I actually feel bad for the China girl, I don't think she chose to be a prostitute. Her life was pretty sad too and she really likes Yu Hao too. At least she did something for him at the end.

Ehh, I really hate the China girl. From my view, she should've done something for Yu Hao I mean she kinda caused his death didn't she? The first time I saw the China girl's face I was annoyed -________-;;

dude... i have to agree with you chelly.. yeah yeah.. she avenged yu hao but that doesnt redeem her... not in my opinion.... and so i still dislike the china girl gosh...

lol maybe i shouldnt be annoyed by her because she is so "sad"... still a whore to me.. no no.. not prostitute.. ofcourse we know she was shipped.. i mean letting a man take advantage of her when he's in no condition to make a proper decision.. i know she wanted it... that little.... grrr... ANYWAYS... lol i dont know if i should be glad you think her face is annoying or not chelly... dont like her much either... as you can see...

^^

I agree with you. She could've ran out of the house when Yu Hao was drunk but noo she wanted him
I got my sister to hate her too (x< Something about her face, just makes me really RAWR when I see her. The first time I saw her I felt like annoyed even when I didn't know what was really her part. What also pissed me off was how Ady & Dylan were like in a cafe?(I think it was a cafe) She comes in & saids she's pregnant with his baby. She just has to pick the time when Dylan & Ady were clearing their stuff and being back as the sweet couple xD.

she's a party wrecker.. i guess a proper party wouldnt be without the party wrecker... she's the important part... she functions as an obstacle for our very lovely couple to prove their eternal love yeh ya... we can truly see how strong they're love for eachother is...thank you china girl.. but i still want you out of the picture from the start lol... i'm sorry i'm so mean... love contradiction myself too.. thats why i never win an argument... no wonder... o.o

sweetrain.. you're avie makes me relive that moment in outsiders 2 over and over and over again.. cant stand ady being in so much pain.. gives me pain.. *sniff sniff*

I guess I kinda gotta agree with you. Ady was so nice when she let Yu Hao say goodbye to the China girl. Then he died -__________-;; I hold the China girl responsible for Yu Hao's death D= It could've been a happy ending but noo =X

eh.. i'm still a sucker for tragic endings.. even though they both deserve a happy ending... hoping they get in another series! makes this series that much intense....

hold her to account? you do that chelly... you do that... lol

I sure will. Gosh, why did Ady have to be soo nice? xD I wished they made an alt. ending (x Then how happy would I be.

how about you make an alternative ending for outsiders lol it would be interesting you know ady... she's like that... very nice indeed... one reason why she's so lovable ^^

How am I suppose to make an alternative ending? I could write one xD Ady may look tough as a Big Sister, but she is soo kind deep down T.T If only she didn't let Yu Hao go D=

write a short summary of your ending

i know!!! yan zi too sweet.. she never left that sweet girl to become the sister figure... she is still our little yan zi inside

ahh... it was inevitable.. we knew something like this would happen... its all part of the story... =/

A short summary O.O I'll probably start writing one, MAYBE if I can think of something. I really suck at writing so I don't know if I can write one xD

i believe in you chelly.. you are a wonder at making posters, you can manage a little summary ^^ whoo hoo! cant wait to hear your alt. ending for the outsiders! *whispers to chelly* yu hao and yan zi better have a good ending.. if not, i'll have to hunt you down...

Awww.. I have to return the outsiders tomorrow i'm so sad.. i better go and rewind all the good parts and watch it again so i wont forget it...

i'm sure you can do anything you want if you put your mind to it chelly.. even if its bad... i'll be there to read it ^^ and appreciate it

Just rent it again ^^ I can't think of any ideas really. I'll probably have one by tomorrow. I think I'm gonna brainstorm when I'm really bored in class tomorrow.

bwahaha.. not paying attention in class now? ... eh... dont feel like paying another 30 bux for 100 episodes... maybe later on.. *sighs* i'm broke... so.. outsiders will have to wait for me lol

I actually don't dislike or hate that China girl at all. At first, people were telling
me how the China girl is so evil and whatever, but then when I finished watching the first
part of Dou Yu, I thought the China girl was just another girl who was too much in love.
I don't understand why people hate her so much. The China girl did try to get Yu Hao for
herself rather than letting him be with XYZ, but it was only for awhile until she backed
off and decided to give up and go back to her homeland. It's just that the bad guys killed
off Yu Hao first before she could go back. The China girl is not a whore, she was just
willing to do anything to be with the one she loved. And yes I do believe that she really
did love Yu Hao, which is why she stayed behind even after Yu Hao died and got revenge for
him. Usually when a particular person is in love, they do a lot of things to be with the one
they love even when they know it's only one-sided love. The China girl knew that Yu Hao
would never accept her love so that's why she took advantage of the opportunity to sleep
with Yu Hao and then claim that she was pregnant. She was in love and really wanted him
to love her back, even though she knew it was wrong to lie like that. I know
it would have been better if she would have ran out of the house but like I said, she was
a girl in love. At least she never tried to kill XYZ or threaten XYZ to leave Yu Hao. So
she's pretty decent.

Plus, I believe she's not the one responsible for Yu Hao's death. It's not her fault he died
and she didn't even know about what was going to happen.
I love all your avatars and signatures!!!! Too bad I lost all my skills with working with Photoshop. I just don't feel like going back and learning how to work with Photoshop anymore. It takes up too much time.

lost skills? aww..

alright... lets break it down...


ok... good.. atleast someone doesn't dislike the china girl.. good.. now its kinda more balanced... some people choose to believe so because her love intervened. I'm sorry china girl.. i dont have sympathy for you... *shrugs* the part where she is too much in love? so.. love can drive her off a cliff to death? i think she has more common sense then that.. i sometimes wonder.. what if she just died... then there would be no reason for him to go and see her off.. there would be no reason for yan zi and yu hao's separation (meaning there would have been more yan zi yu hao time) if she just died... some of the death could have been avoided... (poor redbean)... if she just died.. i wouldnt be annoyed... knowing that there are those who are so stupid enough to think they can have a part of a man by claiming pregnancy.... ok.. i should move on.. lol


Okay, how about i explain.. she gets in the way.. thats what most of us dislike her for... well.. chelly hates her but most of us dislike her intervention... trying to be all yanzi-like... pfft... give me a break... ok.. sure she backed off but we all knew she wanted him for herself... even when she knows yu hao is taken.. she still has that evil spark in her.. the womanly instincts that makes her unworthy... not like yan zi.. *hugs* why couldnt she think that earlier.. oh yeah.. right.. she was too much in love... makes me laugh ever time i think about it...


yeah.. that ADVANTAGE part kinda made my point... i do believe whores like taking advantage of men... *blinks* oh yeah.. she loved him.. very much.. enough to LET him violate her when he is under no condition to see things clearly.. and she knows it that guilty little... *calms down* Lie about pregnancy.. hmm.. i dont know about you but to me.. tahts kinda a big deal.. 0.o thats like an act of war... WAR!!!! and it not even true... geeus... learn to let go.. thats part of love... even at the end she doesnt really let go.. ugh... yan zi is different she doesnt let go because they promised eachother they will not.. both of them love eachother.. if yu hao had any love for china girl.. then perhaps i would consider pitying her but no.. she threw herself at him... *shakes head* ok.. i think thats enough for that part...


no one ever said anything about running out of the house... maybe something about being dead.. but not running lol ok.. we got that clear.. she is a girl much in love... Um... you think that fake pregnancy is not a threat? as i said earlier.. sounds to me like an act of WAR!!!! hehehe.. love saying that.. *ahem* anyways... to me she is below decent.. maybe not the bottom of the bottom.. but not good enough for me to be decent.. thats just what i think.. you can think want ever you like!

the part where she becomes ah bao's whore, i just knew she had it in her... being that type of girl to get revenge... dude.. look at yan zi.. she's madly inlove with yu hao and does she change her personality in a split second to take revenge? even when she might have wanted to keep that secret.. she chose not to resolve to violence... not now not ever and dont you even try saying she doesnt love him enough to do so... because we have a list of her sacrifices ^^ hehehe

i quite enjoyed that.. its like deconstruction all over again thanks for your opinions.. i liked them i just dont like china girl

ahahahah yay someone answered why the China girl sucks lol xD

the thing is i dont hate her, but after hearing about her, and i guess after you see her, shes a threat to the great couple. that means trouble lol.

And yeah i agree!!! Yan Zi does more than her fair share of sacrifices...i mean i watched the part where yu hoa actuelly slaps her! (if i remember i could be wrong), now any girl would probably leave him, but does she NO she would rather even kill herself than not be good enough for him =(

that China girl does not even compare, but it was good she was put into it (even though the damn death thing grrr!!) so we can see that yu hoa loves yan zi more than anything, lets just say the china girl represents temptation.

and i would love to do the ending over again! just damn i have not seen the proper last episodes, if i knew the conversation they had i could do it >_>

anyway as i was saying, i think Yan Zi let him go and was nice simply because she loves him that much, she want him to do what he feels is right. aww so cute *cuddles*. Its the fact that the china girl just trys to break up a happy couple, i think because shes Jelouss!!!!, not because she LOVESSS him sooo much. If she did then fine GO out and go through all yan zi went through for him!!! no see she could not even do that, all shes good at is getting revenge, and i'll bet she got ah boa's money to!

To lie about being pregnant is one thing......and you cant blame her fully since LOADS of girls do this, desperate times cause for desperate measures. BUT i wont defend her because she went while they were bloody sorting out their issues and being all loving, and said it so Yan zi would know! i wish then yan zi was her OS2 self!! so she could kick her butt right there xD

since she could of bloody done all this in private with yu Hao, not go and always make poor XYZ feel bad, and trying to push her out the way, i mean hello you dont take someone else's guy when hes damn taken. Or at least not if hes commited like that........i wish yu hoa would of sent her away =(

ahah and i love this to! its explaing their loveee lol, i actuelly thank the china girl for this xD

yep.. she is an important part of explaining the great love of yan zi and yu hao.. but that doesnt stop me from criticizing her

yep yep, i think i explained my points pretty well^^


But yeah its unfair!!! in the series they seem like an unbeatable couple =(, you would sooo think its real and that they are together, they manage to potray it so well!, and does XYZ change alot more in Outsiedrs 2? like i know she already changed in no.1 since she turned stronger, but she looks more so in outsiders 2? so did she?


No one must come between Dylan and Ady!! well.......except Amy....but that can be fixed *gets shoval and weapon* only joking xD

lol... digging a grave are we?

outsiders 2 happens in the middle of outsiders 1 so its like her process of becoming strong like at the end of outsiders 1 yep.. but i think she pretty strong in O2 *nodds* love her character!

I totally respect your opinions. There are some people that others see the good in and then
there are others that people see the worst in. I don't think that whatever I say is going to
change anything since a lot of you seem to have a lot of anger/hate towards the china girl.
And don't tell me that you're not mad or angry at the china girl when you want death upon
her. Oh and I hope no one misunderstands me about liking the china girl so much because I
really don't like her; I just think she's not as bad as people think she was. XYZ is still
number one and she'll always be the best. Now about that china girl again, yes it made a lot
of people angry when she lied that she was pregnant but there's no reason to hate or dislike
her for that. Yu hao could have just get her to take a few pregnancy tests. I don't care if
people have sympathy for her or not; I don't have any sympathy for her either but I just
understand her. That's what I was getting at and trying to explain. Yeah, you all keep
saying that she gets in the way and I know that's true but in love relationships, there's
bound to have other people trying to ruin your relationship which can only strengthen your
relationship if you two really love each other. So like I said again, I don't hate her or
dislike her, it was actually good that she was there to show how strong yu hao's and XYZ's
relationship was too. People can always change, I'm pretty sure that towards the end, she
really did become a better person and who was more understanding. I think she didn't know
how to handle being in love so she chose to do all the wrong things instead. I don't feel
like lying about her being pregnant that she was trying to threaten XYZ.

Like I said, I believe that the china girl was using the wrong methods of trying to show her love.

I don't really like what you said here:
" trying to be all yanzi-like... pfft... give me a break... ok.. sure she backed off but we all
knew she wanted him for herself... even when she knows yu hao is taken.. she still has that evil spark in her
.. the womanly instincts that makes her unworthy... not like yan zi.. "

Ok here's my response to that: Yeah, she did back off even when she still really wanted Yu hao.
But isn't that true with real-life people too? Because when you love someone, don't you also
back off still having that tingle inside
your heart of wanting to be with the one you love. Even when you tell yourself that you have
to back off and then you do, I'm pretty sure that inside your heart,there's still a little
part of you that wants to be with him still. And that is normal, so it's not like she
had these "evil sparks" in her. It's normal to have those feelings. Plus, why are you thinking that the china
girl was trying to be like XYZ?? There are a lot of girls who are like XYZ, SO if a girl has the personality
like XYZ then does that mean that all those girls are trying to be like XYZ too???? Uh I don't think so at all.
Like I said, she threw herself at him because she was
willing to do anything for him, even though it looked like she was being a "whore".
By the way, about that running out of the house thing, I did recall reading someone
responding that she should have ran out of the house. I would go back and quote it for you
but I don't have much time left on the computer now. Besides, I'm pretty sure that you can go
back a few pages and check yourself if you don't believe me. So still, she's not a bad person to me.
I don't really like her but I don't dislike her either. I just understand her.

I hope I don't have to repeat anything and that I've made myself clear here.

Another thing that I want to explain about is you calling the china girl a "whore". I believe that the china girl
is not a whore at all. Now, if the china girl didn't love Yu hao at all and had no feelings whatsoever for him
and just wanted to sleep with him because he was hot or handsome then yeah, she is definitely a whore.
But I already stated before that I do believe she really did love Yu hao; the china girl may have been a
little jealous of XYZ but I'm pretty sure that she loved Yu hao more than she was jealous. Now back on topic
here. Since she loved him, and wanted to be with him in his "weak" state even for just one night, she's not
a whore. Let me explain this better so you'll understand. Here's another example of what I'm trying to
say: Alice likes to dress slutty. But even though Alice dresses slutty, she's a very good student in school and
she doesn't like to flirt with guys at all. Alice always cooks for her parents every night and is very polite.
Alice respects her elders and doesn't drink or do drugs. This is just an example like the china girl situation.
Now a lot of people think that Alice is a slut because she dresses slutty but she's not a slut. Get it? There is a
difference between being a slut and dressing slutty. The same goes for being a whore and doing something
that a whore would do. A slut would be someone who does dirty things that other people would call immoral
or degrading. So Alice is not a slut. I'm pretty sure you understand that.
So, for the china girl. Even though she did do something a whore would most likely do, she's not a whore.
You can't just give a girl the title of being a whore when all she did was fall in love and wanted to be with
the man she loved even if she did sleep with Yu hao. Now that's all cleared up between us I hope.

oh goodie.. a nice lengthy and valid argument

first of all.. i would like to say a few words... love your presences in this thread.. theres something worth talking about

ok... someone is to blame in the series... (here it comes) we, as human beings, have the need to put blame on others or oneself.... so... why not blame it on the china girl? why not... lol if she is the third party... why not? *shrugs* question left unanswered.. maybe its one of those indefinite questions... btw a town always needs a scrapgoat...

"I totally respect your opinions."

thank you.. and i respect yours... or else.. we would have been kicked off of this forum... hehehe

"There are some people that others see the good in and then
there are others that people see the worst in."

true... and we cant tell whether one is right or wrong...

"I don't think that whatever I say is going to
change anything since a lot of you seem to have a lot of anger/hate towards the china girl."

no... most of us stand up for what we believe.. lol we're like martyrs... j/k j/k... maybe its only me... anyways anger/hate outburst would sound something like this:

sample anger/hate outburst: I THINK THAT CHINA GIRL SHOULD JUST GO DIE BECAUSE SHE'S A DISGRACE. WHAT KIND OF DECENT PERSON GOES AND BREAKS A HEAVEN MADE RELATIONSHIP THROUGH A FREAKIN LAME LIE. WHY, I THINK SHE SHOULD TORTURE HERSELF BEFORE SHE DIES. THATS WHAT SHE MADE YAN ZI GO THROUGH THAT B*****!

havent seen anger/hate.... maybe chelly comes close but no.. we just say we dislike her.. we'd rather see her as the bad guy... nothing wrong with that

"And don't tell me that you're not mad or angry at the china girl when you want death upon
her."

No no... i can tell you I dont "hate" her.. read my post again carefully and slowly all the parts that has death in it.. there is not me wishing for death... i did wonder how the series would be if she died... did i want her dead? no... i said many deaths would have been prevented... if she died early.. did i say i wished she died? *thinks about it* no... i did say i wouldnt be annoyed because sweet redbean had to die... did i want to put her in her graves? no.. i was actually laughing that that comment also the part where i talked about jumpin off the cliff.. did i want her to do that? no.. i said that she knows better not to... anything else i missed? 0.o?

on wards...

"Oh and I hope no one misunderstands me about liking the china girl so much because I
really don't like her; I just think she's not as bad as people think she was. XYZ is still
number one and she'll always be the best."

dude! thanks for clearing up the misunderstanding.. ahh.. after that nice defense on china girl.. i though you were her fan instead of yan zi. i'm glad we agreed on the greatness of her character ^^

"Now about that china girl again, yes it made a lot
of people angry when she lied that she was pregnant but there's no reason to hate or dislike
her for that. Yu hao could have just get her to take a few pregnancy tests. I don't care if
people have sympathy for her or not; I don't have any sympathy for her either but I just
understand her. That's what I was getting at and trying to explain."

i think when you understand... you sympathize.. you understand meaning you can see what she sees.. you have felt what she felt.. you know what she is thinking.. what she is doing... and so you pity... no... i mean sympathize... thats all fine and dandy.. we need more "understanding" people.. hehhee i just dont understand her.. maybe thats the problem.. maybe i'm not her.. and therefore i think differently. you think that when something breaks like that (the preg lie) that things can easily mend? We can just go on with our lives after the preg. test? that is in a dream world where everyone is "understanding" Yanzi may be an angel of a character but she's human.. and she has feelings.. china girl is human too but she's not the victim.. more like the predator when it comes to love... reminds me of the poem i read about how dangerous and nasty liars they can be... wow.. now i have an even worse image of her... thats not good...

"trying to ruin your relationship which can only strengthen your
relationship if you two really love each other. So like I said again, I don't hate her or
dislike her, it was actually good that she was there to show how strong yu hao's and XYZ's
relationship was too."

thats why i said earlier in a single post:

"tipsypixel Posted Today, 01:12 PM
yep.. she is an important part of explaining the great love of yan zi and yu hao.. but that doesnt stop me from criticizing her"

"People can always change, I'm pretty sure that towards the end, she
really did become a better person and who was more understanding."

not to mention one of the lover is dead.

"I think she didn't know
how to handle being in love so she chose to do all the wrong things instead. I don't feel
like lying about her being pregnant that she was trying to threaten XYZ."

i saw it in that manner.. eh.. what can you say. we have totally different opinions ^^ ok.. about the being naiive part.. now THAT is a valid argument. I'll buy into that... but nothing else.. lol

"Like I said, I believe that the china girl was using the wrong methods of trying to show her love."

yeah.. you got that point through. but you know.. the wrong is still the wrong.. nothing can change that.. not even if she was naiive.. not even if she "redeemed" herself... all this talk of right and wrong brings me flashbacks of TOK ^^ fun times

"Yeah, she did back off even when she still really wanted Yu hao.
But isn't that true with real-life people too? Because when you love someone, don't you also
back off still having that tingle inside
your heart of wanting to be with the one you love. Even when you tell yourself that you have
to back off and then you do, I'm pretty sure that inside your heart,there's still a little
part of you that wants to be with him still."

is this... a comeback i see?... no... if you say its a tingle inside meaning a small left behind feeling.. explain to me this.. why on earth did she want to meet yu hao for the last time soooo many times? thats more then a tingle.. its like a battle man... okay.. if only i didnt return the outsiders i rented i would count how many times she wanted to damn meet him for the last time.. and the "real" last time caused his death.. coincidence? yeah yeah... she just cant get enough of him after backing off and only having a "tingle inside." If i was china girl.. after i knew how much i've caused.. i would back off and try to stick to my words. Be a strong woman and dont sway around like the reeds... she just calls and calls and calls... "i want to meet you again for the last time." so bothersome. *yawns* you could have said she couldnt get over him period and she couldnt back off like she said she would period. that would have been good.

"here are a lot of girls who are like XYZ, SO if a girl has the personality
like XYZ then does that mean that all those girls are trying to be like XYZ too????"

i'm not just relying on they're looks or what the bad guys say about them two dear... there are many many things that make me say that.. first of all i remembered clearly she wanted to play the piano just like yan zi.. she went into the same place yan zi use to take lessons.. she found yan zi's old music scores that yu hao still had in the house and she tried to play it like on the table.. she was talking to her self too... "wow.. yan zi must be very good at playing the piano.. all these notes look difficult" then yu hao walks in and ask if she knew how to play the piano.. and she said she just found the music score lying around and tried it.. at the end when she faced ah bao, she said she wanted to be like yan zi.. a big sister figure... also, she keeps obsessing over yan zi wanting to know what she looked like and everything... kinda like wanting to know what yu hao likes her.. why would she want to know that? duh.. to be like that so she can make yu hao love her.. simple as that...what else.. i'm sure theres more instances but.. i'll just leave it at that..

other girls like yan zi is not yan zi.. i guess i didnt clarify it enough... no one can be like yan zi.. they can try but

"Like I said, she threw herself at him because she was
willing to do anything for him, even though it looked like she was being a "whore"."

she's a whore.. hehehe its the thing.. you say she's decent but doing anything even whoring.. isnt that like bad? I can believe there is still honor in sacrificing such as in death but having sex? ehh.. no...

"By the way, about that running out of the house thing, I did recall reading someone
responding that she should have ran out of the house. I would go back and quote it for you
but I don't have much time left on the computer now. So still, she's not a bad person to me."

no need to quote, i'll just take your word for it

okay.. so you think she's a not a bad person. I dont think she's a bad person either.. I just think she's not good enough to be labelled decent as you said in your earlier post. yay! i finished replying.. now i get to go to sleep.. it was nice responding to your wonderful post! hope to see you soon!

edited: didnt see your last addition there so here is responsie ^^

"Here's another example of what I'm trying to
say: Alice likes to dress slutty. But even though Alice dresses slutty, she's a very good student in school and
she doesn't like to flirt with guys at all. Alice always cooks for her parents every night and is very polite.
Alice respects her elders and doesn't drink or do drugs. This is just an example like the china girl situation.
Now a lot of people think that Alice is a slut because she dresses slutty but she's not a slut. Get it? There is a
difference between being a slut and dressing slutty. The same goes for being a whore and doing something
that a whore would do. A slut would be someone who does dirty things that other people would call immoral
or degrading. So Alice is not a slut. I'm pretty sure you understand that.
So, for the china girl. Even though she did do something a whore would most likely do, she's not a whore.
You can't just give a girl the title of being a whore when all she did was fall in love and wanted to be with
the man she loved even if she did sleep with Yu hao. Now that's all cleared up between us I hope."

now thats just unreasonable lol ^^ how can you compare sex with dress code? theres a very heavy weight difference. either you see it as the same thing (dont know why in the world someone would do that) or you take everything lightly..

i still stick with my argument after reading your refute.. *shakes head* i'm sorry.. maybe i'm not understanding enough but i cant see how its alike.. maybe the sexual connotation of dressing slutty and and the actual act of a whoring. They are on completely different levels...

i guess i could see something in it *makes a weird face* or maybe not...

yeah.. lets just call it all cleared up.. lol it would be less messy... thanks for making up the example though.. very thoughtful of you....

okay.. now i'm actually done responding hehe

ahahah Whoring lol! that word is funny xD

wow! damn she tried to copy the piano.......grrrr just when i was starting to think she could be a better person, you know instead of copying yan zi she could of just asked if they could be friends.....well not like that could happen once she went and slept with her bf >_<

and there is NO love triangle between them like people seem to think, see it would be if Yu Hao felt the same way about her, but he only loves yan zi thats where it should of ended......she could love him but should of backed off >_>

if she loved yu hao so much, making him happy would of been first on her list, there for seeing he just wants to be happy with yan zi, and not question 'Ohhh but why the hell does he like her?'.........

i think some of the hate stirred up because the china girl came after, see if yu hao would of met her way before he met yan zi, then maybe you could say its fair for her to want him and have a chance, but not while he had a relationship before her.

I dont know, i never hated her, even when others did, but her actions created the annoyance really, and im sure everyone would be on yan zi's side instead, so there for will not bother with her story.

Why do you even need to have someone to blame something on? Is life really this boring
that you feel the need to even put "blame" into the picture here? I don't know about you
but human beings can live without having to blame others all the time. Besides, the less
negativity you have, the more understanding you become also. Who says that human beings
have to put blame on others? I'm a human being and I never blame others for my problems.
Sure, people make me mad and I complain about it but in the end, it is what I decide to do
that counts. So if someone makes me mad, then I'll try my best and hardest to let it go.
People can live without having a "scrapgoat", believe it or not.

Oh and I never said that you said that you wished the china girl died. No one said anything
about wishing anything. All I said was that you're bound to have anger and something very
close to hate in order to want someone to have just died. Understand that.

And yes, I am a XYZ fan, so now you know.

Ok I am understanding of her but that doesn't mean I sympathize with her or pity her. It
just means that I know why she did the things that she did. ^.^ Even if the china girl
lied about being pregnant, and if Yu hao did make her take a few preg tests. It's true
that things can't always easily mend after someone tells a lie like that. But there is still
forgiveness. You can always forgive someone after they admit their wrong-doings, if they're
sincere about it. And no that is not just in the "dream world" where everyone is
understanding.It's reality here, forgivness is needed for people to actually move on with
their lives and have real closure on past situations. I know that that's true.
You can say that people can still truly move on in their life without having to
forgive and find closure, but that doesn't justify the fact that you can live a fine
and dandy life if you're still hurting from a lie someone told. You can say
that the china girl was the predator all you want, but remember that when it comes to love,
everyone has the right to love and be loved back. So therefore, I don't believe the china
girl was anything like you said about her being the predator when it comes to love.
Hope you understand that too.

"the wrong is still the wrong.. nothing can change that.. not even if she was naiive..
not even if she "redeemed" herself"
My response: Yeah the wrong is still the wrong. It's not like the china girl could go back
in time and change the things she did wrong. That's why you look at her and how much she
changed toward the ending instead of always focusing on the bad things that she did to make
you dislike her so much. Sometimes people just dislike someone too much so they can't see
any good in them no matter how much that someone has changed for the better. Because when
you dislike, sometimes it does blind you to seeing the good in that person that others can.
Just my view of things but you probably wouldn't agree with me either way on that. Like I
said, the china girl (in my opinion) did become a better person at the ending.

"is this... a comeback i see?... no... if you say its a tingle inside meaning a small left
behind feeling.. explain to me this.. why on earth did she want to meet yu hao for the last
time soooo many times? thats more then a tingle.. its like a battle"

My response: Ok if you understand about her being in love, maybe you would understand why
the china girl wanted to see Yu hao so badly for the last time. I already said many times
that the china girl loved Yu hao and I'm sure you're annoyed of hearing it from me, but I'm
going to say it once more. Because the china girl loved yu hao so much, that was why she
wanted to see him one last time before she left. There's nothing wrong with wanting to see
the man you love for the last time before you leave and probably never see him again. Tell
me, what's so wrong with the china girl wanting to bid farewell because she probably
already knew in her heart that it was the last time she would ever see Yu hao again. Nothing
is wrong with that. She loved Yu hao and had to let him go, so before she left, all she
wanted was to see him again.

"i'm not just relying on they're looks or what the bad guys say about them two dear... there
are many many things that make me say that.. first of all i remembered clearly she wanted
to play the piano just like yan zi.. she went into the same place yan zi use to take lessons
.. she found yan zi's old music scores that yu hao still had in the house and she tried to
play it like on the table.. she was talking to her self too..."
My response: Ok thank goodness you explained that part very well because I misunderstood
you. Since you didn't say much and just said that the china girl was trying to be like XYZ,
I thought for sure you were talking personality-wise. Because they're both definitely different.

"and the "real" last time caused his death.. coincidence? yeah yeah... she just cant get enough of him after backing off and only having a "tingle inside.""
My response: Ok so now here we go again with the "death scene". I'll be glad to explain it all over again.
The china girl didn't know that the bad guys would kill Yu hao while yu hao went to see her for the last time.
It's almost as if you're also blaming the china girl for yu hao's death. I'm sorry if you're not blaming the
china girl for his death but I said that it is 'almost' as if you are. How was the china girl supposed to know
that death would be yu hao's fate when yu hao comes to see her for the last time? She didn't know, and I
know for sure that if the china girl did know that yu hao was going to get killed then she wouldn't have
called yu hao out to see her. Because I know that the china girl would not want yu hao to die at all.

Oh yes, it was very thoughtful and don't forget that it was nice of me to write that slutty/whore
example up. I don't know about you but it makes sense to me. Oh and it's an example afterall
so of course it's not going to be exactly alike with that china girl situation. Both
situations are different but the moral is the same. If you don't get it then I guess you
just don't get it then. I guess that's what makes us both so unique. ^.^

Also, if you want to say that you're all just voicing your opinions out loud, instead of hoovering all
these anger and madness in you, then I believe you. Really though, the china girl might have wanted
to be like XYZ and play the piano like her and all that stuff but I'm sure she learned her lesson not to
copy being someone else when her attempts at trying to make Yu hao fall in love with her failed. So that's
why I still say that she became a better person in the end.
Thanks for you responses too.

I think i have to break my streak of posting on in ady and dylan fan thread because I feel there is something to be said in this thread.

Sorry if I'm copying your style typsypixel, by the way, i hope you continue the fanfic soon so i can read it


It is easy for you to say what you like. Why do we need to blame it on someone? Life is boring? You brought that up yourself. And as I recall, Tipsy did not say anything about blaming because its "your problem." It is everyone's problem. She is the problem. You never blame on the problem? Why? You blame everything on yourself? I pity. I really do. If you're always optimistic, you will never be fully understanding. What will you understand? What you want to see in the china girl? Believe what you want. Shield yourself from our society that we have created. You say we dont blame on other people? Look around you. No one is like a buddha like you honey. Okay, you said someone make you mad and you work to let go. You said you "try" like the china girl but does that solve the anger? What if you can not? If what you say is true, we would have a utopia and not this dump of a place.

I hope you can enjoy your stay in the little happy planet you are from. Life is not like that. You need to see more of the world. There are scrapegoats EVERYWHERE, "believe it or not."

I for one enjoy watching outsiders for every character in it including the china girl. There is no hate. Only love for all of them. They make the story, they entertain us. I don't understand why this is such a big deal.


You did say that to Tipsy, you said Tipsy wants the china girl dead. quote from complete: And don't tell me that you're not mad or angry at the china girl when you want death upon
her. end quote Wish is just a fancy word for want. You try to rebuttle but you don't do a very good job.

How do you know about what she did. You just can read minds? Oh good, can you tell what i'm thinking right now after looking at what i wrote since you seem to understand people a lot especially human beings and china girls.

I have no comment about the death scene but yu hao did not have to die at that moment if she stopped pestering him.

I looked back at the example, is it the alice one? If so, then here is what i have to say. It was not the best simulation but i can see what you're trying to get at (unlike Tipsy). It would have been better if you had used something at the same level. Some people can be so criticial.

You repeating how china girl loves yu hao. I think of it as a more obsessive compulsive thing like shopping for girls and gaming for boys. Eh, maybe you don' like that idea, we will just stick to love then. Love Love Love.

Never get tired of hearing XYZ and Yu Hao love though. It's because they were the first love and they had gone through much pain sorry happiness and worry together.

Yes. She became a better person after Yu Hao died. He didn't die for nothing then. Is she redeemable? The question still floats around.

I will refrain from continuing this bickering. Tipsy, I advise you to do that same. Not worth wasting your letters. Save it all for Dylan and Ady Fanfic! I love it so much. You better continue it. As long as I can see them together. It's a happy thing.

Celebrate the beauty of The Outsiders people. Focus on what IS being focused.

I already said that I respected everyone's opinions.
And JIPPER, who ever you are, why did you feel the need to use name-calling with calling me
a buddah? I never said the name-calling had to be bad. :)As I recall, I've never called anyone
any names in here. Tipsy was voicing her
opinions against what I wrote before. So I wrote my opinions on hers. I am willing to
apologize to Tipsy if I said anything inappropriate towards her but I'm sure there is
absolutely nothing to apologize for if we were just writing out our opinions.
Of course, it had to stop sooner or later since we do have very different views.

"It is easy for you to say what you like. Why do we need to blame it on someone? Life is
boring? You brought that up yourself. And as I recall, Tipsy did not say anything about
blaming because its "your problem." It is everyone's problem. She is the problem. You never
blame on the problem? Why? You blame everything on yourself? I pity. I really do. If you're
always optimistic, you will never be fully understanding. What will you understand? What
you want to see in the china girl? Believe what you want. Shield yourself from our society
that we have created. You say we dont blame on other people? Look around you. No one is
like a buddha like you honey. Okay, you said someone make you mad and you work to let go.
You said you "try" like the china girl but does that solve the anger? What if you can not?
If what you say is true, we would have a utopia and not this dump of a place."

My response: Yes, it is easy for me to say those things. And no, it is not just what I like,
it is what I believe is true. And I know many people in my life who would agree with me also
so don't think that this is all just about me. Also, I asked was life really that boring
that you always had to find blame in others? Instead of blaming, why don't you try solving
problems out for once? If all you do is blame, then of course nothing is going to be done
about the problem. Obviously someone doesn't know what blame leads to. If all you do is use
blame for things, then you're obviously not going to get any further in life than what you
already have. Also, who said that I blame all the problems or in your words "everything" on
myself. I honestly don't blame people for anything at all. If other people want
to blame so badly, then go ahead and blame, I'm not going to force someone to
stop blaming others. I'm just saying that people don't have to always blame others when there's a
problem. So don't get me wrong there. Why waste your time blaming
when you could be solving out the problem? Blame gets you nowhere. You pity me? Why? Is it
because I'm not like everyone else who blames, blames, blames? Or am I too understanding
for you? Or is it that I'm just so different that you don't understand me at all? So you
decide to just "pity" me. So go ahead and pity all you want if it makes you feel higher than
me, even when I'm the one who's protruding positivity here. What will I understand? Hmm,
obviously I understand more than you do. Is that a start? You're telling me to shield
myself from our society? Excuse me but it seems like society has filled you with little
significance or value in your head. You 'probably' follow what society does which is like
a cloning convention these days. If society and other people blame, are you going to start
blaming too? Since you did say that you pity me for thinking that I blame everything on
myself. And a utopia? Please, I'm speaking on behalf of myself and what my views are on
life, love, and the china girl situation. I'm not speaking on every human body in the world to be
like me ok? Oh yeah, I do work my hardest to let go of things. Why did you even feel the
need to question me about me trying my best to look on the bright side of situations so I'll
be able to let go of things? I can let go of things if I try my best. What about it? Do you have a problem
that I, unlike you, can actually try my best and work hard to let go? I have to admit, it does take a lot
of time for people to just "let go" of some problems since letting go isn't so easy. I guess I gave people
the impression that "letting go" was so easy. My mistake if I did. I know it's harder than it sounds. But I
still try my best. Nothing wrong with that. It seems like you're trying to down and belittle
me just because I have a lot of things working out for myself.
Actually, I 'think' that you really are just trying to down my self-esteem
and positivity in life just because you probably don't have any. Judging from what you've
just wrote to me, I see that you're full of negativity. You seem bitter, but I'm not
going to become bitter like you so sorry. Whatever your attempts are at making me feel
like what you want me to feel, it's not working.

Oh and let me get this straight.
Just because I'm someone who is very positive in my life, that means that I'm from my own
very happy planet? So in order for me to be from Earth, I have to be so negative about
almost everything? Notice how I said almost? So don't think I'm stating everything.

By the way, I know that there are "scrapgoats" all around the world but I said: "People can
live without having a "scrapgoat", believe it or not." I said that because Tipsy quoted:
"a town always needs a scrapgoat..."

I recognize that you're trying to make me seem like the "bad person" here. When nobody
even tried to make anyone seem like a bad person here until you JIPPER came along. You'll
probably just deny it though. Seeing how you think that I haven't seen enough of the
world so I probably also won't know if someone was trying to make me out to be the "bad"
one here. Just being sarcastic there, I thought it would be a good laugh for your bitter
words you wrote at me. It's okay if you don't think it's funny though.

About that wishing/wanting thing? I guess in order for me to think it was wish, someone
actually needed to type out the whole word "wish". But then again, I thought that just
as long as you said the word "want", that you don't need to go as far as using "wish".
Therefore, that's why I said no one said anything about wishing.

"How do you know about what she did. You just can read minds? Oh good, can you tell what
i'm thinking right now after looking at what i wrote since you seem to understand people a
lot especially human beings and china girls."

My response: Just because I'm confident in what I understand, then that means I can read
minds?? Why are you turning around my words of saying that I just understand the china girl
and implying it to I can read minds? I'm sorry but I will not fall to your belittlings
just so you can feel justified with yourself. I will pray for you.

I'm not even going to get into that death scene thing again. I've already said all I can
say about that part.

"You repeating how china girl loves yu hao. I think of it as a more obsessive compulsive
thing like shopping for girls and gaming for boys. Eh, maybe you don' like that idea, we
will just stick to love then. Love Love Love."

My response: A lot of people have different opinions on Yu hao and the china girl so you
think of it however you want. I don't mind at all. Like I said, I already explained
myself many times before.
I still believe it was love.

I didn't want to sound so harsh but after reading what you wrote jipper, I just had to spit
out the truth.
I guess this ends here. I enjoyed reading everyone's opinions. And I'll always be supporting
XYZ and yu hao's love all the way.

thats called name calling? but being a buddha means you're enlightened.. thats a good thing lol

i'll just focus on ady dylan then.. hopefully finish third chapter today... chelly going to make beautiful poster of ady dylan too

*waves at complete* i'm tired of of china girl talk now ^^ just wanna relax.. she's not as significant as the main characters anyways..

go xyz and yu hao!

thanks! i just love dylan and ady.. and they're ads together.. hoping this might get them to make more series together good ones like the outsiders... i wouldnt mind if they made an ancient series together.. havent seen dylan in ancient clothes.. except for those Eruner ads! so handsome.. well.. not as handsome as him in the outsiders ^^ i'll always have that handsome looking image of him from outsiders

HOLY TURDS ! Some major debating on the China girl xD. I just gave the China girl the name 'whore' because I seriously dislike her presence. Something about her jst makes me say that. Maybe because she let Yu Hao -ahem- while he was drunk. She was willing to give herself to that one guy to get revenge for yu Hao. Anyways, it's nice that this debate cool'd (x But, I don't understand why the China girl had to get revenge, why couldn't she be like Yan Zi & start fresh? Anyways, I'm bias'd to I agree with tipsy on tipsy said 'bout the China Girl. Note; I didn't read everything. There was TOO much xD

i know.. i got a headache.. trying to focus on ady dylan lol for the time being.. everytime i try writing 3rd part.. i want to add stuff and then delete stuff.. o.o its all cool.. we all seem to enjoy outsiders to lets enjoy it together...

chelly.. you missed out on a lot of talk but i know you dont want to read so much stuff thats mostly repetition lol

i think its just because we think a like about china dollie ^^

I'd seriously read everything if it didn't really ended kinda. Maybe read 50% and 50% pretending to read (x. It's ok, we all enjoy the outsiders & we got different views. It's kinda nice to debate. (Yea, this is what Speech & debate has on you xD)

i never took speech and debate.. is that a class? hahaha but i did take TOK (theory of knowledge) a while ago.. you dont have to read it chelly lol its torturous on the eyes.. yes we all have a different perception on characters etc in the outsiders... i guess everyone in here like the relationship between yan zi and yu hao at least yay! a similarity between us all in this thread!

Yes it's a class. Trust me it sucks xD. Everyone has their own opinions so we can't disgree and all this other stuff. Sometimes I feel sorry for blue. He secrectly loved Yan Zi =\

I love blue's character man.. if i were in it.. i'd give him a great big hug for always caring for yan zi and not get in the way of their love so much.. he just wishes yan zi happiness and i like that.. i like that about a person...

he gets to live with yan zi at the end ^^ play with her little son too! awww so cute.. they live happily ever after

Ok lol im not hoping to start the whole debate again but (to much to read lol xD).......I Have to Disagree!!!

for once lol xD

I think people would blame the China Girl (makes her sound like a doll your right xD) if she did not get revenge or go on living for herself....you would then all call her evil for not even caring about him and what she did...her getting revenge does not redeem ehr no way, but makes the grudge much more bearable against her, so you can say 'Oh well at least she did something right! for his death at least'. I guess shes not yan zi, thats her way of dealing with it, and maybe she felt bad for causing the whole thing....although damn! i wish she did not choose right at the end to finaly actuelly GO home this time , she could of did that before.

anyway i hope everyone can understand this lol xD i dont like her no, i just think what she did was OK and i believe if she did not do it people would be less forgiving towards her.

P.S i LOVE Blue!!! he was soo sweet!! i thought him and yan zi were sweet together but maybe not as a couple, i just loved it when they were talking about 'what if we all liked the same girl' and he secretley thought

'if it was my best friend..i would just give up' i swear i could of cryed! he always puts his pals first! i wish yu hao saw how lucky he was =(

Heh, I don't think I would've blame her for not taking revenge. She can do something else for all I care. She's just a girl that I really don't like in this series. I wished she could've died instead of Hong Dao (did I spell her name right?) Maybe, I'm too evil? xD I guess she got revenge to make her feel better, eh oh well. Don't care no more ^^

Well since you like Hong Dao (Red Bean) better then china girl.. of course its okay to think like that.. *evil grin* chelly.. what do you care about? lol hehehe

oh my gosh faye, i love that part too when he was saying it in his head.. he kept his word.. awwww sooo sweet.. okay.. now thats a TRUE friend... *nodds* i think all three of them are lucky to have eachother.. since they were little kids running around on the streets.. to their adulthood.. they still run around in a pak yeah.. love their friendship.. its one of the best things in the series *nodds again* along with xyz and yu hao's love

i just finished watching the outsiders and it's absolutely one of the best series i've ever watched!!! mind you, i do not understand mandarin at all!! my poor bf have to translate every single sentence for me!! haha!!

anyway...i cried so much throughout the show...especially when hong dao and yu hao died...so sad....they shouldn't have died...poor xyz!!!

I care about Yu Hao & Yan Zi's relationship! xD. Blue was such a good friend. I felt really bad how he secretly loved Yan Zi and didn't ask for anything in return.

I KNOW! iw as sooo sad their friendship ended! they were like a trio them running thorugh the rain and stuff! they are soo cute! i was soo sad to see themm all spilt up like that...especially since they knew eachother when they were kids...but Yan zi did not ruin that since she knew them to! so cute they all grew up together sort of.....and Shan zi really does understand yu hao alot more than he does himself lol ^^

i want to re-watch this series ^^ its so good...i personnally prefer the part before shan zi went to jail cuz its more pure and sweet compare to after....yan zi beeing raped...i will hate this part lol...having a hard time watching this part sniff sniff

I skipped the part of the rape incident. I just went straight to where she changed and stuff. Sometimes, I admire Blue's character xD

chelly.. you just cant bare to see her like that huh.. me too! when i rewatch.. i skip it.. so like i only watch that part 2 times.. out of the many rewatch... its so good.. i love the story about friendship.. hardship... believing in your heart.. theres so many themes that are embedded in this series.. its so powerful..

i know what you mean when you say you didn't want them to split up like that.. yes.. they have been through a whole lot together and we just want them to go to the end with eachother... so nice... so nice...

xyz did not break them up.. perhaps she made an even stronger bond if you know what i mean... her presence gave them another goal together.. to protect her kind of like a little sis you know... ^^ I enjoyed watching all the parts when the 4 of them are together.. ahhh... memories

i may be generalizing but everyone should like the love between xyz and yu hao if they like the series come on.. thats one of the main points lol

I've seen it once though! My mom was watching it & I just started to watch a bit and I saw the whole incident. That was when I got hooked into the series and started to watch the rest. It was a nice part where all the 3 guys were running in the rain & the principal or whatever just saw in amazement. It was kinda funny & Yan Zi just comes and gives Yu Hao an umbrella. I think I spelled everything right xD

Once is enough.. *shudders* what? you got hooked after seeing xyz getting raped by that mean little man blue chopped into pieces?.... ok...

yes.. them running in the rain shows they bond and their determination. They started chasing eachother around the track just like when they chase eachother around the block as children and as "teenagers"... awwww... lovely memories.. those are the memorable parts of their togetherness... hahhaa.. xyz just popped out of no wear and handed the umbrella to "only" yu hao.. but i figured later that its because he was still pretty injured..

W0W...everyone is going on with the talking so serious, it's not that bad, I actually like everyone in this series. I really do feel a little bit hating toward the china girl at first but come to think of it, she doesn't matter much to me, she's is somewhat annoying but later she's okay, she's not so absolut. bad, just a little bit annoying, thats all.

Beside, I really feel pity for XYZ and SZ, SZ got the best character to me, so sad for him, but somehow I seem to love XYZ with YH more, SZ is still my fav. character.

P.S- My sis' is so obsessed over SZ's character....(Lan Zheng Long).

Its natural to love Blue's character... what is there not to love.. handsome, kind, charming... oh so caring and loyal.. friendly.. i can go on and on about the good points... but i do prefer xyz and yu hao better... they were MEANT to be

ok sweetrain, if that is how you want to put it.. i think china girl is "annoying" lol ^^

yeah dont you just love it when Blue hands her the letter in the begining, hes just a sweet heart <3, hes always having to look after them to guys since hes the mature one its cute!

yeah the rape scene is horrible..i dont want to see it either, the worse thing is yu hao never understands her change....its sad because laods of arguements start.

LOL you think the china girl is annoying...yeah she is but so is Mouse lol xD hes worse...but hes soo darn funny! i love it when their gangs argue, like when they took them and started beating them up, i did like that part since mouse was funny, and thank goodness they got away in the end.

ahah the police station bit i just love!

'man you guys have no brains...Miss me! miss me but dont bring me to a police station' lol mouse is funny xD

'You guys have no guts!' says my fav! i love him hes so funny <3

'Hey how dare you accuse me! even if he fell on a toilet seat (or something) you would not believe me!'

lol they like keep argueing till the police officers get annoyed xD i just love it when Yan Zi walks in and the way yu hao looks at her!! ohh this series shows soo many elements your right! all lifes problems, and every element of love..classic!