i reckon some jay chou fans on youtube are a disgrace to the rest of us fans, really give us a bad name *shakes head* they always taunt leehom and jj lin fans. so embarrassing...

CE fans are probably the worst though

QUOTE (Squeeky.Sneekers @ Jun 5 2009 9 25 PM)

i reckon some jay chou fans on youtube are a disgrace to the rest of us fans, really give us a bad name *shakes head* they always taunt leehom and jj lin fans. so embarrassing...

Thank you for coming out and stating this point. They're all talented in their own way, but 'some' fans just make it worse with the already going comparison by the media. And some users on YT are WAY too sensitive. Say one thing wrong or wrong wording and they'll jump at you.

yeah, so agree...jay's fans are so protective and think that their idol is god with no flaw. try to mention jay's weakness on youtube comments, and you'll be attacked terribly by all jay's fans, such as "can you do better?? if can't, then go f*ck yourself" and something like that. the same goes for fahrenheit fans. and a lot of times in JJ and leehom's videos, jay's fans come to their pages and complain that jay is better than them.

Yes, this has happend to me but i will not tell who in case they come and fully spam me with shiet again like what they did to me before...Some stars have really mean fans and supporters.

thanks guys! i just want to say that not ALL Jay Chou fans are like that! actually i think that this is the main reason jay has so many haters, because his fans keep on insulting other artists which makes the OTHER fans mad and start looking for bad qualities in jay.

QUOTE (Squeeky.Sneekers @ Jun 6 2009 2 01 AM)

thanks guys! i just want to say that not ALL Jay Chou fans are like that! actually i think that this is the main reason jay has so many haters, because his fans keep on insulting other artists which makes the OTHER fans mad and start looking for bad qualities in jay.

It's sad to see that people are starting to turn away from the star just because of 'some' fans. I know they're probably just trying to show their support towards their idol but going overboard and bashing others' idols and their fans are not the way to approach it.

Not only bashing other artists, but they praise jay chou like flawless god and i'm irritated with that fans. i met a lot of that typical fans on youtube. it seems like they think jay chou is the only artist who can compose songs and he is so diao, well actually a lot of singers who compose their songs. see, how easily they are fed by media. fahrenheit fans, ermmm whatever, " aaron is so cute!!!!!!" blah blah blah.....

QUOTE (jeffreyhadi @ Jun 6 2009 5 17 AM)

Not only bashing other artists, but they praise jay chou like flawless god and i'm irritated with that fans.

Things like these?

"Jay Chou's voice is mad high. These guys can't even compete with him."

"Jay's WAY better than him."

"If only Jay were to sing this song."

Yes, I stumbled upon quite a load of those but can't remember all comments made. I want to say that I have nothing against Jay, but SOME of his fans - like you and others stated - are just going overboard regarding matters. (I know what you mean with there are other artists out there who could compose very well too. BUT if you dare to point that out, SOME might snarl at you, saying how "Jay's better" and "of more substance than those cheaps words." I forgot which artist those words were directed at in an attempt to discredit him/her but it was quite scary.)

let me quote some more ridiculous comments that jay fans made on youtube video of jay chou and leehom.

"jay is better..the best....
cant !!!!!!! LEEHOM IS GAY 4 LIFE........JAY CHOU IS BETTER 4 ALWAYS AND EVER play piano,play drum.play guitar.make music,make the film,play film...
so great.. "


"JAY CHOU BETTER LA.leehom copy jay one..leehom sucks! jay is the best!"

"dude u must be on crack cause jay chou song r better and he can make many voice but leehom is gay like u jackass"

well, there are more ridiculous comments from jay chou fans on this critics thread comparing jay chou and leehom. i am just lazy to quote it out again. and i cross a lot of comments from jay fans bashing JJ lin, show luo, bi rain and gary cao on youtube.

I hate how some onscreen paring fans say something like "Couple A is the best, couple B, (C, D) is (are) very bad. I only like Couple A" in Couple B's thread. It's couple B's thread. What happen if couple B's fans come to Couple A's thread and say the same thing? No, just because Couple A has more fans and Couple B don't have that many fans.

Actually, I hate fans who are compare somethings too much (such as A is prettier than B, A is more famous than B, A is talented than B, etc.). They have their own love and taste, so do ppl.

BTW, it's my own taste and the artists themselves make me like or not.

1.CE ( a ella and wuchun fanclub who dream of them being lovers)
they make it as though they are really together, i dont like this sort of mad thing.
2.Fe ( a ella-only fanclub)
they bash at hebe for everything and post all sorts of attacks on hebe. For whatever reasons, i dont like this kind of practice. H-only fans also post mean attacks on ella for whatever reasons and for defence.

GuiWang fans...they really really scare me :\
they bash at anyone that is not Gui or Wang
and they really say GuiWang dated as a fact when
it is just a rumor and they start
calling names to others artists, like seriously
I am a couple fans too? cant you just like your own pair
and when there is a new pair, just accept and dont bash?
they even yell at Andy Ge [manger of Channel V] for not
using this pairing -_-;

I also dont like Wang Zi fans because simply over protective
anyone that "do" anything to Wang Zi they just freak?
dont they understand there is something called show effects
on the show, they yell/push or do things to each other
just to make the show funny or better, but they just dont get it
and freak out or bash :\

huh? hmmmm, i was familiar with cassiopoeia as a group; is it not a flower? i for one don't like leon lai's fans, one in particular is gaile lok. i think she is fabulous as a model; i don't like her and leon together. i feel gaile lok was after leon, to oust maggie q and rosemary vandebrouke.

QUOTE (jeffreyhadi @ Jun 6 2009 6 23 AM)

well, there are more ridiculous comments from jay chou fans on this critics thread comparing jay chou and leehom. i am just lazy to quote it out again. and i cross a lot of comments from jay fans bashing JJ lin, show luo, bi rain and gary cao on youtube.

Yes, sounds familiar. I meant from the ones that I read in the past. (Calling 'gay' has nothing to do with their music. And to think they would resort to talk down about a certain artist. )

Talking about Ella vs. Hebe thing (from some fans), I just feel it a bit odd that they keep turning band members against each other or try to compare between them. (Yes, I do that in my own head sometimes and participate in those polls too when I'm bored, but I stopped doing it more and more recently since that was almost like encouraging the behavior.) It is honestly getting out of hand. Aren't they from the same band? You can choose to support just one (that you prefer) but bashing the other members to no end?

I wouldn't really say it is very appropriate to dislike an artist because of their fans, because the behaviour of the fans are really out of the control of the artists.

However I have had a bad experience with some crazed MJ fans. I mean, I am a fan of MJ, but I remember that I joined an MJ forum and was discussing in one of the threads, his looks. I remember going against the crowd and saying objectively, even though he makes great music and is a phenomenal dancer, he currently isn't the greatest looking guy in the world.

I got banned from that forum haha.

MJ? as in michael jackson?....lol

basically sometimes it the fans which are a turn off and it not fair but when u get diss too much u will switch to a target that are unable to defend oneself to you.

guigui fans[that's why i hate guigui very much!!] i want to puched her fans. hahaha

I forgot... hmm...
... oh yeah!

some DBSK fans pissed me off..
I was with my guy friends at this CD shop... we were like laughing our ass off about how gay DBSK looked like (no offense) in one of the album covers we saw.

Then, there were these girls that kept on glancing at us...
I thought it was just because we were noisy... so we moved on and changed the topic...
until one of the girls muttered, "At least they're hotter than you.."
and my friend said, "so she admits they're gay" and then we all chuckled...
then, the other girl was like, "What's your problem?"
"Them." he replied while pointing to the album.

she said something like "FYI <forgot the name> is one of the hottest-- blah blah"...
I replied, "Whoa... Ok. Relax." some of the guys were chuckling...
Her face was so red and the other girls were glaring. "You people are rude." I guess she felt that we were mocking her... i guess we were *shrug*
*sigh* "Mind your own business..."
I think she wanted to slap me or smthng... *shrug*
she walked away...

Lol...

oh and, Jay chou fans too...
scary people T_T

How gay the looked like? Excuse me,but that's really offensive words to use.

Although I had to agree that SOME DBSK fans do get on my nerves, what you and your friends said (and your behaviors) was indeed rude. If you were to say the same thing about my idols, I would be very offended as well.

I don't know what is worse - fans who claimed their idol's superior over another idol (and that artist is actually quite talented) or those who are ignorant of other more talented artists and doing the same thing. Fans who throws facts left and right about a certain artist and would defend that artist to no end because that person is recognized and is actually talented are getting overboard. Just because that artist is talented doesn't mean others are nothing. Their arrogant words and attitude are making other fans frustrated. It's funny that they would jump to defend that artist when others are talking about appearance and how they would come up with 'at least he/she is talented and it makes up for it' while it would be okay to bash another artist who is not as talented and might not be good-looking either. The second type I mentioned is equally as funny as the first one since they lack knowledge about an artist and his or her past works but would jump in to bash anyway regardless. It gets even funnier when fans from both sides go to 'flame wars' with one another. (Using nicely structured sentences or fancy words to make points do not make it objective or true either. We're all biased - more or less depending on the level of obsession on the artist.)

I forgot to mention Fahrenheit fans~!!!

I'm a LeeHom , Jay and S.H.E fan and I saw 2 videos on Youtube of Aaron singing LeeHom and Jay's songs. And many FLH (not all), left comments saying that he sings better than LeeHom or Jay Chou. When I read this, I began to laugh.. haha, seriously, some FRH fans are so delusionals. They think that FLH's singing is so much better than Jay and LeeHom's singing . That is so not true!!

Some fans go way over board. It's like they have to bash other artist just so they can praise their own idols. (Im going to be hated for saying this) Sometimes GuiWang/Gui Gui fans can be very harsh. Though I'm not a Xiao Xun fan myself. Sometimes GuiWang fans can just bash on her really badly! Like they hate her. And sometimes wars against "Couple" Fans are really inappropriete.


Please dont hate me!

^ no what u says is the truth as i saw it with my own eyes and it really make a person to stand back and think.....

but overall some artist are themselves are going overboard with their comments in talkshow....they didnt really think before proceeding and most of their fans will follow

mrs dbsk, mrs suju, mrs frh, wanna be, they need to control their obsessness, like i heard that its very dangerous for a not very popular actresses pairing up with a popular actors, especially if they get like really close in the movie, if the fans doesnt like the pairing, they gonna stalks that actress and beat her up T_T! i heard this usually happens in korea!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! CRAZY!

usually im not a fan of those over popular idol, basically b.c of their fan, and i felt like they has more than enough support from their crazy fan.

that's why chilam is always my idol, he's famous, but i believe he doesnt has any crazy, and that's is not why i'm his fan, IT'S ALL B/C I ADMIRES HIM IN EVERY WAY

^ true chilam is good.....and i actually like him alot....his acting is good and he really bring the characters out ^^

1. Jay fans

"jj is gay lolz"
"leehom only famous for his looks lor"
"he copied chinked out frm jay!"

2. S.H.E

"selina is a sl*tt"
"ella the best!! "
" S.H.E would be better off without Selina."

3. Xiao Zhu

"leehom is a sore loser"
"he should have won the best singer award

4. FRH

"so talented!"
"they're the best!"

Honesty, since when was Xiao Zhu considered a great singer? It's so irritating to witness delusional fan girls literally "worshipping" their idols. I mean CHILL. I still like S.H.E and Jay Chou, though

i agree with all the jay chou's fans thing. i'm a fan of jj lin and leehom, both frequent competitors of jay unfortunately, and everytime i go to some youtube vids of them, there always have to be certain jay fans saying things like "LEEHOM IS GAY! JAY IS THE BEST!" or "JJ IS UGLY AND HAS NO TALENT, CHECK OUT JAY CHOU. HE IS THE BEST."

it's not even any vids comparing jay and whoever. it can just be an mv, or perhaps a vid of their performance which does not freaking involve jay.

but even though he has got a handful of pretty damn annoying fans, i don't really hate jay.

show luo's fans as well. he has gotten more popular nowadays but gained soooo much blind and immature fans (i so much prefer his fans when he wasn't that popular). i agree with kimcrack, since when was show considered a great singer? his fans just have to say he is the best in singing and dancing etc. there used to be a handful of fans who admitted his singing wasn't good, now? probably all overshadowed by his newly gained fans.

i dont know if im being to quick to point fingers at 2ne1 fans but seriously someone has got to tell them to shut-the-hell-up sorta thing. i havent come across it on af, but almost on every other 'koreanish' site ive come across related to 2ne1 their fans are so rude and cocky. 2ne1 are great i like them alot but theyre fans are such a turn off. of course not all, but enough to bang your head on the table after the 539247320471 one starts bashing on other artists from saying crap about how 'untalented' a certain group is to how they 'copied' off 2ne1 style it gets freaking ANNOYING.
2ne1 fans are doing nothing but earning themselves and 2ne1 a bad reputation. 2ne1 are rookies who merely had an experience of 1 year in the industry, id hate to think in the long run when they achieve further sucess how much more of this cocky attitude will get.
if 2ne1 do ever 'trip over' in their career it wouldnt be suprising if other fandoms start kicking dirt up 2ne1 fan's face, cause then theyll no exactly how it feels for other fangroups. rude, disrespectful and discusting. way to go in earning 2ne1 a bad reputation. but despite all of this i still do like 2ne1.

im actually quite happy that af is like almost the only place with the majority of 2ne1 fans are humble and respectful.

2NE1 - everywhere is comparison b/w other girlgroup, and how some fans said that b/c of 2ne1 other girlgroup are maturing or going for sexy concept
SNSD - some fans just liked to bash other girlgroup, like one time i read something about when snsd won an award for Gee, they went to another girlgroup(not gonna name which group, but yall can probably tell) fancafe and started to rubbing it, now their fan are sayin they started the cute image, and the mature concept

Hands down DBSK fans are flippin' crazy! I'm a fan, I love their music, they are very talented for a manufactured group but their hard core fans got issues They will attack anyone and I mean ANYONE that even looks at their precious boys the wrong way. To them, their boys can do no wrong. If one of the guys stabbed someone, their fans would be like, "That's ok, that knife needed sharpening anyways" They are seriously smokin too much TVXQ ass fumes. I can probably guarantee I'll get some hater comments on this

People that loves TAIWANese celebrities are rude. I'm one of them last time , but now not x.x

QUOTE (SoEulisLOVEDDD @ Aug 4 2009 2 08 AM)

People that loves TAIWANese celebrities are rude. I'm one of them last time , but now not x.x

I used to think otherwise but I totally see your point now. Not to generalize but seriously, it's getting out of hand. Some of them claiming to be 'straight-forward' or 'speaking the truth' but it's just their opinions so they force others into their thinking just because the majority says so. But I think that there are still some nice fans out there so hope you won't lose faith on that.

fans get really crazy for their idols....
i'm a FRH fan...but i'm not delusional..lol..
i know they're not really THAT talented..but i still like them all the same..
but i don't treat them as Gods like so many fans of different artists...
and that's so true about DBSK..it's like if you say one bad word about them they'll go gaga!!!
i mean seriously..those guys can really scare you.
and about 2NE1 fans too..they say that those girls are the hottest ever..they're great at everything..etc...
i mean,yah they're okay...but NOT GREAT & PERFECT...like all of them say...
and sometimes fans bash on each other especially their idols biggest competitors...
and every time their idol wins an award or something they're like "he deserves this,no doubt!;he's the greatest ever!!"..etc...know what i mean???
oh and some even cry when they see their idols..
like touching their clothes can make them miraculously healed or something...
trust me on that..i've seen many..

Some fans are too sensitive sometimes. Some can't accept that might have someone tat dun like their idols. Some others can't accept that idols aren't angels or god.

But sometimes there are fans who do not realize that themselves are doing the exact same thing as those fans are doing for their idol.

Some 2NE1 fans are getting on my nerves.
Pretty much on any girlgroup video i watch theres atleast
one comment on how 2NE1 is better, like seriously?
ex : Kara - Again and Again, some were saying how much
fiercer 2ne1 would be and that Kara voice sounded bad.
How would they know? 2ne1 didnt perform it.
- BEG won no.1 and a few were complaining where 2ne1 was?
and that they would of won if they didnt already get the triple crown.
okay they got it, so moving onto a new group!
- was on a few snsd and wg videos and there were fans saying how
2ne1 is kicking their butt and that those 2 were not talented!
Seriously all girlgroups have talent!
wow, i've had alot of problems with some 2ne1 fans LOL!

2ne1 is an awesome group but some of their fans are really
bothering me.

Before, I was so piss off on those Hebe and WuSa fans..
That's why I'm starting to hate those artists too..
but then again I didn't bash them.. that's why, I feel more
and more annoyed w/ those people.
But now, it's not the same way before.hihi.

i dont really like ella's fans, well some of them maybe. They keep on saying that ella is the most popular..best in s.h.e and that hebe and selina can't continue without ella, and ella only continue being in s.h.e because she is kind-hearted etc. That isnt true.

Paramore - Went to No Doubt's concert. Paramore had just ended their set (may I add that I couldn't hear throughout most of it because the amps were up so damn high?) and I think half the crowd went out for a break before ND came on. I stayed and heard one of Paramore's fans say : "What's the next band called, No (something)?I bet they suck." Prejudging the main act? Cocky. Outside of that unpleasant part of a great night, their fans online don't fare that well either. They still think they're gods (though every artist has that type of fan) and most seem to fail to defend their idols.

*I could be a little biased at this, seeing that I think their music is generic and forgettable.

Oh, dear, there are just some SNSD fans that I really can't stand. [The keyword being "some"]

Anyone ever visited this anti SNSD haters thread? Its pointless and horrible[Its an old group but just thought it would be nice to share anyway].

http://www.crunchyroll.com/group/Anti_SNSD_Killer!

Someone who would "worship" their idols to this stage is just plain sad. They are willing to bash anyone who hates their idol just because of a differing opinion.

To me, I don't see why they bother. Its just making them look foolish and mad. They should accept the fact that their idol isn't flawless. In fact, no one is. And that's reality.

^ OMO a group?!

OH YEAH SOME SNSD FANS I agree.

I still can't stop remembering the incident on dream concert last year, when they stab ELFs, Cassies and Triple S. and also when they rape them? o_O and also teared up the banners GYAH. I feel like their actions are very inappropriate but I know not all are like that, that time was just crazy fanboys..

and SNSD didn't apologised for it. even TaeYon said "great cheer" or sth. wow. i still can't forget it.

I'm not an anti SNSD. just my opinion



WOW. I mean, SuJu fans too? ELFs? I thought SuJu fans are the most well behaved in what way? I'm just curious cause It's maybe my first time seeing some ppl do not like ELFs (:


OMG They really said that?
wow that's rude. The way they said Kara voice sounded bad is too over. Kara is a talented girlband. and more importantly, SENIOR compared to 2NE1.
I agree 2ne1 is awesome.

Their fans are too overboard for always bashing another idol I just saw those fans who said that

You LOVE your idols, then love them. You can say all you like about them, for all I care. But please don't put down other artistes just to make yours better. Am not referring to anyone in particular, but rather, everyone as a whole. There will always be opinions that people who agree and disagree with, but you have to understand that everyone is entitled to their own opinions and preferences.

It's a war that will never end.

I highly doubt the raping part. Sounds like some bs made up by a crazy SNSD hater. And it hasn't even been proven.

And to be fair, ELF, Cass, and Triple S didn't exactly treat SNSD nicely either with their whole silence thing. And there are some reports of them harassing SNSD fans too. So don't make it sound like ELF, Cass, and Triple S are victims. SOnes shouldn't have retaliated, but they weren't the only ones attacking. Both sides were at fault.

http://asianfanatics.net/forum/SNSD-Boycot...talk549151.html



From what I remember, Kangin was on a show (Star King?) and one of the girls took a pic with him backstage. She posted it online and a bunch of ELFs started attacking her on her CYworld, and she committed suicide a few days later.

umm. thanks to your reply to my reply =)

I agree all of them hasn't been proven. But u know, sometimes a person may think a little bit more. like when they all tearing up SuJu's poster, even in the middle of SuJu performance, stepping on them, it made the ELFs really mad at first. plus, The way Tiffany said SNSD one and SuJu isn't one, I believe, made many fans around the world pissed. and also, from the way Tiffany stare at JungMin one time, had also made Triple S mad. and Jessica didn't call Jae "sunbae". I agree It is wrong for them to boycott SNSD, even SungMin despite what SOSHIs has done, he still say to forgive them as they cared about him alot, and they're in one family, which is SMTown. Even the artist himself understand how his fans suffered and many fans are pissed while Tifanny said "We're not like SuperJunior, divided into different groups, we're one" sometimes a fan can be pissed too right?

but I think, compared to broken legs of girls, banded heads in the hospitals ( these are the ones that have been proven) it is nothing.

and SNSD didn't even apologised . They even see it was a great cheer. even sungmin asked ELFs not to boycott and TaeYeon said that?

and about the girl.. I think it was said that she had a lot of problem before."She had suffered from depression over the stress of weight control" that's what her mom said. Yes ELFs maybe is kinda wrong for being too obsessed and afraid their idol for marrying them, and treating them like Gods. so, the ELFs aren't the main reason she suicided.a nd I guess since her death, all these fans has stop their craziness.

I'm not against ur point of it's both of the group's wrong. just maybe an opinion sorry if I offended u in anyway ok? (:

Mostly kpop artists and Korean actors and actresses. I am not really a hater of Kpop or Kdrama. but the K-fans pisses me off. For example I dislike Boys Over Flowers (not really a hater but not a fan) I gave my opinions about the show. And I was surprised when I saw their childish comments like "YOU ARE JUST JEALOUS". because BOF is very popular and etc.

Or DBSK as an example of Kpop, if you will give a single negative comment. Expect a lots of stones thrown to you. (like DBSK members are also humans and they have flaws).

that's it.

Most of the time, I try to like or dislike an artist just for his works or himself and not because of their fans. But I'm human too, and even if I at first have a neutral feeling to an artist, every time I see one or plural overboard fan of the artist, especially fans who put down other artists just to make their idol better, my dislike to him raises a little.

The perfect example is Hebe. I was very neutral to her, I didn't notice her presence in SHE. And when I became to notice her, it was because their fans bashing other artists on youtube. I mean come on, Hebe my be perfect in your eyes but not in everyone eyes, why do you need to say other is fake or anything, you don't even know her ! Worst than that, creating a channel just to bash. OMG, it's totally pathetic and absurd !
It goes the same way with Ella's fans, I'm now afraid of SHE's fans. They don't seem reasonable enough.

The almost perfect example is Xiao Xun. I kind of thanking her for spilling out the things about GuiLun's ambiguous relationship. I don't count myself as Gui Gui's fan, but seeing her being bashed is really painful. I mean come on, she has the right to lead her life as she wants, to do what pleases her. I pity the girl, what Gui Gui really did or does to deserve it. Thanks to Xiao Xun's immature fans, I start to dislike her now.

Ever since a became a KAT-TUN fan, there's 1 member's fans I've found to be particularly annoying, and they are Jin fans.
Not all, but SOME of them can be really irritating, some of their behaviors & antics are just unacceptable & rude. For example, a lot of the hardcore Jin fans actually dislike Kame very much, and often they would do extreme things to hurt Kame...if I remember correctly, once in 2007 when KAT-TUN were at a function of some sort (can't recall what specifically)...when Kame spoke, a group of hardcore Jin fans yelled at him & basically told him to "shut up!", which was so rude & disrespectful, and totally uncalled for! understandably, Kame was really upset & hurt.
Another incident happened during 1 of KT's concerts...when Kame went on the stage to perform a solo, some haters hurled abuse at him, telling him to get off the stage etc...I found out later on that some of those haters were hardcore Jin fans.
What's even more ridiculous is that some of these hardcore Jin fans "hate" Kame so much that they even attempted at "re-creating" KT's history, by fabricating all these stupid lies about Kame & KT as whole, making up stupid nonsense like Kame "has never gotten along with the other members", or "Kame is distancing himself from the others" or "the other members actually never liked him in real-life" etc & other ridiculous bullsh*t like that basically fabricating stupid nonsense by singling out Kame, and trying to push him out of the group. Which, they can just dream on, because Kame is a crucial part of KT & without him, KT will NOT be the same, and those anti-Kame hardcore Jin fans will just have to bravely accept that fact.
Many of the other outrageous anti-Kame antics were also carried out by extreme Jin fans, who dislike Kame very much. Their antics are just so immature & despicable

Of course, NOT all Jin fans are like that...there's still many other Jin fans out there who are more mature, reasonable & friendly. But the extreme of Jin fans, those who "hate" Kame, can be very nasty indeed...and being such a big fan of Kame myself, their immature actions really frustrates me sometimes
And what's even more upsetting is that these Jin fans are also from the same fandom as me, we're all KT fans, so we should all be joining forces & show our support & love for the group & its 6 wonderful members who define KT! Usually it is like that...but this whole "anti-Kame" business with Jin extremists within the fandom is really distressing.
Although there are also some Kame fans out there who don't like Jin either...but I seldom hear about Kame fans hurling abuse or resort to personal attacks on Jin...or trying to "re-create" KT's history by singling out Jin...so why are those Jin extremists acting so irrationally towards Kame? He hasn't done anything wrong to deserve this kind of treatment!

Another thing I don't like about some Jin fans is that they tend to think so highly of Jin...of course, it's normal for any fan to praise their idol...but the problem with some of these hardcore Jin fans is that they over-rate Jin so much so that, to them, they believe that he is the "best", that without him, the group would just not work...or that he is the "only worthwhile" member in KT...and that, to me, is really going too far!
Yes, I admit that Jin is a crucial part of the group, without him, KT would not work...but it's the SAME case with the other members too! Without either of the other members, the group would just NOT be the same! KT is NOT just about Jin! It's about ALL the 6 members; Koki, Kame, Maru, Ueda, Junno AND Jin! They are all different, but EACH are a crucial part of the group, it's ALL 6 of these guys & their individualities which defines 'KAT-TUN'! Jin needs the group, and the group needs him, KT needs ALL 6 of its members in order to thrive, and those Jin fans need to accept that fact!

I have also noticed that often some Jin fans don't really appreciate the other 5 members much & all the hard work these guys have put into pleasing & entertaining us fans. To them, it's all about Jin, Jin, JIN...their main focus is always on him...without him, these fans wouldn't even give the others a 2nd glance, which is really bias of them I think.
For instance, lately Jin has been absent from recordings of the group's TV show 'Cartoon KAT-TUN' due to illness, and was not present in the last 2 eps aired, and it seems like he's absent for next week's ep too...but because of Jin's absence in recent eps, many of his fans in Japan complained that it's "boring" without him & didn't bother to tune it, thus the ratings dropped to very low for the show. This really irritated me when I found out I have streamed the recent eps & I did not find them "boring" at all, in fact, I really enjoyed those eps, the guys were very funny & acting like always, the eps were very entertaining, and the vast majority of other KT fans who've watched those eps all agree with me & they all enjoyed them too.
I suspect those Jin fans didn't want to watch those eps just purely because Jin wasn't there...which I think is very bias to the other 5 guys, because the drop of ratings effects them. Even with Jin's absence, the show must go on, and all the other 5 guys had worked so hard to keep the show entertaining & pleasing for their fans. But those Jin fans just couldn't be bothered to give them a chance
Frankly speaking...I personally don't really pay much attention to Jin on CTKT, since he doesn't really do much at all on the show...except when he's on 1 of those on-location shootings...so to be perfectly honest, Jin's absence from recent eps did not effect me at all.
HOWEVER, if 1 of my fav KT members were to be absent from a ep, I would still watch it, for the other guys' sake...since I acknowledge all the effort these guys put into for every shooting of each ep & I appreciate all their hard work. So I would still tune in to watch, even with my fav members missing.
Of course, I'm not expecting those Jin fans to like all the other 5 members or to watch every single ep of CTKT...all I want is for them to just at least appreciate the other members more & acknowledge all the efforts they've ALL put into their work & their great dedication to their fans.

I don't dislike Jin, and I certainly do NOT "blame" him for his fans' actions...after all, these celebs cannot control & are not responsible for their fans' actions. And I know that Jin himself is often upset & disappointed with his own fans' actions...back in '07 during that incident, after his fans hurled abuse at Kame, Jin told those fans to "shut up!" too, obviously very upset & annoyed with his own fans' behavior. I guess that could spark a debate about whether or not what Jin said to his fans then was appropriate...but I can understand how he must have felt at the time. I mean, if I was in his position, and seeing my bandmate being treated so disrespectfully by my own fans, I would be really frustrated, annoyed & disappointed with them too.

Lastly...I am aware that a few fans of some of the other KT members also behave rather similarly to those irrational Jin fans...but they, in comparison, are not nearly as extreme as those hardcore Jin fans I've came across...and not nearly as many either.

Remember, I'm simply referring to those irrational Jin fans, and NOT "all" Jin fans in general...so I hope there won't be any misunderstandings...I do apologize if I had offended any Jin fans out there though.

hate is a very strong word for me ..I never hate artiste because of their fans but I admit sometimes fans' behaviour may make me slightly dislike the artiste , not hate..however , I must say that I actually definitely dislike fake fans ..what I mean is , for example , fans that said they don't dislike nor they like this artiste in one thread , but in another thread or perhaps in some other threads , I find the same fans actually bashed the particular artiste..aha..this kind of fans really annoy me a lot .. .