AsianFanatics Forum > Anyone dislike Fahrenheit?

JaeAyUmIXxChun

Oct 10 2007 12 03 PM

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Can someone post me pictures of these guys and their names? Unless there's already images in pages that I've missed. Please and thankyou

woww... the very first person in this thread who doesn't know Fahrenheit..guess that they have not that well-known enough?? hihihi

if you go search for their pics, just randomly search on google or yahoo..
but AF does have a lot of their pics.. just go to the gallery section..there are bunch~

cascada

Oct 10 2007 12 07 PM

i think fahrenheit first attracted people is because of their looks but i can see that they are trying to prove to others that they can act and sing though their singing skills aren't very good. i do agree that their singing skills aren't good but at least they are trying to improve it. one thing i just do not understand is that why wuzun is so popular now. no offence, i am not a anti-wuzun fan just that i do not think that wu zun is very handsome and his acting skill is kinda very superifical and his singing is not good. thus, i just do not understand why he is so POPULAR among fahrenheit.
on the other hand, i find arron the most potential one. he prove that he can act the cool cool type and the funny type of role in zhong ji yi ban and zhong ji yi jia. moreover, his singing skills is the best among the four and he is also cutez. thus, i think the company should give him more shows rather than wu zun.
no offence, this is just my comment.

shellstah__

Oct 10 2007 12 15 PM

QUOTE (ohretro @ Oct 8 2007 4 42 PM)

maybe some of their fans like them for their looks, but most of them? i don't think so. i think most of them like them for what they do in the industry. if their fans only liked them for their looks, their concerts/fan meetings wouldn't be so popular because the fans can just sit at home and stare at their pictures.

and their acting is good. if it wasn't good, jiro wouldn't be booking so many dramas. same with wu zun & arron.

and their popularity is not dying down. they have dramas out right now and will have more next year. plus, their 2nd album is coming out beginning of next year too.

Yes, most of them indeed go for their looks... only SOME go for personality AND looks. If they didn't go for looks, why do you think Calvin is the least-known member of FRH?

Where's Calvin? Obviously the producers or whatever probably thinks that casting Calvin alone in a drama will bring the ratings down because not much people will want to watch him. Hence, he's NEVER in a drama alone..always with another member(s) of FRH.

Personally, I think Arron has too little screentime to really determine if he can act or not.

WayyliEn

Oct 10 2007 8 25 PM

QUOTE (ohretro @ Oct 8 2007 9 42 PM)

maybe some of their fans like them for their looks, but most of them? i don't think so. i think most of them like them for what they do in the industry. if their fans only liked them for their looks, their concerts/fan meetings wouldn't be so popular because the fans can just sit at home and stare at their pictures.

yes, i do admit fahrenheit's singing can still improve. it's not that they can't sing, it's just that when they sing...they sound a little...untogether. i'm not saying they have perfect voices and they're the best boy band in terms of singing.

and their acting is good. if it wasn't good, jiro wouldn't be booking so many dramas. same with wu zun & arron.

and their popularity is not dying down. they have dramas out right now and will have more next year. plus, their 2nd album is coming out beginning of next year too.

well..why stare at their pictures when you can stare at the real thing? lol. but anyway...their popularity is definitley based on their looks. why do you think wu zun is so popular? and when asking people who their favorite member is, most of them say wu zun too. they can't possibly like him for his acting or singing cause hes not that good.

just because they're in dramas, doesnt mean they're good at acting. its only because they're popular at themoment and companies KNOW that if you put popular people into the dramas, the ratings are going to be high. i mean...look at my lucky star, i thought that was a REALLY good drama (good plot, good acting...a little cliche but all dramas have that) , but its ratings weren't high because jimmy lin isnt as popular now as he was before. i bet if they casted wuzun or someone from frh as the main character, the ratings for that drama would be better than it was.

anyways, once a new boy band steals their limelight, they're not going to be in anymore dramas. or just not as much as now.

♥teyu-

Oct 11 2007 5 18 PM

i used to like fahrenheit.... i guess it was that sudden hit of popularity and peer pressure around me that i fell in love with them so blindly.

sadly, out of the 4 of them, i liked the one which I FEEL is the most fake and has the least potential to sing. and that is jiro wang.

alright enough of that. why do you think fahrenheit became so popular?
1. LOOKS
2. LOOKS
3. LOOKS

the whole idea of making this boyband in the 1st place was to attract girls who would instantly fall in love with a perfect package of 4 gorgeous boys. i mean, whats not to like about 4 candyman?think again. after eating a sweet for too long, you might just get bored and sick of it and throw it away in the midst of eating it.i suddenly opened my eyes after a few months through their popularity and found out how scarily untalented they are. yes, they are improving, but the thought of how unfair it is to be rewarded with so much popularity when their talent is only half compared to the much more talented people out there scares me.so i feel that fans who follow blindly should try to see deeper into these things. i deeply regret how much money i have spent supporting them. *sigh*

*lingalicious*

Oct 13 2007 1 00 PM

there will be waves of new clubs/boybands. currently, lollipop is rising among the boybands due to their ages and their fresh new looks.

in the beginning, it was F4, then 5566, then 183 club, and now its fahrenheit and lollipop. my POV is that if their managers do not groom them well, they will not get enough exposure. wuzun gain his fame through hana kimi, the same way mingdao from 183 club gained his from wang zi bian qing wa, which is still, undoubtedly, one of the best TW drama series ive seen so far. even zhong ji yi jia cant compare to it, even though frh is my idol.

frh has to improve, given the attention that they are receiving. if they do not constantly improve, then us fans would feel that there is no need to support them. and of course, they need good cheorographers, good manager, good production team for their dramas, etcetc. without all these people working backstage, they wont have that much success too.

look at what sun de rong's doing. hes not grooming his stars properly, if not, i believe that 183 club would still be hotter than what they are now.

i do agree that frh is not on par with the other up and rising boybands, as well as those that had their share of limelight, but what i can say is still, give them time, and i hope that they will bring more surprises to us.

Aspire

Oct 13 2007 3 40 PM

QUOTE (~lingalovesfahrenheit~ @ Oct 13 2007 8 00 PM)

frh has to improve, given the attention that they are receiving. if they do not constantly improve, then us fans would feel that there is no need to support them. and of course, they need good cheorographers, good manager, good production team for their dramas, etcetc. without all these people working backstage, they wont have that much success too.

I agree yo! Come to think of it, I think Fahrenheit should spend more time on taking vocal lessons and dance lessons than on acting more dramas. They have enough dramas already, with X Family, ISWAK 2 and Romantic Princess all together for this year. And plus the rumoured Hana Kimi sequel... Fahrenheit originally debuted as singers, so if they concentrate too much on acting, their positions as singers will become... what? People will soon know Fahrenheit as actors, but not singers, so what will their albums mean? They'll soon be forgotten.

炎亞綸

Oct 14 2007 11 04 AM

QUOTE (cellwasabi @ Feb 5 2007 7 47 AM)

i hate fahrenheit
zero talent in singing
zero talent in dancing
barely minimum acting skill
they r so horrible
why r they singing? they can't sing 4 sh*t to save their life
it's almost an embarrasement to call them singers
why can't taiwan come up with good singers? taiwan and hong kong boybands r just bad in standard.
i am chinese but i don't listen to chinese music anymore becauz chinese pop music all suck. only listen to traditional chinese now
singers can't sing nor dance
the only reason fahrenheit is popular is becauz they r in stupid dramaz
after little bit later people start to realize they suck azz and get bored
no matter how good looking you are if have no talent then = no future

fahrenheit totally suck. hands down.

it's your own opinion, personally I think fahrenheit is good.. i'll support them, they improved a lot in acting, singing skills.. if they are so horrible, how they got so many fans support them? do you think all of the fans are bad taste? different people like different artist, if just support just one artist, how bout others? give them a chance. i won't hate an artiste, it's just maybe i won't come to such situation to hate them. there's a reason why they are so popular

♥teyu-

Oct 14 2007 4 18 PM

QUOTE (carto0n @ Oct 14 2007 6 04 PM)

it's your own opinion, personally I think fahrenheit is good.. i'll support them, they improved a lot in acting, singing skills.. if they are so horrible, how they got so many fans support them? do you think all of the fans are bad taste? different people like different artist, if just support just one artist, how bout others? give them a chance. i won't hate an artiste, it's just maybe i won't come to such situation to hate them. there's a reason why they are so popular

hmmm i personally feel that a certain person or group will get so much attention is not entirely because of their actual talent if you read my post before this its true that it doesn't mean that all the fans of fahrenheit have bad taste because im sure some of these fans really have reasonable reasons rather then shouting "oh my god he is freakin' cute/hot" all day

i know that fahrenheit have improved from their first album, be it their singing or acting. but once again i must point out. they do not deserve so much attention from the fans and media

*lingalicious*

Oct 14 2007 5 02 PM

QUOTE (Aspire @ Oct 13 2007 10 40 PM)

I agree yo! Come to think of it, I think Fahrenheit should spend more time on taking vocal lessons and dance lessons than on acting more dramas. They have enough dramas already, with X Family, ISWAK 2 and Romantic Princess all together for this year. And plus the rumoured Hana Kimi sequel... Fahrenheit originally debuted as singers, so if they concentrate too much on acting, their positions as singers will become... what? People will soon know Fahrenheit as actors, but not singers, so what will their albums mean? They'll soon be forgotten.

yupp. actually they shouldnt portray themselves as a singer group. they should be more of an acting group, like what one of my AF friends said that day. they have more experience in acting (although maybe some of them are not very good at it yet) compared to singing, so if they want to portray themselves as a singing group(which i think they have to) then they would have to take up more lessons. but that would mean they have to cut down on series etc.

to actually think about it, if they dont portray themselves as a singing group then they might as well disband. yes its harsh, but have you ever heard of a group where they come together for acting when they are all not full roles in shows? if they want to be an acting group, then at least have more than 1 drama series starring all four of them under their belts.

so i think they should focus more on singing since that is how they started out, with their debut album and all, and not focus on singing. they have already mentioned before that they will come together for singing, but no mention of acting, so if thats the case, then our boys seriously have to work on their singing skills instead of being held up by acting projects and all.

just my two cents(:

SH4ever

Oct 14 2007 6 31 PM

I feel like Fahrenheit is still together just to keep the ''brand'' Fahrenheit alive, I actually don't care if they stay tgt or disband but for the fans who hope and wish they will focus more on music and less on drama, I don't think that will happen. I might be wrong but I think FRH are going to do their solo activities, drama, drama and still drama then get tgt to make an album then going back to solo activity.

Let's face it, H.I.M doesnt have the intention to make them the best male singing group in taiwan nor do they want them to become professional/respected singer. FRH are there to bring in the money (I even think that since FRH showed up, S.H.E seems to have more rest...at least for this year) as much and as long as they can.

Their singing is so so, fans think they're good and had improved, non fans still think they sucks. If H.I.M really want them to be more than an idol group, they can do it. Yes, some members are not THAT young to skip a year and train their vocals and facing the possibility of losing fans but FRH already have a large fanbase and if those fans are real fans then they will wait for their favourite group to improve before coming back. Just to say that it's not impossible for the company to take such decision and decide to give them some training IF they really want to.

But why spend money and take a risk while everything is doing too well now? FRH are not good at singing but they're still selling albums, they act in idol drama, have lot of commercials and are extremely popular. All the company has to do is let them do their jobs and take the money. They don't need to change anything because even if FRH are far from being perfect in both acting and singing, they're still selling well and that's what company cares the most nowadays...money.

As for why they won't let FRH break up, simply because FRH as a group will sell more than individual member. It's just a matter of time before they all act in a drama together.

H.I.M doesnt need them to be good in singing, they have S.H.E and TANK for that, in the company only FRH act a lot so I don't think they want to change this situation anytime soon.

And it's not like the fans are complaining either so it's like the best plan for the boys (they got jobs, got money and maintain their popularity), the company (got lot of money) and the fans (get to see lot of their idols).

Of course maybe I'm wrong and H.I.M had already planned to make them focus on music for the next year or something but I doubt so. You don't change a good working receipt.lol

WayyliEn

Oct 22 2007 3 28 AM

i bet the company spends more money getting hair stylists/makeup artists for fahrenheit then getting actual voice teachers/dance teachers. they probably know that if you strip fahrenheit from their looks...they basically have nothing

!evee

Oct 22 2007 10 13 AM

QUOTE (WayyliEn @ Oct 22 2007 12 28 PM)

i bet the company spends more money getting hair stylists/makeup artists for fahrenheit then getting actual voice teachers/dance teachers. they probably know that if you strip fahrenheit from their looks...they basically have nothing

LOL! Your commnet makes me laugh. Yeah the problem with Fahrenheit is that they were formed for singing but they're acting more than singing, gosh SH.E have released like 10 albums since their debut and that's in 6 years, Fahrenheit have yet to release their second one and this is their two year, I think that H.I.M is just keeping them their for the sake of teh band liek wat SH4ever has stated and I got with her/his comment 100% their looks get tiring after a while. Gosh go for guys with looks and are talented not talentless.

Rin.

Oct 22 2007 10 48 AM

relating to what you guys are saying (i'm sorry if i sound harsh like this but..)

maybe the reason why HIM is not giving them proper singing lessons is because, well i reckon FRH is a fad - they came to the spotlight hard and fast through their good looks (because i don't think they're really that talented at all) ~ and can as easily fall out of fame.

by the time that they do "train up" to par with actual singers (that is, if the training works? they're all 20 something now, i don't think their voice will be able to improve very much with the exception of maybe arron who shows potential and is younger than the rest) -- they might've already dropped out of the spotlight by then.

So why not promote them as "actors" instead? HIM will get a good bang for their buck and seeing as they can't really be seen as good "singers" - the second best option would probably be actors. (although i still don't think they're that great as actors either)

And the thing with falling for people because of their looks, it's really easy for another hot guy/group to come along and seem even cooler/hotter than FRH. Just like how FRH took over, another group can easily come and do the same. Talent on the other hand, is hard to fake -- which would secure them more loyal/longstaying fans. (i'm not saying ALL FRH fans are for their looks, but come on. most are)

Aspire

Oct 22 2007 10 54 AM

QUOTE (Rin.)

maybe the reason why HIM is not giving them proper singing lessons is because, well i reckon FRH is a fad - they came to the spotlight hard and fast through their good looks (because i don't think they're really that talented at all) ~ and can as easily fall out of fame.

I agree. I think H.I.M. is a little aware that Fahrenheit might not last long and make it big so they are like retaining them from doing too many albums. Isn't it? S.H.E. can sing very well and so they have to keep on releasing new albums to keep the fans alert of their appearances. Whereas Fahrenheit have been heavily criticised for not being able to sing as well, they have to either take more lessons, or just stop there. Or else, frankly, they won't last long. Three years I think.

I know I am being harsh, but this could be the future for them. How long can boybands last? Being off-topic for a while, look at 5566? Look at 183 Club? They do so well in both singing and acting but now? Where are they?

I thought they were going to release their second album, which was rumoured to be on September, but until now not a single shadow seen. This makes me wonder if they are REALLY going to release their new album or not. My interest for them have decreased quite tremendously for the past few months... :closedeyes:

♥teyu-

Oct 22 2007 11 25 AM

I really agree with you guys. I think that H.I.M really does not want to release their album too soon for FRH has their acting to support them so that they could save some money for other things then to fund them for their 2nd album... i think FRH wouldnt last for long now, but hope that arron continues to work hard. he really shows potential

litoxaznbabix91

Oct 27 2007 6 54 PM

I personally am a HUGE fan of Fahrenheit. I admit it was their looks that got me hooked into them in the first place. IDK and maybe it’s their looks that I love them so much. But I can’t understand why ppl are keep saying they have no talent. I mean yea they obvious need major improvement in their singing and dancing area and maybe some more practice on their acting skill. But to say they “have NO talent” isn’t that a little harsh? I mean Fahrenheit are trying very hard and I’m quite sure they are not trying to use their looks to gains popularity. They’re working hard to gain them. It’s just that they still haven’t reach that level yet. But at least they’re trying? U got to give them credit for that? And if the fans likes them then their probably not all that bad? They have improved a lot this year in the base of their singing. But yes they still need more work. Their voices are alittle…untogether when they sing live and their dancing is not great. But Fahrenheit can dance, the just need better choreographers. And maybe even a better manager. The reason why they do more acting then singing is because they are better at that area. I agree…they have done too much acting this year already altogether. They need to considerate more on their singing since that’s what they’re known for. Maybe get singing lessons or something because if they keep this up, pretty soon Fahrenheit will gonna have to break up. But I’m pretty they are working hard to get better and trying their best. They’re just kind of multi tasking, doing that and acting at the same time. They should concentrate on the singing first. But give them alittle time. I have my full support for them. Only time will tell.

On the other hand, I agree…it is pretty unfair for them to have soo much popularity due to their looks when there are “not so good looking” guys like TANK who obvious can sing 3 times better then Fahrenheit. I just blame H.I.M for not promoting them well. All they care about is the money.

self_hypnosis

Oct 28 2007 3 07 AM

ew yuck Fahrenheit. I hate boybands who have corny songs and can't sing them properly. And i also hate boy bands who wear some sort of "uniform" thing to make them all look the same. It's so lame. Oh yes and i hate those celebs who gain fans from looks first. How unfair is that?

But yeah...i'll respect those who are fans of them. Everyone has their reasons to become fans of their idol, whether or not i agree with those reasons.

*lingalicious*

Oct 28 2007 3 21 AM

QUOTE (self_hypnosis @ Oct 28 2007 10 07 AM)

ew yuck Fahrenheit. I hate boybands who have corny songs and can't sing them properly. And i also hate boy bands who wear some sort of "uniform" thing to make them all look the same. It's so lame. Oh yes and i hate those celebs who gain fans from looks first. How unfair is that?

But yeah...i'll respect those who are fans of them. Everyone has their reasons to become fans of their idol, whether or not i agree with those reasons.

there are a reason why they're called boybands or bands. its the meaning of unity between the members. hating bands because they wear "uniforms", according to you, isnt even a reason at all. its just like saying, i hate all men with moustache.

if they dont wear something similar, then why do they appear as boyband? they can just appear as individuals with their own unique costume.

frh's performance last night sounded good, although there were off tunes and all. paper crepe (or crinklers or whatever you call that) flew into their mouth, which was why it was hard for them to sing. but they're slowly improving, and im sure that that are going to keep to their promise of not disappointing us fans.

Aspire

Oct 28 2007 6 21 AM

QUOTE (self_hypnosis @ Oct 28 2007 10 07 AM)

ew yuck Fahrenheit. I hate boybands who have corny songs and can't sing them properly. And i also hate boy bands who wear some sort of "uniform" thing to make them all look the same. It's so lame. Oh yes and i hate those celebs who gain fans from looks first. How unfair is that?

May I ask? How many artists in this era don't gain their fame from looks first? Looks is indeed a factor nowadays, no matter how unfair you think it is.

And you mentioned about uniforms. Can you give examples of groups that don't appear with similiar outfits to promote their merchandise and albums? Plus, none of the FRH members look the same. Chun wears his outfit with one feel and Arron wears it with another feel. How could you say they look they same?

Rin.

Oct 28 2007 6 32 AM

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Oh yes and i hate those celebs who gain fans from looks first. How unfair is that?

ahh, life is unfair anyway

plus; well -- the thing is, i believe that looks don't last, and ultimately talent does. So really it's "fair" in the end in that those who ONLY have a pretty face will fade away quite quickly compared to those who are actually talented.

So if you (and i) think that FRH are only making it on their looks alone, then i believe they'll soon just fade out again (good looks don't last forever) ~ while those who're actually good at singing will just keep producing their awesome songs.

That's not to say FRH are only making it big on their looks alone, but this is just my opinion; that many many of their fans only love them for their goodlooks (although there are exceptions).

miss scarlett

Oct 28 2007 8 28 AM

QUOTE (Aspire @ Oct 13 2007 7 40 AM)

I agree yo! Come to think of it, I think Fahrenheit should spend more time on taking vocal lessons and dance lessons than on acting more dramas. They have enough dramas already, with X Family, ISWAK 2 and Romantic Princess all together for this year. And plus the rumoured Hana Kimi sequel... Fahrenheit originally debuted as singers, so if they concentrate too much on acting, their positions as singers will become... what? People will soon know Fahrenheit as actors, but not singers, so what will their albums mean? They'll soon be forgotten.

I don't understand why the Taiwanese ET companies don't traine their artists before debuting them. Surely the artists will face less strict criticism by then.

Fahrenheit's already more known as actors than singers.

This point I don't really care because, as long as they're good at it, I'm fine with it, and will support them.

But if they can't... I don't even know why I bother. I haven't watched Romantic Princess or The X-Family yet so I can't judge on their "supposed-to-be-more-polished" acting skills... but from what I got in their previous dramas--their acting is just decent. Jiro can pull some smooth comedic acting but otherwise he can get a bit stiff--Wu Zun, I've only seen him in Hana-Kimi. He was okay, but not the best. Arron, um... not so good. Calvin, worse.

Whatever... I just hope they wont' disappoint me with their second album. Their first album was good, but it did not show me much of their vocal ability. The X-Family OST, however, surprised me. I'm quite amazed at their harmonization. Then again, all thanks to technology.

Don't hate celebs who gain their fame from looks. Um... CELEBRITY. You're suppose to look good. That's the whole point.

litoxaznbabix91

Oct 29 2007 1 27 AM

QUOTE (self_hypnosis @ Oct 28 2007 10 07 AM)

ew yuck Fahrenheit. I hate boybands who have corny songs and can't sing them properly. And i also hate boy bands who wear some sort of "uniform" thing to make them all look the same. It's so lame. Oh yes and i hate those celebs who gain fans from looks first. How unfair is that?

But yeah...i'll respect those who are fans of them. Everyone has their reasons to become fans of their idol, whether or not i agree with those reasons.

umm...yea...that's the whole point of boybands. Can u name one boyband that never dress in "uniform thing" at all? Yea...and beside jiro, arron, calvin and wu zun all have different style even when they dress the same it's not the same, they're similar to each other but not the same. And yea like the others said. They're CELEBRITY. Looking good is just part of the package. Ever celebs are like that. It's the matter of their skill. If a boyband sux doesn't matter how "good" they look their still not gonna get popular by that. I mean why would anyone want to waste money to go see a bunch of guys who as u said "sing corny songs and can't sing em properly" when we could just look at em in pictures or on TV, and apparently their last album wouldn't sell millions?

self_hypnosis

Oct 29 2007 6 46 AM

QUOTE (~lingalovesfahrenheit~ @ Oct 28 2007 1 21 PM)

there are a reason why they're called boybands or bands. its the meaning of unity between the members. hating bands because they wear "uniforms", according to you, isnt even a reason at all. its just like saying, i hate all men with moustache.

if they dont wear something similar, then why do they appear as boyband? they can just appear as individuals with their own unique costume.

Maybe i should take back the "hate" and replace it with "dislike"?
I just think the whole concept it lame. Plus, it's not only wearing uniforms, it's also that their "uniform" or whatever you call it is ... quite ugly looking to ME. I'm not only directing it at FRH, but to other boybands too. Which is a reason why im not a fan of any boybands at all. If they CAN sing then yeah i wouldnt mind them, but listening to FRH and their corny songs hurt my ears. This is just what i think about them okay?

QUOTE (Aspire @ Oct 28 2007 4 21 PM)

May I ask? How many artists in this era don't gain their fame from looks first? Looks is indeed a factor nowadays, no matter how unfair you think it is.

And you mentioned about uniforms. Can you give examples of groups that don't appear with similiar outfits to promote their merchandise and albums? Plus, none of the FRH members look the same. Chun wears his outfit with one feel and Arron wears it with another feel. How could you say they look they same?

Nope, i don't listen to artists according to what they "look" like. If you're talking about their "image", then that's different. Having a good image is important in today's industry, not LOOKS. Let me give you a list of "ungoodlooking" singers who did NOT gain their popularity first by looks - Justin Lo, Vincy, Khalil, Ivana, Eason, Joey, Jay Chou, Nicky Lee, Tank, David Tao, etc. Wow? Yeah, there are people out there who aren't shallow towards everything.

I do acknowledge that looking good is an advantage to those who want to become singers, but i tell you, they're not gonna last long. I often do ask myself about why this world is so superficial.

QUOTE (litoxaznbabix91 @ Oct 29 2007 11 27 AM)

umm...yea...that's the whole point of boybands. Can u name one boyband that never dress in "uniform thing" at all? Yea...and beside jiro, arron, calvin and wu zun all have different style even when they dress the same it's not the same, they're similar to each other but not the same. And yea like the others said. They're CELEBRITY. Looking good is just part of the package. Ever celebs are like that. It's the matter of their skill. If a boyband sux doesn't matter how "good" they look their still not gonna get popular by that. I mean why would anyone want to waste money to go see a bunch of guys who as u said "sing corny songs and can't sing em properly" when we could just look at em in pictures or on TV, and apparently their last album wouldn't sell millions?

COUGH. Personally, i think FRH "sucks" and yeah, sometimes i do wonder why people want to pay money to see those singers who lack in singing ability. but if they have fans who think they're great singers and have great songs then fair enough. IMO they shouldve taken singing lessons before attempting to sing.

Maybe i should state WHY im not a fan of FRH. No, it's not about their uniform =.=
I don't like their singing, their songs, their typical boyband look, and sometimes even their fans. Some fans can't even take the smallest critisisms about their idols and fully get agro over it. WTH? Everyone has the rights to write their opinions. If you don't agree, then fair enough don't try to back up your idols with the most ridiculous arguements.

Overall, there really is no point in arguing because no matter what you or i say, no one's perspective towards this group is gonna change. After all this, i still think the uniform IMO is gay lol.

Aspire

Oct 29 2007 10 19 AM

QUOTE (self_hypnosis @ Oct 29 2007 1 46 PM)

I do acknowledge that looking good is an advantage to those who want to become singers, but i tell you, they're not gonna last long. I often do ask myself about why this world is so superficial.

If you don't agree, then fair enough don't try to back up your idols with the most ridiculous arguements.

Yes, I know they won't last long. Until now, I still haven't found a boyband like Fahrenheit that lasted for more than a decade. This world IS superficial. There's no cure to it. No one can find the correct answer because there is no answer to your question.

I don't think anyone was backing up with the most ridiculous reasons. If someone is to come here and spazz about 'Oh! Fahrenheit is the best boyband in the world and no one can beat them!', I consider that as EXTREMELY ludricrous.

QUOTE (miss scarlett @ Oct 28 2007 3 28 PM)

I don't understand why the Taiwanese ET companies don't traine their artists before debuting them. Surely the artists will face less strict criticism by then.

I think I have known Taiwanese boybands enough to judge this. Taiwanese companies normally focus too much on the 'packaging'. What is inside the package, it doesn't matter. Plus many artists are 'found' at an older age, unlike Korean artists who usually start training at the tender ages like 11 - 18, so basically there isn't much time to train them.

self_hypnosis

Oct 29 2007 11 34 AM

QUOTE (Aspire @ Oct 29 2007 8 19 PM)

Yes, I know they won't last long. Until now, I still haven't found a boyband like Fahrenheit that lasted for more than a decade. This world IS superficial. There's no cure to it. No one can find the correct answer because there is no answer to your question.

I don't think anyone was backing up with the most ridiculous reasons. If someone is to come here and spazz about 'Oh! Fahrenheit is the best boyband in the world and no one can beat them!', I consider that as EXTREMELY ludricrous.

I think I have known Taiwanese boybands enough to judge this. Taiwanese companies normally focus too much on the 'packaging'. What is inside the package, it doesn't matter. Plus many artists are 'found' at an older age, unlike Korean artists who usually start training at the tender ages like 11 - 18, so basically there isn't much time to train them.

"Why is this world so superficial?" Yes, i realised that that is a rhetorical question. I never expected an answer =]

I wasn't referring to anyone here about backing up with the most ridiculour reasons. But hell yeah, i've seen people say things along the lines of "Oh! Fahrenheit is the best boyband in the world and no one can beat them!" In the poll room maybe?

litoxaznbabix91

Oct 30 2007 1 41 AM

QUOTE (self_hypnosis @ Oct 29 2007 1 46 PM)

COUGH. Personally, i think FRH "sucks" and yeah, sometimes i do wonder why people want to pay money to see those singers who lack in singing ability. but if they have fans who think they're great singers and have great songs then fair enough. IMO they shouldve taken singing lessons before attempting to sing.

Maybe i should state WHY im not a fan of FRH. No, it's not about their uniform =.=
I don't like their singing, their songs, their typical boyband look, and sometimes even their fans. Some fans can't even take the smallest critisisms about their idols and fully get agro over it. WTH? Everyone has the rights to write their opinions. If you don't agree, then fair enough don't try to back up your idols with the most ridiculous arguements.

Overall, there really is no point in arguing because no matter what you or i say, no one's perspective towards this group is gonna change. After all this, i still think the uniform IMO is gay lol.

Ok fair enough... U don't like em that ur perspective of em. They still have fans who think they're awesum. And I wasn't trying to back em up with ridiculous arguements I was just making a point. I never said they where great and u had to like em? I'm just saying if they really have "NO talent" they wouldn't have as much fans as they do. And yea I agree there are singers who arn't as "good looking" as they are and can sing 3 times better then they can (TANK, JJ Lin, Jay Chou, Eason Chan, etc) but not as famous as FRH are, and that's really unfair but sorry to tell u...the world IS really that superficial like you said. I admit I too also like fahrenheit part of because of their looks. It's just how it is. We can't do anything about it. Looks will fade but talent can last. And if fahrenheit really don't have talent they won't last long. But if they really do have talent like many fans thinks, then we'll just see how it goes. Only time will tell.

01S0ULL

Oct 31 2007 4 02 AM

Basically, if you take away their looks...you wont have any interest in them, they'd actually be a turn off because they can't sing, dance or act...
^
That was basically what got me to not like them anymore.. >_>

I know fangirls will say. "THEY ARE IMPROVING".. but..they still cant sing..
OR
"Wu Zun is such a good actor, look at all the dramas he has been in". well. He gets so many roles because he is so popular..and his acting is WAY too over-rated...

Seriously...I think FRH is one of the most unprepared boybands I've seen...Sure whatever, they have the looks to catch people's attention. But they arent ready for anything else. Their vocals are weak. Their dancing doesn't really appeal to people.
Being an ex-hardcore fan last year made me regret it because I basically fangirled over guys that have limited talent (except Arron)..I guess I could say I got into the trap of a good looking boyband...
Now when I listen to their songs... its like....why did I even LOVE them?
I actually want to like them for some reason...but I just cant ... cause they suck..its that simple..they cant sing...

GO ARRON! <3

AndLoveYelledNO

Oct 31 2007 7 59 AM

I think they're pretty cheesy. They're selling an image and nothing more. I can assure you that every single one of their fans are only that because they feel *something down there* whenever they look at them

WuZunEllaCute

Oct 31 2007 8 20 AM

QUOTE (AndLoveYelledNO @ Oct 31 2007 2 59 PM)

I think they're pretty cheesy. They're selling an image and nothing more. I can assure you that every single one of their fans are only that because they feel *something down there* whenever they look at them

what you mean by that?? every single one have their own reasons to like or dislike their stars... you don't see that attract to you but others are just different... for me Fahrenheit nowadays getting a lot of improvements!!!

JIAYOU FEI LUN HAI!!!

self_hypnosis

Oct 31 2007 9 38 AM

QUOTE (01S0ULL @ Oct 31 2007 2 02 PM)

Basically, if you take away their looks...you wont have any interest in them, they'd actually be a turn off because they can't sing, dance or act...
^
That was basically what got me to not like them anymore.. >_>

I know fangirls will say. "THEY ARE IMPROVING".. but..they still cant sing..
OR
"Wu Zun is such a good actor, look at all the dramas he has been in". well. He gets so many roles because he is so popular..and his acting is WAY too over-rated...

Seriously...I think FRH is one of the most unprepared boybands I've seen...Sure whatever, they have the looks to catch people's attention. But they arent ready for anything else. Their vocals are weak. Their dancing doesn't really appeal to people.
Being an ex-hardcore fan last year made me regret it because I basically fangirled over guys that have limited talent (except Arron)..I guess I could say I got into the trap of a good looking boyband...
Now when I listen to their songs... its like....why did I even LOVE them?
I actually want to like them for some reason...but I just cant ... cause they suck..its that simple..they cant sing...

GO ARRON! <3

ahh i 100% agree. Glad i was never ever a fan though. I'm so sick of ppl going "they're improving...give them some time!!" If it's that easy "improve" then we could all be singers! If we all trained then i reckon we could possibly be labled as "talented singer" if we're lucky, true?

The thing with Fahrenheit is ... they weren't born singers. Real talented singers, imo, were born to have that extra little something. They can't just one day go "oh hey! i look good so why don't i become a singer since i'd get fans for sure!" That's just degrading music. Aaron is really the only one ive heard sing live and could pass as a decent singer. He should seriously go solo, otherwise he'd be forever known as another pretty boy from Fahrenheit with nothing but the looks <-- what the whole population beside FRH fans see them as.

mynecklace

Oct 31 2007 10 12 AM

Even if someone wasn't born a singer, they can improve and become better... anyone can sing.. and i don't see anything wrong with people trying improve by entering into the entertainment industry and trying out for a band or becoming solo....

FRH is not always known for their loooks... although they might not be the most experienced, the best at singing, the best at acting but they sure have improved A LOT from the beginning... People like them because they perservere and each time you see them, you can spot a difference from the performance before..

IT IS A FACT THAT THEY HAVE IMPROVED.. look at their first performances.. ... i admit.. a bit off tune here and there.. look at them now. You can see that they can harmonise better, has better dance moves... is improving...

WE PAY FOR THEIR CONCERTS AND ALBUMS SO THAT WE CAN GIVE THEM A FAIR CHANCE TO LEARN AND GROW FROM THEIR EXPERIENCES.

Gibberish.

Oct 31 2007 10 14 AM

QUOTE (self_hypnosis @ Oct 31 2007 9 38 AM)

ahh i 100% agree. Glad i was never ever a fan though. I'm so sick of ppl going "they're improving...give them some time!!" If it's that easy "improve" then we could all be singers! If we all trained then i reckon we could possibly be labled as "talented singer" if we're lucky, true?

Exactly. Fans will always say they are improving. Although, I think they have not. Other than fangirls, I have not heard any rational fans or non-fan of FRH saying they've improved.

QUOTE (self_hypnosis @ Oct 31 2007 9 38 AM)

The thing with Fahrenheit is ... they weren't born singers. Real talented singers, imo, were born to have that extra little something. They can't just one day go "oh hey! i look good so why don't i become a singer since i'd get fans for sure!" That's just degrading music. Aaron is really the only one ive heard sing live and could pass as a decent singer. He should seriously go solo, otherwise he'd be forever known as another pretty boy from Fahrenheit with nothing but the looks <-- what the whole population beside FRH fans see them as.

FRH have extra something too...their extra something is a pretty face. FRH is definitely not, and will never be, on my(and I'm sure any non-fans of them) real-talented-singers list. boy groups are all just the looks. &they never last. I mean, look, which boy groups is still famous now? F4, 183Club, 5566? I barely hear anything about them now. That will be FRH few years later. One year, I guess, at the most.

Yes, I think Aaron is still young and he can improve his singing, since he just has that singing ability in him. I think being in FRH is tying his potential. FRH is known as pretty boys and I guess the company simply uses them to make money and does not bother to let them have vocal lessons, which I think for Aaron, is quite sad. Also, it may be for the fact that they are all now in drama serials and everything, and they do not have any more time for those lessons. If you ask me, they actually need to take drama lessons too.

I think Aaron will be better off solo.

QUOTE (Aspire @ Oct 7 2007 7 54 AM)

Even now, I feel that Lollipop is already a possible threat to Fahrenheit. Plus, the Fahrenheit guys are no longer the young boys anymore, so gradually new groups consisting of younger members will surely be there to take over the stage. It's just the matter of time, that's it.

I think you're quite right when you say Lollipop is a possible threat. I'm not sure about this news(since I'm definitely not a fan of FRH and I'm not such a huge fan of Lollipop) but I thought I've heard news like FRH postponing their release of the second album to the beginning of next year because Lollipop is going to release their next album at December too. Plus that more-fans-not thing when both groups visited Hong Kong.

nanshi

Oct 31 2007 11 24 PM

QUOTE (Aspire @ Oct 22 2007 5 54 AM)

I know I am being harsh, but this could be the future for them. How long can boybands last? Being off-topic for a while, look at 5566? Look at 183 Club? They do so well in both singing and acting but now? Where are they?

5566 has some staying power! They've been around for a few years now (at least 5) and they still do activities and hosting and stuff. They haven't disbanded or anything and are still going quite strong, if you ask me.

183club has some issues with their management and membership... so let's not argue that boat.

But what about KOne? Insanely popular! Still together! And I think they've been around as long as 5566 has (KOne just hasn't gotten popular except in the last two years or so).

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QUOTE (miss scarlett @ Oct 28 2007 3 28 AM)

I don't understand why the Taiwanese ET companies don't traine their artists before debuting them. Surely the artists will face less strict criticism by then.

Only Japanese and Korean companies are really known for getting tons of artists when they still haven't even hit puberty yet and training them to become stars. Most Taiwanese ent. companies don't really manage to recruit artists until their twenties (sometimes even late twenties) or so. And even then, Taiwan depends on the 'whole package' and I find that a lot of Taiwanese companies rely on the "either you've got it, or you don't" kinda deal. ie: nothing can be TRAINED out of them. You're either naturally talented or you're not. Which kinda sucks, because you have got to be either REALLY GOOD to have any semblance of skill when you're only in your early twenties or teens because most of the people that *I* know that weren't good singers when they were younger are pretty good now... but it took somewhere close to aobut 6-8yrs of natural exposure and practice to get them to be just at an "okay" level (I'm serious, too).

Plus, I don't think Taiwanese companies are as ambitious as Korean or Japanese companies are. Korean companies are willing to put two or three or eight (seriously!) years of training to debut a star and make sure that debut is successful. Taiwanese companies don't seem to have that kind of foresight. They want a group or an idol for the HERE AND NOW because of Taiwan's fluctuating preferences. Therefore, they see no point in training and artist in order to make it a successful debut because frankly, looks in Taiwan sell a lot better and a lot faster than talent does. They'll give you a year at most to get acclimated to whatever you're going to be doing... but after that, it's all on your own skill, talent, and evolution. Sure, talent is great and talent will get you far... but the recent trends of idols has encouraged just that: idols. Not performers, not singers, not talented people... but IDOLS.

I wonder if Johnny's or SM was like this when the FIRST started... but I guess I'll never really know, huh? I can't really trace them that far back.

It's pitiful and I hate to admit it because I am Taiwanese and I think Taiwanese Entertainment does have its shining moments but... it is much easier to looks, personality, cuteness, and otherwise 'outward appearances' to gain popularity than talent and skill is. I mean, in the KOne thread, that's what tammiest was talking about: KOne had a pretty decent debut album. It's a little old-skool, but I think it was perfectly suitable for the moment... but KOne has some pretty uncharacteristic looks. JR is chubby with tiny eyes and 'kinda sorta' cute in that overgrown teddy bear fashion. Gino, Kido, and Darren are all very edgy looking with very intense eyes and intense expressions. The only one that 'kinda' fits the image of a typical Taiwanese idol is Liyang... and even then... Liyang has a look of maturity and assurance about him... not necessarily "cuteness" (which seems to be kinda the trend).

American management and record companies work the same way, except in the American industry, we don't care about age so much... so once you've made it, even if you're like 34 years old... you've made it (except with the recent trend of American Idol which is quite disappointing).

QUOTE (Aspire @ Oct 29 2007 5 19 AM)

I think I have known Taiwanese boybands enough to judge this. Taiwanese companies normally focus too much on the 'packaging'. What is inside the package, it doesn't matter. Plus many artists are 'found' at an older age, unlike Korean artists who usually start training at the tender ages like 11 - 18, so basically there isn't much time to train them.

*haha. what she said.

QUOTE (self_hypnosis @ Oct 31 2007 4 38 AM)

ahh i 100% agree. Glad i was never ever a fan though. I'm so sick of ppl going "they're improving...give them some time!!" If it's that easy "improve" then we could all be singers! If we all trained then i reckon we could possibly be labled as "talented singer" if we're lucky, true?

The thing with Fahrenheit is ... they weren't born singers. Real talented singers, imo, were born to have that extra little something. They can't just one day go "oh hey! i look good so why don't i become a singer since i'd get fans for sure!" That's just degrading music. Aaron is really the only one ive heard sing live and could pass as a decent singer. He should seriously go solo, otherwise he'd be forever known as another pretty boy from Fahrenheit with nothing but the looks <-- what the whole population beside FRH fans see them as.

I don't think any of them intended to be singers. But it seems to be the trend for boygroups to try and cover all the bases (acting, singing, hosting, dancing, performing, etc)... they had to venture out in that direction.

Besides, not just ANYONE can be like "Hey! I look good, so why don't I go out and try to become a singer?" You might do that, but no one will sign you anyways... If it wasn't for the backing of H.I.M, I'm pretty sure as a group, FRH would not have been able to get an album at all... well, at least not from the start. Maybe after the wild success of Hana-Kimi and KO-One where FRH started becoming really popular.

QUOTE (mynecklace @ Oct 31 2007 5 12 AM)

Even if someone wasn't born a singer, they can improve and become better... anyone can sing.. and i don't see anything wrong with people trying improve by entering into the entertainment industry and trying out for a band or becoming solo....

IT IS A FACT THAT THEY HAVE IMPROVED.. look at their first performances.. ... i admit.. a bit off tune here and there.. look at them now. You can see that they can harmonise better, has better dance moves... is improving...

FRH has improved, but no more beyond how a newbie would improve and recover from 'stage fright.' I don't think they will be able to improve into anything credible or super skilled to show that their stage skills are actually naturally inherent. Yeah, they might get better... but that could take years. If you are not naturally skilled, it takes quite some time in order to develop your voice into something that can be skilled. I think dancing is a bit easier to manage... but natural inclinations for pitch, tone, and notes? That takes awhile to cultivate.

So yeah, they've improved, but nothing to really show me that they are all naturally talented. Just enough to show me that they're hard workers and that they've adapted to the stage and to microphones and now know how to maneuver them a bit better. I don't really consider that improvement though, just 'natural process' really. If I had dozens of performances, sooner or later, I'd get used to it and figure out how to use my mic properly and how to perform in order to maximize my potential.

Aspire

Nov 1 2007 3 59 PM

QUOTE (nanshi @ Nov 1 2007 6 24 AM)

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Well, it's funny that I don't see how strong they're going now. They seem to vanish from the entertainment industry. The only time I get to see them on TV now is when they air some of the old episodes of Shao Nian Te Gong Dui. Other than that, I don't really see them much, not even on newspapers.

However, Fahrenheit's news are EVERYWHERE! I'm a moderator in a Fahrenheit Forum in-charging of the news section, and there was a period when I found TONS of news to update everyday! It also makes me realise how impressive the Taiwanese medias can work. They even report teeny-weeny things like WuZun picking his nose. Sigh...

But frankly, yeah, that won't last long.

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Besides, not just ANYONE can be like "Hey! I look good, so why don't I go out and try to become a singer?" You might do that, but no one will sign you anyways... If it wasn't for the backing of H.I.M, I'm pretty sure as a group, FRH would not have been able to get an album at all... well, at least not from the start. Maybe after the wild success of Hana-Kimi and KO-One where FRH started becoming really popular.

Hahaha! The same thought! *high-five*
I think H.I.M. and Comics <spelling> is taking the risk when signing up Fahrenheit. They don't seem to recruiting enough artists, or so I think. So far I only know S.H.E., Lollipop, and F4 are (were) a few of the artists. Are there anymore? So basically they're only depending on these few for $$$. F4 and S.H.E. are still doing very well so they don't have a problem. But Fahrenheit, yes, it is a risk. I even thought so when I first liked them because they're... ok, too far away from their seniors. F4 and S.H.E. have done well ever since they debuted, and there were rarely any criticisms. But Fahrenheit has (have?) been criticised almost everywhere when they first debuted. Like I've said above, I do think Lollipop has the chance to overtake them.

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AndLoveYelledNO

Nov 2 2007 3 23 AM

QUOTE (litoxaznbabix91 @ Oct 31 2007 3 58 PM)

I'm sorry...WHAT EXACTLY DO U MEAN BY THAT???

What it says. Girls going through puberty are enthralled by these guys. They're only fans because they like how they look. Period.

I hate when people say "but they're improving". They shouldn't have to. You should be a musician/actor and have everything that comes with that because you already ARE talented.

WuZunEllaCute

Nov 2 2007 3 55 AM

QUOTE (AndLoveYelledNO @ Nov 2 2007 10 23 AM)

I hate when people say "but they're improving". They shouldn't have to. You should be a musician/actor and have everything that comes with that because you already ARE talented.

At least they are improving and each of them have their own talents...

But if you still hate those people who kept on saying they are improving... too bad...
i think if they are not talented, why they are still popular??? i don't think all their fans are girls(although majority of the are females), certain are guys too!!! if you still can't accept the fact they are talented, please don't bash those harsh words coz some of us here are Farenheit's lover...

i just wonder what will you do when u discover about ur favourites artistes being commented like that?? i bet u like it??

saying them not talented is fine, but if more than that, it's already cursing lorx...maybe just ur words are too harsh for others to accept this... and yeah one more thing, it's not because of them that girls went through puberty...it's normal!!!

Aspire

Nov 2 2007 7 11 AM

Although I have this undecided feeling towards Fahrenheit, I still need to make things clear a bit. So please excuse me if I sound contradicting.

QUOTE (WuZunEllaCute @ Nov 2 2007 10 55 AM)

But if you still hate those people who kept on saying they are improving... too bad...
i think if they are not talented, why they are still popular??? i don't think all their fans are girls(although majority of the are females), certain are guys too!!! if you still can't accept the fact they are talented, please don't bash those harsh words coz some of us here are Farenheit's lover...

I don't think the other poster's post was harsh. Frankly, Fahrenheit is not a group that is VERY talented. Arron is so far the best in terms of that, since he knows more about music, and that is what people usually refer as TALENT, but he doesn't indulge in acting much. Jiro knows music too, since he plays the guitar, but sadly he didn't perform it as often. I'm sure there are even people who don't even know about this. Besides that, Jiro, WuZun and Calvin all have tried acting before, so fans may consider this as TALENT as well. No, they're not as good as Tony Leung or Andy Lau, because they're not trained enough/at all for that. Pity...

QUOTE (WuZunEllaCute @ Nov 2 2007 10 55 AM)

i just wonder what will you do when u discover about ur favourites artistes being commented like that?? i bet u like it??

If an artist is worse than Fahrenheit, then ok, no problem, people can criticise him/her. Some people are not in denial and they are able to pick out the faults in their idols.

QUOTE (WuZunEllaCute @ Nov 2 2007 10 55 AM)

saying them not talented is fine, but if more than that, it's already cursing lorx...maybe just ur words are too harsh for others to accept this... and yeah one more thing, it's not because of them that girls went through puberty...it's normal!!!

How is saying something more than 'Fahrenheit is not talented' considered as cursing? Cursing is like "I want them to die and go to hell!". No one has ever said that here. The worst I've heard was "They don't deserve to be famous", and that is not cursing, my dear.

And I think you took it wrongly about the puberty thingo. Read again.

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What it says. Girls going through puberty are enthralled by these guys. They're only fans because they like how they look. Period.

Rin.

Nov 2 2007 7 29 AM

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I hate when people say "but they're improving". They shouldn't have to. You should be a musician/actor and have everything that comes with that because you already ARE talented.

lol - now now, don't take away the only thing FRH fans can say in defense of their singing.
But really, i hate it too. I don't really believe that you can nuture talent like that, and especially at such a age. I mean, sure you can improve your singing through training, but it's near impossible to train just anyone to have a great voice, you've got to have the talent first, don't you?

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it's not because of them that girls went through puberty...it's normal!!!

Mmm, "enthralled by" doesn't mean "caused by" ~ enthralled means "thrilled" or "enchanted" or "captivated" (enticed?) by. Can't find an exact word.

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i bet u like it??

Uhnnn.. Yeah i'd hate it too, but then again i normally go for talent over looks (whether it be in singing or acting) so :/ i don't know. As much as i *had* liked wuzun and jiro in ~~the 4 episodes i watched of~~ hana kimi, they seriously aren't that talented.

self_hypnosis

Nov 2 2007 11 06 AM

okay that puberty thing is just random lol~

about the whole "talent" thing, everyone acknowledges talent in different ways. some would think that having a basic ability to perform a skill would be considered as having some talent in that area i.e. FRH are all talented because they don't fully suck at acting and singing. For me though, being talented means that you're skills are at least a few steps way above the average and you possess a unique skill that nobody else has. Therefore to me, FRH is not talented in this area at all.

WayyliEn

Nov 3 2007 2 38 AM

QUOTE (WuZunEllaCute @ Nov 2 2007 3 55 AM)

At least they are improving and each of them have their own talents...

But if you still hate those people who kept on saying they are improving... too bad...
i think if they are not talented, why they are still popular??? i don't think all their fans are girls(although majority of the are females), certain are guys too!!! if you still can't accept the fact they are talented, please don't bash those harsh words coz some of us here are Farenheit's lover...

i just wonder what will you do when u discover about ur favourites artistes being commented like that?? i bet u like it??

saying them not talented is fine, but if more than that, it's already cursing lorx...maybe just ur words are too harsh for others to accept this... and yeah one more thing, it's not because of them that girls went through puberty...it's normal!!!

yes, i have to agree they're improving...but by the time they're actually considered "good", more than half the band will be over 30 years old, and thats going to be a turn off for fans.

i really just think fahrenheit are popular for their looks, they don't have a LOT of talent. i mean, i used to like them, but then i started to realize that besides their looks...they don't have much to back them up in the entertainment industry.

acting: they're not bad. i wish jiro would take on more serious roles though, cause hes always the comedy relief, so you can't really even tell if hes a good actor or not. and wu zun's chinese bothers me..im sure he could be an even better actor if it wasn't for that problem. he always looks like hes trying remember the lines. you can see it in his expression

singing: umm...thank god technology have advanced in the studio. they might sound kinda good on cd, but i doubt they can sing that good live. and i don't think they show much emotions in their songs.

AndLoveYelledNO

Nov 3 2007 3 11 AM

QUOTE (WuZunEllaCute @ Nov 1 2007 10 55 PM)

At least they are improving and each of them have their own talents...

But if you still hate those people who kept on saying they are improving... too bad...
i think if they are not talented, why they are still popular??? i don't think all their fans are girls(although majority of the are females), certain are guys too!!! if you still can't accept the fact they are talented, please don't bash those harsh words coz some of us here are Farenheit's lover...

i just wonder what will you do when u discover about ur favourites artistes being commented like that?? i bet u like it??

saying them not talented is fine, but if more than that, it's already cursing lorx...maybe just ur words are too harsh for others to accept this... and yeah one more thing, it's not because of them that girls went through puberty...it's normal!!!

What exactly is it that you expect to find when you come to the CRITICS hang out? Only things you want to hear? This is a place for people to state their opinions. I don't mind you defending them, that's what I expected to find here. But don't tell me not to speak my mind simply because you dont like it. If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen.

Read my comments again. I already gave my opinion on why they're so popular. Because they're "attractive". And guys can't find guys attractive?

Uh, when did I say puberty is a result of Fahrenheit? I said girls who are going through puberty love them because they're "hot"...

Don't kid yourself. If they were fat and ugly, we wouldn't be having this conversation. Because you wouldn't be here.

QUOTE (Rin. @ Nov 2 2007 2 29 AM)

lol - now now, don't take away the only thing FRH fans can say in defense of their singing.
But really, i hate it too. I don't really believe that you can nuture talent like that, and especially at such a age. I mean, sure you can improve your singing through training, but it's near impossible to train just anyone to have a great voice, you've got to have the talent first, don't you?

Exactly! I don't think it's fair to people who are actually talented. They get bypassed because their image may not meet a certain standard and yet these guys who can barely sing and act are given all the opportunities simply because they can make girls (and some guys) scream

I get that looks are important and that won't change. But if they're going to be attractive, they should at least be talented as well. It should be a requirement.

alternateSELF

Nov 5 2007 5 02 PM

I don't hate them but their live performances are off. In live performance one artist shows their true talent but what if they don't perform well? Fei Lun Hai cannot be considered as newbie anymore so they don't have an excuse if they sang off key for their live performances.
I've seeen their series and its not heavy drama so not much of acting needed. I know they will be like F4 that once the contract has ended they will go separate ways. Chun is better off solo, Jiro is ok, Aaron I know he wants to go solo because he enjoyed his solo song for one ost, Calvin I'm not sure whats going to happen to him because even Angela Zhang asked him if he has nothing else to do but smile in short she is saying that his only talent is smiling. They need to practice more for live performance. Their fans is fine even if they sang off key but its a major turn off to non-fans going to make them dislike the group more.

Gibberish.

Nov 6 2007 10 01 AM

QUOTE (WuZunEllaCute @ Nov 2 2007 3 55 AM)

At least they are improving and each of them have their own talents...

okay, I know Aaron's pretty good at singing and music. What about others? Jiro is forever acting as the 'extra' third wheel character, how can we tell if he's a good actor or not? At the most, Wu Chun is mediocre. If you ask me, most of Chun's fans seem to take his ability to act[even if it's mediocre] as a shield when they were told to be liking him for his appearance. I think, the same goes to the rest of FRH.

QUOTE (WuZunEllaCute @ Nov 2 2007 3 55 AM)

i think if they are not talented, why they are still popular???

I'll tell you why, because they are not disfigured and they happen to have the kind of features that most fangirls simply love.

QUOTE (WuZunEllaCute @ Nov 2 2007 3 55 AM)

if you still can't accept the fact they are talented, please don't bash those harsh words coz some of us here are Farenheit's lover...

This is a critics-hangout, and the words used, i see, are not really harsh.

QUOTE (WuZunEllaCute @ Nov 2 2007 3 55 AM)

i just wonder what will you do when u discover about ur favourites artistes being commented like that?? i bet u like it??

Of course no one would LIKE it, but some fans CAN accept, depending on what their idols were being commented about. Like, I wouldn't give a damn if someone says something like, "____(idol) is so ugly! Cannot stand his/her face!" that's too superficial. I would all right with something like, "___(idol)cannot sing well and does not act half as well as he/she sings. Worse still, he/she cannot compose as well. Being an singer-actor, if he/she can't sing and act, he/she does not deserve any fans." All right with it only if it makes sense[like how would you say this person makes sense if i'm referring to is Leehom? for the singing part, i mean], although no one would really LIKE it.

QUOTE (alternateSELF @ Nov 5 2007 5 02 PM)

Fei Lun Hai cannot be considered as newbie anymore so they don't have an excuse if they sang off key for their live performances.

I definitely agree with you on this.

Even if they were still newbies, I think that their excuses are running out. As 'new' as they might be, they had enough practices on their LIVE singing; how about all the autograph singing sessions, prize-giving ceremonies, new year things...and their very own concerts? They had as many, arguably more, experiences as artistes who went into the industry even earlier than them.

QUOTE (alternateSELF @ Nov 5 2007 5 02 PM)

They need to practice more for live performance. Their fans is fine even if they sang off key but its a major turn off to non-fans going to make them dislike the group more.

As many times as they had performed LIVE, i still think they need practices, too, but I bet their fans didn't even notice them going off-key. Otherwise, they'll turn a deaf ear to people saying they sang horribly, insisting that they were good, otherwise, it would be that the sound system is malfunctioning and it had nothing to do with FRH's melodious voice.

WayyliEn

Nov 7 2007 1 06 AM

QUOTE (AyUmIXx @ Nov 6 2007 4 33 PM)

woww a lot of interesting posts on this thread...

i want to know how long FRH can last as a group...
or maybe individual~

i think they'd probably last longer as a group than individually.

individually, i would have to say that wu zun can survive better than the others cause he already has a pretty big fanbase. and all those dramas hes in (even though i don't think hes really good at acting) will most likely help his popularity even more.

they'd survive longer as a group because its basically bringing all the wuzun fans/jiro fans/arron fans/calvin fans together. cause if you were obsessed with...lets say calvin, you'd probably like fahrenheit too because calvins in it, whether the band is good or bad.

oh`retro

Nov 7 2007 3 06 AM

QUOTE (WayyliEn @ Nov 6 2007 7 06 PM)

i think they'd probably last longer as a group than individually.

individually, i would have to say that wu zun can survive better than the others cause he already has a pretty big fanbase. and all those dramas hes in (even though i don't think hes really good at acting) will most likely help his popularity even more.

they'd survive longer as a group because its basically bringing all the wuzun fans/jiro fans/arron fans/calvin fans together. cause if you were obsessed with...lets say calvin, you'd probably like fahrenheit too because calvins in it, whether the band is good or bad.

Yeah, Wu Zun can survive but ONLY if he sticks to acting. Because he can't really sing that good. Then again, his acting is not super good either, but his drama do seem to be pretty popular. And he is hot, so yeah, he can probably survive.

Jiro can probably survive too if he sticks to acting. I mean, he's been in the industry for like 13 years I believe and he was solo back then.

No offense, but I don't think Calvin can survive as much. His acting is okay, but his voice isn't that good. I've seen him sing solo songs on 2 shows and he went soo off tune on both.

And I think Arron has the potential to go solo as a singer. If he gets just a few lessons. Or maybe acting, but I don't know that much about his acting skills. I will have to see after ISWAK2.

01S0ULL

Nov 8 2007 3 01 AM

I agree with some people here. Fans will always say that they are improving but really, if you think more neutrally, they haven't improved much.
Their vocals as a group is seriously very disappointing. And I am not saying that improving isn't good. But when you debut as a boy group that cant even blend well and stay on tune, then thats plain sad...And they weren't like a little off, they were like WHOA off..

I might have to half disagree with the 'people are born to sing' part. It is true that some people are born to sing, but some people actually train real hard for YEARS and then they become great singers.
In FRH's part, they weren't meant to sing except for Arron. And Arron isn't close to great, but he can get there if he really tried. The rest should just step aside and just stick to acting.
Which brings me to the FRH disbanding. I hope that happens soon, no offense. Arron go solo my love <3

WayyliEn

Nov 8 2007 4 35 AM

QUOTE (01S0ULL @ Nov 8 2007 3 01 AM)

I agree with some people here. Fans will always say that they are improving but really, if you think more neutrally, they haven't improved much.
Their vocals as a group is seriously very disappointing. And I am not saying that improving isn't good. But when you debut as a boy group that cant even blend well and stay on tune, then thats plain sad...And they weren't like a little off, they were like WHOA off..

I might have to half disagree with the 'people are born to sing' part. It is true that some people are born to sing, but some people actually train real hard for YEARS and then they become great singers.
In FRH's part, they weren't meant to sing except for Arron. And Arron isn't close to great, but he can get there if he really tried. The rest should just step aside and just stick to acting.
Which brings me to the FRH disbanding. I hope that happens soon, no offense. Arron go solo my love <3

i agree...i don't think their singing is really good, especially since they debuted as a boy band, you'd think their singing would be a lot better. if you compare fahrenheit to good boybands like dbsk (in my opinion, they're good lol), then they are WAY behind. i really just wish they'd spend more time singing than acting.

01S0ULL

Nov 10 2007 5 41 AM

QUOTE (WayyliEn @ Nov 7 2007 10 35 PM)

i agree...i don't think their singing is really good, especially since they debuted as a boy band, you'd think their singing would be a lot better. if you compare fahrenheit to good boybands like dbsk (in my opinion, they're good lol), then they are WAY behind. i really just wish they'd spend more time singing than acting.

LOL . i love your example *cough*DBSK*cough*.
People are gonna say you can't compare those two cause DBSK has been out for 3 years, almost 4 actually. But compare DBSK's debut to FRH. It is still way better. I don't think FRH can do acapella like how DBSK could when they debuted.
ANYWAY...that's not my point...

I'm just saying that FRH is extremely over-rated and that they need EXTREME vocal training if they really wanna be a good boyband. But seriously, everyone knows thats not gonna happen. Especially when the majority of them, meaning, excluding Arron is in their late 20's.....o_O..

DreamingOfVann

Nov 10 2007 7 07 AM

QUOTE (01S0ULL @ Nov 8 2007 3 01 AM)

I agree with some people here. Fans will always say that they are improving but really, if you think more neutrally, they haven't improved much.
Their vocals as a group is seriously very disappointing. And I am not saying that improving isn't good. But when you debut as a boy group that cant even blend well and stay on tune, then thats plain sad...And they weren't like a little off, they were like WHOA off..

Fahrenheit hasn't improved to the point of sounding "fantastic," but they have improved a great deal. For instance, when Fahrenheit first came out Jiro would go off-tune instantly, and his pitch was all over the place. I absolutely love Jiro, but I'm not a deaf idiot. Now though, at least in the recent live performances I've seen, Jiro stays in pitch and in tune for the most part. Honestly, he sounds loads better than he used to, and that's an accomplishment. Arron, Calvin, and Wu Zun have also improved in their own ways. You can really hear it in their new songs. Since Wu Zun's voice is low, airy, and raspy (surprisingly) he's learned to support the group a little. Arron blends everything in because his voice is the richest, and you can also hear Jiro and Calvin helping out.

All of that sounds like "improvement" to me, because they can do a lot more now than they could before. And honestly, it's not the band's fault for not being in tip-top shape when they debut...blame the record label for rushing them and not training them properly.

QUOTE (01S0ULL @ Nov 8 2007 3 01 AM)

I might have to half disagree with the 'people are born to sing' part. It is true that some people are born to sing, but some people actually train real hard for YEARS and then they become great singers.

Yes, some people train hard for years and go on to become wonderful singers, but there's a saying, and it goes like this, "You can't draw water from an empty bucket." Meaning: if there's no potential or talent AT ALL...then what is there to train at? The people who train for years have potential...and that's what their teachers/trainers see and try to draw out. Do you really think a voice coach would be THRILLED to take on a pupil they know has no potential or talent whatsoever? No. It would be a waste of their life.

So yeah...you're either born with it or you're not.
~~~

And I don't know if Wu Zun would be the "survivor" if the group split. His popularity has nose-dived now that the Hana-Kimi craze has winded down. Girls are beginning to see that who they really liked was "Quan" his character, and not him. I like Wu Zun and everything, but the truth is: his personality in real-life is rather boring.

If Fahrenheit spit (which they won't for a while) Arron and Jiro would be the breakout stars.