As we all know, TVB likes their viewers and artistes to be loyal to them. Those who are loyal will be rewarded, those who are not are ignored. Actually, it's like that everywhere, not just TVB. So...

Define what you think is loyalty to TVB. Is it about acting without worrying about the money? Is it about mentioning about TVB once in a while? Is it about complimenting about TVB?Is it about staying at TVB until one is old? Is it about not bashing TVB? What do you think?

I think loyalty means kissing ass to TVB. I'm not kidding lol. Well I also think it means that the star should talk about TVB with a good tone even after they leave or try to hint that they're not against TVB. Like Patrick Tam and Amy Kwok, they state that they're only acting for an ATV series because of the script.


Which artists of the past do you think is still quite loyal with TVB? Why do you think they are still loyal?

I think Louis Koo is still quite loyal to TVB. He doesn't act for TVB, but it seems like he is grateful for TVB for believing in him and promoting him. I think he would do a series for TVB even if the price is not as high or if he doesn't have a contract.

Francis Ng doesn't seem to be as loyal to TVB since it seems like price matters a lot for him. There were rumors that he rejected Triumph in the Skies 2 because the price wasn't negotiable.

Gordon Lam also expressed that he hated acting in series and preferred the movie industry more. I think it would've been better if he just states he likes the movie industry more without adding that part about the series.

How about the current generation of young actors and actresses and or stars? Do you think they would stay loyal to TVB until they're middle age like Jessica/Kenix or until old age like Liza/Adam? and why?

Myolie seems pretty loyal to TVB because I think she feels that TVB treats her well now. Michelle Yip doesn't seem as loyal since she's now working for TVB's rival, ATV, and helping ATV gain better ratings.

Twins, Joey Yung, and other EEG artists seems pretty loyal to TVB. I think it's because TVB lets them act in their series.

How about you? Do you feel that you are loyal to TVB? Give a reason why.

I think I'm pretty loyal. Been watching TVB since I was young. Never finished an ATV series.


Remember to name some reasons, or your post would be deleted!

Define what you think is loyalty to TVB.

I think loyalty is just listening to what TVB tells you to do. I agree with you that its just sucking up to TVB. also i think its being on time and accepting series. but thats not all, i think to be loyal, they have to socialize with the higher executives or sucking up to them.

Which artists of the past do you think is still quite loyal with TVB? Why do you think they are still loyal?

i really have no comment for this. but i guess i would say hacken. even tho hes like really famous now, he continues to do shows for tvb, sing songs, and appear in a lot of their shows. i think hes loyal cause its tvb that promoted a lot. even tho a lot of people say tvb's pay sucks and they dont really care about their actors, but they promote people very well. all the popular famous stars like tony leung, andy lau, etc. all started as TVB actors. no one wants to go against tvb too cause most people in hk watches tvb and u would want to appear on tv to promote yourself

How about the current generation of young actors and actresses and or stars? Do you think they would stay loyal to TVB until they're middle age like Jessica/Kenix or until old age like Liza/Adam? and why?

well.. its obvious kenix isn't loyal anymore which i give props to her. i think shes finally standing up for herself. after so many years of acting, her performance was superb but never gotten an award. rumors was that she doesn't really care about what people say about her and doesn't suck up. after not getting the award, her loyalty for tvb is gone. back to the question, i think everybody is pretty much "loyal". tvb is like a safety... if you succeed in tvb and move to movies but fail in movies, you could always go back to TVB. it would be stupid to go against tvb. i think myolie is definitely a loyal actress. c'mon.. she sacrificed her weight for a series. she films so many series for tvb and always seem happy about it. she doesn't seem like she sucks up as much as like bernice when she sings. shes like a "guai lui" where she listens and does but doesn't really suck up or grab attention.

How about you? Do you feel that you are loyal to TVB? Give a reason why.

loyal? iono. good series i'll watch and praise it. bad series i diss and crtique it. its not much about loyalty to the audience. but i watched tvb since i was little too

Personally, I will watch a series is it is well produced and interesting (to me) regardless as to whether it's a TVB, ATV or some other production. Granted, TVB produces more series that fit my criteria and so I end up watching more TVB series, but I guess that wouldn't make me a loyal fan

As for actors and actresses, I think we are talking about a symbiotic relationship here. There's no question that TVB is the stronger station compared to ATV in terms of ratings. As a result, if an actor wants exposure he or she would want to appear on TVB. Now a true test of loyalty would be if TVB loses its lead in ratings and whether as many actors and actresses would flock to it. But this is probably not going to happen any time soon (which in a way is sad because I think the existence healthy competition between TVB and ATV can only mean good things for viewer but then this probably is another topic...)

Define what you think is loyalty to TVB. Is it about acting without worrying about the money? Is it about mentioning about TVB once in a while? Is it about complimenting about TVB?Is it about staying at TVB until one is old? Is it about not bashing TVB? What do you think?

I think the type of loyalty TVB requires is sometimes a bit extreme. You must be willing to film series when they ask you (no turning down parts allowed!!) and even if you leave TVB, you must be willing to make appearances when TVB asks and you definitely can't bad-mouth TVB regardless of filming conditions or their strict control over your personal life.

I think the type of loyalty that TVB deserves is about being grateful for opportunities and being promoted by TVB. You don't have to stay at TVB until old but maybe the occasional guest appearance should be made if asked.

Which artists of the past do you think is still quite loyal with TVB? Why do you think they are still loyal?

I really don't know about past artists.. but it seems like it really depends on how they were treated by TVB when they were there.

You mention that Francis Ng doesn't seem as loyal cuz money is more important.. but I don't feel like TVB really gave him that many opportunities while he was with TVB. He got the same type of villain roles over and over again and was never TVB's golden child like Louis Koo or Andy Lau, so I can understand why he wouldn't be as loyal to TVB.

Similarly, Stephen Chow had a bad relationship with TVB for a while after he left to do movies.. He started out at TVB around the same time as Tony Leung and Andy Lau but because he wasn't as attractive, he continued in ke le fa roles for a long time. Even though he got his start at TVB he had to work REALLY hard to get his opportunity to shine. I think he has since mended fences with TVB though..

Tony Leung (I love him to death!) has also criticized TVB in the past.. and he doesn't make many guest appearances. He was heavily promoted by TVB but it seems that towards the end of his TV career, he was really unhappy with TVB. He's often talked about the poor working conditions he had to endure and lack of sleep.. Many of these young stars from the 80s were given very little freedom to choose the series they wanted to do and to partake in other job offers.

Actors/actresses like Adam Cheng and Liza Wang have and will remain loyal to TVB cuz they have always been treated well by TVB.. good roles, good money (better than most!), etc..



How about the current generation of young actors and actresses and or stars? Do you think they would stay loyal to TVB until they're middle age like Jessica/Kenix or until old age like Liza/Adam? and why?

I think the same applies to the current generation of actors/actresses. Heavily promoted stars like Myolie and Ron will prob remain devoted to TVB regardless of the success they have with their careers. Ron even has TVB to thank for his record deal!

For some reason though, I don't feel like Raymond will remain that loyal to TVB.. maybe it's cuz of his personality though. I think he will not entirely sever ties with TVB though.. given his family connections..


How about you? Do you feel that you are loyal to TVB? Give a reason why.

Of course I am loyal to TVB!! I watch almost all TVB series.. I'll even finish the bad ones!

You brought up a good point. It does depends on how well TVB treats them too.

As in the case of Michelle Yip, perhaps she does not think that TVB would give her more opportunities, so she left.

As for Raymond, I can see him leaving. Over the years, TVB has been busy promoting Ron and Bosco. There was very little promotions for him. But I guess Raymond doesn't need promotions, as long as he does a good job, he'll get notice....like in Le Lemme Desperado. (I have not watched it, but I see a lot of praises for him and Melissa in that series.) Nowadays, he is included in more higher rated productions, so I think it is TVB trying to let him know that he is important to them. Wait, he has family connections?

Just purely on the topic of Raymond Lam:

I agree with tis me and jadedreams27 that Raymond will probably leave TVB sooner or later, but on good terms. Maybe rather than signing a contract under TVB management, he'll sign those per-series contracts instead (not sure what they're called, but along the lines of artistes like Maggie Cheung).

It's kinda true that TVB has been heavily promoting Ron and Bosco - you can see with the amount of series they have been casted in. It's like force-feeding the audience actually. Ray doesn't really get that type of promotion, yet, he's been in more memorable and heavier roles.

I think he'll be heading mainland like Gallen Lo and Kong Wah to continue his acting career. He's got quite a stable fanbase established already, I'm sure he'll succeed no matter where he goes.

I think Michelle realizes that there is too much competition at TVB.. she is an ambitious actress so I believe she will do what she thinks is best for her career. I do think that she offended TVB when she chose to leave though because there was recent news that Michelle was ignored by some of her former colleagues (Ron, Steven & ?).. I think this might because her former colleagues did not want to piss off TVB. But Michelle is notorious for being a smooth talker so I think she would prob be accepted by TVB again if she wanted to come back.


Raymond's extremely rich family is good family friends with one of the upper TVB execs.. I believe he is considered a "sai jut"..



I think Raymond will have opportunities in Mainland because of the series that he's worked on.. TOB, LWOLAP, FTF.. also, since Raymond studied in Taiwan, his Mandarin is better than most HK actors. I think that is an advantage for him if he chooses to work in Mainland.

Interesting topic. Heres my thoughts

#1 - What defines loyalty?
Im leaving this one out because its pretty much said by everyone else

#2 - Not sure about past artists but maybe someone like Ekin Cheng. Ekin was actually quite treasured by TVB in his early days from being a kid show host to taking up lead roles quite quickly.
Even though his popularity rised in the 90s and he began acting in movies, he was regularly back performing on shows for TVB and made 1-2 series. I think Ekin currently may have lost his shine, u can see he is back working for TVB and has smaller roles in movies. But from his career, shifting around movies, series, shows, u can see he has been loyal to TVB and im sure he is grateful.

Current artist though, i dont think anyone can beat Hacken Lee in being loyal. Hacken's whole career has been pretty much controlled by TVB. Hacken i dont think would be as popular if he wasnt dependant on TVB. Like he said before, during his worst times of his career, TVB would have vacancy for him. In 2002 JSG awards when he received Favortie Male Singer award, he said many male singers who received the award would say "Thanks" to TVB but he claims his "Thanks" was especially meaningful.

Up to today, I believe Hacken is the one singer in HK who has performed the MOST in TVB's variety shows. I dont think Hacken would make much of a name for himself or survive out there (such as acting in movies, breaking overseas market) without TVB.

# 3 - I think we will be seeing Ron Ng for along time. Im pretty sure he doesnt mind staying and im sure he will stay. Even if he gets promoted to death and end up taking up more acting in movies or officially a singer to middle-age... im sure he will still comeback to acting in TVB series or performing alot on shows.

I agree that EEG artists are damn loyal. Notice how many of their artists acts in series and perform on their shows. EEG and TVB have this joint colloboration thing where TVB would hold shows or mini-concerts and allow "only" EEG singers to perform.

# 4 - Unsure, i too have been watchin TVB series since i was small but i can clearly see the downfall of TVB (not just their series but their variety shows) so i avoid TVB series nowadays and end up watching entertainment shows from ATV or Taiwan

Define what you think is loyalty to TVB.

Hmmm... pretty much what everyone has said - to disregard the low pay and poor working conditions, and to accept roles that are offered to you WITHOUT any major complaints. Be thankful to TVB at award ceremonies and keep your image clean.


Which artists of the past do you think is still quite loyal with TVB? Why do you think they are still loyal?

Gosh, I dunno why but when I read that question Andy Lau's name immediately popped up. Maybe it's the fact that out of the four heavenly kings, he's the only one that consistently appears at all the TVB music award ceremonies. He's always there to support the TVB music scene.

And of course all the veteran artistes, like Liza Jie, Dodo Cheng, Lydia Shum, Eric Tsang, Tang Chi Fung, Adam Cheng, Nat Chan, etc. Since their status is "up there" already, I don't see why they would leave TVB in the first place. TVB treats them well, and they're well respected by everyone. Also gotta give props to Jessica Hsuan for staying with TVB for so long too; however she's kinda gained the status for being TVB-Drama's Leading Lady, so I guess it's worth it. I wonder if she will renew her contract.


How about the current generation of young actors and actresses and or stars? Do you think they would stay loyal to TVB until they're middle age like Jessica/Kenix or until old age like Liza/Adam? and why?

Ummm... Myolie, Tavia, Bosco and Ron comes to mind. No particular reason, but I just have this feeling that these stars dont' really have the interest in the mainland market (or any other market outside TVB). TVB acts as their security zone, they got their fame from TVB, and I really can't see them acting in a 'pure' mainland series (note: NOT a joint collaboration with TVB) like Raymond Lam or Michelle Yip (ok ok, maybe with the exception of one or two series later in the future).


How about you? Do you feel that you are loyal to TVB? Give a reason why.

Hmmm... well, it's not exactly a matter of loyal or disloyal, but in general, TVB quality is still better than ATV, hence I'll prefer to watch TVB series. I also grew up watching TVB, so it's kinda a family tradition too. I think another factor which I've remained loyal to TVB is the familiar faces that show up in the series - I practically don't know anyone at ATV unless it's TVB-transferred. =P

I find that Francis Ng turn down triumph in the skies 2 is reasonable. If TVB cannot afford his pay check then that is too bad. This is business. I kinda miss Gordon Lam in TV series. Haven't seen him for awhile, any ideas what is he doing now or if there is any new series he's in.

I actually remember reading that Myolie doesn't mind taking on so many ancient roles cuz it will come in handy if she decides to expand her career to Mainland (where they film primarily ancient series)..

I agree that one of the reasons I continue to watch TVB series is because of the familiar faces..

i think its not that tvb is not promoting him but the fact that he doesn't need the promotion. or should i said he got the promotion already and is already well known. ron and bosco are "new" actors who still need to improve on their skills by doing a lot of series. they also dont have a stable fanbase. think of it this way, actors/actresses like jessica don't need to be in every series to be promoted, they just cast in a few series a year and they are still known. if u think about it, raymond is casted as the male lead in a series with some of the strongest actresses... melissa and sheren. raymond is well known in hong kong but even more well known in china.

by the way, i dont think the fact that raymond is rich affects anything. i think the only thing is that he gets noticed sooner than lets say ron who struggled thru a lot of minor parts. BUT, even tho raymond is in the business less than ron, he is a better actor and more popular and not because of just his looks but his skills.

Hmmm... maybe it's my wording which may have mislead some ppl to think that I doubt Raymond's skills. I don't. I know that Ray is a totally capable and versatile actor, and like Blue Fishy said, he certainly doesn't need that type of promotion Bos and Ron gets.

But I don't know if it's the recent interviews I've been reading about Ray, or whatnot, Ray just doesn't sound like he wants to stay with TVB (in a 'full' TVB management sense - he'll still do TVB series though; I hope you get what I mean). Maybe he wants to expand his horizons, to create new chemistry with new actresses, etc... but sometimes you think that he could (let me emphasize "could" as in, it's totally MY prediction and thoughts) be a little unsatisfied with how TVB is so heavily promoting Ron and Bosco these past two years or so, focusing on these two actors. Although, I repeat, Ray does not need that type of promotion, but I guess it's human nature. ANyway, they're purely my thoughts, so please don't take them too seriously like they're facts or something.

Define what you think is loyalty to TVB. Is it about acting without worrying about the money? Is it about mentioning about TVB once in a while? Is it about complimenting about TVB?Is it about staying at TVB until one is old? Is it about not bashing TVB? What do you think? Which artists of the past do you think is still quite loyal with TVB? Why do you think they are still loyal? How about the current generation of young actors and actresses and or stars? Do you think they would stay loyal to TVB until they're middle age like Jessica/Kenix or until old age like Liza/Adam? and why? How about you? Do you feel that you are loyal to TVB? Give a reason why.

Loyalty, I think is not badmouthing and pay respects to TVB when it's require. TVB is like the big brother because it wields a lot of power in the industry and it's definitely part of HK culture. Most Hong Kong-ians know their artists and TVB knows how to promote their artists really well. What TVB gives them are not money but fame with classic examples like Andy Lau, Tony Leung, Stephen Chow, Carina Lau, Maggie Cheung, etc. Has anyone heard ATV artists becoming as popular as TVB ones? No.

Even when one becomes famous, they still pay respects to TVB and participate in gameshows, award shows, interviews, etc. And yes, TVB is a safety net when one's popularity are not a strong as ever. For example, Liza and Adam's are not as influential among HK (particularly the younger generation as the higher percentage of power among viewers) so they resort to dramas focusing on family shows with TVB giving them a lot of credit and promotion.

As an HK artist, especially new singers, it's beneficial to appear in some TVB segments because it'll boost their familarity with the people.

Of course, TVB doesn't have all the power in the industry. It's really up to the artist themselves in navigating their road to fame. One shouldn't ditch TVB when they just got a bit of fame because you're just digging your own grave if you lose public interest. Andy Lau and Tony Leung has make it to a point in which they have enough steadying power (viewer support) as TVB.

I think I get what you mean. I remember I watched a K100 special interview with Raymond, and Raymond seems like the type who is very ambitious. He gives me the impression that he's someone that knows what he wants and how to get there. If he leaves, I think it would be very quick like Michelle.

Well.....I think TVB is just a platform for all to gain popularity. They will make u work like cow and at the same time pay u little. Of course.....the real money comes in when u are invited for be spokesperson and advertisement.

i think for a lot of actors it is about the money. i mean acting is just like a job, if someone is willing to give u more money for it than y not? but i think kenix kwok was really loyal to tvb always filming series for them until they gave her best actress award to liza. i think chermaine n myolie r pretty loyal to tvb along with ron n bosco

i think that being loyal is to stay with tvb for a long time without worrying about the money. from what i've heard, tvb does not pay that much, but is more of a promotional thing. so i think a loyal tvb-er is one who is already famous but still continues to work for tvb regardless of the price. and one who would do a drama/series without caring much for how much they pay (example like francis above). i think "fay jeah" is very loyal and so is "jun jee wai". mostly the older people who have been with tvb for a long time.



yea me too! i watch tvb cuz of the familiar faces too. the thing is, there's so many new people coming and they old people all leave and then soon the new people leave and it starts over again. i wish it would just stop for a while. i'll miss raymond lam when he leaves. i really enjoy watching his acting and stuff.

i watch tvb because of fimilar faces. even through i do watch some atv, but it doesn't seem like atv comes out with any fresh ideas for their moden time series.

Define what you think is loyalty to TVB. Is it about acting without worrying about the money? Is it about mentioning about TVB once in a while? Is it about complimenting about TVB?Is it about staying at TVB until one is old? Is it about not bashing TVB? What do you think?

Like what everybody said, basically supporting the company and being grateful to them. In a ideal world, I would have hope that TVB will allow their artiste to have their own mind and not always following their stupid rules (like not speaking to Michelle, not supporting their boyfriend, cannot reject a series etc). Then again, this world is a fallen world.

How about the current generation of young actors and actresses and or stars? Do you think they would stay loyal to TVB until they're middle age like Jessica/Kenix or until old age like Liza/Adam? and why?

I think Jessica is a very loyal actress because she doesn't seem to care whether she gets the award at the end of the year but she continues to act even though her characters might be a minor.

Kenix also used to be very loyal until TVB gave the award to Liza then she realized that she is treated badly in TVB. Now she is playing games with TVB and waiting for TVB to give her better terms before returning. It also helps that her husband is willing to leave with her and that gives her better power since their series "Ten Brothers" did very well in HK.

On another note, Charmaine is very loyal to TVB. That's because TVB treats her very well and is constantly overpromoting her. I don't think she dares to leave TVB because she knows that it is only in TVB that she is being treated as the queen.

How about you? Do you feel that you are loyal to TVB? Give a reason why.

About that, I think I'm pretty loyal because I want to see every show that they produced. I've never gotten sick of their series but I seriously want to see some improvements in the way they do things.

it would really depend....if not for money they would be lying..but not totaly true..have 2 b bit of both..but when u worked there long enuf..its da ppls that kept u there instead of da money

I agree with most of the comments made here about loyalty. TVB knows how to promote new actors/actresses so if you want to be noticed it's preferably on the TVB station. I also grew up watching TVB series more than the ATV ones. I don't know, ATV's series quality just don't seem to measure up to TVB and of course I like to watch the actors/actresses from TVB more.

A reason I think that cause to the loyalty of TVB artists is manager. Someone dun wanna pay company for the management, but they soon find out that if they have a manager, they earn less but more safe. Such as Steven Ma. He himself said so.

About Raymond Lam, as a fan of him, I think he won't leave TVB that soon. Why? Because he isn't that type of person. If he gets used with something, he dun want to change it that fast. Such as clothes, he reused his clothes for times. If he joins into China or other industry, he must start at 0. He is also afraid of bother others as well as refusing someone. Moreover, in his mind, half of himself wanna be in the industry, the other tells him to back to family business. Sum all, I think he won't leave at present, even if it's a better chance.

i think that some minor actors & actresses are really loyal to TVB..
u see them in practically every drama serials.
there are too many to be named, sorry >.<

Define what you think is loyalty to TVB. Is it about acting without worrying about the money? Is it about mentioning about TVB once in a while? Is it about complimenting about TVB?Is it about staying at TVB until one is old? Is it about not bashing TVB? What do you think?

Not bashing tvb..and of course some butt kissing to tvb executives is always good!


Which artists of the past do you think is still quite loyal with TVB? Why do you think they are still loyal?

I can't say anything about the rest..since I don't follow news anymore..but Ada choi is still loyal to TVB. There were rumours that she denied signing with atv despite the sum. and despite her many china productions, she still comes back to tvb to film 1-2 series per year. I recall the reason being something like tvb helping her achieve her status..hence she still films once in a while for them

How about the current generation of young actors and actresses and or stars? Do you think they would stay loyal to TVB until they're middle age like Jessica/Kenix or until old age like Liza/Adam? and why?

too early to predict


How about you? Do you feel that you are loyal to TVB? Give a reason why.

No...I've always watched tvb series ever since I was small...and I have continued watching some tvb series simply because ada is in them..but then other than that..I've gone to watching some china series here and there....or old tvb series sadly

With loyalty and think TVB needs to provide a 50/50 ratio. Some can remain loyal to them, but TVB should give them more chances. Tavia has been with TVB for quite some time but they do not give her much chances same with Claire Yiu.

How about you? Do you feel that you are loyal to TVB? Give a reason why.

I think I'm pretty loyal too. I've havent actually seen any ATV series yet.

TVB is known for paying artists very little. They are somewhat biased as well. There are NUMEROUS tvb actors/actresses that can act well and never get promoted. Little pay, biased.. and other conditions which I do not know cause I'm not an actor/actress but this probably why so many good tvb actors / actress have left TVB to go to mainland. (Kenix, Flora, Michael Tong, Amy Chan, Mariane Chan, Esther Kwan(she came back for BSS tho), Gallen Lo(somehow tvb got him to come back too) etc.. However, another reason might be they want to venture into the outside world and search for new opportunities.( what they all say but that's just an excuse esp. for 'some') Some are pretty loyal tho.. but now the lil fa dans are taking over ughh ><; linda, myolie, tavia etc. they can never compare to the good ones like kenix, flora, marianne, ada etc. gosh do i miss the old tvb (:

Some actors/actresses is really all about the money when it comes to signing contracts with TVB. If TVB doesn't offer the amount they want, they usually sign elsewhere such as ATV. I've seen many of them signed with ATV after their contracts expired with TVB, but most of them return back to TVB once their contracts with ATV expired. I believe that they make more money signing with ATV since there aren't as much actors/actresses in ATV compared to TVB. I think there are less competition in ATV than TVB