another 1 is nationalities .. can u say A is a half alphabet and half number ...??? NO !!!Butterfly
QUOTE(TRIPxCORE @ Jul 2 2006 2 26 PM) [snapback]2607149[/snapback]
I have seen lots of people on here say that they are Singaporean or know someone who is. Don't you know that there is no Singaporean race? It does not exist. All the people that live in Singapore are races from other places. In Singapore there are lots of Chinese & Malay people. People that think they are Singaporean are really Chinese or Malay.
This is stupid ... !!! Yes ... ppl live in Singaporean are originated from other places but they are Singaporean in a whole ... So y they cant say they are Singaporean ..??? they nvr deny that they are not indian or chinese .. !!!QUOTE(TRIPxCORE @ Jul 6 2006 3 03 AM) [snapback]2621005[/snapback]
It isn't really a big problem if you want to speak about yourself in an incorrect manner. Your mom can say she is Singaporean but technically she is wrong.
Yes, it does!
Beaten? I dont think so.
Look, people can say whatever they want to say about themselves but if a person wished to remain ignorant to the facts and call themselves something they are not, then so be it.
When I talk about myself to someone, I say I am from America but that I am 100% Italian inside. I tell it like it is!
I dont see any problem with his mom calling herself as Singaporean ... she can call herself Singaporean .. at the same time she can call herself Chinese ... there are no problem with it because she is a chinese who live in Singapore ... understand !!???Yes, it does!
Beaten? I dont think so.
Look, people can say whatever they want to say about themselves but if a person wished to remain ignorant to the facts and call themselves something they are not, then so be it.
When I talk about myself to someone, I say I am from America but that I am 100% Italian inside. I tell it like it is!
American is not British !!! they are originated from Britain last time but now they are called American now .. u understand past and present ... they are jus originated but they are not British anymore !!! They are American
QUOTE(TRIPxCORE @ Jul 7 2006 5 27 AM) [snapback]2625737[/snapback]
Everyone in this thread has a different opinion on what race, nationality or ethnicity should mean. This makes the debate impossible
You are the 1 who wrong .... I am very clear with it ....... Singaporean is nationality ... Chinese is races .. and that is the end of the story ...... do u think u understand more about Singaporean and Chinese than a Singaporean Chinese ...???
But isn't that what the PM says? That we are Singaporeans or something?
There is no race such as Singaporean
Because it's not a race its your nationality
Its an indication of where you're from
Race is Chinese Malay Eurasian yadda yadda
Its and indication of your descent and culture
People normally ask you where you're from not what race you are
When someone ask you what race you are wouldnt it be odd?
Because it's not a race its your nationality
Its an indication of where you're from
Race is Chinese Malay Eurasian yadda yadda
Its and indication of your descent and culture
People normally ask you where you're from not what race you are
When someone ask you what race you are wouldnt it be odd?
QUOTE(hoteggroll @ Jul 6 2006 9 37 AM) [snapback]2621869[/snapback]
100% Italian = 100% White
lollz italians arnt white they are from the mediterranean or what aussies call wogs they along with portuguese and spanish people are not white they are wogs...
QUOTE(Kenway @ Jul 6 2006 9 03 PM) [snapback]2627507[/snapback]
do u think u understand more about Singaporean and Chinese than a Singaporean Chinese ...???
A lot of the time, yes I do think that. I study lots of things and read lots of things. I know more than most people in the world and I know that almost every Asian in Singapore is either Chinese, Malay or Indonesian.QUOTE(dDdepthDd @ Jul 7 2006 8 36 AM) [snapback]2629491[/snapback]
There is no race such as Singaporean
Because it's not a race its your nationality
Its an indication of where you're from
Someone gets it!!!! Thank you!!!!!!!Because it's not a race its your nationality
Its an indication of where you're from
QUOTE(kaviii @ Jul 7 2006 8 21 PM) [snapback]2631921[/snapback]
lollz italians arnt white they are from the mediterranean or what aussies call wogs they along with portuguese and spanish people are not white they are wogs...
Wogs? There is no such thing in the world called a wog.
QUOTE(TRIPxCORE @ Jul 7 2006 2 20 PM) [snapback]2628149[/snapback]
A lot of the time, yes I do think that. I study lots of things and read lots of things. I know more than most people in the world and I know that almost every Asian in Singapore is either Chinese, Malay or Indonesian.
than i think u will be very dissapointed with ur own knowledge ... because it is not Chinese, Malay or Indoniesian .... it is chinese, Malay and Indian ... u know the difference between Indonesia and India??? ... go check the world map mr professor .... !!! so pls dont say yes .. it is the worst insult 2 a Singaporean ... 
GOTCHA !!! cool .. no hard feeling ... jus to correct ur mistakeQUOTE(TRIPxCORE @ Jul 8 2006 2 47 PM) [snapback]2632796[/snapback]
Someone gets it!!!! Thank you!!!!!!!
Wat u mean by that ... we spend half the life saying Singaporean is a nationalities ... i don't think anyone said it is a race ..... but u says a Singaporean are not supposed to say he/she is a Singaporean ..... they should say they are a chinese or a malay ......QUOTE(snuggie @ Jul 7 2006 10 51 PM) [snapback]2629337[/snapback]
But isn't that what the PM says? That we are Singaporeans or something?
Yea ... keep to that ... ur PM is definitely the correct 1 because he is a Singaporean
ay i made a similar post .. cept it was cantonese. *sign* it's just weird u know? =/ like if i said i was a californian.
I am an Americian from California.
-it's just weird that's all, nothing personal END OF STORY. =D
I am an Americian from California.
-it's just weird that's all, nothing personal END OF STORY. =D
QUOTE(Kenway @ Jul 8 2006 11 47 AM) [snapback]2634742[/snapback]
than i think u will be very dissapointed with ur own knowledge ... because it is not Chinese, Malay or Indoniesian .... it is chinese, Malay and Indian ... u know the difference between Indonesia and India??? ... go check the world map mr professor .... !!!
Wat u mean by that ... we spend half the life saying Singaporean is a nationalities ... i don't think anyone said it is a race ..... but u says a Singaporean are not supposed to say he/she is a Singaporean ..... they should say they are a chinese or a malay ......
Yea ... keep to that ... ur PM is definitely the correct 1 because he is a Singaporean
I do know the difference between Indonesia and India. Indonesia is a country below Singapore and India is all the way over by Pakistan. Then, if you don't think the racial makeup of a majority of Singapore's residents is either Chinese, Malay or Indonesian, then you are the one who is wrong. I made no mistake. I am 100% correct. No hard feelings. I am not trying to fight with you guys. I am pointing out a fact.Wat u mean by that ... we spend half the life saying Singaporean is a nationalities ... i don't think anyone said it is a race ..... but u says a Singaporean are not supposed to say he/she is a Singaporean ..... they should say they are a chinese or a malay ......
Yea ... keep to that ... ur PM is definitely the correct 1 because he is a Singaporean
This whole topic, which I started, was about Singaporean not being a race or ethnicity. It had nothing to do with nationality. I am not debating nationality. If you wanted to say to someone your nationality was Singaporean, then thats fine. Just like I would say mine was American. But that isn't what my blood is.
QUOTE(TRIPxCORE @ Jul 9 2006 6 29 AM) [snapback]2635434[/snapback]
I do know the difference between Indonesia and India. Indonesia is a country below Singapore and India is all the way over by Pakistan. Then, if you don't think the racial makeup of a majority of Singapore's residents is either Chinese, Malay or Indonesian, then you are the one who is wrong. I made no mistake. I am 100% correct. No hard feelings. I am not trying to fight with you guys. I am pointing out a fact.
This whole topic, which I started, was about Singaporean not being a race or ethnicity. It had nothing to do with nationality. I am not debating nationality. If you wanted to say to someone your nationality was Singaporean, then thats fine. Just like I would say mine was American. But that isn't what my blood is.
Can u learn to accept the actual facts !!! The majority of Singaporean is make up by Chinese, Malay and INDIANS dude .. !!! i think u dont need 2 quarrel about that facts ... because i am typing this mssg right now in the place u are discussing ...... SINGAPORE ... i cant debate with u in other places ... but if it is about the Multi-racial society in Malaysia and Singapore ........... I think i definitely know more den u ..... cos i spend whole my life living in both place
This whole topic, which I started, was about Singaporean not being a race or ethnicity. It had nothing to do with nationality. I am not debating nationality. If you wanted to say to someone your nationality was Singaporean, then thats fine. Just like I would say mine was American. But that isn't what my blood is.
TRIPxCORE, I think you are being misleaded about the majority of Singaporean.
Er.....You said you made no mistake. You am 100% correct.
Then excuse me !!! Do you think you are GOD, who makes no mistake?
Way to go Kenway !!!
The actual fact is that the majority of Singaporean is made up by Chinese, Malay and Indians.
[Indonesians is not a race (the word race is by TRIPxCORE's standard) but nationality.]
Er.....You said you made no mistake. You am 100% correct.
Then excuse me !!! Do you think you are GOD, who makes no mistake?
Way to go Kenway !!!
The actual fact is that the majority of Singaporean is made up by Chinese, Malay and Indians.
[Indonesians is not a race (the word race is by TRIPxCORE's standard) but nationality.]
QUOTE(Kenway @ Jul 9 2006 12 26 AM) [snapback]2637529[/snapback]
Can u learn to accept the actual facts !!! The majority of Singaporean is make up by Chinese, Malay and INDIANS dude .. !!! i think u dont need 2 quarrel about that facts ... because i am typing this mssg right now in the place u are discussing ...... SINGAPORE ... i cant debate with u in other places ... but if it is about the Multi-racial society in Malaysia and Singapore ........... I think i definitely know more den u ..... cos i spend whole my life living in both place
QUOTE(RoyFang @ Jul 9 2006 6 01 AM) [snapback]2638216[/snapback]
TRIPxCORE, I think you are being misleaded about the majority of Singaporean.
Er.....You said you made no mistake. You am 100% correct.
Then excuse me !!! Do you think you are GOD, who makes no mistake?
Way to go Kenway !!!
The actual fact is that the majority of Singaporean is made up by Chinese, Malay and Indians.
[Indonesians is not a race (the word race is by TRIPxCORE's standard) but nationality.]
Are you guys even paying attention to what you're writing? I am telling you that Singapore's population consists of mostly Chinese & Malay people (Indonesian and Indian are both there), then you guys turn around, yell at me and tell me the same exact thing!!!!!!!
QUOTE(TRIPxCORE @ Jul 9 2006 10 43 PM) [snapback]2638443[/snapback]
Are you guys even paying attention to what you're writing? I am telling you that Singapore's population consists of mostly Chinese & Malay people (Indonesian and Indian are both there), then you guys turn around, yell at me and tell me the same exact thing!!!!!!!
Sorry .. Mr. TRIPxCORE ... u are the one who said majority ppl in Singapore are make up by Chinese , Malay and Indonesian ... ok we forget about you not including INDIANS in there .... yes .. there are some Indonesian in Singapore but i think the MAJORITY is not suited to be used on Indonesian in Singapore .....
QUOTE(TRIPxCORE @ Jul 8 2006 2 47 PM) [snapback]2632796[/snapback]
A lot of the time, yes I do think that. I study lots of things and read lots of things. I know more than most people in the world and I know that almost every Asian in Singapore is either Chinese, Malay or Indonesian.
see ..??? here the proof .. dont cut off the Indonesian u said and add Indians that u did not say ... pls
QUOTE(RoyFang @ Jul 9 2006 9 01 PM) [snapback]2638216[/snapback]
TRIPxCORE, I think you are being misleaded about the majority of Singaporean.
Er.....You said you made no mistake. You am 100% correct.
Then excuse me !!! Do you think you are GOD, who makes no mistake?
Way to go Kenway !!!
The actual fact is that the majority of Singaporean is made up by Chinese, Malay and Indians.
[Indonesians is not a race (the word race is by TRIPxCORE's standard) but nationality.]
woooohooo ... thanks
.................. TRIPXCORE nvr say nationality is race .. this 1 i really understand dude ....
QUOTE(Kenway @ Jul 9 2006 9 05 AM) [snapback]2638573[/snapback]
Sorry .. Mr. TRIPxCORE ... u are the one who said majority ppl in Singapore are make up by Chinese , Malay and Indonesian ... ok we forget about you not including INDIANS in there .... yes .. there are some Indonesian in Singapore but i think the MAJORITY is not suited to be used on Indonesian in Singapore .....
see ..??? here the proof .. dont cut off the Indonesian u said and add Indians that u did not say ... pls
woooohooo ... thanks
.................. TRIPXCORE nvr say nationality is race .. this 1 i really understand dude ....This thread was started by me. The point I am making is that it is wrong for anyone to say they are racially or ethnically Singaporean. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT NATIONALITY!!!!!!!!!
ALMOST every racially or ethnically ASIAN (not Indian) person in Singapore is either Chinese, Malay or Indonesian. Want proof? Let us reference the C.I.A. World Factbook:
Singapore was founded as a British trading colony in 1819. It joined the Malaysian Federation in 1963 but separated two years later and became independent. It subsequently became one of the world's most prosperous countries with strong international trading links (its port is one of the world's busiest in terms of tonnage handled) and with per capita GDP equal to that of the leading nations of Western Europe.
Ethnic groups:
Chinese 76.8%, Malay 13.9%, Indian 7.9%, other 1.4% (2000 census)
Thats it!
there is only one race. the human race. there are many ethnicities and nationalities.
chinese singaporean (ethnicity, nationality)
chinese singaporean (ethnicity, nationality)
QUOTE(TRIPxCORE @ Jul 10 2006 10 42 AM) [snapback]2640725[/snapback]
This thread was started by me. The point I am making is that it is wrong for anyone to say they are racially or ethnically Singaporean. I AM NOT TALKING ABOUT NATIONALITY!!!!!!!!!
ALMOST every racially or ethnically ASIAN (not Indian) person in Singapore is either Chinese, Malay or Indonesian. Want proof? Let us reference the C.I.A. World Factbook:
Singapore was founded as a British trading colony in 1819. It joined the Malaysian Federation in 1963 but separated two years later and became independent. It subsequently became one of the world's most prosperous countries with strong international trading links (its port is one of the world's busiest in terms of tonnage handled) and with per capita GDP equal to that of the leading nations of Western Europe.
Ethnic groups:
Chinese 76.8%, Malay 13.9%, Indian 7.9%, other 1.4% (2000 census)
Thats it!
I know wat ur main topic is but i am now debating with u about the Indian and Indonesian in Singapore ... show me where is the Indonesian now in ur statistic ... so don't say u are 100% correct when we are correcting u .. it is an insult 2 us ....
QUOTE(Kenway @ Jul 9 2006 10 49 PM) [snapback]2641361[/snapback]
I know wat ur main topic is but i am now debating with u about the Indian and Indonesian in Singapore ... show me where is the Indonesian now in ur statistic ... so don't say u are 100% correct when we are correcting u .. it is an insult 2 us ....
So now you just up and want to start debating about something else. I never said there were not any Indians in Singapore. What I said was, the majority of ASIAN PEOPLE in Singapore are either Chinese, Malay or Indonesian. I do not consider Indian people to be Asian. Got it?
Man! It's like talking to a wall!!!!
QUOTE(TRIPxCORE @ Jul 10 2006 5 29 PM) [snapback]2641672[/snapback]
So now you just up and want to start debating about something else. I never said there were not any Indians in Singapore. What I said was, the majority of ASIAN PEOPLE in Singapore are either Chinese, Malay or Indonesian. I do not consider Indian people to be Asian. Got it?
Man! It's like talking to a wall!!!!
Indians are asians they come from the continent ASIA so they are considered ASIANS
Yea ... it is like talking to a wall that are under renovation ... because u keep on adding something u never say be4 that ..... 1st u say majority race is Chinese, Malay and Indonesian which i say is Indian .... not Asian people ... so wat make Indian not a races .. and here is ur 2nd wrong fact ....... Indian is Asian ..... and it is a facts .. i know many ppl don't admit they are asian or even themselves don't admit it ... but Asian is so huge it stress to Middle East
http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/as.htm
check the world map if u dont know how big is Asia and all ppl in Asia is call Asian ...
So ur Asian people excuse is not valid .... it is wrong ...
http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/as.htm
check the world map if u dont know how big is Asia and all ppl in Asia is call Asian ...
So ur Asian people excuse is not valid .... it is wrong ...
QUOTE(Kenway @ Jul 10 2006 5 05 AM) [snapback]2642463[/snapback]
Yea ... it is like talking to a wall that are under renovation ... because u keep on adding something u never say be4 that ..... 1st u say majority race is Chinese, Malay and Indonesian which i say is Indian .... not Asian people ... so wat make Indian not a races .. and here is ur 2nd wrong fact ....... Indian is Asian ..... and it is a facts .. i know many ppl don't admit they are asian or even themselves don't admit it ... but Asian is so huge it stress to Middle East
http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/as.htm
check the world map if u dont know how big is Asia and all ppl in Asia is call Asian ...
So ur Asian people excuse is not valid .... it is wrong ...
I give up, it's useless talking to you. Whatever you say man, count me out of it. This is pointless, you're just trying to argue for the sake of arguing and I will not continue to participate. BYE!
QUOTE(TRIPxCORE @ Jul 10 2006 10 44 PM) [snapback]2642925[/snapback]
I give up, it's useless talking to you. Whatever you say man, count me out of it. This is pointless, you're just trying to argue for the sake of arguing and I will not continue to participate. BYE!
That's because ur facts is wrong and u still insist it is correct .......... we are not arguing with u for the sake of arguing ... we are jus stating facts ... we don't want you to mislead others on other ppl country .............. It is fine for thos who live in Singapore or came to Singapore be4 because they know wat is correct and wrong ....... but how about those who want to learn more about Singapore but nvr came here be4 ???.. if they listen to the wrong thing and than go and debate with others about it ... they will be a joke and feel embarrased at the end
I agree. There is no singaporean race. Singaporeans are chinese/malay/indian/caucasian.
when someone refers to be singaporean, malaysian, american, etc.... i think they are refering to their nationality rather than their race.. Like me, i'm from malaysia so i refer to myself as a malaysian and my race is chinese...
Yes, I agree. Singaporean is a NATIONALITY, not a race.
Wait... There's only one race... And that's the HUMAN race. Alien race? Maybe...
Lemme rephrase that, Singaporean is a NATIONALITY, NOT an ethnicity.
Just like us Filipinos. ^^ Filipino is a nationality, not an ethnicity. I think our ethnicity is mixed. O_o
Wait... There's only one race... And that's the HUMAN race. Alien race? Maybe...
Lemme rephrase that, Singaporean is a NATIONALITY, NOT an ethnicity.
Just like us Filipinos. ^^ Filipino is a nationality, not an ethnicity. I think our ethnicity is mixed. O_o
yes i agree singaporean is not a race and neither are australians... i mean like i live in australia.. guess i'm chinese australian.... but if u ask a person who was born in australia of cos they say they'll say they are australian even if their parents are chinese/korean woteva... anways my point is stop arguing about of its a race or not... if i asked people in my uni (ie college) where u from and stuff they'll say i'm malaysian... honkie... singaporian... guess u can see it as a term to use to describe where u are from... if u say u are mayalsian i would assume u are from malaysia if u singaporian i assume u from singapore.... if there is not such word as singaporian then every time someone says if they are chinese, malay indonesian etc should i be a pain and also ask if they could be from singapore as well?! most people would be saying they are chinese if they from china etc or malaysian from malaysia cos they from there! anways yeh other people mentioned this as above i guess..... u get my point
QUOTE(TRIPxCORE @ Jul 2 2006 2 26 PM) [snapback]2607149[/snapback]
I have seen lots of people on here say that they are Singaporean or know someone who is. Don't you know that there is no Singaporean race? It does not exist. All the people that live in Singapore are races from other places. In Singapore there are lots of Chinese & Malay people. People that think they are Singaporean are really Chinese or Malay.
Yes i agree there is no Singaporean race just nationality. So, if someone refering to themselves as Singaporean it means they came from Singapore & their race could be Chinese, Malay, Indian, Eurasian etc.
However, i don't see what the issue you tryin to raise here. If they prefer to called themselves Singaporean let it be b/c they are proud of their country.
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