Hahaha, honestly...sometimes I think that all the tvb artistes becoming singers don't even do that much harm to the hk music industry...I can pretty much say it's pretty screwed up to begin with and the addition of all the tvb artistes just makes it even less worth listening too. But I get what you mean because there are a few out there that are really good but because they don't have the fanbase from acting they lose out in one way or another.

HAHH. Ah, it'd be hilarious if she did. But she says that she just ignores all the criticism and believes that what people say to her on the streets is true. I know somebody already pointed this out because no ones gonna go up to you and say I hate your acting and you need improvement and I hope you get kicked out of the entertainment circle. Hahaha, or maybe she'd sink so low, she's one of the people defending herself

If I saw her on the streets of course I would be like omg you're so good at acting. You are so pretty. Then after that I will walk away and say yeah right. HAHA. When you see celebrities you will say good stuff to them especially if you are young, but I think the older gengerations will say bad things to them.

If I see her on the street I'm not even going to acknowledge her - don't need to give her more attention and boost her ego.

Yeah, that is true. If I ever saw her, I might actually go up to her and get an autograph...just for the sake of like HAVING one. And then maybe later on, I can like put it online and bid it =P

LOLOL.
But yeah, but I wouldn't be like OMFG LINDA YOU ARE SOOO-OOOO PRETTYYY AND I MEAN YOU ARE TOTALLY MY IDOL. Actually, personally, I don't think I would even do that to someone I actually liked. I'm just not that kind of person.
And yeah, I've mentioned it before, who the heck actually bothers going up to someone and go like Yeah, you suck I hate you. ==""
People will, but not a large amount would do so.

I just ROLLL my eyes when fans are like OMFG LINDA IS SOOO TALENTED! She can do ANYTHING. =="" Yeah, okay. I think I'm more talented than her........................... Though I'm not an actress, I can actually DO the stuff I do.

And yeah, the whole composing thing... I'm still DOT DOT DOT about it.

The thread about the composing thing is hilarious in the news section. Somebody there thinks she can sing and is ON KEY. Are you sure about that?She can't even sing a simple song in the one language that she is fluent in.

If someone said that she sang on key then what you called the Four Heavenly Kings who actually sings on key. I would so bid that autograph to make money since America is in a recession. Fast money right there. I think normal people like us are more talented than most celebrities because celebrities who enter the entertainment world because they are not smart enough for the real world. Most of them doesn't even have a college degree. So Linda isn't talented as much as she thinks or her fans think she is

I read the thread about her composing. It's kinda sad for the music industry in HK that being able to hold a tune and stay on key is already considered talented (according to one of the comments). Sad. Imho, being on key is the basic requirement of a singer.

I was never really a huge fan of HK music industry, even though I've been a fan of Charlene, but I won't go off topic.

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If I saw her on the streets of course I would be like omg you're so good at acting. You are so pretty.

To be honest, I can't do that. I mean praise someone when I'm thinking the opposite. I would not want to walk by her; I don't think I will acknowledge her, no offense. I will be hated by her fans (which I might be already) but I will not even say anything or even get an autograph. If I am forced to, like if she asked me, I will probably say her acting needs improving in the kindest way possible. As I know it is quite hard to please all the audiences but it's true and she once said something about those that came up to her all praised her, totally shutting out criticisms that may help her and I think she needs some of that. If she doesn't want to listen to the netizens, well, what will she say after someone came up to her and say she should improve...I don't know what excuse she will make now. But then again, like I said, I will not even voluntarily go up to Linda. Honestly though, I don't even want to star chase any HK artists.

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^the woman, or sl*t she refers to has no emotion when she speaks whatsoever. Pretty much monotone. Scheming hmmm, Paris is an attention wh*re, not an evil plot setter. And if by hated(Linda), she means by viewers......not exactly sure if it was the character;). But if its Paris she's talking about...yeah it is sad that some people actually fall for someone so fake...guess everybody likes somebody.



I'm sorry, but this section just calls for a (call it a stand-in facepalm) since AF doesn't appear to have a barf emoticon. I don't even need to pick at this one

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Linda Chung's non-naughty image has already been integrated into the audience's heart. It truly is time for a change. In "A Journey Called Life", she acts very as a naughty girl, but in "The Gem of Life", she further takes it up a notch. Removing her bathrobe, she climbs onto bed with me. This is completely different from her previous portrayals, making her look more real and have more character. "Wah. When I first started, I really had no idea how to act. I'm naturally not naughty at all, you know, I don't smoke or drink, I haven't even been to Lan Kwai Fong. For me to jump to another extreme, it really is quite a challenge!"

Haha..really? She took it up a notch? I don't think so, because if there were scenes cut from AJCL and GOL, she acts the same way. I wouldn't exactly call it taking it up a notch.
...no one is naturally naughty, but I mean seeing how obedient she is to Lok, I'd say she's more scared than anything else. I mean, Lok brings you the popularity with the overpromotion and she can pretty much take it away too.

Hahaha, and you know..even if someone went up to her on the streets and started bashing her, i doubt it would be released to the media.

that's true,but if someone recorded it and put it on tubeyou then it is a different story. headlines will be line Ms.Lok favorite Linda Chung is actually hated by so many people,yet TVB lies that many people like her, haha

this woman is totally dumb, everyone knows that Paris is naughty but no one think she s evil.
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i met Paris twice and she s really HOT, not like Linda in GEM

I don't think it is work and they will say ONLY one or two person hate linda. Seriously, she was heavily criticized before this but how could they pretending nothing happened and she is favoured by everyone? Not going to say that she is hated by everyone but she got quite a lot of haters.

I dont think she is favoured by everyone.i think ms.lok forces people to use linda. by using linda, the company will have opporunities to work with tvb.

where do you meet Paris? Like are you her friend or like you are sombody just standing in the sidelines looking at her?

OMG, help me, cant believe my eyes, Linda teaches acting to someone, her acting isnt better than anyone

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haha now she is a teacher, what else she can be????she shouldn't be teaching cause she needs to be teached first. it will be funny if her student turns out better than her in acting.

................what??! ahaha I just can't see that ending well. You know, you should at least get your own acting to what you would expect from someone with that much experience or at least a passable "somewhat convincing" level before you start teaching others. She's the one who obviously needs improvement.

Haha, honestly..what I have to say to this:

She's in no position to teach.

Surely, she can tell others of her own experiences and what she's learned through acting.
Honestly, I wonder if it's people like her that teach the Miss Whatevers how to act these days.

Experienced TV actress my a$$. God I'm really, really sick of her.

She really thinks highly of herself doesn't she? Linda Chung, it's probably a good idea to be more humble.

She needs to think, which she probably doesn't, before she opens her mouth. Gaaaaaah!!

BTW, I haven't found a single person who's seen her act praise her. We all think she's a horrible actress, and an even more horrible singer!!

Hahaha, she doesn't which is why in all the interviews that I've seen of her, back when MR was being filmed and the promotion days, all she did was laugh that annoying giggle.

And she never replied with anything witty like some other actresses and actors do.

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Yeah, like telling her own experiences and stuff and maybe giving tips is like pretty good, but TEACHING? Errr...and actually making comments like "overall performance is not bad , with room for improvements" is not suitable. It makes her seem like she thinks she is a senior or something. And truthfully "overall performance is not bad , with room for improvements".....EVERYONE says that. Give more comments at least =="

even veterants dont say that, "with room for improvements"???, they only give some tips, she thinks who she is, and her speaking skill is really bad, wonder how could she won MIC

Hahahaha, yeah comments would've been nice since everyone else does say that. I think my main problem is that she's trying to act all experienced with her words and stuff by critiquing her juniors. I mean, confidence is good but she's coming off more as arrogant to me. Hahaha, and I don't think anyone can ever go wrong being humble. She should try that.

Actually the room for improvement part, I find that people always mention that even when talking about themselves just because it doesn't matter how good they are already, they should always try to improve with each job they get, imo.

haha you guys are picking on her already! LOL. and the news was just around a few hours ago? my god i havent been here for so long! i have to say it is great to read what others feel abt this girl (negatively). but seriously she think she can do everything! god! acting, singing, modeling, composing! whats next! designing! haha. and now shes teaching someone how to act! my lord! what in the world! she should get some classes on everything shes trying to achive before teaching others.

^ Oh trust me, perhaps designing her own album cover will be next. OH then she'll be like an author like many chinese artists have done... (OMFG IN CHINESE TOO. Now we'll be wondering if she actually wrote it herself too) then maybe she will write her own lyrics too. (The whole composing thing still needs to be cleared up man... it just doesn't seem very possible that she compose all by herself. I mean even with help, it doesn't seem possible if she only completed like what, grade 5/6 piano?)
Actually, seriously, has she ever said anything about her chinese level? Like, it just seems like we are automatically thinking that her chinese sucks (cuz her speaking is like ehh so-so.) But has she actually said if she can read her own script, how much she can read/write? Cuz I grew up in Canada too, but my chinese level is like pretty good, can read and write in both trad and simplified chinese. So I don't want to like assumingly judge her without actually knowing.

flor.a;
Yeah, well everyone probably still has room for improvement, no matter how good they are. That's why all people basically use that and probably to seem less arrogant as well. I mean if someone thinks they are the best, no improvement needed...then...yeah, not that good.

you don't need to have such big reaction when you heard she composed her own song, modeling or do commercial. Every artistes are doing such thing nowaday.As for she is heavily promoted by TVB, i think she can't do anything. Although it's unfair to the other when they are lack of promotion but you can't expect TVB can promotes everyone. In every series, they still need supporting role. TVB did promote other too just like Bosco Wong, Sonija Kok, Myolie Wu and more.TVB promoted Linda because I think they are lacking of artiste. Raymond Lam, Bosco Wong, Ron Ng, Charmaine Sheh, Myolie Wu were promoted very fast too and not only Linda. The thing I agreed with you that her acting isn't that good but many Taiwan artistes are promoted eventhough they can't act so it's not a big problem.

TVB IS LACKING ARTISTS!? Noooo...waaaayyy...they have more than enough artists that they can promote, not just only Linda Linda Linda Linda. I mean...I see potential in other TVB artists such as Natalie Tong, Selena Li, Sharon Chan, Nancy Wu...that is definitely NOT lacking to me. I mean seriously..if these girls were given roles and promotions like Linda, they might could achieve the same - or even higher - success. They just choose to spend more time and effort in promoting her instead.

I understand that Raymond, Bosco, Ron, Charmaine and Myolie have been promoted very fast too, but that was only a period of time. Linda on the other hand is still fastly promoted from since I don't know till now and maybe in the future. None of them did what Linda is doing and doesn't say want to do this and get this, but I might be wrong. In TVB there are way more potential actresses than Linda herself put together. Like what MANGO had mention. TVB will never lack actress, TVB lacks potential actress who are not given the opporunity to be first lead cause Linda takes all of it

Yeah, I agree, especially about the actresses with potential.

Honestly, sometimes I think Linda's still being promoted crazily because she hasn't received the same amount of love from her fans as the other artistes that have been promoted. Or maybe her speaking skills just killed it for her.

HAHAH, honestly...if the company made her design her own cover. It's fanservice but not like any of us would care. Unless she decides she wants to start designing.

Soon enough she wants to be a director for her own MV. LOL.

Either way what she wants to do, she needs to do one thing at a time. Don't go around trying to do this and that when you are not even good at one thing. With her status with TVB, she can reject stuff that she doesn't want to do, but no accepts them or all or request to do more than what she has to do.

Just hugely comical for someone who is composing or who have composed 5 songs for her new album (which she keeps telling everyone when asked about her new album) - see can't even enter music notes with the right lyrics when singing at the IFPI awards, fumbling all over at the start and then she rushed her songs not matching the music and at the end when she has a chance to show off her vocal range if she has one, to finish her song nicely, but NO it was a dead range (not melodious and no range to pull of an ending of a nice song) What a waste of composer's effort to make a lovely song sung so badly by an air-head.

(see 3.35 -live urls are not allowed in your usergroup- hahahahahaha

I always doubted/suspected when she claimed she composed two songs for her 1st album that she paid someone in Canada to do it for her somehow. Now it is five/six songs, it is a laugh and a half.

First she made a joke of the acting industry, with no acting skills you can be famous just get over-promoted. Then she made a joke of the singing industry, with no musical talent, she can be the BEST FEMALE LIVE PERFORMER and get the TVB8 GOLD NEWCOMER AWARD. Then she made fun at Composers, by just humming tunes when inspiration comes to her and record on her cellphone and pass on to her producer to produce a song. She just said that again at the Blackberry Storm promotion that she will be using the Blackberry Storm Cellphone to record tunes when there is an inspiration - what a laugh. Composers should not be composers - they should just get a lot of people to just hum tunes and send to producers - I just can't stand her fakeness. How can she make a fool of the entertainment industry. If she says she is composing 5-6 songs, it cannot be true- this is absolutely ridiculous. What a fake !!!

Then I just recently saw her on a recent interview talking about her modelling outfit which she said is not a sexy range and that it is the coming summer range of style. When asked about Kate Tsui joining the music industry, she said that she would like to learn some dancing skills from Kate. She said people commented about her (Linda) lack of ability to move her body and she will learn dancing. She will also want to move from good girl image (jade gir image) slowly to more sexy image slowly. She don't want to do this in a hurry to avoid audience not accepting her change but will change a little at a time to more sexy style. (OMG.... another want from her.. I am sure Ms Lok will help her get there ... )

At least Myolie was more humble about taking up a sexy style, Myolie at an interview said she don't have the body for sexy.. Well Linda thinks she can do anything.

At the IFPI award she can't even speak calmly and sensibly - "eg I will work hard and will not be lazy" she thinks that is the only attribute to be a singer... how about good vocal and talent.. huh... what is wrong with her.

She is planning 2 fast songs and will be dancing to it (competign with Kate I suppose - I don't think she wants anyone ahead of her)

She will probably want to direct her own Music MV one day - if Ms Lok can help her

The more she want to venture into everything without the right skills, the more I can't stand her..

myfavartist;
OMFG WTF. SHE GOT BEST LIVE PERFORMER!? ARE YOU KIDDING ME!? FROM WHAT?
Are you sure? Cuz i don't recall hearing ANYTHING about this, and I think if she did win that, we would've known by now. It would've probably been all over the news too
and omfg, sexy image? Errr..yeah okay, good luck with that. I still see her more with her good girl image. I don't think I will be used to her being in a sexy type of image =="
HAHA. So did she actually SAY that she hums tunes and asking the producer to produce it? But hahahhaa, even if she didn't the whole thing about recording the tune with the Blackberry Storm Cellphone kinda gives it away. I mean she COULD record it then go home and write it out....but yeah, you know, I don't think so.

LOLOL, directing her own MV? Nah, I don't see her there YET. She probably wouldn't making these stupid requests until she's had more experience with FILMING them first. I think writing a book/designing seem more reasonable to her next topics on her to-do list. But whatever, she still has to brush up on her acting and singing and composing first.



No one is saying that other artistes aren't being promoted. There's a lot being promoted. We are talking about being promoted SO FAST and maybe even OVERpromotion (okay, what the heck. NOT maybe)
Like after like what 5 supporting roles, she gets lead roles ALLLL the way, or either very important supporting roles in grand productions.
Go look at her wikipedia page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linda_Chung
In about TWO years time, she gets leading roles. AND how many supporting roles did she get in those two years? FIVE! AND most of them are like important...Like VOH, Always Ready, Bitter Bitten. <- you know what? Make those second leads, not supporting role.
Then starting from Heavenly In-Laws, she gets lead roles then on. Except like HOG, TGOL, but those are allll lead roles. PLUS we see her face everywhere as well.

Like, I duno, since I followed TVB, I always see those beauty pageant winners first appear with roles that are quite small, not like second lead types. Like they get like special appearances or they are like some sibling of the first lead or something. But nothing of that case with Linda?

I guess Charmaine Sheh was also kinda promoted fast as well, but it didn't bother me that much, probably cuz I didn't even care about TVB at the time hahahaha. ^^ But I think she's also gotten like second lead roles even after getting lead roles?
But I duno, I personally SEE more in HER than in Linda. But that of course, is just preference and different opinion.

And like MANGO. said, if they are promoting Linda SOO much, I don't see why they aren't promoted OTHER artists. Like Selena for instance, has been in the industry for like the same time as Linda, but Selena has ONLY gotten supporting/second lead roles... I personally see lots of potential in her, but where the heck is TVB going? Over to Linda Street.

EDIT: oh, and I think Linda has a singing teacher? But I don't think that the teacher is probably that famous, unlike ex. Wong Cho Lam who has Teresa Carpio...cuz no famous ones want her as a student But then again, maybe all companies like hire some teacher for them...No idea how the student-singing teacher thing works. Of course some of them, they actually see potential and probably offer to teach or something.
Like, the teacher was probably hired by TVB to teach her or something...but maybe they should hire a better one...cuz no progress much....

I found it listed under -live urls are not allowed in your usergroup-

Metro Radio Newcomer Presentation: Best Live Female Performer 2008
Metro Radio Hits Music Award Presentation: King of New Singers Award 2008 (Female)

She got these at the end of last year - does she deserves this? Of course not... just another TVB arrangement for her win ...

Just like the album selling. In order to reach the gold disc they have to reach 20K copies of album but they lowered the grade for 15K in the Linda's year. I wonder if this is coincidence or just for Linda.

It's very normal if she didn't get it because it is her first album but they are obviously too bias and overdo something to make Linda better. Just like someone said it, they don't want anyone is ahead of linda because raymond reached gold disc for his first album.

hey you guys know what i m thinking about her "image"
she calls herself as "jade" or "healthy" but what do you guys think?
what does "healthy" mean? her body, oh nono, so skinny
or her "image" cleans? dont think so, she survives by her rumor with Raymond, so what s a point of "jade"?

Well I am not surprise that they will do anything for precious Linda. Anyway blind can see that her entry into the music /singing industry is so easy and smooth sailing. She finished Moonlight Resonance and immediately came out with an album in Aug 2008 before Myolie, Bosco and even Raymond, so she can ride in the MR success to expose her singing to more fans. So much promotion for her - she get to go to Canada, then US with Raymond to promote her album. Then her album came out with another version with 9 MVs. All to help her sell her album.

Then the gold disc lowered the number of copies to 15k - what a coincidence.

She even have time in her filming schedule in grand productions (MR, TGOL) and AJCL to hum songs to compose her songs. I just can't get over this..

Until she stop being so ambitious and trying to overtake everyone without adequate skills, she will always be criticised by me cos she is a real joke to me.



@richboy, talking about her "image" I want to laugh.

She said in a recent interview after her modelling of summer outfits that she does want to be sexy but because there are a lot of unhealthy news about the entertainment industry, she has to stay with the "healthy" image. I think she means "good girl" image. This comment was after she said she might want to slowly move from good girl image to sexy image.

By her saying out loud this type of stupid things, makes me feel she has no brains. So does she mean she stays in a healthy image can help the entertainment industry or does she mean she stays in a healthy image so that she don't get influenced.

She contradicts her comments so much. She wants to move to sexy image but wants to stay healthy meantime. Isn't she a fake? Can she not decide to do just one thing and do well.

Anyway if she is so jade girl, why is she surviving on the rumour with Raymond, and try to play bad girl like Elise role when she wants to be jade girl.

What is jade girl... she is so unreal?

raymond released an album before her. Raymond's album was sold out less than a month and his album reached gold disc in 3 weeks and i wonder how they count linda's album because they counted raymond's album selling result in a month but linda for months and she didn't reach 15k before that but she made another version.


Well, according to rayda rumor, they wrote fung chasing linda and linda always reject raymond. They even wrote raymond waited linda outside of the girl toilet and when she came out linda quickly ran away and raymond kept chasing her.....

OMG, i cant get over this woman, her image is so fake
her album, as long as there are her fans and waste money to buy 2 copies of her album, then she can reach gold, but what s funny is that 9 MVs for second version.
i dont think she doesnt have brain, she s so smart to stick into Ms Lok or Raymond to ride her popularity

this is why i have to speak out my mind in her hater thread. It's ok if raymond and linda like each other but it seem like not. When raymond won something she will stick to him but when he didn't win something he will stick to other.

no, she released her 1st version in Aug, Raymond in Sep, you can check that, then she got 2nd version 1 month after that or something
Raymond has talent, so he has music fans like someones i know even they dont like his acting, but Linda, only her series fans buy her cd, i have never met anyone become her fan buz of her music


and you know, she tries hard to create her rumor with Raymond.
during Astro, she sat with Moses, but she wore ring on her ring finger, seem like that, she could both spotlight with Moses and Raymond

that one is raymond's second album. Raymond released his first album in 2007.


she always hinting that raymond dating with her =.=

When Linda talks she sound like the sterotypical dumb blond, but she is just dumb chinese.

Wasn't her cd not doing well the first time when it release that why the redo it and add 9 mvs, so people would buy her cd???

i don't think she was ever supporting actress. i think when she first started beside VOH, she was second lead like Bitter Bitten and Always Ready because Shirley and Linda were main in BB and Charmaine and Linda and AR. As a matter of fact, I don't think Shirley was even main for BB because most main lead would go with main male lead, but Shirley didn't go with Benny which I hated so much because Linda went with Benny. So technially I'm thinking that Linda was lead there and Shirley was second lead.

haha, i wanted 2 clarify that Raymond didnt ride on any series to make fans buy his album. his 1st album was in Dec 07, and he didnt have any series at that time, he started with his own talent, but Linda, she had MR and then GOL


haha, Linda is great example of Bimbo, but is she pretty? dont think so, but can assume that since she s MIC

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I think she is a supporting in Always ready even her screentime make her like a lead. Her face is not printed for the cover of Always Ready. Well, this is not really weird, it is? She suppose to be a supporting cast in HOG, doesn't she? but she looks like a female lead there.

Actually in the poster, she looks like not very important for that series but when u watched it, it is much important that you expected.

so i think TVB cheat viewers with their posters, would viewers watch series with new face as lead look from posters? but after watch the show, most people think she is lead. and in AR, she was lead imo cuz she paired with male lead, Ekin

I'm not the only one who gets that kind of feeling too. Im surprised there's so many fakers on Fb.

ROFL I seriously love myfavartist's replies ^^
But wtf, so she seriously won Best Live Performer?! Omfg, that is obviously TOTALLY rigged. I mean, seriously. That is so not possible. Best Live Performer? PFTTTT. My FOOT.

Anyways, it really does seem like the rules are like bent for her. Just coincidentally they change the Gold disc award to 15k. And 9 MV's in the second version. The only reason why she got to 15k was cuz she had to release a second version. Still can't compare to Ray where he only had one version =="" I think the reason to release a second version for people, is to 1) either to make more money cuz the person is famous enough to have fans that buy everything or 2) Cuz the first album didn't sell so well.

Renne;
==" wtf, Fung chasing Linda? Err, yeah that's the funniest story I ever heard. ROFL, wtf, waiting outside the washroom and then Linda ran away..... :rolleyes Sounds like some made-up report to me.


Yeah, I agree. They either like her through her series, or guys think she's pretty. I remember watching Always Ready with this guy, and then my mom walked past and she was like UGH LINDA, I DONT LIKE HER. And then that guy was like "Aw why? She's so pretty!" I'm just like :rolleyes
Looks aren't everything, doesn't mean there isn't something else to dislike.
But yeah. There was this one guy that was like, you all just don't like Linda cuz you're jealous that she's prettier than you (and mind this, this was on like forum, not someone I know personally). And wtf, okay so what if she is prettier than me, I LOVE a lot of female artists that are prettier than me. I actually duno someone I like that is like really ugly. ==""


Yeah, exactly. I would think she was lead in BB too. But I didn't watch that, but I know she was paired with Benny. =="" Gosh, exactly, she gets a "lead role" after like 4 series.


Like richboy said, the posters don't mean anything. I am pretty sure she is considered second lead in Always Ready...considering she was paired with EKIN. So yeah. And hahah, yeah, she was SO female lead in HOG. Though she is named supporting cast, but I see her as one of the female leads.

So my point is that she is so overrated and overpromoted!!!!! Just in 2008, we saw her in FIVE series. (Though only for 5 episodes in Forensic Heroes, but whatever, we still saw her). We didn't even see other Fa Dans and Siu Sangs in that many series last year!!!!
I'll be counting how many series she has this year. Probably and hopefully not as many.

It's either she likes to create rumors for herself so that she won't fade away or she doesn't really know how to talk in public. Honestly, I think that almost every celebrities out there are better looking than normal citizens. Gee, they're celebrities for a reason; their face/image is really important.
They always bend rules to fit Linda's criteria.