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JeLLieZ
ohhh its sad...
the boys are getting too skinny!
whenever i see the picture i feel bad for them!
they need to fatten up a little and get some rest!! >_<

btw does anyone have the
mp3 of Xiah Junsu singing Resignation?
if anyone could upload it or give me the link..it would be greatly appreciated!
i-know
jjjustine:HeHe.........my comp doesn't have a dvd burner.....can't upload it.......sorry......but most of the contents can be found in youtube already.......they just missed the interview part(i think)

Finay:I'm not sure..........because the mag really wrote it like that......it's an interview.......maybe we are the ones who are too sensitive........think too much whenever the boys are being shot with girls around them......maybe they are ordinary friends?Who knows?

But guys,i've got something to share......it's about our boys and Lee Soo Man read it!


I got this on myspace from a fan, Pass it on DBSK FITTING!!!!!

SO I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE IN: COMPLETE FORUM N FOUND THIS
IT MAINLY TALK ABOUT THE ABUSIVE SINGERS SUCH AS DBSK, H.O.T, SHINHWA HAVE TO ENDURE
I BELIEVE THAT MANY OF U WONT AGREE BUT I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID HERE.
NOT LONG AGO,,, SEVERAL MONTHS I GUESS
THERE WAS A POLL HOLD BY A TELEVISION PROGRAM OR SOMETHING SIMILAR.. TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH MONEY KRN CALEB MAKE
TO OUR SURPRISE, NEARLY 70%OR 80% OF THE CALEB MAKE ONLY NEARLY 1MILLION WON=$1000 ON A PROJECT
N VERY LITTLE PERCENT EARN MORE THAN 5MILLION WON
N I KNOW THAT THE POLL IS TRUE
I DIDN'T HEAR IT SOMEWHERE
I ACTUALLY SAW AN ARTICLE OF NEWS ABOUT IT
NOT JUST SOMEONE TOLD ME OR SOMEONE ON SOME FORUM POST A TOPIC

AND REMEMBER TO ALWAYS BE DBSK FAN (IF U R). ONCE A FAN, ALWAYS A FAN. REMEMBER THAT. IF U GOING TO JUST FORGET THEM AFTER THEY R NOT THAT POPULAR ANYMORE, THEN DON LIKE THEM FROM THE START (JUST LIKE THIS STUFF IMMA SHOW U SAY)
.. IMAGINE U R A STAR AS BIG AS DBSK... RECEIVING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF LOVE, ENCOURAGE WORDS FROM UR FANS.. AND ONLY TO FIND OUT LATER THAT IT WAS ALL LIE
THAT ALL UR PASSION, ALL YOUR WORK TO KEEP THOSE LIES ALIVE ARE WORTHLESS...
LIKING THEM NOW, FORGET THEM LATER ON WILL ONLY LEAVE DBSK'S WITH HURTFUL SCARS...

HERE GO THE ~

N I KNOW THIS IS LONG.. BUT IT REALLY WORTH READING...
I READ IT TWICE..

"Okay - here's how the whole story goes... Lee Soo Man is the head producer - he's basically in charge of everything that goes on in SM... (SM used to stand for Soo Man but it's something else now..I forget...Star something...) He's like..completely horrible!

I mean, personally, I have nothing against SM the label, it's more like..the people who run it.

There's a saying in Korea that states: "If you don't make it with SM then you can't make it anywhere." It's actually half true. The reason Shinhwa broke away from SM is that they couldn't stand not being able to participate in recording their album (like writing songs, being more active in the whole process, not being controlled), and the only reason why they're still doing fine is that their fan base is HUGE and the fans are VERY supportive of their split from SM. (I LOVE SHINHWA! *random* <3 ) Shinhwa was fed up with their songs being controlled, and fed up with being hit and bullied by SM managers. -__-;;

As for HOT not getting back together, it's really crappy. Moon HeeJun from HOT went solo, as you may know, and after his first album, they withdrew funding from him and decided to focus on the "hotter, newer stars" like DBSK and BoA. Basically, he was left on the back burner and left to fend for himself. He released his later albums from money in his own pocket and donations from loyal fans. Awww...

Basically, when you get old/get less popular in SM, they just leave you to rot. They'll discard you like an old sock.

SM controls your life - when you sign on, you're basically signing away your soul. When DBSK was first formed, Soo Man gave the order to put the boys on a water diet (they basically starved the boys to the extreme) to make their faces slimmer so that they look better in pictures. They often try to get artists to get plastic surgery in order to boost their appearances. No joke. SM goes for looks first, then talent. (They got lucky with DBSK - looks AND talent.)

Rumor has it (and I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed, at least, according to my sources...) that SM hits/beats their artists whenever they make a mistake, and often they are driven to sickness by exhaustion and fatigue. Remember when Micky/Yoochun was in the hospital with appendicitis? Yah..there you go...

The probably only exception to the abuse is BoA, SM's favored artist, of whom I've heard indirectly from her coordinators that she's really stuck-up and really bossy. Hence, I do not like her (I never did.) - sorry BoA fans! (By all means keep liking her if you do!)

When the whole scare that DBSK was going to be rotated came around (meaning winter-spring time this year), did you see the members cry at the perf.s and such? Well, I believe they were screamed at, then hit around, and they were banned from going to any press conferences. They were split up (put into different rooms and such) and they weren't allowed to discuss anything regarding it. I believe if they were going to rotate, they had announced that JaeJoong and Yoochun would be the first to leave because they "cause so much trouble".

If the fans did not stage the boycott of SM goods, I believe they really would have rotated DBSK. Plus the fact that Changmin is still a minor and their parents can still sue SM under their contract.

So...if SM is so horrible..why would you sign on under it?

Because, it gives you FAME. SM is RUTHLESS when it comes to making it to the top, and you are almost guaranteed some sort of fame. Secondly, THEY PAY FOR YOUR COLLEGE. They give you all these opportunities that are probably pretty good.

...I believe (I remember reading this) an average SM group like DBSK makes around 3 CENTS or something per album/single they sell. That split 5 ways is less than 1 cent per member. Yah - in the end, it may add up, but really, SM just sucks out the profit. It's a money making machine in the entertainment business. SOO MAN TAKES MOST OF THE PROFITS HIMSELF - HE IS LIKE...ONE OF THE RICHEST MEN IN KOREA.

Basically...Lee Soo Man is running this company that controls everything that goes on in their artists' lives. Although he's NOT THE PRESIDENT, he has the MOST POWER. Don't ask me how that works...I'm not sure... -__-;;; Even the president resigned this year due to everything that's been going on. Basically...I CAN'T STAND LEE SOO MAN. He deserves...really bad things to happen to him. -__-;;;



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1. what do you mean by being rotated?? do you mean breaking them up??
What happened was...if you look at other SM groups, there usually is one or two lead singer(s) and the rest are rappers (those who can't sing as well but look pretty) or back-up singers. When DBSK was formed, they put 5 would-be "lead singers" (like - if they were all in different groups, they would all be the lead singers) together, and of course, it was very successful. HOWEVER - here's where the rotation part comes in. When SM was really gunning for their girl group SES (remember them? with Shoo, Eugene, and Bada), SM took them to Japan and China to gain more ground in the Asian music industry. But what happened was that when they left Korea, a new girl group was debuted under another company...you probably have heard of them too...FINKL (with Hyori, etc.) After the whole fiasco of FinkL becoming very popular in Korea and sharing SES's level of success (SES fans shifted to FinkL for the time being when they went to Japan and China), SM vowed to never have that happen again - to always have their artists be ..1 in Korea. So what did they do? They had this crazy idea to make DBSK a rotating group. That means when DBSK goes to Japan/China/other places, one or two members will be taken out to work with other groups/on solo projects in Korea, as to maintain DBSK popularity in Korea and eliminate rival groups. The original 5 would basically not perform with each other anymore - there would be like 3 or so originals, and 2 or so rotated members. The original members would all be rotated in and out in between solo projects and other group projects. Crazy - yes I know - but true. SM is one monopoly on the Korean music market.

2. what do they mean about Hiro and Micky causing trouble?? are they rebellious towards the company?? and if so, who wouldn't be...
Jaejoong/Hero/Hiro: They have fan meetings/signings yah? Well, apparently there were instances where there were LONG lines to meet DBSK. There were instances where there are 5 separate lines - one for each member. Well, one time, there was NO ONE in JAEJOONG'S LINE (T_T awww...I so would have gone in that line if I saw that!) and the managers who were coordinating the event were like..to fans in the other lines.. "do you want to get into this line?" and they would be like...NO! (GOSH! THEY'RE SO MEAN/RUDE! T_T) And it made Jaejoong really sad. The other members encouraged fans to get into JaeJoong's line, but apparently it didn't work. SM was beginning to believe Jaejoong was getting less popular, so they wanted him to work on other projects first - as a result.

Yoochun/Micky: ...I don't know if you noticed this, but around the time they were announcing the rotation, he began to cry/breaking down during performances (which, I heard, he got hit for T_T) and in SM's words... "causing trouble". Therefore, they wanted to remove him from DBSK first also.

Yes - I agree - I would be rebellious too..except..you get punished for doing so...like..being starved and getting beaten. -___-;;

3. by the way how did Shinhwa manage to get out of SM??
What happened was...Shinhwa decided to switch entertainment companies because they had enough with SM's controlling behavior (this was like..unheard of! Sm doesn't allow their artists to switch companies freely, especially if they are as popular as Shinhwa... Shinhwa = money in SM's eyes). They decided to move to Good! Entertainment, a brand new company with better management. SM couldn't FORCE them to stay, because Shinhwa's contracts had expired anyways (SM was seeking to renew, Shinhwa was seeking to move companies ASAP!). So, what did SM do? They sued Shinhwa for a bunch of stuff, and they claimed that if Shinhwa was to move companies, they can't use the name SHINHWA because of copyright issues. Therefore, there was a battle so to speak in court, and Shinhwa ended up winning. They retained their trademark name and moved to Good! Entertainment. Most artists who move struggle because SM makes it their duty to make sure they are crushed by SM artists. But knowing Shinhwa, they already had a HUGE fan base that was more than supportive of the move. They staged a movement where when their 7th album came out this past year, NO ONE was to post downloads in order to encourage people to buy it, and many fans bought more than one copy of it. =)

Side note: I'd say SM's biggest "rival" company is YG Entertainment - which manages artists such as Se7en, 1TYM, Taebin, etc. I don't know - just my opinion. Hence, the whole...Se7en's in Japan! DBSK must be in Japan too! thing...



THEN It was kimtaitai's message on Abaka that really got me she wrote:
QUOTE
Hi~ I'm a current member of club H.O.T,
and am a fan of the now broken up group, H.O.T. ^^

These days the group DBSK have been performing a lot
and have caught my attention.
Not only that, I heard that one of the DBSK members was a
very big male fan of H.O.T., and that's how I first started to
learn more about DBSK

As I watch the way they act and their performance,
I couldn't help but to think that they are very similar
to H.O.T when they first started

H.O.T is seriously the god's to our generation,
so for people that were born around 82, 83, etc.
No one probably understand what they meant to us...

After Seotaiji and boys broke up, H.O.T. saved the
kpop music scene that was completely dying out.

All the teenagers were pulled into H.O.T.,
and within a year of their debut they received the top music award.
Out of all the major awards that H.O.T received, there must be awards
from at least 10 different music/television companies

When I see DBSK right now, the past H.O.T. fills my mind.
I was a freshman in high school when H.O.T. first debuted.
Now I am 22, and even today, when I go to performances or
concerts, I am looked as a young girl ^^

I heard that the majority of DBSK fans are junior high students,
and although many people say that they are young fans,
we were exactly like that too.

Whenever people saw us they called us H.O.T fanatics.
But then what about now? Even after 8-9 years
we are still here watching over them.

We hope that all the DBSK fans follow in our footsteps ^^

Liking H.O.T. for about 9 years,
I would like to give a little heads up and warnings about the company SM

I am someone that had a voice within the H.O.T fan club.

So I know a little more about the company SM, than most fans or normal people

At this moment, many H.O.T. fans have ventured out ^^
There are some that have become stars, others that became famous peoples' coordis,
and even some that have been hired into SM

Through these people we have learned that,
what we believed to be unfair treatment by SM, in reality, was very much true

SM claimed that the 2nd H.O.T. was blackbeat, but after their failure
they tried once again, and that group is DBSK

Silently leading the group with wit and talent, YoungWoong JaeJoong.
He is like MoonHeeJun.

Leader in dance, with the aura of a tough guy, but sometimes very cute, UKnowYunHo.
He is like JangWooHyuk.

Lived in the states, and able to speak English, very charismatic and outgoing, MickyYooChun.
He is like Tony.

With looks that can be looked as almost famine, and the image where you want to take care of him, ChoiKangChangMin.
He is like Kangta.

Looks that can be looked as average, but the type of person that the more you see the more you like, XiahJunSu.
He is like LeeJaeWon.

Two group that really have a lot in common, DBSK and H.O.T.
Maybe that's why, but we H.O.T. fans are genuinely scared that
the DBSK fans will have to face the hurt and disappointing ordeals we had to go through.
Especially because all of you are so young.

Cassiopeia fans...

SM is honestly a dangerous place.
As you like DBSK more I am sure that your hatred for SM will only grow

The first time H.O.T. began to get battered by LeeSooMan was during the beginning of their 3rd album
I'm not sure if you heard their 2nd album song, "Heng Bok"
That is the song H.O.T. received the DaeSang award,
and the album after that for every little mistake, they were hurt.

At that time, I believed that no matter what, it was merely just rumors
Slowly, everything I believed were rumors, were slowly turning into realities

By any chance do you know of Andy of ShinHwa's incident?
For awhile he was on stage wearing a mask wasn't he?
SM said some unbelievable stuff saying that he ran into something
or that JunJin fell while taking a shower.

Everyone continuously told us different things.
The important factor is that they ran into something or fell,
but why was only his mouth hurt? How come there were no signs of anything near their forehead or nose or any other facial part?

A few days before, Andy went into the SM building, and when he came out
he was wearing a mask, which many fans noticed.
Honestly, at that time I didn't believe it.

After JTL left SM, even after they released their album,
they weren't able to properly perform for a good 2 years.

Their schedules continuously got mysteriously cancelled,
and on cable t.v. their music video was not even showed ONCE.

That wasn't the famous SM-JTL boycott.
Boycott...

SM went to every television company and threatened that
in the case they brought JTL onto their broadcasting list, SM would pull out all their singers from that company

Many fans called JTL's company "YeJun Media" and asked what was happening,
but even from there they did not know.

This is a famous event,
It was when MoonHeeJun's 2nd album was supposed to come out

Fans were sleeping in front of HeeJun's house,
when HeeJun's mother came out and began to cry like no tomorrow.

She was begging to the fans to save HeeJun...
"Please save my HeeJun..."

HeeJun's first album sold 600,000 copies.
But SM said, "Merely 600,000?!"

They said they didn't want to invest in his 2nd album.
So for HeeJun's 2nd album, his music video, and jacket pictures...
he poured out his own money and savings.

Everyone.
Buy their album. That is helping DBSk.

Whenever H.O.T albums came out, we fans bought AT LEAST 2 copies.
That's the only reason whenever a new album came out they were able to surpass 1 million album sales.

And for that fact only...
that's the only reason the members were able to collect a little bit of money.

H.O.T. boys...
for every album they received approximately 2 cents.

After Boa released her first album,
she received 50 cents per album.

For five people if it's 2 cent, that means its not even a quarter cent per person.

Then you might ask...

"What about the commercials and photo albums, and all the other side things H.O.T did?"

To keep it simple,
the only money H.O.T members make is through album sales.

Any commercials, and any shows, anything,
all that money goes to SM.
So its basically an unjust contract, a slave contract.

We heard that the contract between DBSK and SM is immense,
but that's not always a good thing.

When one leaves SM you must pay a fee that is much higher than the contract,
and basically its to stop singers from leaving
Not only that they will take out a percentage of one's profits if one leaves.

Do you think the term "slave contract" came out of nowhere??
DBSK right now...they are probably having a really hard time.

Do you all know this?
The president of SM isn't LeeSooMan but, KimKyungWook.

To put it in lament terms...

Although on paper KimKyungWook is the president,
the person that makes all the decisions is LeeSooMan.

The reason,

SM has done a lot of illegal things.
And if those acts are caught, someone needs to be blamed.

So LeeSooMan screws up,
and KimKyungWook takes the blame.

If you look at it KimKyungWoo is a slave too. An SM slave.

H.O.T.'s old manager is currently working for a very famous company.

That person once said that H.O.T. are kids he truly feels sorry for,
and so they were kids that he wanted to save.

That person tried to take H.O.T. out of SM, but got caught by LeeSooMan
and was immediately fired. Right now he is working at SIDUS and is producing the group G.O.D.

That is the reason LeeSooMan hates G.O.D. so much.
So much to the point that any radio show SM singers host,
he makes it clear he doesn't want to hear them putting on G.O.D. songs.

Even though slave contract, unjust contracts are against the law,
LeeSooMan is living quite fine.

He is truly a rich man. Someone with so much money it is unbelievable.
Although he waste a lot of money, he always has more.

We raised SM
and then we were stepped on by SM and died.

All the money that came in from H.O.T was invested into BoA
and all the money they invested in BoA is being currently relearned.

But now H.O.T members have encountered so many scars,
and they are slowly being forgotten by people.

Along with Club H.O.T who set records as a fan club.

We all are being forgotten by people.

All of you will get older with DBSK.
We were the same.

We used to say that "we're aging together,"
and these days those words sound so sad

As time goes feelings will be stronger,
and we sincerely hope that DBSK doesn't endure the same scars from SM, as H.O.T. had.
Don't take the same hurt as we did.

Within DBSK, create an awesome fan culture.

With every childless statement, the fan image is slowly ruined.

Become fans that think about what you say,
when announcing you are their fans.

Don't ever be faltered by any rumors, and always trust the member.
Singers will never betray their fans.

Please don't do things that they don't like.
You shouldn't ever make your favorite singer feel disappointed n you.

If you are going to believe this and that, or just move on to someone else,
then don't like them from the start.
It will only be scars upon that singer/group.

As you grow older, even if you find a boyfriend
don't ever forget that you are DBSK fans.

At first it may just be a fantasy for you
but as time passes and as you grow older
you will realize that they mean a lot more to you than you know

In your heart, you will never forget your younger days
when you were their fans...

please make sure it is only memories that you will not regret... "

Credit: AsianFanatics and In:Com


Credits to:http://www.tvxq.thandergirl.com/news.htm
Got this article from this website!Touching isn't it?!Support DBSK all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JeLLieZ
i know: thanks for the info!
reading it makes me sad
even though i was already partly aware of the situation i feel sad every time i read it again >_<
i love them soo much!
i'm sure lots of ppl do
but we can't do anything about it!
i wish we could!!
but
..
its too bad really..
if there was a good way we could make it better for them i'm sure lots of fans would be willing to help out
Naro
QUOTE(i-know @ Aug 25 2006 6 23 PM) [snapback]2848852[/snapback]

jjjustine:HeHe.........my comp doesn't have a dvd burner.....can't upload it.......sorry......but most of the contents can be found in youtube already.......they just missed the interview part(i think)

Finay:I'm not sure..........because the mag really wrote it like that......it's an interview.......maybe we are the ones who are too sensitive........think too much whenever the boys are being shot with girls around them......maybe they are ordinary friends?Who knows?

But guys,i've got something to share......it's about our boys and Lee Soo Man read it!
I got this on myspace from a fan, Pass it on DBSK FITTING!!!!!

SO I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE IN: COMPLETE FORUM N FOUND THIS
IT MAINLY TALK ABOUT THE ABUSIVE SINGERS SUCH AS DBSK, H.O.T, SHINHWA HAVE TO ENDURE
I BELIEVE THAT MANY OF U WONT AGREE BUT I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID HERE.
NOT LONG AGO,,, SEVERAL MONTHS I GUESS
THERE WAS A POLL HOLD BY A TELEVISION PROGRAM OR SOMETHING SIMILAR.. TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH MONEY KRN CALEB MAKE
TO OUR SURPRISE, NEARLY 70%OR 80% OF THE CALEB MAKE ONLY NEARLY 1MILLION WON=$1000 ON A PROJECT
N VERY LITTLE PERCENT EARN MORE THAN 5MILLION WON
N I KNOW THAT THE POLL IS TRUE
I DIDN'T HEAR IT SOMEWHERE
I ACTUALLY SAW AN ARTICLE OF NEWS ABOUT IT
NOT JUST SOMEONE TOLD ME OR SOMEONE ON SOME FORUM POST A TOPIC

AND REMEMBER TO ALWAYS BE DBSK FAN (IF U R). ONCE A FAN, ALWAYS A FAN. REMEMBER THAT. IF U GOING TO JUST FORGET THEM AFTER THEY R NOT THAT POPULAR ANYMORE, THEN DON LIKE THEM FROM THE START (JUST LIKE THIS STUFF IMMA SHOW U SAY)
.. IMAGINE U R A STAR AS BIG AS DBSK... RECEIVING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF LOVE, ENCOURAGE WORDS FROM UR FANS.. AND ONLY TO FIND OUT LATER THAT IT WAS ALL LIE
THAT ALL UR PASSION, ALL YOUR WORK TO KEEP THOSE LIES ALIVE ARE WORTHLESS...
LIKING THEM NOW, FORGET THEM LATER ON WILL ONLY LEAVE DBSK'S WITH HURTFUL SCARS...

HERE GO THE ~

N I KNOW THIS IS LONG.. BUT IT REALLY WORTH READING...
I READ IT TWICE..

"Okay - here's how the whole story goes... Lee Soo Man is the head producer - he's basically in charge of everything that goes on in SM... (SM used to stand for Soo Man but it's something else now..I forget...Star something...) He's like..completely horrible!

I mean, personally, I have nothing against SM the label, it's more like..the people who run it.

There's a saying in Korea that states: "If you don't make it with SM then you can't make it anywhere." It's actually half true. The reason Shinhwa broke away from SM is that they couldn't stand not being able to participate in recording their album (like writing songs, being more active in the whole process, not being controlled), and the only reason why they're still doing fine is that their fan base is HUGE and the fans are VERY supportive of their split from SM. (I LOVE SHINHWA! *random* <3 ) Shinhwa was fed up with their songs being controlled, and fed up with being hit and bullied by SM managers. -__-;;

As for HOT not getting back together, it's really crappy. Moon HeeJun from HOT went solo, as you may know, and after his first album, they withdrew funding from him and decided to focus on the "hotter, newer stars" like DBSK and BoA. Basically, he was left on the back burner and left to fend for himself. He released his later albums from money in his own pocket and donations from loyal fans. Awww...

Basically, when you get old/get less popular in SM, they just leave you to rot. They'll discard you like an old sock.

SM controls your life - when you sign on, you're basically signing away your soul. When DBSK was first formed, Soo Man gave the order to put the boys on a water diet (they basically starved the boys to the extreme) to make their faces slimmer so that they look better in pictures. They often try to get artists to get plastic surgery in order to boost their appearances. No joke. SM goes for looks first, then talent. (They got lucky with DBSK - looks AND talent.)

Rumor has it (and I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed, at least, according to my sources...) that SM hits/beats their artists whenever they make a mistake, and often they are driven to sickness by exhaustion and fatigue. Remember when Micky/Yoochun was in the hospital with appendicitis? Yah..there you go...

The probably only exception to the abuse is BoA, SM's favored artist, of whom I've heard indirectly from her coordinators that she's really stuck-up and really bossy. Hence, I do not like her (I never did.) - sorry BoA fans! (By all means keep liking her if you do!)

When the whole scare that DBSK was going to be rotated came around (meaning winter-spring time this year), did you see the members cry at the perf.s and such? Well, I believe they were screamed at, then hit around, and they were banned from going to any press conferences. They were split up (put into different rooms and such) and they weren't allowed to discuss anything regarding it. I believe if they were going to rotate, they had announced that JaeJoong and Yoochun would be the first to leave because they "cause so much trouble".

If the fans did not stage the boycott of SM goods, I believe they really would have rotated DBSK. Plus the fact that Changmin is still a minor and their parents can still sue SM under their contract.

So...if SM is so horrible..why would you sign on under it?

Because, it gives you FAME. SM is RUTHLESS when it comes to making it to the top, and you are almost guaranteed some sort of fame. Secondly, THEY PAY FOR YOUR COLLEGE. They give you all these opportunities that are probably pretty good.

...I believe (I remember reading this) an average SM group like DBSK makes around 3 CENTS or something per album/single they sell. That split 5 ways is less than 1 cent per member. Yah - in the end, it may add up, but really, SM just sucks out the profit. It's a money making machine in the entertainment business. SOO MAN TAKES MOST OF THE PROFITS HIMSELF - HE IS LIKE...ONE OF THE RICHEST MEN IN KOREA.

Basically...Lee Soo Man is running this company that controls everything that goes on in their artists' lives. Although he's NOT THE PRESIDENT, he has the MOST POWER. Don't ask me how that works...I'm not sure... -__-;;; Even the president resigned this year due to everything that's been going on. Basically...I CAN'T STAND LEE SOO MAN. He deserves...really bad things to happen to him. -__-;;;
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1. what do you mean by being rotated?? do you mean breaking them up??
What happened was...if you look at other SM groups, there usually is one or two lead singer(s) and the rest are rappers (those who can't sing as well but look pretty) or back-up singers. When DBSK was formed, they put 5 would-be "lead singers" (like - if they were all in different groups, they would all be the lead singers) together, and of course, it was very successful. HOWEVER - here's where the rotation part comes in. When SM was really gunning for their girl group SES (remember them? with Shoo, Eugene, and Bada), SM took them to Japan and China to gain more ground in the Asian music industry. But what happened was that when they left Korea, a new girl group was debuted under another company...you probably have heard of them too...FINKL (with Hyori, etc.) After the whole fiasco of FinkL becoming very popular in Korea and sharing SES's level of success (SES fans shifted to FinkL for the time being when they went to Japan and China), SM vowed to never have that happen again - to always have their artists be ..1 in Korea. So what did they do? They had this crazy idea to make DBSK a rotating group. That means when DBSK goes to Japan/China/other places, one or two members will be taken out to work with other groups/on solo projects in Korea, as to maintain DBSK popularity in Korea and eliminate rival groups. The original 5 would basically not perform with each other anymore - there would be like 3 or so originals, and 2 or so rotated members. The original members would all be rotated in and out in between solo projects and other group projects. Crazy - yes I know - but true. SM is one monopoly on the Korean music market.

2. what do they mean about Hiro and Micky causing trouble?? are they rebellious towards the company?? and if so, who wouldn't be...
Jaejoong/Hero/Hiro: They have fan meetings/signings yah? Well, apparently there were instances where there were LONG lines to meet DBSK. There were instances where there are 5 separate lines - one for each member. Well, one time, there was NO ONE in JAEJOONG'S LINE (T_T awww...I so would have gone in that line if I saw that!) and the managers who were coordinating the event were like..to fans in the other lines.. "do you want to get into this line?" and they would be like...NO! (GOSH! THEY'RE SO MEAN/RUDE! T_T) And it made Jaejoong really sad. The other members encouraged fans to get into JaeJoong's line, but apparently it didn't work. SM was beginning to believe Jaejoong was getting less popular, so they wanted him to work on other projects first - as a result.

Yoochun/Micky: ...I don't know if you noticed this, but around the time they were announcing the rotation, he began to cry/breaking down during performances (which, I heard, he got hit for T_T) and in SM's words... "causing trouble". Therefore, they wanted to remove him from DBSK first also.

Yes - I agree - I would be rebellious too..except..you get punished for doing so...like..being starved and getting beaten. -___-;;

3. by the way how did Shinhwa manage to get out of SM??
What happened was...Shinhwa decided to switch entertainment companies because they had enough with SM's controlling behavior (this was like..unheard of! Sm doesn't allow their artists to switch companies freely, especially if they are as popular as Shinhwa... Shinhwa = money in SM's eyes). They decided to move to Good! Entertainment, a brand new company with better management. SM couldn't FORCE them to stay, because Shinhwa's contracts had expired anyways (SM was seeking to renew, Shinhwa was seeking to move companies ASAP!). So, what did SM do? They sued Shinhwa for a bunch of stuff, and they claimed that if Shinhwa was to move companies, they can't use the name SHINHWA because of copyright issues. Therefore, there was a battle so to speak in court, and Shinhwa ended up winning. They retained their trademark name and moved to Good! Entertainment. Most artists who move struggle because SM makes it their duty to make sure they are crushed by SM artists. But knowing Shinhwa, they already had a HUGE fan base that was more than supportive of the move. They staged a movement where when their 7th album came out this past year, NO ONE was to post downloads in order to encourage people to buy it, and many fans bought more than one copy of it. =)

Side note: I'd say SM's biggest "rival" company is YG Entertainment - which manages artists such as Se7en, 1TYM, Taebin, etc. I don't know - just my opinion. Hence, the whole...Se7en's in Japan! DBSK must be in Japan too! thing...
THEN It was kimtaitai's message on Abaka that really got me she wrote:
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Hi~ I'm a current member of club H.O.T,
and am a fan of the now broken up group, H.O.T. ^^

These days the group DBSK have been performing a lot
and have caught my attention.
Not only that, I heard that one of the DBSK members was a
very big male fan of H.O.T., and that's how I first started to
learn more about DBSK

As I watch the way they act and their performance,
I couldn't help but to think that they are very similar
to H.O.T when they first started

H.O.T is seriously the god's to our generation,
so for people that were born around 82, 83, etc.
No one probably understand what they meant to us...

After Seotaiji and boys broke up, H.O.T. saved the
kpop music scene that was completely dying out.

All the teenagers were pulled into H.O.T.,
and within a year of their debut they received the top music award.
Out of all the major awards that H.O.T received, there must be awards
from at least 10 different music/television companies

When I see DBSK right now, the past H.O.T. fills my mind.
I was a freshman in high school when H.O.T. first debuted.
Now I am 22, and even today, when I go to performances or
concerts, I am looked as a young girl ^^

I heard that the majority of DBSK fans are junior high students,
and although many people say that they are young fans,
we were exactly like that too.

Whenever people saw us they called us H.O.T fanatics.
But then what about now? Even after 8-9 years
we are still here watching over them.

We hope that all the DBSK fans follow in our footsteps ^^

Liking H.O.T. for about 9 years,
I would like to give a little heads up and warnings about the company SM

I am someone that had a voice within the H.O.T fan club.

So I know a little more about the company SM, than most fans or normal people

At this moment, many H.O.T. fans have ventured out ^^
There are some that have become stars, others that became famous peoples' coordis,
and even some that have been hired into SM

Through these people we have learned that,
what we believed to be unfair treatment by SM, in reality, was very much true

SM claimed that the 2nd H.O.T. was blackbeat, but after their failure
they tried once again, and that group is DBSK

Silently leading the group with wit and talent, YoungWoong JaeJoong.
He is like MoonHeeJun.

Leader in dance, with the aura of a tough guy, but sometimes very cute, UKnowYunHo.
He is like JangWooHyuk.

Lived in the states, and able to speak English, very charismatic and outgoing, MickyYooChun.
He is like Tony.

With looks that can be looked as almost famine, and the image where you want to take care of him, ChoiKangChangMin.
He is like Kangta.

Looks that can be looked as average, but the type of person that the more you see the more you like, XiahJunSu.
He is like LeeJaeWon.

Two group that really have a lot in common, DBSK and H.O.T.
Maybe that's why, but we H.O.T. fans are genuinely scared that
the DBSK fans will have to face the hurt and disappointing ordeals we had to go through.
Especially because all of you are so young.

Cassiopeia fans...

SM is honestly a dangerous place.
As you like DBSK more I am sure that your hatred for SM will only grow

The first time H.O.T. began to get battered by LeeSooMan was during the beginning of their 3rd album
I'm not sure if you heard their 2nd album song, "Heng Bok"
That is the song H.O.T. received the DaeSang award,
and the album after that for every little mistake, they were hurt.

At that time, I believed that no matter what, it was merely just rumors
Slowly, everything I believed were rumors, were slowly turning into realities

By any chance do you know of Andy of ShinHwa's incident?
For awhile he was on stage wearing a mask wasn't he?
SM said some unbelievable stuff saying that he ran into something
or that JunJin fell while taking a shower.

Everyone continuously told us different things.
The important factor is that they ran into something or fell,
but why was only his mouth hurt? How come there were no signs of anything near their forehead or nose or any other facial part?

A few days before, Andy went into the SM building, and when he came out
he was wearing a mask, which many fans noticed.
Honestly, at that time I didn't believe it.

After JTL left SM, even after they released their album,
they weren't able to properly perform for a good 2 years.

Their schedules continuously got mysteriously cancelled,
and on cable t.v. their music video was not even showed ONCE.

That wasn't the famous SM-JTL boycott.
Boycott...

SM went to every television company and threatened that
in the case they brought JTL onto their broadcasting list, SM would pull out all their singers from that company

Many fans called JTL's company "YeJun Media" and asked what was happening,
but even from there they did not know.

This is a famous event,
It was when MoonHeeJun's 2nd album was supposed to come out

Fans were sleeping in front of HeeJun's house,
when HeeJun's mother came out and began to cry like no tomorrow.

She was begging to the fans to save HeeJun...
"Please save my HeeJun..."

HeeJun's first album sold 600,000 copies.
But SM said, "Merely 600,000?!"

They said they didn't want to invest in his 2nd album.
So for HeeJun's 2nd album, his music video, and jacket pictures...
he poured out his own money and savings.

Everyone.
Buy their album. That is helping DBSk.

Whenever H.O.T albums came out, we fans bought AT LEAST 2 copies.
That's the only reason whenever a new album came out they were able to surpass 1 million album sales.

And for that fact only...
that's the only reason the members were able to collect a little bit of money.

H.O.T. boys...
for every album they received approximately 2 cents.

After Boa released her first album,
she received 50 cents per album.

For five people if it's 2 cent, that means its not even a quarter cent per person.

Then you might ask...

"What about the commercials and photo albums, and all the other side things H.O.T did?"

To keep it simple,
the only money H.O.T members make is through album sales.

Any commercials, and any shows, anything,
all that money goes to SM.
So its basically an unjust contract, a slave contract.

We heard that the contract between DBSK and SM is immense,
but that's not always a good thing.

When one leaves SM you must pay a fee that is much higher than the contract,
and basically its to stop singers from leaving
Not only that they will take out a percentage of one's profits if one leaves.

Do you think the term "slave contract" came out of nowhere??
DBSK right now...they are probably having a really hard time.

Do you all know this?
The president of SM isn't LeeSooMan but, KimKyungWook.

To put it in lament terms...

Although on paper KimKyungWook is the president,
the person that makes all the decisions is LeeSooMan.

The reason,

SM has done a lot of illegal things.
And if those acts are caught, someone needs to be blamed.

So LeeSooMan screws up,
and KimKyungWook takes the blame.

If you look at it KimKyungWoo is a slave too. An SM slave.

H.O.T.'s old manager is currently working for a very famous company.

That person once said that H.O.T. are kids he truly feels sorry for,
and so they were kids that he wanted to save.

That person tried to take H.O.T. out of SM, but got caught by LeeSooMan
and was immediately fired. Right now he is working at SIDUS and is producing the group G.O.D.

That is the reason LeeSooMan hates G.O.D. so much.
So much to the point that any radio show SM singers host,
he makes it clear he doesn't want to hear them putting on G.O.D. songs.

Even though slave contract, unjust contracts are against the law,
LeeSooMan is living quite fine.

He is truly a rich man. Someone with so much money it is unbelievable.
Although he waste a lot of money, he always has more.

We raised SM
and then we were stepped on by SM and died.

All the money that came in from H.O.T was invested into BoA
and all the money they invested in BoA is being currently relearned.

But now H.O.T members have encountered so many scars,
and they are slowly being forgotten by people.

Along with Club H.O.T who set records as a fan club.

We all are being forgotten by people.

All of you will get older with DBSK.
We were the same.

We used to say that "we're aging together,"
and these days those words sound so sad

As time goes feelings will be stronger,
and we sincerely hope that DBSK doesn't endure the same scars from SM, as H.O.T. had.
Don't take the same hurt as we did.

Within DBSK, create an awesome fan culture.

With every childless statement, the fan image is slowly ruined.

Become fans that think about what you say,
when announcing you are their fans.

Don't ever be faltered by any rumors, and always trust the member.
Singers will never betray their fans.

Please don't do things that they don't like.
You shouldn't ever make your favorite singer feel disappointed n you.

If you are going to believe this and that, or just move on to someone else,
then don't like them from the start.
It will only be scars upon that singer/group.

As you grow older, even if you find a boyfriend
don't ever forget that you are DBSK fans.

At first it may just be a fantasy for you
but as time passes and as you grow older
you will realize that they mean a lot more to you than you know

In your heart, you will never forget your younger days
when you were their fans...

please make sure it is only memories that you will not regret... "

Credit: AsianFanatics and In:Com


Credits to:http://www.tvxq.thandergirl.com/news.htm
Got this article from this website!Touching isn't it?!Support DBSK all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


My gawd..i so cannot digest this article...is this all true???...its horrendous...dat SM monster...poor DBSK...if this is all true, imagine wat they must be goin thru...puttin up happy faces for the fans but dyin inside weeping.gif weeping.gif weeping.gif ...i wanna support the guys in any way i can...too bad we dont get their albums out here, otherwise would hav bought zillions of 'em...those SM biggies must be ugly bastards!!!

I was watchin Showbiz Extra a while back...they had a small news segment on DBSK...it said that the guys are currently reigning the Malaysian radio charts...in the Kpop chart, their single 'fighting spirit' is number 1 for two consecutive weeks and in the Jpop chart also, their single 'Begin' is numero uno for 2 weeks now...yay!...the boys rock!!! yeah.gif yeah.gif yeah.gif

I noticed that Jae's piercing on his right ear is on the exact spot as mine...yay...~starts doin flips~...i also cover my mouth wen i laugh *out of habit*...aww..pretty girl and i are so alike laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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jjjustine:HeHe.........my comp doesn't have a dvd burner.....can't upload it.......sorry......but most of the contents can be found in youtube already.......they just missed the interview part(i think)

Finay:I'm not sure..........because the mag really wrote it like that......it's an interview.......maybe we are the ones who are too sensitive........think too much whenever the boys are being shot with girls around them......maybe they are ordinary friends?Who knows?

But guys,i've got something to share......it's about our boys and Lee Soo Man read it!
I got this on myspace from a fan, Pass it on DBSK FITTING!!!!!

SO I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE IN: COMPLETE FORUM N FOUND THIS
IT MAINLY TALK ABOUT THE ABUSIVE SINGERS SUCH AS DBSK, H.O.T, SHINHWA HAVE TO ENDURE
I BELIEVE THAT MANY OF U WONT AGREE BUT I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID HERE.
NOT LONG AGO,,, SEVERAL MONTHS I GUESS
THERE WAS A POLL HOLD BY A TELEVISION PROGRAM OR SOMETHING SIMILAR.. TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH MONEY KRN CALEB MAKE
TO OUR SURPRISE, NEARLY 70%OR 80% OF THE CALEB MAKE ONLY NEARLY 1MILLION WON=$1000 ON A PROJECT
N VERY LITTLE PERCENT EARN MORE THAN 5MILLION WON
N I KNOW THAT THE POLL IS TRUE
I DIDN'T HEAR IT SOMEWHERE
I ACTUALLY SAW AN ARTICLE OF NEWS ABOUT IT
NOT JUST SOMEONE TOLD ME OR SOMEONE ON SOME FORUM POST A TOPIC

AND REMEMBER TO ALWAYS BE DBSK FAN (IF U R). ONCE A FAN, ALWAYS A FAN. REMEMBER THAT. IF U GOING TO JUST FORGET THEM AFTER THEY R NOT THAT POPULAR ANYMORE, THEN DON LIKE THEM FROM THE START (JUST LIKE THIS STUFF IMMA SHOW U SAY)
.. IMAGINE U R A STAR AS BIG AS DBSK... RECEIVING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF LOVE, ENCOURAGE WORDS FROM UR FANS.. AND ONLY TO FIND OUT LATER THAT IT WAS ALL LIE
THAT ALL UR PASSION, ALL YOUR WORK TO KEEP THOSE LIES ALIVE ARE WORTHLESS...
LIKING THEM NOW, FORGET THEM LATER ON WILL ONLY LEAVE DBSK'S WITH HURTFUL SCARS...

HERE GO THE ~

N I KNOW THIS IS LONG.. BUT IT REALLY WORTH READING...
I READ IT TWICE..

"Okay - here's how the whole story goes... Lee Soo Man is the head producer - he's basically in charge of everything that goes on in SM... (SM used to stand for Soo Man but it's something else now..I forget...Star something...) He's like..completely horrible!

I mean, personally, I have nothing against SM the label, it's more like..the people who run it.

There's a saying in Korea that states: "If you don't make it with SM then you can't make it anywhere." It's actually half true. The reason Shinhwa broke away from SM is that they couldn't stand not being able to participate in recording their album (like writing songs, being more active in the whole process, not being controlled), and the only reason why they're still doing fine is that their fan base is HUGE and the fans are VERY supportive of their split from SM. (I LOVE SHINHWA! *random* <3 ) Shinhwa was fed up with their songs being controlled, and fed up with being hit and bullied by SM managers. -__-;;

As for HOT not getting back together, it's really crappy. Moon HeeJun from HOT went solo, as you may know, and after his first album, they withdrew funding from him and decided to focus on the "hotter, newer stars" like DBSK and BoA. Basically, he was left on the back burner and left to fend for himself. He released his later albums from money in his own pocket and donations from loyal fans. Awww...

Basically, when you get old/get less popular in SM, they just leave you to rot. They'll discard you like an old sock.

SM controls your life - when you sign on, you're basically signing away your soul. When DBSK was first formed, Soo Man gave the order to put the boys on a water diet (they basically starved the boys to the extreme) to make their faces slimmer so that they look better in pictures. They often try to get artists to get plastic surgery in order to boost their appearances. No joke. SM goes for looks first, then talent. (They got lucky with DBSK - looks AND talent.)

Rumor has it (and I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed, at least, according to my sources...) that SM hits/beats their artists whenever they make a mistake, and often they are driven to sickness by exhaustion and fatigue. Remember when Micky/Yoochun was in the hospital with appendicitis? Yah..there you go...

The probably only exception to the abuse is BoA, SM's favored artist, of whom I've heard indirectly from her coordinators that she's really stuck-up and really bossy. Hence, I do not like her (I never did.) - sorry BoA fans! (By all means keep liking her if you do!)

When the whole scare that DBSK was going to be rotated came around (meaning winter-spring time this year), did you see the members cry at the perf.s and such? Well, I believe they were screamed at, then hit around, and they were banned from going to any press conferences. They were split up (put into different rooms and such) and they weren't allowed to discuss anything regarding it. I believe if they were going to rotate, they had announced that JaeJoong and Yoochun would be the first to leave because they "cause so much trouble".

If the fans did not stage the boycott of SM goods, I believe they really would have rotated DBSK. Plus the fact that Changmin is still a minor and their parents can still sue SM under their contract.

So...if SM is so horrible..why would you sign on under it?

Because, it gives you FAME. SM is RUTHLESS when it comes to making it to the top, and you are almost guaranteed some sort of fame. Secondly, THEY PAY FOR YOUR COLLEGE. They give you all these opportunities that are probably pretty good.

...I believe (I remember reading this) an average SM group like DBSK makes around 3 CENTS or something per album/single they sell. That split 5 ways is less than 1 cent per member. Yah - in the end, it may add up, but really, SM just sucks out the profit. It's a money making machine in the entertainment business. SOO MAN TAKES MOST OF THE PROFITS HIMSELF - HE IS LIKE...ONE OF THE RICHEST MEN IN KOREA.

Basically...Lee Soo Man is running this company that controls everything that goes on in their artists' lives. Although he's NOT THE PRESIDENT, he has the MOST POWER. Don't ask me how that works...I'm not sure... -__-;;; Even the president resigned this year due to everything that's been going on. Basically...I CAN'T STAND LEE SOO MAN. He deserves...really bad things to happen to him. -__-;;;
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1. what do you mean by being rotated?? do you mean breaking them up??
What happened was...if you look at other SM groups, there usually is one or two lead singer(s) and the rest are rappers (those who can't sing as well but look pretty) or back-up singers. When DBSK was formed, they put 5 would-be "lead singers" (like - if they were all in different groups, they would all be the lead singers) together, and of course, it was very successful. HOWEVER - here's where the rotation part comes in. When SM was really gunning for their girl group SES (remember them? with Shoo, Eugene, and Bada), SM took them to Japan and China to gain more ground in the Asian music industry. But what happened was that when they left Korea, a new girl group was debuted under another company...you probably have heard of them too...FINKL (with Hyori, etc.) After the whole fiasco of FinkL becoming very popular in Korea and sharing SES's level of success (SES fans shifted to FinkL for the time being when they went to Japan and China), SM vowed to never have that happen again - to always have their artists be ..1 in Korea. So what did they do? They had this crazy idea to make DBSK a rotating group. That means when DBSK goes to Japan/China/other places, one or two members will be taken out to work with other groups/on solo projects in Korea, as to maintain DBSK popularity in Korea and eliminate rival groups. The original 5 would basically not perform with each other anymore - there would be like 3 or so originals, and 2 or so rotated members. The original members would all be rotated in and out in between solo projects and other group projects. Crazy - yes I know - but true. SM is one monopoly on the Korean music market.

2. what do they mean about Hiro and Micky causing trouble?? are they rebellious towards the company?? and if so, who wouldn't be...
Jaejoong/Hero/Hiro: They have fan meetings/signings yah? Well, apparently there were instances where there were LONG lines to meet DBSK. There were instances where there are 5 separate lines - one for each member. Well, one time, there was NO ONE in JAEJOONG'S LINE (T_T awww...I so would have gone in that line if I saw that!) and the managers who were coordinating the event were like..to fans in the other lines.. "do you want to get into this line?" and they would be like...NO! (GOSH! THEY'RE SO MEAN/RUDE! T_T) And it made Jaejoong really sad. The other members encouraged fans to get into JaeJoong's line, but apparently it didn't work. SM was beginning to believe Jaejoong was getting less popular, so they wanted him to work on other projects first - as a result.

Yoochun/Micky: ...I don't know if you noticed this, but around the time they were announcing the rotation, he began to cry/breaking down during performances (which, I heard, he got hit for T_T) and in SM's words... "causing trouble". Therefore, they wanted to remove him from DBSK first also.

Yes - I agree - I would be rebellious too..except..you get punished for doing so...like..being starved and getting beaten. -___-;;

3. by the way how did Shinhwa manage to get out of SM??
What happened was...Shinhwa decided to switch entertainment companies because they had enough with SM's controlling behavior (this was like..unheard of! Sm doesn't allow their artists to switch companies freely, especially if they are as popular as Shinhwa... Shinhwa = money in SM's eyes). They decided to move to Good! Entertainment, a brand new company with better management. SM couldn't FORCE them to stay, because Shinhwa's contracts had expired anyways (SM was seeking to renew, Shinhwa was seeking to move companies ASAP!). So, what did SM do? They sued Shinhwa for a bunch of stuff, and they claimed that if Shinhwa was to move companies, they can't use the name SHINHWA because of copyright issues. Therefore, there was a battle so to speak in court, and Shinhwa ended up winning. They retained their trademark name and moved to Good! Entertainment. Most artists who move struggle because SM makes it their duty to make sure they are crushed by SM artists. But knowing Shinhwa, they already had a HUGE fan base that was more than supportive of the move. They staged a movement where when their 7th album came out this past year, NO ONE was to post downloads in order to encourage people to buy it, and many fans bought more than one copy of it. =)

Side note: I'd say SM's biggest "rival" company is YG Entertainment - which manages artists such as Se7en, 1TYM, Taebin, etc. I don't know - just my opinion. Hence, the whole...Se7en's in Japan! DBSK must be in Japan too! thing...
THEN It was kimtaitai's message on Abaka that really got me she wrote:
QUOTE
Hi~ I'm a current member of club H.O.T,
and am a fan of the now broken up group, H.O.T. ^^

These days the group DBSK have been performing a lot
and have caught my attention.
Not only that, I heard that one of the DBSK members was a
very big male fan of H.O.T., and that's how I first started to
learn more about DBSK

As I watch the way they act and their performance,
I couldn't help but to think that they are very similar
to H.O.T when they first started

H.O.T is seriously the god's to our generation,
so for people that were born around 82, 83, etc.
No one probably understand what they meant to us...

After Seotaiji and boys broke up, H.O.T. saved the
kpop music scene that was completely dying out.

All the teenagers were pulled into H.O.T.,
and within a year of their debut they received the top music award.
Out of all the major awards that H.O.T received, there must be awards
from at least 10 different music/television companies

When I see DBSK right now, the past H.O.T. fills my mind.
I was a freshman in high school when H.O.T. first debuted.
Now I am 22, and even today, when I go to performances or
concerts, I am looked as a young girl ^^

I heard that the majority of DBSK fans are junior high students,
and although many people say that they are young fans,
we were exactly like that too.

Whenever people saw us they called us H.O.T fanatics.
But then what about now? Even after 8-9 years
we are still here watching over them.

We hope that all the DBSK fans follow in our footsteps ^^

Liking H.O.T. for about 9 years,
I would like to give a little heads up and warnings about the company SM

I am someone that had a voice within the H.O.T fan club.

So I know a little more about the company SM, than most fans or normal people

At this moment, many H.O.T. fans have ventured out ^^
There are some that have become stars, others that became famous peoples' coordis,
and even some that have been hired into SM

Through these people we have learned that,
what we believed to be unfair treatment by SM, in reality, was very much true

SM claimed that the 2nd H.O.T. was blackbeat, but after their failure
they tried once again, and that group is DBSK

Silently leading the group with wit and talent, YoungWoong JaeJoong.
He is like MoonHeeJun.

Leader in dance, with the aura of a tough guy, but sometimes very cute, UKnowYunHo.
He is like JangWooHyuk.

Lived in the states, and able to speak English, very charismatic and outgoing, MickyYooChun.
He is like Tony.

With looks that can be looked as almost famine, and the image where you want to take care of him, ChoiKangChangMin.
He is like Kangta.

Looks that can be looked as average, but the type of person that the more you see the more you like, XiahJunSu.
He is like LeeJaeWon.

Two group that really have a lot in common, DBSK and H.O.T.
Maybe that's why, but we H.O.T. fans are genuinely scared that
the DBSK fans will have to face the hurt and disappointing ordeals we had to go through.
Especially because all of you are so young.

Cassiopeia fans...

SM is honestly a dangerous place.
As you like DBSK more I am sure that your hatred for SM will only grow

The first time H.O.T. began to get battered by LeeSooMan was during the beginning of their 3rd album
I'm not sure if you heard their 2nd album song, "Heng Bok"
That is the song H.O.T. received the DaeSang award,
and the album after that for every little mistake, they were hurt.

At that time, I believed that no matter what, it was merely just rumors
Slowly, everything I believed were rumors, were slowly turning into realities

By any chance do you know of Andy of ShinHwa's incident?
For awhile he was on stage wearing a mask wasn't he?
SM said some unbelievable stuff saying that he ran into something
or that JunJin fell while taking a shower.

Everyone continuously told us different things.
The important factor is that they ran into something or fell,
but why was only his mouth hurt? How come there were no signs of anything near their forehead or nose or any other facial part?

A few days before, Andy went into the SM building, and when he came out
he was wearing a mask, which many fans noticed.
Honestly, at that time I didn't believe it.

After JTL left SM, even after they released their album,
they weren't able to properly perform for a good 2 years.

Their schedules continuously got mysteriously cancelled,
and on cable t.v. their music video was not even showed ONCE.

That wasn't the famous SM-JTL boycott.
Boycott...

SM went to every television company and threatened that
in the case they brought JTL onto their broadcasting list, SM would pull out all their singers from that company

Many fans called JTL's company "YeJun Media" and asked what was happening,
but even from there they did not know.

This is a famous event,
It was when MoonHeeJun's 2nd album was supposed to come out

Fans were sleeping in front of HeeJun's house,
when HeeJun's mother came out and began to cry like no tomorrow.

She was begging to the fans to save HeeJun...
"Please save my HeeJun..."

HeeJun's first album sold 600,000 copies.
But SM said, "Merely 600,000?!"

They said they didn't want to invest in his 2nd album.
So for HeeJun's 2nd album, his music video, and jacket pictures...
he poured out his own money and savings.

Everyone.
Buy their album. That is helping DBSk.

Whenever H.O.T albums came out, we fans bought AT LEAST 2 copies.
That's the only reason whenever a new album came out they were able to surpass 1 million album sales.

And for that fact only...
that's the only reason the members were able to collect a little bit of money.

H.O.T. boys...
for every album they received approximately 2 cents.

After Boa released her first album,
she received 50 cents per album.

For five people if it's 2 cent, that means its not even a quarter cent per person.

Then you might ask...

"What about the commercials and photo albums, and all the other side things H.O.T did?"

To keep it simple,
the only money H.O.T members make is through album sales.

Any commercials, and any shows, anything,
all that money goes to SM.
So its basically an unjust contract, a slave contract.

We heard that the contract between DBSK and SM is immense,
but that's not always a good thing.

When one leaves SM you must pay a fee that is much higher than the contract,
and basically its to stop singers from leaving
Not only that they will take out a percentage of one's profits if one leaves.

Do you think the term "slave contract" came out of nowhere??
DBSK right now...they are probably having a really hard time.

Do you all know this?
The president of SM isn't LeeSooMan but, KimKyungWook.

To put it in lament terms...

Although on paper KimKyungWook is the president,
the person that makes all the decisions is LeeSooMan.

The reason,

SM has done a lot of illegal things.
And if those acts are caught, someone needs to be blamed.

So LeeSooMan screws up,
and KimKyungWook takes the blame.

If you look at it KimKyungWoo is a slave too. An SM slave.

H.O.T.'s old manager is currently working for a very famous company.

That person once said that H.O.T. are kids he truly feels sorry for,
and so they were kids that he wanted to save.

That person tried to take H.O.T. out of SM, but got caught by LeeSooMan
and was immediately fired. Right now he is working at SIDUS and is producing the group G.O.D.

That is the reason LeeSooMan hates G.O.D. so much.
So much to the point that any radio show SM singers host,
he makes it clear he doesn't want to hear them putting on G.O.D. songs.

Even though slave contract, unjust contracts are against the law,
LeeSooMan is living quite fine.

He is truly a rich man. Someone with so much money it is unbelievable.
Although he waste a lot of money, he always has more.

We raised SM
and then we were stepped on by SM and died.

All the money that came in from H.O.T was invested into BoA
and all the money they invested in BoA is being currently relearned.

But now H.O.T members have encountered so many scars,
and they are slowly being forgotten by people.

Along with Club H.O.T who set records as a fan club.

We all are being forgotten by people.

All of you will get older with DBSK.
We were the same.

We used to say that "we're aging together,"
and these days those words sound so sad

As time goes feelings will be stronger,
and we sincerely hope that DBSK doesn't endure the same scars from SM, as H.O.T. had.
Don't take the same hurt as we did.

Within DBSK, create an awesome fan culture.

With every childless statement, the fan image is slowly ruined.

Become fans that think about what you say,
when announcing you are their fans.

Don't ever be faltered by any rumors, and always trust the member.
Singers will never betray their fans.

Please don't do things that they don't like.
You shouldn't ever make your favorite singer feel disappointed n you.

If you are going to believe this and that, or just move on to someone else,
then don't like them from the start.
It will only be scars upon that singer/group.

As you grow older, even if you find a boyfriend
don't ever forget that you are DBSK fans.

At first it may just be a fantasy for you
but as time passes and as you grow older
you will realize that they mean a lot more to you than you know

In your heart, you will never forget your younger days
when you were their fans...

please make sure it is only memories that you will not regret... "

Credit: AsianFanatics and In:Com


Credits to:http://www.tvxq.thandergirl.com/news.htm
Got this article from this website!Touching isn't it?!Support DBSK all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


thanks for da info.. pervert SM ..how could him.. when i read thru dis.. i found out dat it is so true.. thinkin bout micky being beaten..he cried...argh..n den they alwez have happy faces..but inside =( ...NO~~we shudnt let it happen... i will buy their ablum for sure start from dis minute...

did SM reli did wanna rotated DBSK?did they?did he? how many times oredi??

DBSK fans..we shud support n keep loving DBSK.. now we know dat they lived like dis..we shud be loving them more...never stop loving them...DBSK faiding!!!!!!!
TVXQ Soul Max
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I got this on myspace from a fan, Pass it on DBSK FITTING!!!!!

SO I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE IN: COMPLETE FORUM N FOUND THIS
IT MAINLY TALK ABOUT THE ABUSIVE SINGERS SUCH AS DBSK, H.O.T, SHINHWA HAVE TO ENDURE
I BELIEVE THAT MANY OF U WONT AGREE BUT I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID HERE.
NOT LONG AGO,,, SEVERAL MONTHS I GUESS
THERE WAS A POLL HOLD BY A TELEVISION PROGRAM OR SOMETHING SIMILAR.. TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH MONEY KRN CALEB MAKE
TO OUR SURPRISE, NEARLY 70%OR 80% OF THE CALEB MAKE ONLY NEARLY 1MILLION WON=$1000 ON A PROJECT
N VERY LITTLE PERCENT EARN MORE THAN 5MILLION WON
N I KNOW THAT THE POLL IS TRUE
I DIDN'T HEAR IT SOMEWHERE
I ACTUALLY SAW AN ARTICLE OF NEWS ABOUT IT
NOT JUST SOMEONE TOLD ME OR SOMEONE ON SOME FORUM POST A TOPIC

AND REMEMBER TO ALWAYS BE DBSK FAN (IF U R). ONCE A FAN, ALWAYS A FAN. REMEMBER THAT. IF U GOING TO JUST FORGET THEM AFTER THEY R NOT THAT POPULAR ANYMORE, THEN DON LIKE THEM FROM THE START (JUST LIKE THIS STUFF IMMA SHOW U SAY)
.. IMAGINE U R A STAR AS BIG AS DBSK... RECEIVING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF LOVE, ENCOURAGE WORDS FROM UR FANS.. AND ONLY TO FIND OUT LATER THAT IT WAS ALL LIE
THAT ALL UR PASSION, ALL YOUR WORK TO KEEP THOSE LIES ALIVE ARE WORTHLESS...
LIKING THEM NOW, FORGET THEM LATER ON WILL ONLY LEAVE DBSK'S WITH HURTFUL SCARS...

HERE GO THE ~

N I KNOW THIS IS LONG.. BUT IT REALLY WORTH READING...
I READ IT TWICE..

"Okay - here's how the whole story goes... Lee Soo Man is the head producer - he's basically in charge of everything that goes on in SM... (SM used to stand for Soo Man but it's something else now..I forget...Star something...) He's like..completely horrible!

I mean, personally, I have nothing against SM the label, it's more like..the people who run it.

There's a saying in Korea that states: "If you don't make it with SM then you can't make it anywhere." It's actually half true. The reason Shinhwa broke away from SM is that they couldn't stand not being able to participate in recording their album (like writing songs, being more active in the whole process, not being controlled), and the only reason why they're still doing fine is that their fan base is HUGE and the fans are VERY supportive of their split from SM. (I LOVE SHINHWA! *random* <3 ) Shinhwa was fed up with their songs being controlled, and fed up with being hit and bullied by SM managers. -__-;;

As for HOT not getting back together, it's really crappy. Moon HeeJun from HOT went solo, as you may know, and after his first album, they withdrew funding from him and decided to focus on the "hotter, newer stars" like DBSK and BoA. Basically, he was left on the back burner and left to fend for himself. He released his later albums from money in his own pocket and donations from loyal fans. Awww...

Basically, when you get old/get less popular in SM, they just leave you to rot. They'll discard you like an old sock.

SM controls your life - when you sign on, you're basically signing away your soul. When DBSK was first formed, Soo Man gave the order to put the boys on a water diet (they basically starved the boys to the extreme) to make their faces slimmer so that they look better in pictures. They often try to get artists to get plastic surgery in order to boost their appearances. No joke. SM goes for looks first, then talent. (They got lucky with DBSK - looks AND talent.)

Rumor has it (and I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed, at least, according to my sources...) that SM hits/beats their artists whenever they make a mistake, and often they are driven to sickness by exhaustion and fatigue. Remember when Micky/Yoochun was in the hospital with appendicitis? Yah..there you go...

The probably only exception to the abuse is BoA, SM's favored artist, of whom I've heard indirectly from her coordinators that she's really stuck-up and really bossy. Hence, I do not like her (I never did.) - sorry BoA fans! (By all means keep liking her if you do!)

When the whole scare that DBSK was going to be rotated came around (meaning winter-spring time this year), did you see the members cry at the perf.s and such? Well, I believe they were screamed at, then hit around, and they were banned from going to any press conferences. They were split up (put into different rooms and such) and they weren't allowed to discuss anything regarding it. I believe if they were going to rotate, they had announced that JaeJoong and Yoochun would be the first to leave because they "cause so much trouble".

If the fans did not stage the boycott of SM goods, I believe they really would have rotated DBSK. Plus the fact that Changmin is still a minor and their parents can still sue SM under their contract.

So...if SM is so horrible..why would you sign on under it?

Because, it gives you FAME. SM is RUTHLESS when it comes to making it to the top, and you are almost guaranteed some sort of fame. Secondly, THEY PAY FOR YOUR COLLEGE. They give you all these opportunities that are probably pretty good.

...I believe (I remember reading this) an average SM group like DBSK makes around 3 CENTS or something per album/single they sell. That split 5 ways is less than 1 cent per member. Yah - in the end, it may add up, but really, SM just sucks out the profit. It's a money making machine in the entertainment business. SOO MAN TAKES MOST OF THE PROFITS HIMSELF - HE IS LIKE...ONE OF THE RICHEST MEN IN KOREA.

Basically...Lee Soo Man is running this company that controls everything that goes on in their artists' lives. Although he's NOT THE PRESIDENT, he has the MOST POWER. Don't ask me how that works...I'm not sure... -__-;;; Even the president resigned this year due to everything that's been going on. Basically...I CAN'T STAND LEE SOO MAN. He deserves...really bad things to happen to him. -__-;;;
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1. what do you mean by being rotated?? do you mean breaking them up??
What happened was...if you look at other SM groups, there usually is one or two lead singer(s) and the rest are rappers (those who can't sing as well but look pretty) or back-up singers. When DBSK was formed, they put 5 would-be "lead singers" (like - if they were all in different groups, they would all be the lead singers) together, and of course, it was very successful. HOWEVER - here's where the rotation part comes in. When SM was really gunning for their girl group SES (remember them? with Shoo, Eugene, and Bada), SM took them to Japan and China to gain more ground in the Asian music industry. But what happened was that when they left Korea, a new girl group was debuted under another company...you probably have heard of them too...FINKL (with Hyori, etc.) After the whole fiasco of FinkL becoming very popular in Korea and sharing SES's level of success (SES fans shifted to FinkL for the time being when they went to Japan and China), SM vowed to never have that happen again - to always have their artists be ..1 in Korea. So what did they do? They had this crazy idea to make DBSK a rotating group. That means when DBSK goes to Japan/China/other places, one or two members will be taken out to work with other groups/on solo projects in Korea, as to maintain DBSK popularity in Korea and eliminate rival groups. The original 5 would basically not perform with each other anymore - there would be like 3 or so originals, and 2 or so rotated members. The original members would all be rotated in and out in between solo projects and other group projects. Crazy - yes I know - but true. SM is one monopoly on the Korean music market.

2. what do they mean about Hiro and Micky causing trouble?? are they rebellious towards the company?? and if so, who wouldn't be...
Jaejoong/Hero/Hiro: They have fan meetings/signings yah? Well, apparently there were instances where there were LONG lines to meet DBSK. There were instances where there are 5 separate lines - one for each member. Well, one time, there was NO ONE in JAEJOONG'S LINE (T_T awww...I so would have gone in that line if I saw that!) and the managers who were coordinating the event were like..to fans in the other lines.. "do you want to get into this line?" and they would be like...NO! (GOSH! THEY'RE SO MEAN/RUDE! T_T) And it made Jaejoong really sad. The other members encouraged fans to get into JaeJoong's line, but apparently it didn't work. SM was beginning to believe Jaejoong was getting less popular, so they wanted him to work on other projects first - as a result.

Yoochun/Micky: ...I don't know if you noticed this, but around the time they were announcing the rotation, he began to cry/breaking down during performances (which, I heard, he got hit for T_T) and in SM's words... "causing trouble". Therefore, they wanted to remove him from DBSK first also.

Yes - I agree - I would be rebellious too..except..you get punished for doing so...like..being starved and getting beaten. -___-;;

3. by the way how did Shinhwa manage to get out of SM??
What happened was...Shinhwa decided to switch entertainment companies because they had enough with SM's controlling behavior (this was like..unheard of! Sm doesn't allow their artists to switch companies freely, especially if they are as popular as Shinhwa... Shinhwa = money in SM's eyes). They decided to move to Good! Entertainment, a brand new company with better management. SM couldn't FORCE them to stay, because Shinhwa's contracts had expired anyways (SM was seeking to renew, Shinhwa was seeking to move companies ASAP!). So, what did SM do? They sued Shinhwa for a bunch of stuff, and they claimed that if Shinhwa was to move companies, they can't use the name SHINHWA because of copyright issues. Therefore, there was a battle so to speak in court, and Shinhwa ended up winning. They retained their trademark name and moved to Good! Entertainment. Most artists who move struggle because SM makes it their duty to make sure they are crushed by SM artists. But knowing Shinhwa, they already had a HUGE fan base that was more than supportive of the move. They staged a movement where when their 7th album came out this past year, NO ONE was to post downloads in order to encourage people to buy it, and many fans bought more than one copy of it. =)

Side note: I'd say SM's biggest "rival" company is YG Entertainment - which manages artists such as Se7en, 1TYM, Taebin, etc. I don't know - just my opinion. Hence, the whole...Se7en's in Japan! DBSK must be in Japan too! thing...
THEN It was kimtaitai's message on Abaka that really got me she wrote:
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Hi~ I'm a current member of club H.O.T,
and am a fan of the now broken up group, H.O.T. ^^

These days the group DBSK have been performing a lot
and have caught my attention.
Not only that, I heard that one of the DBSK members was a
very big male fan of H.O.T., and that's how I first started to
learn more about DBSK

As I watch the way they act and their performance,
I couldn't help but to think that they are very similar
to H.O.T when they first started

H.O.T is seriously the god's to our generation,
so for people that were born around 82, 83, etc.
No one probably understand what they meant to us...

After Seotaiji and boys broke up, H.O.T. saved the
kpop music scene that was completely dying out.

All the teenagers were pulled into H.O.T.,
and within a year of their debut they received the top music award.
Out of all the major awards that H.O.T received, there must be awards
from at least 10 different music/television companies

When I see DBSK right now, the past H.O.T. fills my mind.
I was a freshman in high school when H.O.T. first debuted.
Now I am 22, and even today, when I go to performances or
concerts, I am looked as a young girl ^^

I heard that the majority of DBSK fans are junior high students,
and although many people say that they are young fans,
we were exactly like that too.

Whenever people saw us they called us H.O.T fanatics.
But then what about now? Even after 8-9 years
we are still here watching over them.

We hope that all the DBSK fans follow in our footsteps ^^

Liking H.O.T. for about 9 years,
I would like to give a little heads up and warnings about the company SM

I am someone that had a voice within the H.O.T fan club.

So I know a little more about the company SM, than most fans or normal people

At this moment, many H.O.T. fans have ventured out ^^
There are some that have become stars, others that became famous peoples' coordis,
and even some that have been hired into SM

Through these people we have learned that,
what we believed to be unfair treatment by SM, in reality, was very much true

SM claimed that the 2nd H.O.T. was blackbeat, but after their failure
they tried once again, and that group is DBSK

Silently leading the group with wit and talent, YoungWoong JaeJoong.
He is like MoonHeeJun.

Leader in dance, with the aura of a tough guy, but sometimes very cute, UKnowYunHo.
He is like JangWooHyuk.

Lived in the states, and able to speak English, very charismatic and outgoing, MickyYooChun.
He is like Tony.

With looks that can be looked as almost famine, and the image where you want to take care of him, ChoiKangChangMin.
He is like Kangta.

Looks that can be looked as average, but the type of person that the more you see the more you like, XiahJunSu.
He is like LeeJaeWon.

Two group that really have a lot in common, DBSK and H.O.T.
Maybe that's why, but we H.O.T. fans are genuinely scared that
the DBSK fans will have to face the hurt and disappointing ordeals we had to go through.
Especially because all of you are so young.

Cassiopeia fans...

SM is honestly a dangerous place.
As you like DBSK more I am sure that your hatred for SM will only grow

The first time H.O.T. began to get battered by LeeSooMan was during the beginning of their 3rd album
I'm not sure if you heard their 2nd album song, "Heng Bok"
That is the song H.O.T. received the DaeSang award,
and the album after that for every little mistake, they were hurt.

At that time, I believed that no matter what, it was merely just rumors
Slowly, everything I believed were rumors, were slowly turning into realities

By any chance do you know of Andy of ShinHwa's incident?
For awhile he was on stage wearing a mask wasn't he?
SM said some unbelievable stuff saying that he ran into something
or that JunJin fell while taking a shower.

Everyone continuously told us different things.
The important factor is that they ran into something or fell,
but why was only his mouth hurt? How come there were no signs of anything near their forehead or nose or any other facial part?

A few days before, Andy went into the SM building, and when he came out
he was wearing a mask, which many fans noticed.
Honestly, at that time I didn't believe it.

After JTL left SM, even after they released their album,
they weren't able to properly perform for a good 2 years.

Their schedules continuously got mysteriously cancelled,
and on cable t.v. their music video was not even showed ONCE.

That wasn't the famous SM-JTL boycott.
Boycott...

SM went to every television company and threatened that
in the case they brought JTL onto their broadcasting list, SM would pull out all their singers from that company

Many fans called JTL's company "YeJun Media" and asked what was happening,
but even from there they did not know.

This is a famous event,
It was when MoonHeeJun's 2nd album was supposed to come out

Fans were sleeping in front of HeeJun's house,
when HeeJun's mother came out and began to cry like no tomorrow.

She was begging to the fans to save HeeJun...
"Please save my HeeJun..."

HeeJun's first album sold 600,000 copies.
But SM said, "Merely 600,000?!"

They said they didn't want to invest in his 2nd album.
So for HeeJun's 2nd album, his music video, and jacket pictures...
he poured out his own money and savings.

Everyone.
Buy their album. That is helping DBSk.

Whenever H.O.T albums came out, we fans bought AT LEAST 2 copies.
That's the only reason whenever a new album came out they were able to surpass 1 million album sales.

And for that fact only...
that's the only reason the members were able to collect a little bit of money.

H.O.T. boys...
for every album they received approximately 2 cents.

After Boa released her first album,
she received 50 cents per album.

For five people if it's 2 cent, that means its not even a quarter cent per person.

Then you might ask...

"What about the commercials and photo albums, and all the other side things H.O.T did?"

To keep it simple,
the only money H.O.T members make is through album sales.

Any commercials, and any shows, anything,
all that money goes to SM.
So its basically an unjust contract, a slave contract.

We heard that the contract between DBSK and SM is immense,
but that's not always a good thing.

When one leaves SM you must pay a fee that is much higher than the contract,
and basically its to stop singers from leaving
Not only that they will take out a percentage of one's profits if one leaves.

Do you think the term "slave contract" came out of nowhere??
DBSK right now...they are probably having a really hard time.

Do you all know this?
The president of SM isn't LeeSooMan but, KimKyungWook.

To put it in lament terms...

Although on paper KimKyungWook is the president,
the person that makes all the decisions is LeeSooMan.

The reason,

SM has done a lot of illegal things.
And if those acts are caught, someone needs to be blamed.

So LeeSooMan screws up,
and KimKyungWook takes the blame.

If you look at it KimKyungWoo is a slave too. An SM slave.

H.O.T.'s old manager is currently working for a very famous company.

That person once said that H.O.T. are kids he truly feels sorry for,
and so they were kids that he wanted to save.

That person tried to take H.O.T. out of SM, but got caught by LeeSooMan
and was immediately fired. Right now he is working at SIDUS and is producing the group G.O.D.

That is the reason LeeSooMan hates G.O.D. so much.
So much to the point that any radio show SM singers host,
he makes it clear he doesn't want to hear them putting on G.O.D. songs.

Even though slave contract, unjust contracts are against the law,
LeeSooMan is living quite fine.

He is truly a rich man. Someone with so much money it is unbelievable.
Although he waste a lot of money, he always has more.

We raised SM
and then we were stepped on by SM and died.

All the money that came in from H.O.T was invested into BoA
and all the money they invested in BoA is being currently relearned.

But now H.O.T members have encountered so many scars,
and they are slowly being forgotten by people.

Along with Club H.O.T who set records as a fan club.

We all are being forgotten by people.

All of you will get older with DBSK.
We were the same.

We used to say that "we're aging together,"
and these days those words sound so sad

As time goes feelings will be stronger,
and we sincerely hope that DBSK doesn't endure the same scars from SM, as H.O.T. had.
Don't take the same hurt as we did.

Within DBSK, create an awesome fan culture.

With every childless statement, the fan image is slowly ruined.

Become fans that think about what you say,
when announcing you are their fans.

Don't ever be faltered by any rumors, and always trust the member.
Singers will never betray their fans.

Please don't do things that they don't like.
You shouldn't ever make your favorite singer feel disappointed n you.

If you are going to believe this and that, or just move on to someone else,
then don't like them from the start.
It will only be scars upon that singer/group.

As you grow older, even if you find a boyfriend
don't ever forget that you are DBSK fans.

At first it may just be a fantasy for you
but as time passes and as you grow older
you will realize that they mean a lot more to you than you know

In your heart, you will never forget your younger days
when you were their fans...

please make sure it is only memories that you will not regret... "

Credit: AsianFanatics and In:Com




>.<" cant believe SM Entertaiment would do such things to their singers... Its such miserable to their singers... living in misery everyday... T.T

ONCE A DBSK FAN WILL FOREVER BE A DBSK FAN~~~!!!!

Such jerk... how could he do this? Its a unbelieveable... Poor H.O.T and DBSK!!! Haizzz... I will defenitely buy their albums from now no matter what... T.T
koguma
Hi everyone, I'm a newbie. I've been around for quite sometime, but never post any message before. However, I've been DBSQ's fan for a while now. Love them sooooo much ........especially Yunho infatuated.gif .

This will be my first post. Pleaase be nice to me hehehehhehe........

Anyway, does anyone have Xman or Loveletter episode that have DBSQ in it. I've actually found it at soompi, but I couldn't seem to download it.
Mabe
Hey im back with more photos!!!
Heres a good 1 4 u all!!

Jaejoong's new hair color!!!!!!
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Credits: BooJaejoong, Bestiz & Mabe @Soompi


I like his hair color not bad!! At least its not bright orange!!!
I wanna see what new hair style his gonna go 4!!!
And 4 every1 that replied 2 me.. Your all very welcome!! My pleasure 2 share these with u all!!!
extrafugly
ok...first post here and im using it to say
SM SUCKS!!
dude what that girl said about our hate for SM to grow the longer were fans is so true
when i was a fan at first i was like "SM isnt too bad" even though people were bashing him
but now...wtf is wrong with him?!
i mean how can you treat people so badly??
and pay them SO little when they work their asses off..
its crazy..seriously..
twee
i know: i think ive read this b4 but not the whole thing...but after reading this again and this time the whole thing...its really upsetting...that sucha popular gp is now being forgotten...eventually it will happen to DBSK?
but i consider myself a DBSK fan...and will always b...and as a fan i hopefully will b able to support them as much as i can

justine nice pics and that...i trully love them!!!

omg thats a seriously long list...u did some seirous youtubing!!

well which mvs do i really like...the HUG one for sure, RISING SUN, MY DESTINY, THE WAY U ARE

koguma : welcome!!!

i havent been here a while and im glad we're not as crazy as we were...im so glad we havent reached 100 yet..cos i want to b there to celebrate hehehe

anyway i saw wat some of u girls were doing and thought i would join in too

Xiah ::
[so wat does this mean..look the same all the time?...cos thats really ahrd...cos a girls got to dress up sometimes...so thats a no for me]- doesn't admire girls who overreact and dress very special for a certain thing
[x]- understanding
[heheh yeah can be..but not a great cook]- a little girly (enough to enjoy cooking)
[sort of]- straight hair with slightly wavy ends
[if its necesary then yes]- would rather spend time with him than her friends (if necessary)
[x]- polites to her friends

Micky ::
[wats his defintion of pretty?]- pretty
[i guess so]- cute
[-]- sometimes dresses like Lee Hyori
[its layered but not extreme]- extremely layered hair
[-]- good in dancing

Max ::
[does 2 min noodles count?]- cooks good
[x]- speaks English good
[x]- doesn't really care
[how gangsta?...but prolly not]- dresses female-gangster-style (half the time)

Hero ::
[-]- a girl who will always tell him she loves him
[-]- has a student-type fashion
[x...who isnt?]- a little vengeful
[x]- straight, short hair

U-Know ::
[-]- tall
[its not long anymore...but straight]- long, straight hair
[?]- fickle
[can anyone elaborate?]- gives special events
[-]- wild (club style!!)
[-]- someone like Jun Ji Hyun
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question...i no changmin is studying still...but the other DBSK members...r they still studying like in uni or wat?...does anyone know?

and i totally agree that Micky really needs a hair cut...i still love him still...and Junsu looks a lot cuter with his hair cut...and its nicer his hair in black

and to whom it was who liked changminie during the rising sun time...i loved him suring that period too...his hair looked good on him and he was just more attractive i think...it was during this period....wen i saw the pics of changmin that i thought wow he really is a hottie afterall
Kimmy `xDDD
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i-know: thank youu so much for the info ! grrr...
LSM is pissing me off. now that i read this, i dont think i want to ..
audition. they're just big meanies ! lol lee soo man is such a butt.
hmm that's just really stupid if you beat up some1 bcuz they cried.
damn it yo. [ poor yoohun ]

justine: i love those pictures `xD changmin
looks really kyoot ! `=) thankies

mabe: `xD jaejoong looks hawt with the
new hairstyle. `=) aight ight. thankies


extrafugly: i agree ! i mean i would rebel if sm
controlled mii freakin life. that's bull dry.gif

koguma: Hi ! welcome to tvxq forum. hope
you'll like it here. `xD

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ABUSiVE COMPANiES LiKE SM ARE LOSERS !
bella_mygga_insek
I-KNOW: OMG thanks so much for sharing that! And the person who wrote it really used the heart to write it.... I couldn´t imagine that the background of SM was all like that bad. I knew it was bad, but not that bad.... IS IT LEGAL TO HIT PEOPLE IN KOREA? Does anybody know that? But it seems like it is, cos if it was illegal then I think that the boys who´ve been hit would sue SM... Here in Sweden it´s very illegal to hit or harass anybody, so there´s no sucha thing, but there´s no singer who´s sucess so much as the korean ones... waa.... I´m really soo touched by reading that post... And worrying for our boys in DBSK as well... But I guess, they´ll have to bear with this and this is their destiny for being a singer...

MEL: really sorry for not being able to reply to you sooner bout the DBSK-pranks. But I guess, you´ve already found that question if they were subbed or not. happy.gif

LET´S LOVE DBSK MORE THAN WE ALREADY DO, IT FEELS LIKE THEY NEED US MORE THAN I COULD IMAGINE, YEAH, I KNOW DBSK REALLY NEED THEIR FANS, BUT I´M IN SHOCK RIGHT NOW AFTER READING THE WHOLE SM-THING SO CAN´T SAY ANYTHING MORE THAN THAT WE HAVE TO LOVE DONG BANG SHIN KI IN EVERY WEATHER FROM NOW ON...

And thanks a million for the person who shared the timeless song... that song is really soo sad and beautiful like how I feel rite now, kinda depressed cos of DBSK have to suffer so much.... I think this song has kinda a chinese-genre in it.. is it someone who agree with me on that? it´s sounds kinda chinese.. but not the lyrics of course.

DBSK- FIGHTING!!
Naro
Grrrrr...am still tinkin bout the article regarding dat SM monster n_thumbdown.gif ...if i was filthy rich, i'd contact the label rite now and buy DBSK off from those suckers and then i'll tell dat SOO MAN guy to go and **** the wall...argh!!!...my heart is breaking...no wonder the guys are lookin all scrawny and tired down.gif
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jjjustine:HeHe.........my comp doesn't have a dvd burner.....can't upload it.......sorry......but most of the contents can be found in youtube already.......they just missed the interview part(i think)

Finay:I'm not sure..........because the mag really wrote it like that......it's an interview.......maybe we are the ones who are too sensitive........think too much whenever the boys are being shot with girls around them......maybe they are ordinary friends?Who knows?

But guys,i've got something to share......it's about our boys and Lee Soo Man read it!
I got this on myspace from a fan, Pass it on DBSK FITTING!!!!!

SO I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE IN: COMPLETE FORUM N FOUND THIS
IT MAINLY TALK ABOUT THE ABUSIVE SINGERS SUCH AS DBSK, H.O.T, SHINHWA HAVE TO ENDURE
I BELIEVE THAT MANY OF U WONT AGREE BUT I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID HERE.
NOT LONG AGO,,, SEVERAL MONTHS I GUESS
THERE WAS A POLL HOLD BY A TELEVISION PROGRAM OR SOMETHING SIMILAR.. TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH MONEY KRN CALEB MAKE
TO OUR SURPRISE, NEARLY 70%OR 80% OF THE CALEB MAKE ONLY NEARLY 1MILLION WON=$1000 ON A PROJECT
N VERY LITTLE PERCENT EARN MORE THAN 5MILLION WON
N I KNOW THAT THE POLL IS TRUE
I DIDN'T HEAR IT SOMEWHERE
I ACTUALLY SAW AN ARTICLE OF NEWS ABOUT IT
NOT JUST SOMEONE TOLD ME OR SOMEONE ON SOME FORUM POST A TOPIC

AND REMEMBER TO ALWAYS BE DBSK FAN (IF U R). ONCE A FAN, ALWAYS A FAN. REMEMBER THAT. IF U GOING TO JUST FORGET THEM AFTER THEY R NOT THAT POPULAR ANYMORE, THEN DON LIKE THEM FROM THE START (JUST LIKE THIS STUFF IMMA SHOW U SAY)
.. IMAGINE U R A STAR AS BIG AS DBSK... RECEIVING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF LOVE, ENCOURAGE WORDS FROM UR FANS.. AND ONLY TO FIND OUT LATER THAT IT WAS ALL LIE
THAT ALL UR PASSION, ALL YOUR WORK TO KEEP THOSE LIES ALIVE ARE WORTHLESS...
LIKING THEM NOW, FORGET THEM LATER ON WILL ONLY LEAVE DBSK'S WITH HURTFUL SCARS...

HERE GO THE ~

N I KNOW THIS IS LONG.. BUT IT REALLY WORTH READING...
I READ IT TWICE..

"Okay - here's how the whole story goes... Lee Soo Man is the head producer - he's basically in charge of everything that goes on in SM... (SM used to stand for Soo Man but it's something else now..I forget...Star something...) He's like..completely horrible!

I mean, personally, I have nothing against SM the label, it's more like..the people who run it.

There's a saying in Korea that states: "If you don't make it with SM then you can't make it anywhere." It's actually half true. The reason Shinhwa broke away from SM is that they couldn't stand not being able to participate in recording their album (like writing songs, being more active in the whole process, not being controlled), and the only reason why they're still doing fine is that their fan base is HUGE and the fans are VERY supportive of their split from SM. (I LOVE SHINHWA! *random* <3 ) Shinhwa was fed up with their songs being controlled, and fed up with being hit and bullied by SM managers. -__-;;

As for HOT not getting back together, it's really crappy. Moon HeeJun from HOT went solo, as you may know, and after his first album, they withdrew funding from him and decided to focus on the "hotter, newer stars" like DBSK and BoA. Basically, he was left on the back burner and left to fend for himself. He released his later albums from money in his own pocket and donations from loyal fans. Awww...

Basically, when you get old/get less popular in SM, they just leave you to rot. They'll discard you like an old sock.

SM controls your life - when you sign on, you're basically signing away your soul. When DBSK was first formed, Soo Man gave the order to put the boys on a water diet (they basically starved the boys to the extreme) to make their faces slimmer so that they look better in pictures. They often try to get artists to get plastic surgery in order to boost their appearances. No joke. SM goes for looks first, then talent. (They got lucky with DBSK - looks AND talent.)

Rumor has it (and I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed, at least, according to my sources...) that SM hits/beats their artists whenever they make a mistake, and often they are driven to sickness by exhaustion and fatigue. Remember when Micky/Yoochun was in the hospital with appendicitis? Yah..there you go...

The probably only exception to the abuse is BoA, SM's favored artist, of whom I've heard indirectly from her coordinators that she's really stuck-up and really bossy. Hence, I do not like her (I never did.) - sorry BoA fans! (By all means keep liking her if you do!)

When the whole scare that DBSK was going to be rotated came around (meaning winter-spring time this year), did you see the members cry at the perf.s and such? Well, I believe they were screamed at, then hit around, and they were banned from going to any press conferences. They were split up (put into different rooms and such) and they weren't allowed to discuss anything regarding it. I believe if they were going to rotate, they had announced that JaeJoong and Yoochun would be the first to leave because they "cause so much trouble".

If the fans did not stage the boycott of SM goods, I believe they really would have rotated DBSK. Plus the fact that Changmin is still a minor and their parents can still sue SM under their contract.

So...if SM is so horrible..why would you sign on under it?

Because, it gives you FAME. SM is RUTHLESS when it comes to making it to the top, and you are almost guaranteed some sort of fame. Secondly, THEY PAY FOR YOUR COLLEGE. They give you all these opportunities that are probably pretty good.

...I believe (I remember reading this) an average SM group like DBSK makes around 3 CENTS or something per album/single they sell. That split 5 ways is less than 1 cent per member. Yah - in the end, it may add up, but really, SM just sucks out the profit. It's a money making machine in the entertainment business. SOO MAN TAKES MOST OF THE PROFITS HIMSELF - HE IS LIKE...ONE OF THE RICHEST MEN IN KOREA.

Basically...Lee Soo Man is running this company that controls everything that goes on in their artists' lives. Although he's NOT THE PRESIDENT, he has the MOST POWER. Don't ask me how that works...I'm not sure... -__-;;; Even the president resigned this year due to everything that's been going on. Basically...I CAN'T STAND LEE SOO MAN. He deserves...really bad things to happen to him. -__-;;;
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1. what do you mean by being rotated?? do you mean breaking them up??
What happened was...if you look at other SM groups, there usually is one or two lead singer(s) and the rest are rappers (those who can't sing as well but look pretty) or back-up singers. When DBSK was formed, they put 5 would-be "lead singers" (like - if they were all in different groups, they would all be the lead singers) together, and of course, it was very successful. HOWEVER - here's where the rotation part comes in. When SM was really gunning for their girl group SES (remember them? with Shoo, Eugene, and Bada), SM took them to Japan and China to gain more ground in the Asian music industry. But what happened was that when they left Korea, a new girl group was debuted under another company...you probably have heard of them too...FINKL (with Hyori, etc.) After the whole fiasco of FinkL becoming very popular in Korea and sharing SES's level of success (SES fans shifted to FinkL for the time being when they went to Japan and China), SM vowed to never have that happen again - to always have their artists be ..1 in Korea. So what did they do? They had this crazy idea to make DBSK a rotating group. That means when DBSK goes to Japan/China/other places, one or two members will be taken out to work with other groups/on solo projects in Korea, as to maintain DBSK popularity in Korea and eliminate rival groups. The original 5 would basically not perform with each other anymore - there would be like 3 or so originals, and 2 or so rotated members. The original members would all be rotated in and out in between solo projects and other group projects. Crazy - yes I know - but true. SM is one monopoly on the Korean music market.

2. what do they mean about Hiro and Micky causing trouble?? are they rebellious towards the company?? and if so, who wouldn't be...
Jaejoong/Hero/Hiro: They have fan meetings/signings yah? Well, apparently there were instances where there were LONG lines to meet DBSK. There were instances where there are 5 separate lines - one for each member. Well, one time, there was NO ONE in JAEJOONG'S LINE (T_T awww...I so would have gone in that line if I saw that!) and the managers who were coordinating the event were like..to fans in the other lines.. "do you want to get into this line?" and they would be like...NO! (GOSH! THEY'RE SO MEAN/RUDE! T_T) And it made Jaejoong really sad. The other members encouraged fans to get into JaeJoong's line, but apparently it didn't work. SM was beginning to believe Jaejoong was getting less popular, so they wanted him to work on other projects first - as a result.

Yoochun/Micky: ...I don't know if you noticed this, but around the time they were announcing the rotation, he began to cry/breaking down during performances (which, I heard, he got hit for T_T) and in SM's words... "causing trouble". Therefore, they wanted to remove him from DBSK first also.

Yes - I agree - I would be rebellious too..except..you get punished for doing so...like..being starved and getting beaten. -___-;;

3. by the way how did Shinhwa manage to get out of SM??
What happened was...Shinhwa decided to switch entertainment companies because they had enough with SM's controlling behavior (this was like..unheard of! Sm doesn't allow their artists to switch companies freely, especially if they are as popular as Shinhwa... Shinhwa = money in SM's eyes). They decided to move to Good! Entertainment, a brand new company with better management. SM couldn't FORCE them to stay, because Shinhwa's contracts had expired anyways (SM was seeking to renew, Shinhwa was seeking to move companies ASAP!). So, what did SM do? They sued Shinhwa for a bunch of stuff, and they claimed that if Shinhwa was to move companies, they can't use the name SHINHWA because of copyright issues. Therefore, there was a battle so to speak in court, and Shinhwa ended up winning. They retained their trademark name and moved to Good! Entertainment. Most artists who move struggle because SM makes it their duty to make sure they are crushed by SM artists. But knowing Shinhwa, they already had a HUGE fan base that was more than supportive of the move. They staged a movement where when their 7th album came out this past year, NO ONE was to post downloads in order to encourage people to buy it, and many fans bought more than one copy of it. =)

Side note: I'd say SM's biggest "rival" company is YG Entertainment - which manages artists such as Se7en, 1TYM, Taebin, etc. I don't know - just my opinion. Hence, the whole...Se7en's in Japan! DBSK must be in Japan too! thing...
THEN It was kimtaitai's message on Abaka that really got me she wrote:
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Hi~ I'm a current member of club H.O.T,
and am a fan of the now broken up group, H.O.T. ^^

These days the group DBSK have been performing a lot
and have caught my attention.
Not only that, I heard that one of the DBSK members was a
very big male fan of H.O.T., and that's how I first started to
learn more about DBSK

As I watch the way they act and their performance,
I couldn't help but to think that they are very similar
to H.O.T when they first started

H.O.T is seriously the god's to our generation,
so for people that were born around 82, 83, etc.
No one probably understand what they meant to us...

After Seotaiji and boys broke up, H.O.T. saved the
kpop music scene that was completely dying out.

All the teenagers were pulled into H.O.T.,
and within a year of their debut they received the top music award.
Out of all the major awards that H.O.T received, there must be awards
from at least 10 different music/television companies

When I see DBSK right now, the past H.O.T. fills my mind.
I was a freshman in high school when H.O.T. first debuted.
Now I am 22, and even today, when I go to performances or
concerts, I am looked as a young girl ^^

I heard that the majority of DBSK fans are junior high students,
and although many people say that they are young fans,
we were exactly like that too.

Whenever people saw us they called us H.O.T fanatics.
But then what about now? Even after 8-9 years
we are still here watching over them.

We hope that all the DBSK fans follow in our footsteps ^^

Liking H.O.T. for about 9 years,
I would like to give a little heads up and warnings about the company SM

I am someone that had a voice within the H.O.T fan club.

So I know a little more about the company SM, than most fans or normal people

At this moment, many H.O.T. fans have ventured out ^^
There are some that have become stars, others that became famous peoples' coordis,
and even some that have been hired into SM

Through these people we have learned that,
what we believed to be unfair treatment by SM, in reality, was very much true

SM claimed that the 2nd H.O.T. was blackbeat, but after their failure
they tried once again, and that group is DBSK

Silently leading the group with wit and talent, YoungWoong JaeJoong.
He is like MoonHeeJun.

Leader in dance, with the aura of a tough guy, but sometimes very cute, UKnowYunHo.
He is like JangWooHyuk.

Lived in the states, and able to speak English, very charismatic and outgoing, MickyYooChun.
He is like Tony.

With looks that can be looked as almost famine, and the image where you want to take care of him, ChoiKangChangMin.
He is like Kangta.

Looks that can be looked as average, but the type of person that the more you see the more you like, XiahJunSu.
He is like LeeJaeWon.

Two group that really have a lot in common, DBSK and H.O.T.
Maybe that's why, but we H.O.T. fans are genuinely scared that
the DBSK fans will have to face the hurt and disappointing ordeals we had to go through.
Especially because all of you are so young.

Cassiopeia fans...

SM is honestly a dangerous place.
As you like DBSK more I am sure that your hatred for SM will only grow

The first time H.O.T. began to get battered by LeeSooMan was during the beginning of their 3rd album
I'm not sure if you heard their 2nd album song, "Heng Bok"
That is the song H.O.T. received the DaeSang award,
and the album after that for every little mistake, they were hurt.

At that time, I believed that no matter what, it was merely just rumors
Slowly, everything I believed were rumors, were slowly turning into realities

By any chance do you know of Andy of ShinHwa's incident?
For awhile he was on stage wearing a mask wasn't he?
SM said some unbelievable stuff saying that he ran into something
or that JunJin fell while taking a shower.

Everyone continuously told us different things.
The important factor is that they ran into something or fell,
but why was only his mouth hurt? How come there were no signs of anything near their forehead or nose or any other facial part?

A few days before, Andy went into the SM building, and when he came out
he was wearing a mask, which many fans noticed.
Honestly, at that time I didn't believe it.

After JTL left SM, even after they released their album,
they weren't able to properly perform for a good 2 years.

Their schedules continuously got mysteriously cancelled,
and on cable t.v. their music video was not even showed ONCE.

That wasn't the famous SM-JTL boycott.
Boycott...

SM went to every television company and threatened that
in the case they brought JTL onto their broadcasting list, SM would pull out all their singers from that company

Many fans called JTL's company "YeJun Media" and asked what was happening,
but even from there they did not know.

This is a famous event,
It was when MoonHeeJun's 2nd album was supposed to come out

Fans were sleeping in front of HeeJun's house,
when HeeJun's mother came out and began to cry like no tomorrow.

She was begging to the fans to save HeeJun...
"Please save my HeeJun..."

HeeJun's first album sold 600,000 copies.
But SM said, "Merely 600,000?!"

They said they didn't want to invest in his 2nd album.
So for HeeJun's 2nd album, his music video, and jacket pictures...
he poured out his own money and savings.

Everyone.
Buy their album. That is helping DBSk.

Whenever H.O.T albums came out, we fans bought AT LEAST 2 copies.
That's the only reason whenever a new album came out they were able to surpass 1 million album sales.

And for that fact only...
that's the only reason the members were able to collect a little bit of money.

H.O.T. boys...
for every album they received approximately 2 cents.

After Boa released her first album,
she received 50 cents per album.

For five people if it's 2 cent, that means its not even a quarter cent per person.

Then you might ask...

"What about the commercials and photo albums, and all the other side things H.O.T did?"

To keep it simple,
the only money H.O.T members make is through album sales.

Any commercials, and any shows, anything,
all that money goes to SM.
So its basically an unjust contract, a slave contract.

We heard that the contract between DBSK and SM is immense,
but that's not always a good thing.

When one leaves SM you must pay a fee that is much higher than the contract,
and basically its to stop singers from leaving
Not only that they will take out a percentage of one's profits if one leaves.

Do you think the term "slave contract" came out of nowhere??
DBSK right now...they are probably having a really hard time.

Do you all know this?
The president of SM isn't LeeSooMan but, KimKyungWook.

To put it in lament terms...

Although on paper KimKyungWook is the president,
the person that makes all the decisions is LeeSooMan.

The reason,

SM has done a lot of illegal things.
And if those acts are caught, someone needs to be blamed.

So LeeSooMan screws up,
and KimKyungWook takes the blame.

If you look at it KimKyungWoo is a slave too. An SM slave.

H.O.T.'s old manager is currently working for a very famous company.

That person once said that H.O.T. are kids he truly feels sorry for,
and so they were kids that he wanted to save.

That person tried to take H.O.T. out of SM, but got caught by LeeSooMan
and was immediately fired. Right now he is working at SIDUS and is producing the group G.O.D.

That is the reason LeeSooMan hates G.O.D. so much.
So much to the point that any radio show SM singers host,
he makes it clear he doesn't want to hear them putting on G.O.D. songs.

Even though slave contract, unjust contracts are against the law,
LeeSooMan is living quite fine.

He is truly a rich man. Someone with so much money it is unbelievable.
Although he waste a lot of money, he always has more.

We raised SM
and then we were stepped on by SM and died.

All the money that came in from H.O.T was invested into BoA
and all the money they invested in BoA is being currently relearned.

But now H.O.T members have encountered so many scars,
and they are slowly being forgotten by people.

Along with Club H.O.T who set records as a fan club.

We all are being forgotten by people.

All of you will get older with DBSK.
We were the same.

We used to say that "we're aging together,"
and these days those words sound so sad

As time goes feelings will be stronger,
and we sincerely hope that DBSK doesn't endure the same scars from SM, as H.O.T. had.
Don't take the same hurt as we did.

Within DBSK, create an awesome fan culture.

With every childless statement, the fan image is slowly ruined.

Become fans that think about what you say,
when announcing you are their fans.

Don't ever be faltered by any rumors, and always trust the member.
Singers will never betray their fans.

Please don't do things that they don't like.
You shouldn't ever make your favorite singer feel disappointed n you.

If you are going to believe this and that, or just move on to someone else,
then don't like them from the start.
It will only be scars upon that singer/group.

As you grow older, even if you find a boyfriend
don't ever forget that you are DBSK fans.

At first it may just be a fantasy for you
but as time passes and as you grow older
you will realize that they mean a lot more to you than you know

In your heart, you will never forget your younger days
when you were their fans...

please make sure it is only memories that you will not regret... "

Credit: AsianFanatics and In:Com


Credits to:http://www.tvxq.thandergirl.com/news.htm
Got this article from this website!Touching isn't it?!Support DBSK all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


omfg. i almost didn't want to finish it. started crying early on...i know there are many greedy people in this world. to the point of being cruel and ruthless to innocent people just to satisfy their own sick wants and "needs". i don't care if it's "just business"..you don't [effing] treat people like that!! i swear to everything if lsm ever goes through merciless, painful torture then left bleeding to death, i will NOT feel any sympathy. i would probably laugh and be happy as heck.

tvxq is the first artist i've been truly passionate about. because it's not just about their music..i actually try to look into their lives and understand(TRY) them as people. i never cared to go in depth with other artists no matter how much i love their music. i usually hate it when people just throw "love" around so easily, but i really feel like(i know many people who will laugh at what im gonna say next) i love them. TVXQ!! i don't own any of their merchandise(although im trying like effing hell to convince mom to buy some stuff for me over yesasia), but i do support them a lot through..brain..support =_=. mom says that truly loving someone isn't spoiling them with materialistic things...but i will definitely buy their cds and dvds now. even if have to get someone else to buy it for me!!

IF(let's pray to every god that it doesn't happen) they have to experience what h.o.t. did, they'll live through it. because they're strong boys and there's so many fans who love, support, and will stay with them. LIKE MEEEE!!! haha

[runs away like the little girl she is]
711
QUOTE(i-know @ Aug 25 2006 1 53 PM) [snapback]2848852[/snapback]

jjjustine:HeHe.........my comp doesn't have a dvd burner.....can't upload it.......sorry......but most of the contents can be found in youtube already.......they just missed the interview part(i think)

Finay:I'm not sure..........because the mag really wrote it like that......it's an interview.......maybe we are the ones who are too sensitive........think too much whenever the boys are being shot with girls around them......maybe they are ordinary friends?Who knows?

But guys,i've got something to share......it's about our boys and Lee Soo Man read it!
I got this on myspace from a fan, Pass it on DBSK FITTING!!!!!

SO I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE IN: COMPLETE FORUM N FOUND THIS
IT MAINLY TALK ABOUT THE ABUSIVE SINGERS SUCH AS DBSK, H.O.T, SHINHWA HAVE TO ENDURE
I BELIEVE THAT MANY OF U WONT AGREE BUT I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID HERE.
NOT LONG AGO,,, SEVERAL MONTHS I GUESS
THERE WAS A POLL HOLD BY A TELEVISION PROGRAM OR SOMETHING SIMILAR.. TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH MONEY KRN CALEB MAKE
TO OUR SURPRISE, NEARLY 70%OR 80% OF THE CALEB MAKE ONLY NEARLY 1MILLION WON=$1000 ON A PROJECT
N VERY LITTLE PERCENT EARN MORE THAN 5MILLION WON
N I KNOW THAT THE POLL IS TRUE
I DIDN'T HEAR IT SOMEWHERE
I ACTUALLY SAW AN ARTICLE OF NEWS ABOUT IT
NOT JUST SOMEONE TOLD ME OR SOMEONE ON SOME FORUM POST A TOPIC

AND REMEMBER TO ALWAYS BE DBSK FAN (IF U R). ONCE A FAN, ALWAYS A FAN. REMEMBER THAT. IF U GOING TO JUST FORGET THEM AFTER THEY R NOT THAT POPULAR ANYMORE, THEN DON LIKE THEM FROM THE START (JUST LIKE THIS STUFF IMMA SHOW U SAY)
.. IMAGINE U R A STAR AS BIG AS DBSK... RECEIVING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF LOVE, ENCOURAGE WORDS FROM UR FANS.. AND ONLY TO FIND OUT LATER THAT IT WAS ALL LIE
THAT ALL UR PASSION, ALL YOUR WORK TO KEEP THOSE LIES ALIVE ARE WORTHLESS...
LIKING THEM NOW, FORGET THEM LATER ON WILL ONLY LEAVE DBSK'S WITH HURTFUL SCARS...

HERE GO THE ~

N I KNOW THIS IS LONG.. BUT IT REALLY WORTH READING...
I READ IT TWICE..

"Okay - here's how the whole story goes... Lee Soo Man is the head producer - he's basically in charge of everything that goes on in SM... (SM used to stand for Soo Man but it's something else now..I forget...Star something...) He's like..completely horrible!

I mean, personally, I have nothing against SM the label, it's more like..the people who run it.

There's a saying in Korea that states: "If you don't make it with SM then you can't make it anywhere." It's actually half true. The reason Shinhwa broke away from SM is that they couldn't stand not being able to participate in recording their album (like writing songs, being more active in the whole process, not being controlled), and the only reason why they're still doing fine is that their fan base is HUGE and the fans are VERY supportive of their split from SM. (I LOVE SHINHWA! *random* <3 ) Shinhwa was fed up with their songs being controlled, and fed up with being hit and bullied by SM managers. -__-;;

As for HOT not getting back together, it's really crappy. Moon HeeJun from HOT went solo, as you may know, and after his first album, they withdrew funding from him and decided to focus on the "hotter, newer stars" like DBSK and BoA. Basically, he was left on the back burner and left to fend for himself. He released his later albums from money in his own pocket and donations from loyal fans. Awww...

Basically, when you get old/get less popular in SM, they just leave you to rot. They'll discard you like an old sock.

SM controls your life - when you sign on, you're basically signing away your soul. When DBSK was first formed, Soo Man gave the order to put the boys on a water diet (they basically starved the boys to the extreme) to make their faces slimmer so that they look better in pictures. They often try to get artists to get plastic surgery in order to boost their appearances. No joke. SM goes for looks first, then talent. (They got lucky with DBSK - looks AND talent.)

Rumor has it (and I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed, at least, according to my sources...) that SM hits/beats their artists whenever they make a mistake, and often they are driven to sickness by exhaustion and fatigue. Remember when Micky/Yoochun was in the hospital with appendicitis? Yah..there you go...

The probably only exception to the abuse is BoA, SM's favored artist, of whom I've heard indirectly from her coordinators that she's really stuck-up and really bossy. Hence, I do not like her (I never did.) - sorry BoA fans! (By all means keep liking her if you do!)

When the whole scare that DBSK was going to be rotated came around (meaning winter-spring time this year), did you see the members cry at the perf.s and such? Well, I believe they were screamed at, then hit around, and they were banned from going to any press conferences. They were split up (put into different rooms and such) and they weren't allowed to discuss anything regarding it. I believe if they were going to rotate, they had announced that JaeJoong and Yoochun would be the first to leave because they "cause so much trouble".

If the fans did not stage the boycott of SM goods, I believe they really would have rotated DBSK. Plus the fact that Changmin is still a minor and their parents can still sue SM under their contract.

So...if SM is so horrible..why would you sign on under it?

Because, it gives you FAME. SM is RUTHLESS when it comes to making it to the top, and you are almost guaranteed some sort of fame. Secondly, THEY PAY FOR YOUR COLLEGE. They give you all these opportunities that are probably pretty good.

...I believe (I remember reading this) an average SM group like DBSK makes around 3 CENTS or something per album/single they sell. That split 5 ways is less than 1 cent per member. Yah - in the end, it may add up, but really, SM just sucks out the profit. It's a money making machine in the entertainment business. SOO MAN TAKES MOST OF THE PROFITS HIMSELF - HE IS LIKE...ONE OF THE RICHEST MEN IN KOREA.

Basically...Lee Soo Man is running this company that controls everything that goes on in their artists' lives. Although he's NOT THE PRESIDENT, he has the MOST POWER. Don't ask me how that works...I'm not sure... -__-;;; Even the president resigned this year due to everything that's been going on. Basically...I CAN'T STAND LEE SOO MAN. He deserves...really bad things to happen to him. -__-;;;
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1. what do you mean by being rotated?? do you mean breaking them up??
What happened was...if you look at other SM groups, there usually is one or two lead singer(s) and the rest are rappers (those who can't sing as well but look pretty) or back-up singers. When DBSK was formed, they put 5 would-be "lead singers" (like - if they were all in different groups, they would all be the lead singers) together, and of course, it was very successful. HOWEVER - here's where the rotation part comes in. When SM was really gunning for their girl group SES (remember them? with Shoo, Eugene, and Bada), SM took them to Japan and China to gain more ground in the Asian music industry. But what happened was that when they left Korea, a new girl group was debuted under another company...you probably have heard of them too...FINKL (with Hyori, etc.) After the whole fiasco of FinkL becoming very popular in Korea and sharing SES's level of success (SES fans shifted to FinkL for the time being when they went to Japan and China), SM vowed to never have that happen again - to always have their artists be ..1 in Korea. So what did they do? They had this crazy idea to make DBSK a rotating group. That means when DBSK goes to Japan/China/other places, one or two members will be taken out to work with other groups/on solo projects in Korea, as to maintain DBSK popularity in Korea and eliminate rival groups. The original 5 would basically not perform with each other anymore - there would be like 3 or so originals, and 2 or so rotated members. The original members would all be rotated in and out in between solo projects and other group projects. Crazy - yes I know - but true. SM is one monopoly on the Korean music market.

2. what do they mean about Hiro and Micky causing trouble?? are they rebellious towards the company?? and if so, who wouldn't be...
Jaejoong/Hero/Hiro: They have fan meetings/signings yah? Well, apparently there were instances where there were LONG lines to meet DBSK. There were instances where there are 5 separate lines - one for each member. Well, one time, there was NO ONE in JAEJOONG'S LINE (T_T awww...I so would have gone in that line if I saw that!) and the managers who were coordinating the event were like..to fans in the other lines.. "do you want to get into this line?" and they would be like...NO! (GOSH! THEY'RE SO MEAN/RUDE! T_T) And it made Jaejoong really sad. The other members encouraged fans to get into JaeJoong's line, but apparently it didn't work. SM was beginning to believe Jaejoong was getting less popular, so they wanted him to work on other projects first - as a result.

Yoochun/Micky: ...I don't know if you noticed this, but around the time they were announcing the rotation, he began to cry/breaking down during performances (which, I heard, he got hit for T_T) and in SM's words... "causing trouble". Therefore, they wanted to remove him from DBSK first also.

Yes - I agree - I would be rebellious too..except..you get punished for doing so...like..being starved and getting beaten. -___-;;

3. by the way how did Shinhwa manage to get out of SM??
What happened was...Shinhwa decided to switch entertainment companies because they had enough with SM's controlling behavior (this was like..unheard of! Sm doesn't allow their artists to switch companies freely, especially if they are as popular as Shinhwa... Shinhwa = money in SM's eyes). They decided to move to Good! Entertainment, a brand new company with better management. SM couldn't FORCE them to stay, because Shinhwa's contracts had expired anyways (SM was seeking to renew, Shinhwa was seeking to move companies ASAP!). So, what did SM do? They sued Shinhwa for a bunch of stuff, and they claimed that if Shinhwa was to move companies, they can't use the name SHINHWA because of copyright issues. Therefore, there was a battle so to speak in court, and Shinhwa ended up winning. They retained their trademark name and moved to Good! Entertainment. Most artists who move struggle because SM makes it their duty to make sure they are crushed by SM artists. But knowing Shinhwa, they already had a HUGE fan base that was more than supportive of the move. They staged a movement where when their 7th album came out this past year, NO ONE was to post downloads in order to encourage people to buy it, and many fans bought more than one copy of it. =)

Side note: I'd say SM's biggest "rival" company is YG Entertainment - which manages artists such as Se7en, 1TYM, Taebin, etc. I don't know - just my opinion. Hence, the whole...Se7en's in Japan! DBSK must be in Japan too! thing...
THEN It was kimtaitai's message on Abaka that really got me she wrote:
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Hi~ I'm a current member of club H.O.T,
and am a fan of the now broken up group, H.O.T. ^^

These days the group DBSK have been performing a lot
and have caught my attention.
Not only that, I heard that one of the DBSK members was a
very big male fan of H.O.T., and that's how I first started to
learn more about DBSK

As I watch the way they act and their performance,
I couldn't help but to think that they are very similar
to H.O.T when they first started

H.O.T is seriously the god's to our generation,
so for people that were born around 82, 83, etc.
No one probably understand what they meant to us...

After Seotaiji and boys broke up, H.O.T. saved the
kpop music scene that was completely dying out.

All the teenagers were pulled into H.O.T.,
and within a year of their debut they received the top music award.
Out of all the major awards that H.O.T received, there must be awards
from at least 10 different music/television companies

When I see DBSK right now, the past H.O.T. fills my mind.
I was a freshman in high school when H.O.T. first debuted.
Now I am 22, and even today, when I go to performances or
concerts, I am looked as a young girl ^^

I heard that the majority of DBSK fans are junior high students,
and although many people say that they are young fans,
we were exactly like that too.

Whenever people saw us they called us H.O.T fanatics.
But then what about now? Even after 8-9 years
we are still here watching over them.

We hope that all the DBSK fans follow in our footsteps ^^

Liking H.O.T. for about 9 years,
I would like to give a little heads up and warnings about the company SM

I am someone that had a voice within the H.O.T fan club.

So I know a little more about the company SM, than most fans or normal people

At this moment, many H.O.T. fans have ventured out ^^
There are some that have become stars, others that became famous peoples' coordis,
and even some that have been hired into SM

Through these people we have learned that,
what we believed to be unfair treatment by SM, in reality, was very much true

SM claimed that the 2nd H.O.T. was blackbeat, but after their failure
they tried once again, and that group is DBSK

Silently leading the group with wit and talent, YoungWoong JaeJoong.
He is like MoonHeeJun.

Leader in dance, with the aura of a tough guy, but sometimes very cute, UKnowYunHo.
He is like JangWooHyuk.

Lived in the states, and able to speak English, very charismatic and outgoing, MickyYooChun.
He is like Tony.

With looks that can be looked as almost famine, and the image where you want to take care of him, ChoiKangChangMin.
He is like Kangta.

Looks that can be looked as average, but the type of person that the more you see the more you like, XiahJunSu.
He is like LeeJaeWon.

Two group that really have a lot in common, DBSK and H.O.T.
Maybe that's why, but we H.O.T. fans are genuinely scared that
the DBSK fans will have to face the hurt and disappointing ordeals we had to go through.
Especially because all of you are so young.

Cassiopeia fans...

SM is honestly a dangerous place.
As you like DBSK more I am sure that your hatred for SM will only grow

The first time H.O.T. began to get battered by LeeSooMan was during the beginning of their 3rd album
I'm not sure if you heard their 2nd album song, "Heng Bok"
That is the song H.O.T. received the DaeSang award,
and the album after that for every little mistake, they were hurt.

At that time, I believed that no matter what, it was merely just rumors
Slowly, everything I believed were rumors, were slowly turning into realities

By any chance do you know of Andy of ShinHwa's incident?
For awhile he was on stage wearing a mask wasn't he?
SM said some unbelievable stuff saying that he ran into something
or that JunJin fell while taking a shower.

Everyone continuously told us different things.
The important factor is that they ran into something or fell,
but why was only his mouth hurt? How come there were no signs of anything near their forehead or nose or any other facial part?

A few days before, Andy went into the SM building, and when he came out
he was wearing a mask, which many fans noticed.
Honestly, at that time I didn't believe it.

After JTL left SM, even after they released their album,
they weren't able to properly perform for a good 2 years.

Their schedules continuously got mysteriously cancelled,
and on cable t.v. their music video was not even showed ONCE.

That wasn't the famous SM-JTL boycott.
Boycott...

SM went to every television company and threatened that
in the case they brought JTL onto their broadcasting list, SM would pull out all their singers from that company

Many fans called JTL's company "YeJun Media" and asked what was happening,
but even from there they did not know.

This is a famous event,
It was when MoonHeeJun's 2nd album was supposed to come out

Fans were sleeping in front of HeeJun's house,
when HeeJun's mother came out and began to cry like no tomorrow.

She was begging to the fans to save HeeJun...
"Please save my HeeJun..."

HeeJun's first album sold 600,000 copies.
But SM said, "Merely 600,000?!"

They said they didn't want to invest in his 2nd album.
So for HeeJun's 2nd album, his music video, and jacket pictures...
he poured out his own money and savings.

Everyone.
Buy their album. That is helping DBSk.

Whenever H.O.T albums came out, we fans bought AT LEAST 2 copies.
That's the only reason whenever a new album came out they were able to surpass 1 million album sales.

And for that fact only...
that's the only reason the members were able to collect a little bit of money.

H.O.T. boys...
for every album they received approximately 2 cents.

After Boa released her first album,
she received 50 cents per album.

For five people if it's 2 cent, that means its not even a quarter cent per person.

Then you might ask...

"What about the commercials and photo albums, and all the other side things H.O.T did?"

To keep it simple,
the only money H.O.T members make is through album sales.

Any commercials, and any shows, anything,
all that money goes to SM.
So its basically an unjust contract, a slave contract.

We heard that the contract between DBSK and SM is immense,
but that's not always a good thing.

When one leaves SM you must pay a fee that is much higher than the contract,
and basically its to stop singers from leaving
Not only that they will take out a percentage of one's profits if one leaves.

Do you think the term "slave contract" came out of nowhere??
DBSK right now...they are probably having a really hard time.

Do you all know this?
The president of SM isn't LeeSooMan but, KimKyungWook.

To put it in lament terms...

Although on paper KimKyungWook is the president,
the person that makes all the decisions is LeeSooMan.

The reason,

SM has done a lot of illegal things.
And if those acts are caught, someone needs to be blamed.

So LeeSooMan screws up,
and KimKyungWook takes the blame.

If you look at it KimKyungWoo is a slave too. An SM slave.

H.O.T.'s old manager is currently working for a very famous company.

That person once said that H.O.T. are kids he truly feels sorry for,
and so they were kids that he wanted to save.

That person tried to take H.O.T. out of SM, but got caught by LeeSooMan
and was immediately fired. Right now he is working at SIDUS and is producing the group G.O.D.

That is the reason LeeSooMan hates G.O.D. so much.
So much to the point that any radio show SM singers host,
he makes it clear he doesn't want to hear them putting on G.O.D. songs.

Even though slave contract, unjust contracts are against the law,
LeeSooMan is living quite fine.

He is truly a rich man. Someone with so much money it is unbelievable.
Although he waste a lot of money, he always has more.

We raised SM
and then we were stepped on by SM and died.

All the money that came in from H.O.T was invested into BoA
and all the money they invested in BoA is being currently relearned.

But now H.O.T members have encountered so many scars,
and they are slowly being forgotten by people.

Along with Club H.O.T who set records as a fan club.

We all are being forgotten by people.

All of you will get older with DBSK.
We were the same.

We used to say that "we're aging together,"
and these days those words sound so sad

As time goes feelings will be stronger,
and we sincerely hope that DBSK doesn't endure the same scars from SM, as H.O.T. had.
Don't take the same hurt as we did.

Within DBSK, create an awesome fan culture.

With every childless statement, the fan image is slowly ruined.

Become fans that think about what you say,
when announcing you are their fans.

Don't ever be faltered by any rumors, and always trust the member.
Singers will never betray their fans.

Please don't do things that they don't like.
You shouldn't ever make your favorite singer feel disappointed n you.

If you are going to believe this and that, or just move on to someone else,
then don't like them from the start.
It will only be scars upon that singer/group.

As you grow older, even if you find a boyfriend
don't ever forget that you are DBSK fans.

At first it may just be a fantasy for you
but as time passes and as you grow older
you will realize that they mean a lot more to you than you know

In your heart, you will never forget your younger days
when you were their fans...

please make sure it is only memories that you will not regret... "

Credit: AsianFanatics and In:Com


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Got this article from this website!Touching isn't it?!Support DBSK all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!






OMG WHAT YOU WROTE IS SOOO FREAKING SAD>>. especially about the controlling their life part.. and the abusing.. AHHH!! and jaejoong no fans?? IS THAT EVEN POSSIBLE!!!! ??? i hope that's only a rumor.. because my friend in korea told me that he's the third most popular after micky and xiah... but n/e ways.. the beating part?!!? GRR IT BETTER NOT bE TRUE!! n the money... yikes... i hope these are all rumors..i dont want them just to kick them out later on cuz they're old..
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jjjustine:HeHe.........my comp doesn't have a dvd burner.....can't upload it.......sorry......but most of the contents can be found in youtube already.......they just missed the interview part(i think)

Finay:I'm not sure..........because the mag really wrote it like that......it's an interview.......maybe we are the ones who are too sensitive........think too much whenever the boys are being shot with girls around them......maybe they are ordinary friends?Who knows?

But guys,i've got something to share......it's about our boys and Lee Soo Man read it!
I got this on myspace from a fan, Pass it on DBSK FITTING!!!!!

SO I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE IN: COMPLETE FORUM N FOUND THIS
IT MAINLY TALK ABOUT THE ABUSIVE SINGERS SUCH AS DBSK, H.O.T, SHINHWA HAVE TO ENDURE
I BELIEVE THAT MANY OF U WONT AGREE BUT I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID HERE.
NOT LONG AGO,,, SEVERAL MONTHS I GUESS
THERE WAS A POLL HOLD BY A TELEVISION PROGRAM OR SOMETHING SIMILAR.. TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH MONEY KRN CALEB MAKE
TO OUR SURPRISE, NEARLY 70%OR 80% OF THE CALEB MAKE ONLY NEARLY 1MILLION WON=$1000 ON A PROJECT
N VERY LITTLE PERCENT EARN MORE THAN 5MILLION WON
N I KNOW THAT THE POLL IS TRUE
I DIDN'T HEAR IT SOMEWHERE
I ACTUALLY SAW AN ARTICLE OF NEWS ABOUT IT
NOT JUST SOMEONE TOLD ME OR SOMEONE ON SOME FORUM POST A TOPIC

AND REMEMBER TO ALWAYS BE DBSK FAN (IF U R). ONCE A FAN, ALWAYS A FAN. REMEMBER THAT. IF U GOING TO JUST FORGET THEM AFTER THEY R NOT THAT POPULAR ANYMORE, THEN DON LIKE THEM FROM THE START (JUST LIKE THIS STUFF IMMA SHOW U SAY)
.. IMAGINE U R A STAR AS BIG AS DBSK... RECEIVING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF LOVE, ENCOURAGE WORDS FROM UR FANS.. AND ONLY TO FIND OUT LATER THAT IT WAS ALL LIE
THAT ALL UR PASSION, ALL YOUR WORK TO KEEP THOSE LIES ALIVE ARE WORTHLESS...
LIKING THEM NOW, FORGET THEM LATER ON WILL ONLY LEAVE DBSK'S WITH HURTFUL SCARS...

HERE GO THE ~

N I KNOW THIS IS LONG.. BUT IT REALLY WORTH READING...
I READ IT TWICE..

"Okay - here's how the whole story goes... Lee Soo Man is the head producer - he's basically in charge of everything that goes on in SM... (SM used to stand for Soo Man but it's something else now..I forget...Star something...) He's like..completely horrible!

I mean, personally, I have nothing against SM the label, it's more like..the people who run it.

There's a saying in Korea that states: "If you don't make it with SM then you can't make it anywhere." It's actually half true. The reason Shinhwa broke away from SM is that they couldn't stand not being able to participate in recording their album (like writing songs, being more active in the whole process, not being controlled), and the only reason why they're still doing fine is that their fan base is HUGE and the fans are VERY supportive of their split from SM. (I LOVE SHINHWA! *random* <3 ) Shinhwa was fed up with their songs being controlled, and fed up with being hit and bullied by SM managers. -__-;;

As for HOT not getting back together, it's really crappy. Moon HeeJun from HOT went solo, as you may know, and after his first album, they withdrew funding from him and decided to focus on the "hotter, newer stars" like DBSK and BoA. Basically, he was left on the back burner and left to fend for himself. He released his later albums from money in his own pocket and donations from loyal fans. Awww...

Basically, when you get old/get less popular in SM, they just leave you to rot. They'll discard you like an old sock.

SM controls your life - when you sign on, you're basically signing away your soul. When DBSK was first formed, Soo Man gave the order to put the boys on a water diet (they basically starved the boys to the extreme) to make their faces slimmer so that they look better in pictures. They often try to get artists to get plastic surgery in order to boost their appearances. No joke. SM goes for looks first, then talent. (They got lucky with DBSK - looks AND talent.)

Rumor has it (and I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed, at least, according to my sources...) that SM hits/beats their artists whenever they make a mistake, and often they are driven to sickness by exhaustion and fatigue. Remember when Micky/Yoochun was in the hospital with appendicitis? Yah..there you go...

The probably only exception to the abuse is BoA, SM's favored artist, of whom I've heard indirectly from her coordinators that she's really stuck-up and really bossy. Hence, I do not like her (I never did.) - sorry BoA fans! (By all means keep liking her if you do!)

When the whole scare that DBSK was going to be rotated came around (meaning winter-spring time this year), did you see the members cry at the perf.s and such? Well, I believe they were screamed at, then hit around, and they were banned from going to any press conferences. They were split up (put into different rooms and such) and they weren't allowed to discuss anything regarding it. I believe if they were going to rotate, they had announced that JaeJoong and Yoochun would be the first to leave because they "cause so much trouble".

If the fans did not stage the boycott of SM goods, I believe they really would have rotated DBSK. Plus the fact that Changmin is still a minor and their parents can still sue SM under their contract.

So...if SM is so horrible..why would you sign on under it?

Because, it gives you FAME. SM is RUTHLESS when it comes to making it to the top, and you are almost guaranteed some sort of fame. Secondly, THEY PAY FOR YOUR COLLEGE. They give you all these opportunities that are probably pretty good.

...I believe (I remember reading this) an average SM group like DBSK makes around 3 CENTS or something per album/single they sell. That split 5 ways is less than 1 cent per member. Yah - in the end, it may add up, but really, SM just sucks out the profit. It's a money making machine in the entertainment business. SOO MAN TAKES MOST OF THE PROFITS HIMSELF - HE IS LIKE...ONE OF THE RICHEST MEN IN KOREA.

Basically...Lee Soo Man is running this company that controls everything that goes on in their artists' lives. Although he's NOT THE PRESIDENT, he has the MOST POWER. Don't ask me how that works...I'm not sure... -__-;;; Even the president resigned this year due to everything that's been going on. Basically...I CAN'T STAND LEE SOO MAN. He deserves...really bad things to happen to him. -__-;;;
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1. what do you mean by being rotated?? do you mean breaking them up??
What happened was...if you look at other SM groups, there usually is one or two lead singer(s) and the rest are rappers (those who can't sing as well but look pretty) or back-up singers. When DBSK was formed, they put 5 would-be "lead singers" (like - if they were all in different groups, they would all be the lead singers) together, and of course, it was very successful. HOWEVER - here's where the rotation part comes in. When SM was really gunning for their girl group SES (remember them? with Shoo, Eugene, and Bada), SM took them to Japan and China to gain more ground in the Asian music industry. But what happened was that when they left Korea, a new girl group was debuted under another company...you probably have heard of them too...FINKL (with Hyori, etc.) After the whole fiasco of FinkL becoming very popular in Korea and sharing SES's level of success (SES fans shifted to FinkL for the time being when they went to Japan and China), SM vowed to never have that happen again - to always have their artists be ..1 in Korea. So what did they do? They had this crazy idea to make DBSK a rotating group. That means when DBSK goes to Japan/China/other places, one or two members will be taken out to work with other groups/on solo projects in Korea, as to maintain DBSK popularity in Korea and eliminate rival groups. The original 5 would basically not perform with each other anymore - there would be like 3 or so originals, and 2 or so rotated members. The original members would all be rotated in and out in between solo projects and other group projects. Crazy - yes I know - but true. SM is one monopoly on the Korean music market.

2. what do they mean about Hiro and Micky causing trouble?? are they rebellious towards the company?? and if so, who wouldn't be...
Jaejoong/Hero/Hiro: They have fan meetings/signings yah? Well, apparently there were instances where there were LONG lines to meet DBSK. There were instances where there are 5 separate lines - one for each member. Well, one time, there was NO ONE in JAEJOONG'S LINE (T_T awww...I so would have gone in that line if I saw that!) and the managers who were coordinating the event were like..to fans in the other lines.. "do you want to get into this line?" and they would be like...NO! (GOSH! THEY'RE SO MEAN/RUDE! T_T) And it made Jaejoong really sad. The other members encouraged fans to get into JaeJoong's line, but apparently it didn't work. SM was beginning to believe Jaejoong was getting less popular, so they wanted him to work on other projects first - as a result.

Yoochun/Micky: ...I don't know if you noticed this, but around the time they were announcing the rotation, he began to cry/breaking down during performances (which, I heard, he got hit for T_T) and in SM's words... "causing trouble". Therefore, they wanted to remove him from DBSK first also.

Yes - I agree - I would be rebellious too..except..you get punished for doing so...like..being starved and getting beaten. -___-;;

3. by the way how did Shinhwa manage to get out of SM??
What happened was...Shinhwa decided to switch entertainment companies because they had enough with SM's controlling behavior (this was like..unheard of! Sm doesn't allow their artists to switch companies freely, especially if they are as popular as Shinhwa... Shinhwa = money in SM's eyes). They decided to move to Good! Entertainment, a brand new company with better management. SM couldn't FORCE them to stay, because Shinhwa's contracts had expired anyways (SM was seeking to renew, Shinhwa was seeking to move companies ASAP!). So, what did SM do? They sued Shinhwa for a bunch of stuff, and they claimed that if Shinhwa was to move companies, they can't use the name SHINHWA because of copyright issues. Therefore, there was a battle so to speak in court, and Shinhwa ended up winning. They retained their trademark name and moved to Good! Entertainment. Most artists who move struggle because SM makes it their duty to make sure they are crushed by SM artists. But knowing Shinhwa, they already had a HUGE fan base that was more than supportive of the move. They staged a movement where when their 7th album came out this past year, NO ONE was to post downloads in order to encourage people to buy it, and many fans bought more than one copy of it. =)

Side note: I'd say SM's biggest "rival" company is YG Entertainment - which manages artists such as Se7en, 1TYM, Taebin, etc. I don't know - just my opinion. Hence, the whole...Se7en's in Japan! DBSK must be in Japan too! thing...
THEN It was kimtaitai's message on Abaka that really got me she wrote:
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Hi~ I'm a current member of club H.O.T,
and am a fan of the now broken up group, H.O.T. ^^

These days the group DBSK have been performing a lot
and have caught my attention.
Not only that, I heard that one of the DBSK members was a
very big male fan of H.O.T., and that's how I first started to
learn more about DBSK

As I watch the way they act and their performance,
I couldn't help but to think that they are very similar
to H.O.T when they first started

H.O.T is seriously the god's to our generation,
so for people that were born around 82, 83, etc.
No one probably understand what they meant to us...

After Seotaiji and boys broke up, H.O.T. saved the
kpop music scene that was completely dying out.

All the teenagers were pulled into H.O.T.,
and within a year of their debut they received the top music award.
Out of all the major awards that H.O.T received, there must be awards
from at least 10 different music/television companies

When I see DBSK right now, the past H.O.T. fills my mind.
I was a freshman in high school when H.O.T. first debuted.
Now I am 22, and even today, when I go to performances or
concerts, I am looked as a young girl ^^

I heard that the majority of DBSK fans are junior high students,
and although many people say that they are young fans,
we were exactly like that too.

Whenever people saw us they called us H.O.T fanatics.
But then what about now? Even after 8-9 years
we are still here watching over them.

We hope that all the DBSK fans follow in our footsteps ^^

Liking H.O.T. for about 9 years,
I would like to give a little heads up and warnings about the company SM

I am someone that had a voice within the H.O.T fan club.

So I know a little more about the company SM, than most fans or normal people

At this moment, many H.O.T. fans have ventured out ^^
There are some that have become stars, others that became famous peoples' coordis,
and even some that have been hired into SM

Through these people we have learned that,
what we believed to be unfair treatment by SM, in reality, was very much true

SM claimed that the 2nd H.O.T. was blackbeat, but after their failure
they tried once again, and that group is DBSK

Silently leading the group with wit and talent, YoungWoong JaeJoong.
He is like MoonHeeJun.

Leader in dance, with the aura of a tough guy, but sometimes very cute, UKnowYunHo.
He is like JangWooHyuk.

Lived in the states, and able to speak English, very charismatic and outgoing, MickyYooChun.
He is like Tony.

With looks that can be looked as almost famine, and the image where you want to take care of him, ChoiKangChangMin.
He is like Kangta.

Looks that can be looked as average, but the type of person that the more you see the more you like, XiahJunSu.
He is like LeeJaeWon.

Two group that really have a lot in common, DBSK and H.O.T.
Maybe that's why, but we H.O.T. fans are genuinely scared that
the DBSK fans will have to face the hurt and disappointing ordeals we had to go through.
Especially because all of you are so young.

Cassiopeia fans...

SM is honestly a dangerous place.
As you like DBSK more I am sure that your hatred for SM will only grow

The first time H.O.T. began to get battered by LeeSooMan was during the beginning of their 3rd album
I'm not sure if you heard their 2nd album song, "Heng Bok"
That is the song H.O.T. received the DaeSang award,
and the album after that for every little mistake, they were hurt.

At that time, I believed that no matter what, it was merely just rumors
Slowly, everything I believed were rumors, were slowly turning into realities

By any chance do you know of Andy of ShinHwa's incident?
For awhile he was on stage wearing a mask wasn't he?
SM said some unbelievable stuff saying that he ran into something
or that JunJin fell while taking a shower.

Everyone continuously told us different things.
The important factor is that they ran into something or fell,
but why was only his mouth hurt? How come there were no signs of anything near their forehead or nose or any other facial part?

A few days before, Andy went into the SM building, and when he came out
he was wearing a mask, which many fans noticed.
Honestly, at that time I didn't believe it.

After JTL left SM, even after they released their album,
they weren't able to properly perform for a good 2 years.

Their schedules continuously got mysteriously cancelled,
and on cable t.v. their music video was not even showed ONCE.

That wasn't the famous SM-JTL boycott.
Boycott...

SM went to every television company and threatened that
in the case they brought JTL onto their broadcasting list, SM would pull out all their singers from that company

Many fans called JTL's company "YeJun Media" and asked what was happening,
but even from there they did not know.

This is a famous event,
It was when MoonHeeJun's 2nd album was supposed to come out

Fans were sleeping in front of HeeJun's house,
when HeeJun's mother came out and began to cry like no tomorrow.

She was begging to the fans to save HeeJun...
"Please save my HeeJun..."

HeeJun's first album sold 600,000 copies.
But SM said, "Merely 600,000?!"

They said they didn't want to invest in his 2nd album.
So for HeeJun's 2nd album, his music video, and jacket pictures...
he poured out his own money and savings.

Everyone.
Buy their album. That is helping DBSk.

Whenever H.O.T albums came out, we fans bought AT LEAST 2 copies.
That's the only reason whenever a new album came out they were able to surpass 1 million album sales.

And for that fact only...
that's the only reason the members were able to collect a little bit of money.

H.O.T. boys...
for every album they received approximately 2 cents.

After Boa released her first album,
she received 50 cents per album.

For five people if it's 2 cent, that means its not even a quarter cent per person.

Then you might ask...

"What about the commercials and photo albums, and all the other side things H.O.T did?"

To keep it simple,
the only money H.O.T members make is through album sales.

Any commercials, and any shows, anything,
all that money goes to SM.
So its basically an unjust contract, a slave contract.

We heard that the contract between DBSK and SM is immense,
but that's not always a good thing.

When one leaves SM you must pay a fee that is much higher than the contract,
and basically its to stop singers from leaving
Not only that they will take out a percentage of one's profits if one leaves.

Do you think the term "slave contract" came out of nowhere??
DBSK right now...they are probably having a really hard time.

Do you all know this?
The president of SM isn't LeeSooMan but, KimKyungWook.

To put it in lament terms...

Although on paper KimKyungWook is the president,
the person that makes all the decisions is LeeSooMan.

The reason,

SM has done a lot of illegal things.
And if those acts are caught, someone needs to be blamed.

So LeeSooMan screws up,
and KimKyungWook takes the blame.

If you look at it KimKyungWoo is a slave too. An SM slave.

H.O.T.'s old manager is currently working for a very famous company.

That person once said that H.O.T. are kids he truly feels sorry for,
and so they were kids that he wanted to save.

That person tried to take H.O.T. out of SM, but got caught by LeeSooMan
and was immediately fired. Right now he is working at SIDUS and is producing the group G.O.D.

That is the reason LeeSooMan hates G.O.D. so much.
So much to the point that any radio show SM singers host,
he makes it clear he doesn't want to hear them putting on G.O.D. songs.

Even though slave contract, unjust contracts are against the law,
LeeSooMan is living quite fine.

He is truly a rich man. Someone with so much money it is unbelievable.
Although he waste a lot of money, he always has more.

We raised SM
and then we were stepped on by SM and died.

All the money that came in from H.O.T was invested into BoA
and all the money they invested in BoA is being currently relearned.

But now H.O.T members have encountered so many scars,
and they are slowly being forgotten by people.

Along with Club H.O.T who set records as a fan club.

We all are being forgotten by people.

All of you will get older with DBSK.
We were the same.

We used to say that "we're aging together,"
and these days those words sound so sad

As time goes feelings will be stronger,
and we sincerely hope that DBSK doesn't endure the same scars from SM, as H.O.T. had.
Don't take the same hurt as we did.

Within DBSK, create an awesome fan culture.

With every childless statement, the fan image is slowly ruined.

Become fans that think about what you say,
when announcing you are their fans.

Don't ever be faltered by any rumors, and always trust the member.
Singers will never betray their fans.

Please don't do things that they don't like.
You shouldn't ever make your favorite singer feel disappointed n you.

If you are going to believe this and that, or just move on to someone else,
then don't like them from the start.
It will only be scars upon that singer/group.

As you grow older, even if you find a boyfriend
don't ever forget that you are DBSK fans.

At first it may just be a fantasy for you
but as time passes and as you grow older
you will realize that they mean a lot more to you than you know

In your heart, you will never forget your younger days
when you were their fans...

please make sure it is only memories that you will not regret... "

Credit: AsianFanatics and In:Com


Credits to:http://www.tvxq.thandergirl.com/news.htm
Got this article from this website!Touching isn't it?!Support DBSK all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

...我爱你...

OMG!!! Are you serious?! They hit them?! That's illegal!
Awwwwwwwwww....those poor poor artists.....and to believe I was actually a fan of BoA?!
Man, Shinhwa was lucky to get away from Lee Soo Man. I hope DBSK will get into a better company in the future like Shinhwa, and will still have a humongous fanbase.
Why the hell is Lee Soo Man so cruel and treats the artists like dirt?!

...你爱我...
Mabe
Here are some caps of their performance 4 Music Fighter!
Sorry there small lol!
Jaejoong sticks his tongue out again but it isnt as cute as the other perf b4! But still cute!! biggrin.gif

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CuteAznBunni
too many posts to catch up on...lmao..i kinda stopped reading after a while...and just looked at the pics...
HERO IS SO SKINNY NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! what's wrong?? > . <
and why does Yoochun have a hole in his sweater??lmao

thanks for those who..KINDA..helped me...decide which mv 2 download..lol..maybe i should first go watch all of them on youtube..then decide..lol...

I LOVE THEIR ACAPPELLAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! BEST THINGS IN THE WORLD!!!!!!!!! so good! they are so..GOOD!!!!!!!!!!!! AHH! hot and musically talented = AWESOME biggrin.gif
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JJJustine: OMG changmin is sooo good lookin...omg in the pic of rising sun was jj's leg was injured or is it before that??? cluebat.gif

hahaahahahah maxxie baby was cute now sexily HOT infatuated.gif loool.gif
OMGOMG SM is SOOOO evil...SUE THEM and LEE SOO MAN it hurts 2 say his name so HIM protest.gif protest.gif i'll like do this bash.gif and this violent-smiley-043.gif and this kakaka.gif violent-smiley-043.gif and then emo6.gif walk dog.gif loser.gif stuck.gif protest.gif protest.gif protest.gif MOB MOB angry MOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHOSE WITH ME?!!
Naro
QUOTE(tvFxq_lover @ Aug 26 2006 5 00 AM) [snapback]2851277[/snapback]

JJJustine: OMG changmin is sooo good lookin...omg in the pic of rising sun was jj's leg was injured or is it before that??? cluebat.gif

hahaahahahah maxxie baby was cute now sexily HOT infatuated.gif loool.gif
OMGOMG SM is SOOOO evil...SUE THEM and LEE SOO MAN it hurts 2 say his name so HIM protest.gif protest.gif i'll like do this bash.gif and this violent-smiley-043.gif and this kakaka.gif violent-smiley-043.gif and then emo6.gif walk dog.gif loser.gif stuck.gif protest.gif protest.gif protest.gif MOB MOB angry MOB!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WHOSE WITH ME?!!


here here...am wid u girl...love wat u did wid all those smiley thin' goin on...it pretty much wraps up all our sentiments regardin the matter clapping.gif clapping.gif clapping.gif

DBSK singin do-re-me
just saw it in you tube...absolutely hilarious...the boys are real funny!!! ...wish i could dwnload it 4m somwer.
Mabe
Ok here is the youtube link 2 the SKY LIVE performance!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ERvAzJmh2Dc

Enjoy
Kimmy `xDDD
PAGE 98 iS MiNE yeh yeah <3

JAE TiME !!!
damn ! he looks so hot. haha `xD
omo shoot jaejoong is just adorable.


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^^^ this is one cute dorky guy `x)
gosh he's so kyoot ! & i'm loving those
glasses haha. [ angel face ]


creditz to imma + cy + szewei@Kpop Kingdom
wingless_anjo
Hey~~ i've JUST recently wel.. this is my first time posting in this DBSK forum.. and i'm too lazy to read all those other 96 pages!! so i want to ask.... is it really true that Hero got replaced? i mean u guys are still posting pictures of him and I've NEVER heard of it before but on here.... i don't think it's true.. right? i mean that one picture on page one could've been photo shpped. and plus DBSK's japanese single just came out and like hero was still with them.... so it's obvious that it not true right? because if it is i don't like DBSK anymore..... i'll only like Max, Micky YunHo and Xiah ---___---
711
okay i posted this in hero's forum ... already... lOL but i am gonna post it in here too... so i asked my friend today about the beating thingy and she said that it's probably true...Hero gets beat up the most because he's the oldest.. and some fans DID capture pictures of him having bruises next to his mouth etc.. but he claimed that he fell...and about the autograph thingy... she also mention taht it's quite impossible because max and yunho are the least popular members.. so if it's true then it's probably one of those members.. (SIGH>> but max and yunho are so hot ..!)
JUSTINE }

Gah...so behind! I can't go online at night anymore...dad takes out the cord of the monitor and puts it in his room. Gah, so evil, no?

I still haven't read that post of LSM and of the TVXQ members. I will when I have the time.



NEWS:

TVXQ ON TOP 100 BACHELOR LIST
Yeahhh! So neat.

Yunho at number 8
JaeJoong at number 16
Yoochun at number 21
Junsu at number 55
Changmin at number 76

You can find them at the picture below:
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2657/100mv8.jpg



PICTURES:

JAEJOONG AT AIRPORT
His haiiirr!

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Credits: 불면증 + Kartel + Sannie + Soompi
Upload credits: jjjustine @ AFf


MORE 'DATING ON EARTH' PHOTOS
Hot, hot, hot.

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Credits: 불면증 + Kartel + Sannie + seven @ Soompi
Upload credits: jjjustine @ AFf


GIFs
Cuuutee.

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Performing 'Sky'.

Credits: Bestiz + Sannie + wishywashy @ Soompi
pcm_0101
TO ALL TVXQ LOVERS(no specific person)

ahah..jaejoong looks cute sticking out his tongue...

how could sm treat my boys and the others so badly...omg, i feel so terribly bad..i dont know what to say..how dare they do that...i feel so terrible..if only i could take that away...omg, i feel like crying...i'd rather have them transfer to another company or give up their career...i know that for me thats such a huge shock if they do but i dont want to hear that they get treated badly..its the worst thing i could ever think..im pretty sure you girls think so too...we just love them too much to see them get hurt...eh, i feel hopeless and impossiblke inside....

and how could they favor boa..im not trying to be mean but all of sm's artist are great..aww, my jaejoong and yoochun gets more of the beating..errggh..im happy chingmin doesnt get abused but still, the others i care so much for, if i could help them i would...i would punish sm..*fists*...i cannot bare this no more...if theres anything i could do i would do anything to help
Renfusgrl (call me aya)
So I'm probably in LOVE with Jaejoong I mean seriously when I look at a picture of him my heart skips a beat!
kimi_moon88
Oh, there's no limit for voting on this poll ----------------> http://kr.rival.kids.yahoo.com/rival/scrip...view&cd=116 !!! So vote for DBSK as much as u want!!!:D REMINDER: the poll ends Sept.15!!!
JeLLieZ
come someone please upload the mp3 for i wanna hold u ?
thanks biggrin.gif

edit.: thanks i got it! = )

btw does anyone know the song from their first korean album..triangle..
anyway
i think it only has a korean name and i only heard it when my korean friend let me hear it..
its something about a kid or osmething to do with that
well if anyone can upload that song as well as drive it would be highly appreciated! = )
i-know
bella_mygga_insek&all the cassiopeias:Umm.........beating is of course illegal in every country down.gif .........including Korea.....but it is just an article written by people.......dunno if it is true......but hope not, or else our boys will be suffering to death because they have a 10 year contract with SM............anyway........the boys respect Lee Soo Man very much and they express it in their interviews recorded in their dvd......They said that he was like a father to them.........but who knows?Maybe they have to say good things about him because his the BOSS........ blink.gif


Yikes,lets talk about something more happier.........yes our boys were in for the most eligible bachelors,and they scored well,especially YunHo Oppa....okay,here i found a interesting quiz.....do it and get to know who is your future hubby.HaHa............ cluebat.gif lmao.gif laugh.gif


this is it.........are you ready for it?!
who is your hubby quiz
JUSTINE }

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You have Max! Max is kiddy cute and has this childish grin that makes you sigh and say he's so cute! He's the person that would make you smile all the time. [So CUTE!!!]

Take this quiz!


OH-EM-GEE! I GOT CHANGMIN! GAAAHH, I AM SSSOO HAPPY! Finally, a result that I am so happy about. Thanks for posting the link, i-know! I've been looking for a TVXQ-related quiz online and you happened to just post one now. *huggles*


JeLLieZ: Here you go! I hope you can download it.

TVXQ - "I Wanna Hold You"

Make sure to edit that post of your request so that no one else will upload it for you.
koguma
I really do like this forum. It is not like the other forums. It just seems like a family I think. laugh.gif

I have never thought that LSM will be that cruel to them, because in their interview it seems like he takes care of the boys andn the boys respectsn him in return. Well...........reading those fact made feel awful. How can he treat people who works for him like that. I feel sad for the boys. They have to keep everything to themselves and yet they still smilling for us weeping.gif

And why do they favor BOA more than the others?? really doesn't make sense to me.

DBSQ FIGHTING, DON'T LOSE TO THAT PERSON, HANG ON TIGHT OK.......
FiNaY
justine:
ahhh, your posts really make my day!!! haha.......thier just so lively and full of TVXQ goodness..... biggrin.gif hug.gif ......anyways, so those pics of them in the tanks are them shooting for their drama eh?? haha......thought that they were shooting for something......i knew that they just wouldn't be just hanging out like that.......bwahaha tongue.gif ......as i said before, LOVE the guys 'airport' outfits!!! bwahaha......is that a hole in Yoochun's shirt?? is he wearing a shirt underneath?? tee hee blush.gif ......and Junsu looks cute when his hair is flat tongue.gif ........and that lucky granny!! hehe......awww, they're cute with her tho.....very precious!!! biggrin.gif

and Yunho shouldn't say such things!!! he is def. wanted!!! haha......TVXQ would not be the same if he wasn't there.......i really hope that he was kidding when he said that...... down.gif ......of couse, the guys need him.....we need him!! haha......ahhh, he'll be back on his feet in no time..... thumbsup.gif .....and yah, that sucks that Jang and Junsu won't be in the MV......"Timeless" is such a nice song......you know it's a cover song right?? hehe......but yea, still can't wait to see the 'dramatic' MV!!! and all isn't lost.......still has SuJu cuties in there.......hehe.....gahh, i bet i'll cry!! tongue.gif blush.gif

weee!!! PICSPAMS!!! bwahahaha........girl, you are KILLING me with those!!! laugh.gif tongue.gif .......ok, let me take it all in....... innocent.gif ......the Dating on Earth pics are hot....haha.......love the guys in tanks and love when JJ's tattoo peaks out......hehe tongue.gif ....so Yunho wasn't filming with them?? down.gif ......cause he's not in any of the pics......wahhh!!! i miss him...... wacko.gif ........but yea, who's that guy hugging all up on Minnie?? bwahaha......lucky guy!!! tongue.gif ......but gahh, the guys are too skinny!!! look at JJ!!! shock.gif ......i mean, he still has the body but he just looks so skinny now......like i said, Minnie needs to give up the food to them!! bwahaha tongue.gif laugh.gif

wahhh!!! bachelors?? haha......so cool.......congrats to them!!! clapping.gif .......but aww, Minnie go the lowest......hehe......it's cause he's still young......but wow, Yunho got #8?? that's pretty awesome!!! thumbsup.gif .....and i see ALL 5 of them in that gif!!! yahhh!!! haha.....now doesn't that look better?? biggrin.gif ......and look at JJ..... tongue.gif .......he's happy that Yunho got to perform too....... laugh.gif

Amy:
bwahaha......awww, i've seen the vid where Yoochun and Junsu were stuffing their faces!! laugh.gif ......they looked so embarrassed......esp. Junsu......bwahaha......he tried not to chew so much and stuff.......ahhh, it's fine!! the guys are cute when they eat!! biggrin.gif .......and plus, they NEED to eat!!! bwahaha tongue.gif .......and love it when they do self-cams......but i haven't seen that one yet......so will watch that one soon!! thanks for sharing btw!!! biggrin.gif happy.gif hug.gif

TVXQ Soul Max:
haha........i know your question has been answered already but yea, Junsu does have a twin brother......they do kinda look different......in childhood pics, his twin is taller.......haha.......as a matter of fact, here's a pic of them......with their mom too!! haha......i know how some of you guys wanted to see how Junsu's mom looked like too........since she was a former Miss Korea.....she's pretty!! hehe.......Junsu soo looks like her..... tongue.gif .......but yea, his bro is handsome......

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courtesy of: honeyhong's blog happy.gif

look how much taller his bro is.......haha......... laugh.gif .......but i dunno if he can sing like Junsu tho......haha......that'd be cool if he did tho!! happy.gif

and you're welcome for the MV's!!! it's no problem!!! hehe blush.gif

JeLLieZ:
hey there!!! i have that song!! hehe......here you go....enjoy it!!! biggrin.gif happy.gif

Xiah - Resignation

btw, would anyone happen to know what perf. this was from?? i saw a clip of this on YouTube.......looked like some sort of concert?? hehe blush.gif

i-know:
ahh, ok i see.......haha.....yea, i guess that some of those girls they take pics with are friends.......hehe.......but who knows anymore......bwahaha wacko.gif ......unless the guys say so themselves..... tongue.gif

anyways, yea i read that about SM before.......gahhh, just so painful to read.......so i didn't bother reading it again......some of those things are just hard to believe you know?? like, how can a person do that to another you know?? but i feel that SOME of it's true to an extent.....it may be exaggerated a bit but may be true.......i dunno.......i just really hope that LSM's not that harsh......tho i don't really like the guy anyways wacko.gif .......ahhh, so many bad rumors like this about the company.....but you know, they're one of the biggest, stongest companies out there now......and they did bring us TVXQ.....so we have to be thankful to them for that......haha......but other than that, i wish that we could know the truth.......and if stuff like this really happens, i wish that we could do something about it too....... wacko.gif ......just mixed up emotions about this.....argh!!! wacko.gif cluebat.gif down.gif duh.gif .......anyways, thanks for sharing that!! happy.gif

and thanks for sharing that quiz!! here's who i got........tee hee.......didn't someone post this before?? i don't remember.......bwahaha.......anywho:

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You have Hero! Hero is the lead vocal of this band. He's a pretty boy but is always nice and helpful. He has a beautiful voice that would make your heart melt.

weee!!! yay!!! haha.....and i agree with everything up there!!! thumbsup.gif clapping.gif

koguma, extrafugly, and wingless_anjo:
welcome to the thread guys!!! have fun here!!! biggrin.gif happy.gif thumbsup.gif

koguma: yea, i'm at soompi too.......hehe......if you could give me the link to that thread or something, i could try to DL it for you and upload it or something......cause i love those shows too!! haha......but i haven't seen full ones with any of the TVXQ members in it....... sweat.gif

wingless_anjo: ahh, those rumors about JJ getting replaced are WAY old.......haha......i don't even think he was gonna get replaced......i dunno.....but yea, no worries none of the guys are leaving or getting replaced......cause us fans would go crazy on SM if they did that yea?? bwahahaha tongue.gif cluebat.gif

Mabe:
ahhh!!! so that's JJ's new color!!! haha.......i like too!! biggrin.gif thumbsup.gif ......gahh, i really thought that it was gonna be like a golden blonde or something tongue.gif .......but yea, that's like how his hair was before......like a light to medium brown......hehe......i actually wanted his hair back to that color.......haha......cause yea, he had the black for TOO long!! tongue.gif ......tho it still looked hot on him.......hehe happy.gif ......thanks again btw!! smile.gif .....and for the "Sky" stuff too!! thumbsup.gif

twee:
hey!!! haha biggrin.gif ......but yea, i'm one of those who LOVED Minnie's hair during the Rising Sun days.....and i know also justine too......haha tongue.gif .......but yea, i really liked how it was cut.....and styled....that's like the perfect style for him..... thumbsup.gif .......but of course, he's still a cutie now with the hair he has.....haha tongue.gif

Kimburly:
you're indulging in the pic spam too?? tongue.gif ........haha.......love it tho!!! those JJ pics are to die for......he makes sexy poses even when he tries not to......bwahaha......and i never knew how goofy he was..... laugh.gif .......how i'd love to be those glasses on his face......hehe innocent.gif ....thanks again dear!! happy.gif hug.gif

bella:
aww, it's quite alright........hehe.......but yea, i don't remember......did you say that the ones you saw had subs?? hehe blush.gif .......the only one i know had subs was Yunho's.......or did you already say that it didn't have subs?? bwahaha.......gahhh, sorry for the slowness...... duh.gif blush.gif

and about that "Timeless" song.......did you know that was a cover song?? haha.....yea, the American Idols Kelly Clarkson and Justin Guarini, from season 1, originally sang that song.....their version is good too tho.....but i loved how Junsu sounded it their version.......hehe innocent.gif .....but yea, i don't really listen to Cpop so i dunno.....hehe blush.gif .......but i love the beat and stuff...... happy.gif

CuteAznBunni:
yea, you should watch MV's on YouTube.......hehe....then you can decide which is your fave blush.gif .......tho the quality might not be so great........haha.....but i have most of their MV's so if you want any, give me nudge!! haha biggrin.gif ........but i agree, with you that the guys are getting skinnier now.......esp. poor JJ........hehe.......he needs to freakin' eat tongue.gif .......and you noticed that hole too in Yoochun's sweater?? haha.....maybe it was made like that laugh.gif .....and yah!!! omg, i love all their acapellas!!! their voices blend so well together......they should make an acapella album yea?? thumbsup.gif

rebekah:
ahh, thanks for the link again!!! KEEP ON VOTING FOR THEM GUYS!!!! the thing end next month right?? hehe........so yea, keep on voting!!! thumbsup.gif yeah.gif clapping.gif
extrafugly
wooo more pics!! hehe
dude ok...dis thread grows like..3 pages everyday xPP
its CRAZZYY!
but cool...
means more TVXQ STUFF! XDDD
wah i gotta go to dinner with randoms tonight...
ANYWAY!!
lol
jaejoongs new hair looks..different than dat pic from the salon
like..its not so..bright..
micky needs to have the same hair he had in the elle photoshoot
the one where it like..goes down his face..
not the random one dats like.combed back lol
THAT looked good..
koguma
Hehehehe.....thank for welcoming us the newbies. There are some links to download Xman at soompi. Some of the episodes have Yunho, micky, and xiah. But I can't download it somehow
Kimmy `xDDD
pcm:
lol thanks ! yeah, he's such a cute dork. `xD
butt... did youu see him. he got reall skinny !
`=( sm sucks butt !


jjjustine:
lol i'm lovin those pictures ! can't wait
to see the drama. `=)


FiNAY:
lol finally i get to talk to youu ! ahh i miss you lol i believe i didnt really
post yesterdaii. or did i ? lol `xD oh well butt.. i'm backk ! i can actually
post now without rushing. hehe so how's life ? TVXQ rocks lol that was
random. ehhh well, i'll post more pictures tommorow or something. pic
spamming is fun ! specially if it's tvxq pictures yah know ? hehe `& u r
deff. welcome with those jaejae pictures. he looks so adorable ! i want
to bite him haha. or just pinch his cute damn cheeks.. ah ! i'm a freak.
lol it's true.


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TVXQ iS BACK iN KOREA. `xD 8/21

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message: hope youu guys like the pictures !

creditz to cy+szewei @kpopkingdom `xD

lol yoochun's hair is poofy haha `x) i think jae really got skinny. look at him closely !
i cant really see changmin's face lol `xD butt. he's still cute. SM shud feed them more.
instead of eating only ramen noodles hehe [ that was random ] i know tvxq wouldn't
be so popular rite now if it wasnt for sm butt... why do they treat them so badly. dont
they see their hardwork. come on ! they're sweating blood. `=( [ expression ] can't
they see that ? karma comes around lol something bad is going to happen to lee so
man i just know it. hehe i'm being too mean myself.


GREEN PiNK

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JUST HOPE WiSH `& PRAY . <3
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JeLLieZ
fiNay: thanks..! haha that pic of junsu his mum and his bro...
wow..for a second i actually thought that was his dad!! why is his twin soo much taller!! LOL..are they supposed to be identical twins or what? their faces are kinda similar when u look closely..but only their features...nothing else looks similar!! lol

and u guys...
with those quizes to see which DBSK member ur the most compatible with or something..do u guys always get the same member?!

cos i've done 2 quizes and i got xiah junsu for both of them..even though personally i like jaejoong the most!
Shortyyy126
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You have Hero! Hero is the lead vocal of this band. He's a pretty boy but is always nice and helpful. He has a beautiful voice that would make your heart melt.

Take this quiz!

WOOO i got my man! wuahah. x]]

Mel awww looks like we're always gonna have to share. lol

and yes. HERO DID GET SKINNIER AFTER HIS LEG INJURY. he lost about 8kg (more or less) and weighed the least out of the members. he lost more than yunho. T_T and during that time he also had to get nutrients from a machine (or something like that) cause his weightloss wasn't normal at all. xP
JUSTINE }

Response to what i-know posted: It's really wow! It's shocking! I feel so sad. Well, I knew that they're being overworked and all, but then the news about previous artists and in-depth details on how our boys are being treated. This MUST stop. I wish we all can do something about it; it's gone way too far. I can't believe they would do such harsh punishments! They shouldn't even punish their artists for doing a SMALL mistake...we're humans and we tend to make mistakes occassionally.

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...I believe (I remember reading this) an average SM group like DBSK makes around 3 CENTS or something per album/single they sell. That split 5 ways is less than 1 cent per member. Yah - in the end, it may add up, but really, SM just sucks out the profit. It's a money making machine in the entertainment business. SOO MAN TAKES MOST OF THE PROFITS HIMSELF - HE IS LIKE...ONE OF THE RICHEST MEN IN KOREA.

Now that is JUST shocking! Three cents per album/single they've sold?! THAT IS JUST SO LITTLE! I have never heard of such a thing! They need to get more than just that. Why the heck does SM suck so much? They are ruthless! LSM needs to stop being so damn ridiculous.

I am just speechless on that whole thing about rotating! How can they even do that?! Why create a group when you're just going to break them apart in the end?

On that whole thing about JJ's line being all empty...how did that start out? I thought he was pretty much loved when they first debuted. What did he do to get such reactions from fans?

Okay...I'm starting to tear up on that bit of the H.O.T. fan's words about how she's comparing DBSK with H.O.T. and their members individually. It's just...wow. Gah, and I just have to be listening to "Begin (Less Vocal)" when reading this! *sniff, sniff* MY LOVE FOR THEM WILL NEVER STOP. I WILL SUPPORT THEM FOREVER AND EVER MORE!

I wish I can reply more...but, I just can't take anymore.

DBSK, FIGHTING! SARANGHAEYO!
Nina_Sakura
QUOTE(jjjustine @ Aug 26 2006 12 46 PM) [snapback]2852065[/snapback]

TVXQ ON TOP 100 BACHELOR LIST
Yeahhh! So neat.

Yunho at number 8
JaeJoong at number 16
Yoochun at number 21
Junsu at number 55
Changmin at number 76

You can find them at the picture below:
http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/2657/100mv8.jpg

Hahahahahaha! Not suprised to see Yunho in the top 10!
Hell, I'd choose him! xDDDDDD

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T___T I want Yunho....

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...我爱你...

Oh BTW, about the Hero's autograph signing line being empty, this is what actually happened....

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this is written not by a fan but a fan's FRIEND. there was a signing session in dae gu about one or two days ago? i forget. in any case some girl got dragged to the event by her friend and by chance/luck she got in. this is what she wrote...
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"i got just tagged along with my friends for this evening ;

i went with 7 other friends, only three of us got chosen to go in; so i went in, but this is for reals, outside were the fans that didnt get chosen, and seriously, they were all youngwoong jaejoong fans.

if you look at their placards, they are all jaejoong fans --;

anyways so i went in; i dont really like dbsk but i do like youngwoong jaejoong a little bit;

so i was going towards his line but someone ; was going towards yoochun's line but since jaejoong had no one in his line, the admins were pushing her towards jaejoong's line. then right in front of jaejoong she says "aw rainbow, i dont like youngwoong jaejoong" ; jaejoong seemed quite alarmed but he just laughed lightly..

all the other members looked in jaejoong's direction

i was so surprised i just stared at that fan. she really did say it extremely loudly. then there was this other fan, she must have been a junsu fan.

once again there was no one in the jaejoong line. the admin pushed the girl towards jaejoong's line and the fan turns around towards her friend and says "sunshine, i already got jaejoong's sign, this is annoying i need to get junsu's"

even though she said that jaejoong smiled brightly while the jaejoong fans sat outside crying...

then a bit later jaejoong slightly looks over to yoochun and forces an awkward smile...honestly, when i saw that i felt really bad

since there were no fans in his line he was just sitting there practicing dancing

then another admin told this other fan to go get a sign from jaejoong and the fan goes "no~"

at first he was laughing and smiling, but then more and more fans kept on saying things like that and so eventually jaejoong's head just went down and he wouldnt look up

and this one fan screams "im not going to go to youngwoong jaejoong~ ahh~ im not going~ let me go!!" jaejoong heard this and embarassed he somewhat hid his face in his hands..

then this one yoochun fan got put into changmin's line. and changmin asks "whats your name?" and she repleis with "you dont need my name" and his face just lost all color and he puts his head down.

seriously though, all the fans outside were jaejoong fans.

all the fans were crying, and begging to be let in; and they were all calling out his name

but since the glass was tinted i dont think he saw them or realized that so many of his fans came

i really think changmin and jaejoong got really hurt at this signing session, especially jaejoong...

yoochun junsu and yunho seriously had long lines that never ended, and changmin maybe 4, while jaejoong had none

im not really a fan but i felt extremely bad."


Poor JJ! And Changmin!
Fans can be so cruel... >.<

...你爱我...
FiNaY
koguma:
you're welcome dear!!! hehe happy.gif .....and thanks for posting the links!!! gonna get some DLed now....hehe.....btw, are these subbed already?? hardsubbed......like the subs already on them?? or are there links for the subs?? are there anyw subs at all for these?? haha blush.gif ......sorry for all the questions...... duh.gif ......but yea, just wanna know biggrin.gif ......thanks again btw!! smile.gif

Kimburly:
will PM you about my life......bwahaha tongue.gif .....but yay!! glad that the guys are back in Korea!! so that means that they'll start working on their 3rd album stuff yea?? blush.gif .....haha......man, i can't wait for that!! gosh, they're all trying different looks now eh?? well, i really love Junsu's and JJ's right now......Yoochun and Minnie could use a little trim.......hehe....maybe Yunho too happy.gif .......but they're still as cute as ever.......hehe......and yea, JJ's a tad skinny.....i worry for him wacko.gif .....hope that they're eating properly.....hehe......anyways, thanks for those!!! thumbsup.gif ......missed you too btw!!! hehe happy.gif hug.gif

JeLLieZ:
you're welcome too!!! hehe biggrin.gif .......but yea, i dunno why Junsu's bro is taller than him.....that's weird ehh?? haha......maybe they're faternal twins?? hehe......or maybe his twin got better nutrition thatn Junsu tongue.gif ........kidding!!! blush.gif ......they both have the same kinda features tho happy.gif ....and the quiz thing, i haven't taken it again.....hehe tongue.gif .......but i'll probably get Hero again laugh.gif ........but i wouldn't mind getting any of them!! innocent.gif

TVXQ Soul Max:
just press the submit button at the bottom of the page after selecting your answers.......then the results page should show up happy.gif

vicky:
aww boo!!! tongue.gif ....copy cat!! haha......i got him first you know laugh.gif

gahh, so JJ was like abnormally skinny and losing weight during that time?? poor babe......i could see that tho........cause they still him work and stuff wacko.gif.......aww, i just pictured him hooked up to machines when you said that....... wacko.gif

Jessica:
really?? that's what happened during that signing?? dang.......that freakin' sucks.......i mean, i know that some favor others in the group more but come on now.......that's just wrong to say that in front of them like that.....can't even imagine how they would feel after hearing that.......of course, they don't wanna show it to the "fans" there..... wacko.gif ......gahh, just dunno how to react to this.......man, if i was there and no one was at JJ's line, i'd hang out there all day!! haha........ tongue.gif ....ahh, thanks for sharing that tho.......some "fans" cluebat.gif

and yah, i took that 'hubby' quiz before......cause i got Yoochun last time........i remember that pic........bwahaha tongue.gif .....but got JJ this time.......ahh, but those things are just fun to do.......i wouldn't mind gettin any of them......haha biggrin.gif happy.gif
wasabi89


...我爱你...

Oh BTW, about the Hero's autograph signing line being empty, this is what actually happened....
Poor JJ! And Changmin!
Fans can be so cruel... >.<

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OMGGGGG that autograph signing thing!!! was it really these few days ago?? BUT ANYWAYS..
HOW CAN THE FANS BE SO CRUEL!!!! THEY'RE HUMAN AS WELL!! THEY HAVE FEELINGS!!!! down.gif poor joongie!!! i hope he later realise there were many fans outside that got stopped from going in =[
i hope changmin is alrite too!!! ><"
omgg cold blooded fans out there~ if they love TVXQ LOVE ALL OF THEM!! if they dont.. DONT BOTHER! dry.gif
artkyo
i feel so mad with lee so man irritated.gif . what kind of human is him. censored.gif emo3.gif emo6.gif violent-smiley-043.gif kakaka.gif violent-smiley-043.gif feel so sad for them. hav so many work to do..........
honeyhong
hey guys...
these are my collection of dbsk pics...
hope you guys like it..

http://honeyfelton.multiply.com

there are some interviews on them too...in my blog...

http://honeyhong.blogspot.com

feel free to drop a comment and do drop some msg in my tag board aight??

*lurv dbsk 4eva eva* hehe....
JeLLieZ
omG.. i feeel soo sorry for jaejoong!!>_<
*sniff 
how can fans be so rude?
thats so gay
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i'm angry now
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how dare they!
o_O
Nina_Sakura
...我爱你...

@Mel: I suppose so.
I know! That is just mean! Okay, so Hero isn't really one of my faves, but hey, I'd still go to his line and have a little chat with him!
Man, Hero must've been really hurt! I mean, he can still actually just smile if off? If it was me, I would've been totally embarrased after one comment (I know I know, I'm weak...)
And Max too! That YooChun fan didn't need to be so rude!
Haha, welcome!

I'm gonna do the quiz again!

@wasabi: Few days ago? lolz I doubt it. It's probably when they first came out or something...I mean, look at Hero now O.O
I know! So rude! >.<
I mean, I'd say hello to Hero and I'd tell Max my name! Sheesh!
Exactly!

...你爱我...
TVXQ Soul Max
>.<" woa.. they are so rude... how could they say such things? although JaeJoong is not my favourite but still it is once in a lifetime thing getting to meet them... I'll ask for everyone's sign and take photos with them... I am a ChangMin fan... If i din't get a chance to get ChangMin's sign but i'll still be thankful & greatfull that i the other 4 member's sign... Its so sad to see how people can be so rude & not understanding... JaeJoong is also a human who have feelings... How could they even say it out? T.T so darn dissapointed to them... Y wouldn't they let all the JaeJoong fans in? its so cruel to his fans who had waited to see & get his signature for hours... Its so UNFAIR!!!
wasabi89
@ nina_sakura: ohhh ok~ but still .... i'd defiantely tell my name to them O_O"" like...... c'mon man!!! its max and hero!!!! they're so hot and adorable!!! how could they be so mean to them~~~ ok.. i accept them liking 1 or 2 particular member out of the 5... but u still dont hafta totally ingore them or maybe say nasty things to them!!! =__= HAISH!! wat kinda cold hearted ppl Y__Y""
cyn2589
hello~
everyone i am new here.....
been browsing through all 98 pages of this thread... and decided to post...

can fans really be that rude and cruel?????
jae joong must be so hurt ><

ps. i was wondering if anyone has the translation for this clip >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LDG7JGkt6NA..
its an old clip though...
thanks in advance...
Hermione Goh
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SO I WAS LOOKING THROUGH THE IN: COMPLETE FORUM N FOUND THIS
IT MAINLY TALK ABOUT THE ABUSIVE SINGERS SUCH AS DBSK, H.O.T, SHINHWA HAVE TO ENDURE
I BELIEVE THAT MANY OF U WONT AGREE BUT I AGREE WITH A LOT OF THINGS THAT HAVE BEEN SAID HERE.
NOT LONG AGO,,, SEVERAL MONTHS I GUESS
THERE WAS A POLL HOLD BY A TELEVISION PROGRAM OR SOMETHING SIMILAR.. TO FIND OUT HOW MUCH MONEY KRN CALEB MAKE
TO OUR SURPRISE, NEARLY 70%OR 80% OF THE CALEB MAKE ONLY NEARLY 1MILLION WON=$1000 ON A PROJECT
N VERY LITTLE PERCENT EARN MORE THAN 5MILLION WON
N I KNOW THAT THE POLL IS TRUE
I DIDN'T HEAR IT SOMEWHERE
I ACTUALLY SAW AN ARTICLE OF NEWS ABOUT IT
NOT JUST SOMEONE TOLD ME OR SOMEONE ON SOME FORUM POST A TOPIC

AND REMEMBER TO ALWAYS BE DBSK FAN (IF U R). ONCE A FAN, ALWAYS A FAN. REMEMBER THAT. IF U GOING TO JUST FORGET THEM AFTER THEY R NOT THAT POPULAR ANYMORE, THEN DON LIKE THEM FROM THE START (JUST LIKE THIS STUFF IMMA SHOW U SAY)
.. IMAGINE U R A STAR AS BIG AS DBSK... RECEIVING A TREMENDOUS AMOUNT OF LOVE, ENCOURAGE WORDS FROM UR FANS.. AND ONLY TO FIND OUT LATER THAT IT WAS ALL LIE
THAT ALL UR PASSION, ALL YOUR WORK TO KEEP THOSE LIES ALIVE ARE WORTHLESS...
LIKING THEM NOW, FORGET THEM LATER ON WILL ONLY LEAVE DBSK'S WITH HURTFUL SCARS...

HERE GO THE ~

N I KNOW THIS IS LONG.. BUT IT REALLY WORTH READING...
I READ IT TWICE..

"Okay - here's how the whole story goes... Lee Soo Man is the head producer - he's basically in charge of everything that goes on in SM... (SM used to stand for Soo Man but it's something else now..I forget...Star something...) He's like..completely horrible!

I mean, personally, I have nothing against SM the label, it's more like..the people who run it.

There's a saying in Korea that states: "If you don't make it with SM then you can't make it anywhere." It's actually half true. The reason Shinhwa broke away from SM is that they couldn't stand not being able to participate in recording their album (like writing songs, being more active in the whole process, not being controlled), and the only reason why they're still doing fine is that their fan base is HUGE and the fans are VERY supportive of their split from SM. (I LOVE SHINHWA! *random* <3 ) Shinhwa was fed up with their songs being controlled, and fed up with being hit and bullied by SM managers. -__-;;

As for HOT not getting back together, it's really crappy. Moon HeeJun from HOT went solo, as you may know, and after his first album, they withdrew funding from him and decided to focus on the "hotter, newer stars" like DBSK and BoA. Basically, he was left on the back burner and left to fend for himself. He released his later albums from money in his own pocket and donations from loyal fans. Awww...

Basically, when you get old/get less popular in SM, they just leave you to rot. They'll discard you like an old sock.

SM controls your life - when you sign on, you're basically signing away your soul. When DBSK was first formed, Soo Man gave the order to put the boys on a water diet (they basically starved the boys to the extreme) to make their faces slimmer so that they look better in pictures. They often try to get artists to get plastic surgery in order to boost their appearances. No joke. SM goes for looks first, then talent. (They got lucky with DBSK - looks AND talent.)

Rumor has it (and I'm pretty sure it's been confirmed, at least, according to my sources...) that SM hits/beats their artists whenever they make a mistake, and often they are driven to sickness by exhaustion and fatigue. Remember when Micky/Yoochun was in the hospital with appendicitis? Yah..there you go...

The probably only exception to the abuse is BoA, SM's favored artist, of whom I've heard indirectly from her coordinators that she's really stuck-up and really bossy. Hence, I do not like her (I never did.) - sorry BoA fans! (By all means keep liking her if you do!)

When the whole scare that DBSK was going to be rotated came around (meaning winter-spring time this year), did you see the members cry at the perf.s and such? Well, I believe they were screamed at, then hit around, and they were banned from going to any press conferences. They were split up (put into different rooms and such) and they weren't allowed to discuss anything regarding it. I believe if they were going to rotate, they had announced that JaeJoong and Yoochun would be the first to leave because they "cause so much trouble".

If the fans did not stage the boycott of SM goods, I believe they really would have rotated DBSK. Plus the fact that Changmin is still a minor and their parents can still sue SM under their contract.

So...if SM is so horrible..why would you sign on under it?

Because, it gives you FAME. SM is RUTHLESS when it comes to making it to the top, and you are almost guaranteed some sort of fame. Secondly, THEY PAY FOR YOUR COLLEGE. They give you all these opportunities that are probably pretty good.

...I believe (I remember reading this) an average SM group like DBSK makes around 3 CENTS or something per album/single they sell. That split 5 ways is less than 1 cent per member. Yah - in the end, it may add up, but really, SM just sucks out the profit. It's a money making machine in the entertainment business. SOO MAN TAKES MOST OF THE PROFITS HIMSELF - HE IS LIKE...ONE OF THE RICHEST MEN IN KOREA.

Basically...Lee Soo Man is running this company that controls everything that goes on in their artists' lives. Although he's NOT THE PRESIDENT, he has the MOST POWER. Don't ask me how that works...I'm not sure... -__-;;; Even the president resigned this year due to everything that's been going on. Basically...I CAN'T STAND LEE SOO MAN. He deserves...really bad things to happen to him. -__-;;;
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1. what do you mean by being rotated?? do you mean breaking them up??
What happened was...if you look at other SM groups, there usually is one or two lead singer(s) and the rest are rappers (those who can't sing as well but look pretty) or back-up singers. When DBSK was formed, they put 5 would-be "lead singers" (like - if they were all in different groups, they would all be the lead singers) together, and of course, it was very successful. HOWEVER - here's where the rotation part comes in. When SM was really gunning for their girl group SES (remember them? with Shoo, Eugene, and Bada), SM took them to Japan and China to gain more ground in the Asian music industry. But what happened was that when they left Korea, a new girl group was debuted under another company...you probably have heard of them too...FINKL (with Hyori, etc.) After the whole fiasco of FinkL becoming very popular in Korea and sharing SES's level of success (SES fans shifted to FinkL for the time being when they went to Japan and China), SM vowed to never have that happen again - to always have their artists be ..1 in Korea. So what did they do? They had this crazy idea to make DBSK a rotating group. That means when DBSK goes to Japan/China/other places, one or two members will be taken out to work with other groups/on solo projects in Korea, as to maintain DBSK popularity in Korea and eliminate rival groups. The original 5 would basically not perform with each other anymore - there would be like 3 or so originals, and 2 or so rotated members. The original members would all be rotated in and out in between solo projects and other group projects. Crazy - yes I know - but true. SM is one monopoly on the Korean music market.

2. what do they mean about Hiro and Micky causing trouble?? are they rebellious towards the company?? and if so, who wouldn't be...
Jaejoong/Hero/Hiro: They have fan meetings/signings yah? Well, apparently there were instances where there were LONG lines to meet DBSK. There were instances where there are 5 separate lines - one for each member. Well, one time, there was NO ONE in JAEJOONG'S LINE (T_T awww...I so would have gone in that line if I saw that!) and the managers who were coordinating the event were like..to fans in the other lines.. "do you want to get into this line?" and they would be like...NO! (GOSH! THEY'RE SO MEAN/RUDE! T_T) And it made Jaejoong really sad. The other members encouraged fans to get into JaeJoong's line, but apparently it didn't work. SM was beginning to believe Jaejoong was getting less popular, so they wanted him to work on other projects first - as a result.

Yoochun/Micky: ...I don't know if you noticed this, but around the time they were announcing the rotation, he began to cry/breaking down during performances (which, I heard, he got hit for T_T) and in SM's words... "causing trouble". Therefore, they wanted to remove him from DBSK first also.

Yes - I agree - I would be rebellious too..except..you get punished for doing so...like..being starved and getting beaten. -___-;;

3. by the way how did Shinhwa manage to get out of SM??
What happened was...Shinhwa decided to switch entertainment companies because they had enough with SM's controlling behavior (this was like..unheard of! Sm doesn't allow their artists to switch companies freely, especially if they are as popular as Shinhwa... Shinhwa = money in SM's eyes). They decided to move to Good! Entertainment, a brand new company with better management. SM couldn't FORCE them to stay, because Shinhwa's contracts had expired anyways (SM was seeking to renew, Shinhwa was seeking to move companies ASAP!). So, what did SM do? They sued Shinhwa for a bunch of stuff, and they claimed that if Shinhwa was to move companies, they can't use the name SHINHWA because of copyright issues. Therefore, there was a battle so to speak in court, and Shinhwa ended up winning. They retained their trademark name and moved to Good! Entertainment. Most artists who move struggle because SM makes it their duty to make sure they are crushed by SM artists. But knowing Shinhwa, they already had a HUGE fan base that was more than supportive of the move. They staged a movement where when their 7th album came out this past year, NO ONE was to post downloads in order to encourage people to buy it, and many fans bought more than one copy of it. =)

Side note: I'd say SM's biggest "rival" company is YG Entertainment - which manages artists such as Se7en, 1TYM, Taebin, etc. I don't know - just my opinion. Hence, the whole...Se7en's in Japan! DBSK must be in Japan too! thing...
THEN It was kimtaitai's message on Abaka that really got me she wrote:
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Hi~ I'm a current member of club H.O.T,
and am a fan of the now broken up group, H.O.T. ^^

These days the group DBSK have been performing a lot
and have caught my attention.
Not only that, I heard that one of the DBSK members was a
very big male fan of H.O.T., and that's how I first started to
learn more about DBSK

As I watch the way they act and their performance,
I couldn't help but to think that they are very similar
to H.O.T when they first started

H.O.T is seriously the god's to our generation,
so for people that were born around 82, 83, etc.
No one probably understand what they meant to us...

After Seotaiji and boys broke up, H.O.T. saved the
kpop music scene that was completely dying out.

All the teenagers were pulled into H.O.T.,
and within a year of their debut they received the top music award.
Out of all the major awards that H.O.T received, there must be awards
from at least 10 different music/television companies

When I see DBSK right now, the past H.O.T. fills my mind.
I was a freshman in high school when H.O.T. first debuted.
Now I am 22, and even today, when I go to performances or
concerts, I am looked as a young girl ^^

I heard that the majority of DBSK fans are junior high students,
and although many people say that they are young fans,
we were exactly like that too.

Whenever people saw us they called us H.O.T fanatics.
But then what about now? Even after 8-9 years
we are still here watching over them.

We hope that all the DBSK fans follow in our footsteps ^^

Liking H.O.T. for about 9 years,
I would like to give a little heads up and warnings about the company SM

I am someone that had a voice within the H.O.T fan club.

So I know a little more about the company SM, than most fans or normal people

At this moment, many H.O.T. fans have ventured out ^^
There are some that have become stars, others that became famous peoples' coordis,
and even some that have been hired into SM

Through these people we have learned that,
what we believed to be unfair treatment by SM, in reality, was very much true

SM claimed that the 2nd H.O.T. was blackbeat, but after their failure
they tried once again, and that group is DBSK

Silently leading the group with wit and talent, YoungWoong JaeJoong.
He is like MoonHeeJun.

Leader in dance, with the aura of a tough guy, but sometimes very cute, UKnowYunHo.
He is like JangWooHyuk.

Lived in the states, and able to speak English, very charismatic and outgoing, MickyYooChun.
He is like Tony.

With looks that can be looked as almost famine, and the image where you want to take care of him, ChoiKangChangMin.
He is like Kangta.

Looks that can be looked as average, but the type of person that the more you see the more you like, XiahJunSu.
He is like LeeJaeWon.

Two group that really have a lot in common, DBSK and H.O.T.
Maybe that's why, but we H.O.T. fans are genuinely scared that
the DBSK fans will have to face the hurt and disappointing ordeals we had to go through.
Especially because all of you are so young.

Cassiopeia fans...

SM is honestly a dangerous place.
As you like DBSK more I am sure that your hatred for SM will only grow

The first time H.O.T. began to get battered by LeeSooMan was during the beginning of their 3rd album
I'm not sure if you heard their 2nd album song, "Heng Bok"
That is the song H.O.T. received the DaeSang award,
and the album after that for every little mistake, they were hurt.

At that time, I believed that no matter what, it was merely just rumors
Slowly, everything I believed were rumors, were slowly turning into realities

By any chance do you know of Andy of ShinHwa's incident?
For awhile he was on stage wearing a mask wasn't he?
SM said some unbelievable stuff saying that he ran into something
or that JunJin fell while taking a shower.

Everyone continuously told us different things.
The important factor is that they ran into something or fell,
but why was only his mouth hurt? How come there were no signs of anything near their forehead or nose or any other facial part?

A few days before, Andy went into the SM building, and when he came out
he was wearing a mask, which many fans noticed.
Honestly, at that time I didn't believe it.

After JTL left SM, even after they released their album,
they weren't able to properly perform for a good 2 years.

Their schedules continuously got mysteriously cancelled,
and on cable t.v. their music video was not even showed ONCE.

That wasn't the famous SM-JTL boycott.
Boycott...

SM went to every television company and threatened that
in the case they brought JTL onto their broadcasting list, SM would pull out all their singers from that company

Many fans called JTL's company "YeJun Media" and asked what was happening,
but even from there they did not know.

This is a famous event,
It was when MoonHeeJun's 2nd album was supposed to come out

Fans were sleeping in front of HeeJun's house,
when HeeJun's mother came out and began to cry like no tomorrow.

She was begging to the fans to save HeeJun...
"Please save my HeeJun..."

HeeJun's first album sold 600,000 copies.
But SM said, "Merely 600,000?!"

They said they didn't want to invest in his 2nd album.
So for HeeJun's 2nd album, his music video, and jacket pictures...
he poured out his own money and savings.

Everyone.
Buy their album. That is helping DBSk.

Whenever H.O.T albums came out, we fans bought AT LEAST 2 copies.
That's the only reason whenever a new album came out they were able to surpass 1 million album sales.

And for that fact only...
that's the only reason the members were able to collect a little bit of money.

H.O.T. boys...
for every album they received approximately 2 cents.

After Boa released her first album,
she received 50 cents per album.

For five people if it's 2 cent, that means its not even a quarter cent per person.

Then you might ask...

"What about the commercials and photo albums, and all the other side things H.O.T did?"

To keep it simple,
the only money H.O.T members make is through album sales.

Any commercials, and any shows, anything,
all that money goes to SM.
So its basically an unjust contract, a slave contract.

We heard that the contract between DBSK and SM is immense,
but that's not always a good thing.

When one leaves SM you must pay a fee that is much higher than the contract,
and basically its to stop singers from leaving
Not only that they will take out a percentage of one's profits if one leaves.

Do you think the term "slave contract" came out of nowhere??
DBSK right now...they are probably having a really hard time.

Do you all know this?
The president of SM isn't LeeSooMan but, KimKyungWook.

To put it in lament terms...

Although on paper KimKyungWook is the president,
the person that makes all the decisions is LeeSooMan.

The reason,

SM has done a lot of illegal things.
And if those acts are caught, someone needs to be blamed.

So LeeSooMan screws up,
and KimKyungWook takes the blame.

If you look at it KimKyungWoo is a slave too. An SM slave.

H.O.T.'s old manager is currently working for a very famous company.

That person once said that H.O.T. are kids he truly feels sorry for,
and so they were kids that he wanted to save.

That person tried to take H.O.T. out of SM, but got caught by LeeSooMan
and was immediately fired. Right now he is working at SIDUS and is producing the group G.O.D.

That is the reason LeeSooMan hates G.O.D. so much.
So much to the point that any radio show SM singers host,
he makes it clear he doesn't want to hear them putting on G.O.D. songs.

Even though slave contract, unjust contracts are against the law,
LeeSooMan is living quite fine.

He is truly a rich man. Someone with so much money it is unbelievable.
Although he waste a lot of money, he always has more.

We raised SM
and then we were stepped on by SM and died.

All the money that came in from H.O.T was invested into BoA
and all the money they invested in BoA is being currently relearned.

But now H.O.T members have encountered so many scars,
and they are slowly being forgotten by people.

Along with Club H.O.T who set records as a fan club.

We all are being forgotten by people.

All of you will get older with DBSK.
We were the same.

We used to say that "we're aging together,"
and these days those words sound so sad

As time goes feelings will be stronger,
and we sincerely hope that DBSK doesn't endure the same scars from SM, as H.O.T. had.
Don't take the same hurt as we did.

Within DBSK, create an awesome fan culture.

With every childless statement, the fan image is slowly ruined.

Become fans that think about what you say,
when announcing you are their fans.

Don't ever be faltered by any rumors, and always trust the member.
Singers will never betray their fans.

Please don't do things that they don't like.
You shouldn't ever make your favorite singer feel disappointed n you.

If you are going to believe this and that, or just move on to someone else,
then don't like them from the start.
It will only be scars upon that singer/group.

As you grow older, even if you find a boyfriend
don't ever forget that you are DBSK fans.

At first it may just be a fantasy for you
but as time passes and as you grow older
you will realize that they mean a lot more to you than you know

In your heart, you will never forget your younger days
when you were their fans...

please make sure it is only memories that you will not regret... "

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OMG!!!... Actually i noe tis from my fren very ealier but still dunno wherther is real or not... But I really sad if they really do like tis 2 the artiste n DBSK.... Y??!! DBSK muz suffer like tis??!!.. My heart broken d.... Wat can fans do 2 help them??..
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