I still don't understand why people call Jiro vain. Honestly, I don't. I think "very self-conscious" is a better way to describe him. Being "vain" includes arrogance, and I don't think Jiro has a conceited bone in his hot body.

I actually think Calvin is the most self-conscious member in the group, and there is alarming proof.

jaki
Oh hello! Kay. First of all, you think that Jiro is not good-looking? Well okay, different people sure have different tastes, and I respect your opinion.(actually I think he's really cute. and hawwt)
But---Do you dislike Jiro just because you feel that he's not good-looking at all? Is that the only reason why you dislike JIro? You may wanna answer these questions first before I go on further! Thank you so much.

I don't necessarily think that's true.




There's an example of Jiro with no make-up or airbrushing whatsoever, and a picture with him all made-up and airbrushed intensely.

He looks the same to me in both pictures, and I don't feel he is hiding his face.

I understand what you're saying though. In some pictures his eyeliner and lipgloss stands out way too much.

WHO SAID JIRO IS NOT SO GOOD-LOOKING !!!
JIRO IS THE HOTTEST AND MOST GOOD-LOOKING GUY IN THE WORLD! how can you hate a person just based on their looks...that's just low, isn't it?


1. I hate it when people only judge him by the characters he play from series and dramas...these people might wanna do some research.

2.It's not snatching attention...AND it's not intentional...it's just how he expresses himself. Now if he were to go on a show and say "I THINK I'M THE HOTTEST GUY IN THE WORLD"...THAT would be considered being an attention snatcher.

3.THAT'S NOT STUPID...He's just forgiving...besides, if he's stupid then all the people in the world would be stupid also because everyone's blinded by "love"

I hate it when people judge Jiro without even giving him a chance

No, it's the makeup artist.
I personally think that the reason Jiro is CURRENTLY using a lot of makeup is to try to hide how tired he is. I think... that he shouldn't do that. I mean, if he's tired.. I want to know he's tired. Jiro's being overworked! No other explanation I can think up of..

And that's what I mean too. In some pictures, the eyeliner is waaay over used. They're so obvious in some pictures, like in FRH's photo album? That's a good example where Jiro's makeup level is a bit heavy.

And I know you love that picture of him, DoV.

lmao . DreamingOfVann i dont' think that LittleDevil meant anything bad by that . cuz she was just trying to find a flaw in him

to me he's the most adorable-est guy on earth !! you just goottta love hiM ! he's so adorable .
when he "snatches" attention . i can see everyone in fahrenheit doing that . well . maybe arron's the least . but everyone tends to do it but when he does it . i think he's just playing around . not to be "conceited" or anything .
and i agree . his gf is like ugh . but jiro's so cuute ! he's so forgiving and soft-hearted
but , as a fan, i don't know what she 'd do if they get back together . for all i know she might be getting back with him just cuz he's famous now -_______- and if that's true . ugh . i'm gonna fly all the way to tawain and do "inappropriate" things to her
i dont' think he's annoying at all . and that's just my opinion some . people may think he's annoying but to me . that's just his way of being cuute ! && i think it's really shallow to judge someone based on their character :X
butt we can see that he's not (or at least to me) annoying at all in his promo clips or any jiro related clip at all !


but . overall . JIRO'S THE BEST !! <333 he's just adorkable ! <-- good way

yeaa. They don't even want to give him a chance. They judge him from only one angle. I mean, if Jiro's unlucky, the Jiro-haters may see a negative point of Jiro. Well, everyone's not perfect, right? But I think people should give a second chance, at least. You can judge him from just seeing him one time.

i heart jiro!! there isn't really much you could dislike about him really... except... well, he's a bit vain =P but still, he's the poorest out of fahrenheit and you kinda get the the impression that the rest of fahrenheit aren't too bothered whereas Jiro is so damn nice! I saw them at a backstage thing and Jiro was the only one that noticed me =P *sniff* lol used to like wu chun but jiro so much nicer =P

But then, think about it... as being fans, we have to accomodate with what the critics say too! Of course.. we don't want to, but we have to face them. At least Jiro faces them, and he doesn't cry over them. Jiro's so strong....

However, you are correct. For Jiro dislikers, please understand Jiro first before you come here and say things like he's not talented and caring.. because he really is. He works so hard for his mother, and look at his acting skills. Isn't that talent? You can't really find an actor that's so dedicated and so into something. I mean, he's working even when he's ill and tired. If you say that he can't sing... well, at least he tries.

I love Jiro. But I don't think he can sing. His singing voice doesn't bother me. It's just that I have no feelings when I hear him sing. When I hear Arron's voice, I feel relaxed. But let's not talk about that right now. In my group of friends, all of them like Chun. Personally, I prefer Jiro over him (but Chun fans, don't get me wrong, the degrees of fondness that I have for FRH vary from member to member). Jiro's smile is contagious. I like how when he smiles, he looks like a little kid who's really happy about something. And he's gone through so many hardships - the loss of his father, working on a construction site, getting into showbiz, taking care of his mother. He's so hardworking that I seem to hear about him getting sick all the time. I respect him as an idol.

As for how he overacts - I believe that he does that on screen to keep the audience entertained. From the shows that I've seen, I can tell that he's really into his job and that if the time requires it, he would be willing to act silly just to make the audience laugh. So yes, he is professional.

Maybe those who think that Jiro is too comical and overacts...or, in other words, just like Jin Xiu Yi - they should really get away from his dramas and watch the variety shows that feature him. I think that would give them a better understanding of Jiro.

IMO , i don't think that jiro can't sing . i think in fahrenheit he may not be the best , but he's not the worst . ( not that anyone in fahrenheit is bad at singing ) buttt , i think that jiro has a special, unique voice . a voice that not a lot of many other people has && that's why i think his voice is soo special <3

idk about other people , but when i watch the entertainment shows with fahrenheit , i'd be so bored if all of them were just not overreacting . i think jiro livens up the whole show with his humor & overreactness && i know that he's only doing it for those who are watching cuhz he wants to entertain us <3 and that's soo cute butt , i read somewhere that jiro isn't always like how we see him on those shows . he can be serious when he needs to && very caring :]

starfruit~~ thanks for sharing that with us ! i hope that those who dislikes jiro can read what you said & realize how friendly & caring jiro is he cares A LOT about his fans . && he was so touched at how many fans came to fahrenheit's last even thing . that he cried !

overall , i just love jiro ! he's just soo awesome & caring for his fans

Oh yeah..haha.. I was just saying it to people who just judge him based on his characters in series..haha...like my cousins don't like his so-called "annoying" character in ISWAK and hana kimi...and that becomes the reason why they don't like him.

yep yep agree with what you say.


Really? haha..I LOVE his voice...that's one of the reason why I love him so much. It's also the reason why I notice him...but yep, Aaron has a good voice too. and Calvin.....chun..um..he's okay

Starfruit: haha...I love your signature *offtopic*

NOPE theres nothing wrong with him..WHO CAN HATE HIM he is so damn cute and so caring for his family.

How can anyone dislike Jiro, seriously? =/ His acting skills are good, and his singing, though not the best, but improving and not so nasal-ish now. Think before you say he likes to steal the spotlight. He is a person who tends to get really high during performances and sometimes tends to do some big actions. And people call him attention seeker =/. They usually think that Jiro is JinXiuYi, onscreen and offscreen. But NO. Fahrenheit members said that Jiro has the biggest difference onstage, and off. He is really quiet and serious offstage. So stop saying he is childish or what so ever.

Get to learn more about Jiro before saying whatever he is not. (:

This may be another reason why people don't quite like Jiro.

This was during Hebe's birthday surprise (trick, actually) in 2002. At the end, Jiro practically slammed the present (I think) onto Hebe's head.. bad attitude, or what?

That was just prank right? =/ Hahaha, i'm sure that even Hebe doesn't mind. ><
I've no idea whether that was purposely or not, but ohwell... they look cute together though.

I doubt this is one of the reasons why people dislike Jiro. It's mainly because he is an 'attention seeker', 'bad singer' etc. @_________@ I think so?

Hebe's fine with it now, so I don't think it's much of an issue at all.
It was originally a prank, right. But Jiro was supposed to hit the book on Hebe's feet, not her head! That's what got people into thinking something about Jiro.

But this is minor. People mainly say that Jiro's someone who wants all the fame. So not true. He's lived withWuZun taking over as the male lead, has he not? And Jiro's hardly ever arrogant.

LOL , people who take what he did to hebe seriously should realize that it was just a joke & it just shows how close he & his friends are ! i've read a fahrenheit interview where the reporter asked who's the most emotional out of the group . and everyone said arron & jiro that's soo cute !
i think he just likes to joke around & i don't think that he like really " slammed " it . it just looks like a slam , but he did it softly ? that's the jiro that i know
as for people disliking him as the " attention whore " or w/e . i think that's so not true . it may look like he's always hogging the camera or w/e when it's a fahrenheit interview , but EVERYONE in fahrenheit does this . ( maybe not arron ? ) butt , i don't think it makes jiro an " attention seeeker " cuhz , when he does this , he's always joking around with them & stuff ! plus , wu chun takes hana kimi lead , & if jiro was seeking attention he'd go complain to the manager or something to give him the main lead . overall , jiro's just a really good friend ( IMO ) and i doubt he'll ever do something like backstabbing his friend or steal attention . cuhz , i know jiro's a good guy

QUOTE (*Angela* @ Mar 3 2008 2 04 AM)

Hebe's fine with it now, so I don't think it's much of an issue at all.
It was originally a prank, right. But Jiro was supposed to hit the book on Hebe's feet, not her head! That's what got people into thinking something about Jiro.

But this is minor. People mainly say that Jiro's someone who wants all the fame. So not true. He's lived withWuZun taking over as the male lead, has he not? And Jiro's hardly ever arrogant.

I didn't even know that was Jiro when I first watched the clip. I didn't have much feeling about it (not because I didn't care about Hebe), but I felt that he was just doing this as a trick. I didn't even realise whether he was asked to slam the book on her head or her feet.

But then, I used to be such a huge Jiro+Hebe shipper...

I think very few people actually watched that clip? I mean, it was quite long ago and Jiro was hardly famous that time. People would probably think less of what he did back then.

No, Jiro is not a camera-whore. But if people want to perceive it that way, then let them be. Sometimes what celebrities do on-screen could be mistaken negatively; I'm sure Jiro is aware of that when he first got into the industry. The place is cruel!

^^ jiro is so not a camera whore ! i agree . but it's always entertaining if he's playing around and stuff !

oh how i wish he was a camera whore , my comp would be filled with his pictures !

LMAO...AGREE WITH YOU! If Jiro was a camera whore, my world would be so perfect! I'd watch their shows everyday!

He's such a sweet and lovable guy....there's more to like about him everyday.

aside from being a super junior fan, Ahemm! I also loved (or liked either ) Jiro wang. I find his personality cute (face down to his attitude.)

I find him irritating in ISWAK, but I started to like him at Hana Kimi (taiwan)

i think im starting to like him now.
well before actually im only focused on Arron but now Jiro is catching my attention. He is a decent actor compared to another member[you know who im talking] and i personally think his acting is not stiff.

I think theres nothing wrong with being a camwhore well camwhore for me means he/she likes taking pics of himself and i dont see anything wrong with that.

i LOVE his acting so much..&& i support Fahrenheit as a whole & individual..Jiro is like one of the best actor i have ever watch. His acting skills are truly amazing..i watched all his drama he ever acted in & i have to say..i love it all..espically hana-kimi, ko one & x-family. In hana-kimi i love it how he is mostly clueless with the things going around him..hehe..ko-one he was cool & funny...&& in x-family..whoaa...hottie there..hahha..i just love him

oh my god.. i LOVE jiro
can anyone tell me..
whats not to like about this guy?
hes PERFECT!

hehe , looks to me like this isn't even a jiro critics thread .
but moree like a second version of jiro's fans xD
but i totally agree . what's not to like about jiro ? i can't
find one bad point about him ! he's like the closest thing
to perfect !! or he is perfection you just gotta
love him

Actually, I feel that the more you stay away and don't watch an artist and get into them as much, the more flaws and imperfections you can find in them. Of course I still like Jiro, but there are things that are NOTICED when you don't have the time to pay attention to them as much.

I used to like Jiro's singing the best in FRH, but now that I realize it, I only liked it best after the TXF OST solo he had. I admit that Zai Shui Yi Fang was his song, and only a few ppl can sing it that well, BUT his singing can obviously do with a lot of improvement. I note that since TXF OST --> Shuang Mian Fei Lun Hai he hasn't improved at all. I highly doubt my hig hexpectations that I had in Jiro as a singer now. =(

Acting, of course, he's just perfect =P

I love his acting
It's probably because he has so many different expressions which he can deliver that can captivate people.

He's absolutely hot!
For some reasons, you cant judge his appearance from diff. shows as an idiot, cause that's what the script says; He's only acting.

I first love him as a jin. And now, i love all his roles.

Let's just love Jiro the way he are.

YATTA!baby...~

jolenee
i agree ! lovee the amount of different facial expressions he has
when he acts ! that's what draws me into the drama when he's the
main character !! and i guess that's how he also got the title of
POSE KING too

well, i find it really shallow for people to just judge jiro based on his characters .
but that just proves how he's such a talented actor right ? to the point where people
dislikes him because he made them believe he was actually that type of person ..
but if you actually got to know the real jiro . he's just soo lovablee ! and i mean .
you can find flaws within him .. but the things he does just makes it up & makes you
love him even more ! and the fact that he's so hardworking & loves his mom
leaves me in awe

Lol at that; especially the 'loves his mom' part.

In this world, there's actually a lot of hardworking people who love their mom.
but I kind of get the gist of what you mean, since some celebrities display themselves as very independent and distant from their family.

Hah . But it's great to know that Jiro is filial.

When I saw these thread, my heart was about to weep. Criticing Jiro? Jiro is too perfect!! There's nothing to critic about!! I read every post here, and I do recall some people hate on Jiro for those reasons that you guys mentioned, but as you guys rebutted, they haters are basing way too much from their the personality of the character roles. ~_~ Jiro is fantastic!

yes! I love jiro! haha..and nothing anyone say can change my opinion about him! he's so filial and persistent and hard working...and yeah, there are so many people out there who are like that...but what can you expect for us to say. I mean, a lot of people if you ask them why they like the other person, immediately they'll say "He/she's nice". There is not one quality that only applies to ONLY ONE SINGLE PERSON ON EARTH...so it's acceptable to love Jiro as the filial and hard working son he is!

There's always some unspeakable quality that draws people to other people, but since that quality is a little abstract...I guess we can only use words that we are limitted to to describe our loveable Jiro!

The Lone Moon
haha . there are a lot more fans here than people who dislikes jiro .
but those who dislikes him haven't seen the real jiro & just basing their
dislikeness on his characters . which i find pathetic .. because jiro's just
soo awesome ! haha , and this is more like a second jiro fan thread now xDD

Iyai2
LOL . i agree with everything you said !! but i mean to truthfully explain why you like jiro .
i think we can form a whole book with his fans ! the list just goes on and on ! the thing
is that he loves to interact with his fans & his whole goal out of acting in a drama is to make
us (fans) happy ! plus, he LOVESS his mom and he's like a momma's boy (in a good way!) not too many celebrities actually want their mom around anymore but i find jiro doing this soo cute and sweet

it's great that he's a filial son and good actor

but I'm beginning to dislike him... as I'm rewatching the Blackie show feat. the Hana Kimi cast... I was quite disgusted when he did all sorts of things just to get more air-time

in recent clips... he's too much of a poseur I feel... I used to think he's the stylish one in Frh, but sometimes I feel rather disgusted by his actions to make himself stand-out

no offense, fans, but i reckon hes da one i dislyk da most in fahrenheit, i dun really hte him just dislyk him da most in the band becoz i find him too much of an attention seeker, dun some of you guys reckon??
im shows i see him, he always add stuff(when its not even funny) and tries to stand out alot, which i hate, but yea, its charming and cute dat is good to his parents and friends...

personal opinions here...

lol, its funny, this is meant to be a critics thread, but everyone here, is a fan of jiro, so weird??

I get what you mean. From what I've observed, Jiro's 'vanity' is quite alright in my opinion. It's good enough that he is innocuous in getting attention, and not doing harmful things. Well, I could think of worse artists who do that.

Personally, I have a view on why he somehow acts a little attention-seeking. If I'm not mistaken, Jiro has been in the industry for a longer time than the other three of Fahrenheit members. I remember he was there already when F.I.R. released one of their MVs (I think it's Fly Away). That was quite a long time back then. However, after he debuted with Fahrenheit, the rest of the members, especially Wu Zun, boosted to fame so immensely. I'm not trying to imply that Jiro is jealous of Wu Zun or what, but sometimes a tiny pang of envy must have been there. Jiro spent such a long time and hard work in bringing up himself and his popularity rises in a slower rate than Wu Zun's. It probably could explain why he might want a little more attention to himself.

Or else, Jiro is just like that all his life. That's just how his personality is.

Well, just a little of my two cents and how I see the case.

actually surprised when i found this.
there are Jiro dislikers??????????? geeeezzzzzzzzzz...
Jiro is Hot and talented!!
acting wise...jiro is soooo great at it..
y'know, i'm not a fan of FRH.. ..only the sole JIRO..

well i'm a fahrenheit lover, but the person i like least is jiro.
not that i dislike him or anything, just that he doesn't attract much of my attention.

well the first person i got to know from fahrenheit is also jiro.
the think i didn't like about him are his overrated reactions. i know in most shows like the x family and all he's acting, but i don't like him doing that. hahaha not his fault i know, but those actions are what he does on air too, sometimes.

but i must say he's not a bad rapper. and one of the best vocalists in fahrenheit.

I don't think that Jiro is an attention seeker at all. It's just how he expresses himself, it's not something intentional. He knows how to play around and joke and be jolly....that's why I never get bored watching him.

In my opinion, even if Jiro doesn't do anything, he always stands out to me. In real life, his characters in dramas and himself are pretty different. He is pretty sweet and, at times, mature when he has to be.
*heartjiro**

jiro seems like he 's an attention seeker .
but to me i think everyone in fahrenhet (not arron really) seems to seek attention on
the variety shows . mostly it's just because they're really talkative . but if we were to
ask someone who has no preference about fahrenheit . i think they wouldn't even
mention someone as an attention seeker because i think that jiro, wu chun, and calvin
are just really talkative on air .. but of course if you dislike jiro for being an "attention seeker"
then that's your opinion i don't really mind . but as an artist you always want to entertain
the fans and i think that's what jiro's trying to do . he believes that he's entertaining us with
what he does .. and i just enjoy what he does . but if you watch more fahrneheit stuff .
jiro rarely gets the spotlight anymore .. there are times where he's just standing there and
chun or calvin does all the talking . and it's not like every time you see fahrenheit jiro's there
stealing the spotlight .. not at all , there are times where jiro jokes around & is extremely happy but other times where he's quiet .. so i don't think he is an attention seeker at all
because if you're someone who seeks attention then you'd be doing it ALL the time . and that's just his personality . his only goal is to entertain us

To be honest, I like Jiro less and less the more I find out about him. But I think that it won't get to the point when I actually dislike him, because there are just way too many positive and likeable things about Jiro in order for me to actually start bashing him. BUT there are things about Jiro that bother me.. and the ppl around him, what they do to him.

And I know what I'm going to say is going to be defended by his fans, but I'm expecting that completely... after all it is normal for fans to defend their idols.

1. He's not that happy in Fahrenheit.
Can't you notice it? Come on, OPEN YOUR EYES. I notice that he's extremely uncomfortable around Wu Zun. He seems to be a little far from Calvin too. Only Arron seems to be a little bit closer with him, someone he can trust. Because if you notice he suddenly gets more and more quiet whenever WuZun comes by. Even Calvin, he gets a little quiet. (but he's never quiet around Arron lah...).
I'm not saying that being quiet means he's not happy. But surely it sounds like there's something that he doesn't really appreciate about being in the group? He seems to be tired of being the same here, the same there... maybe he wants some change.
I personally think that DISOWNING Jiro is horrible, but if he decides to leave by himself (or if he thinks it's best for himself), I'm completely for it. He'll progress faster without the other members around all the time and he'll be able to do things in peace. Sometimes I wish he took the path that Danson took.

2. His singing gets worse.
True, huh? At least I think so. It got better, and then suddenly from TXF OSt ---> Shuang Mian Fei Lun Hai it got so bad. What happened? His voice in Zai Shui Yi Fang was completely beautiful and lovely. Now what happened in Shuang Mian Fei Lun Hai? For a while I thought Jiro had a better voice than all the other FRH members, but now comparing, it seems like he's getting worse at singing.
And I can assure you that this will be the one time I will complain about his voice. I have never done so previously because I have always thought his voice was great.
What I feel is that he's had no progress for a long, long time. And I have a horrible feeling that his singing improvement will stop right here.


and about all the attention seeking, Jiro IS actually searching for attention.
It's quite obvious that he's not just doing it to entertain, but the way he's on variety shows is different from all the other members of Fahrenheit.
But I don't blame him a single bit. In addition to what Aspire said, Jiro is also looking for attention INSTINCTIVELY because of his family background. Think about it, growing up without a father? That's a really hard way to grow up. Jiro never had the warmth and passion that his parents were both supposed to give him. And imagine how his mom felt when she lost her husband. So Jiro's LACKED attention from his father.

I personally find his attention-seeking quite normal. A lot of artists do it too.

1. So, you don't reallly like Jiro because he seems unhappy about being in fahrenheit? *honest question, really* I think he's just really tire from all his work that he deals with. I mean in an interview with S.H.E., all their opinions on him were that he looked really tire and he needs more rest. Everyone with eyes could see that he IS really tire. I personally think that Jiro and chun seem alright. In the fahrenciti event, he was the first member to take the initiative to hug chun when chun was crying??? Also, one time during a promotion trip he and chun both snuck out together to go get some food????
Back then, Aaron was the one who was unhappy in Fahrenheit because he was stress from all the pressure of being famous at a young age, yet he acts innocent and no one suspects anything. Everyone thought it was chun who was unhappy...my point is, our eyes can lead us to misinterpret things??
For a while now, chun and aaron has been paired up while Jiro and Calvin also been paired up. I don't think any of them seem to mind. If anything, chun is more quieter with Aaron than he usually is when he's with Calvin..but I'm not going to misinterpret... i guess it depends on how other sees it(??)

2. rEALLy? I think Jiro's voice is improving and STILL improving. Personally, I LOVE his voice first and still love it....Although he doesn't have the best voice compared to other artists, I don't believe one bit that his singing is getting worse unless his throat is acting up again...but it doesn't sound like it. I also love his voice in their new jap single. But I guess this world is ambiguous, so what I see is one thing while what other sees is another. That's why people also misinterpret his actions.

I love Jiro!!!

I thought he did a really good job in the roll for hana-kimi.
sure, he looked kinda idiotic at some point, but that was what the role required him to do!
nobody could've done a better job at it than he did!!!

*Angela*, you like Jiro less and less as you get to know him? O.o; And yesh! You're right, I'm gonna rebut. ^.^

1. He's not happy in Fahrenheit? lol, Silly, Angela. Jiro is so so dead tired lately, he's getting like 2-3 hours a sleep a day only, he care barely stay awake, that's why. In fact, normal beings would be grouchy and annoyed even when they have THIS little sleep, and you have big bright lights on you, people taking pics, interviewing questions, always think you're bitter with your friends in Fahrenheit, etc---this all boils down to a very stressful and very tiring for Jiro. Calvin is still smiley and okie most of the time because he's the only member of Fahrenheit that gets more breaks than the rest. Aaron is busy lately too, but he's usually quiet so the change is not as noticable. Wu Zun is busy too, but he's known as the "strict" daddy in Fahrenheit, so he's usually not all crazy energetic like Jiro, so the contrast isn't big either. But for Jiro, it just looks like a big difference.

Also, I think Jiro's really friendly with everyone in Fahrenheit! In fact, he's like the one who connected everyone together when they first formed. Meanwhile, it's actually Aaron that's less close to everyone else, not Jiro. Aaron is kind of quiet and keeps thing to himself, and doesn't related to the others much, but it is Jiro who reaches out and cares for Aaron, so that's why Jiro appear especially closer to Aaron than the rest. Also, since Calvin and Wu Zun easily became good friends already, so to our eyes, Jiro doesn't seem as close to the other two, but he's actually really friendly with everyone.


2. His singing got worse? Which song(s) are you referring to? I thought he sounds terrific in their second album! it's so soothing and more angelic than ever to me!, lol so I'm not too sure what you mean ^^;; Maybe you could tell me?

3. As for the attention speaking part... This is strange. When he's happy and go lucky, people think he's attention grabbing, but when he's silent, you think he's not satisfied with Fahrenheit? Sometimes nothing satisfies people, huh? O.o On Jiro's blog, he says one of his hobbies is to serve people, as in to entertain people and make them happy. I don't think he's attention seeking because he's simply doing his job and having fun entertaining people. It's like accusing Calvin is attention seeking when he talks a lot ---- and Calvin does talks the most because Fahrenheit finds Calvin as the most diplomatic one and have him speaks the most to explain things or tell stories, but it's not true, right? They're all being themselves, and doing their best as entertainers. Also, Jiro is usually like a big little kid with so so so much imagination in his head, so he acts like a kiddy sometimes when he speaks his mind which makes people think he's attention seeking.

Honestly, I think Fahrenheit would be just another typical Taiwanese group without Jiro. Without Jiro, it'll be another mature-ish type group like 5566, 183 Club, etc. Like, their first main song, "I Have My Youth" I think Jiro is the leading spirit of it. I mean, you gotta agree that Calvin and Wu Zun are both very mature people (both in age, and mind). Aaron is young, but he acts really mature for his age, like he ruminates on life, and etc. But it is Jiro that carries the most youthful spirit, acting like a kid, but yet like the idea of growing to be a man, making it a versatile group about both maturity and youth.

Also, for some of the critics, it's also really really not fair to pick out the OLDer variety shows and say Jiro is attention seeking there. When Fahrenheit is new, everyone except Jiro is new! They're all shy, and not sure if they're saying the wrong things, so they rely on Jiro to lead them through the show, and he tries to make it light hearted to get his fellow members more comfortable and have fun. It's a little sad that Jiro is being blamed for attention seeking when he's just trying to be lively and active to invoke the other members to get going. ~_~ From what I see, now that everyone in Fahrenheit is more used to being idols, Jiro is no longer as lively like that anymore; not that bridge connecting them to the entertainment world anymore. In fact, I kinda miss seeing him active and yappy on those variety clips and shows now, he's a lot more quiet in comparison now ~_~

Eek-ness, sorry for writing so much. I wonder how many people just skipped right over my post because of this? ;;; lol! I hope not, I took a long time to write. haha ^^;;;

I totally agree to what The Lone Moon has said .

Basically, you can't just dig out old entertainment shows and said that Jiro is an attention grabber. When Fahrenheit was fairly new, Jiro is the only one with experience in the entertainment circle. Hence, the other fahrenheit members tend to be quiet. Don't you all realise that? Also, isn't it obvious that nowadays, Jiro is very very quiet? I doubt you guys even watch their latest videos or something, right? The rest of the fahrenheit members are starting to speak out more, while jiro is getting quieter,

I dont think that he seems unhappy with Fahrenheit? I doubt so seriously. I can even see that Jiro and Calvin are getting closer and closer day by day. Even Jiro and Chun. Don't you see their newest videos/ events? They're always getting together or hugging eachother. When Chun cried, Jiro also immediately went to hug him. He also likes to 'suan' Chun during the Jacky show. The way you said it seems like you're just basing it on their old videos or something.

Yesyes, Jiro is attention-seeker. So? Aren't all artists like that too?

About his voice, he did improve, but i can say that his improvement isn't big. But i love his voice in the newest song of FRH and S.H.E, suan tian.

I really miss Jiro being bubbly in shows nowadays =/. He's getting so quiet. I guess he is too tired. If Jiro leaves Fahrenheit, i won't have any objections. Seriously FRH should just disband since i believe everyone will progress much much better doing their own things. It'll be better if they solo. Not saying that being in Fahrenheit is a bad thing.

hahaha..I agree with everything Lonemoon wrote!^_^ Especially on that attention grabbing point. Jiro is so sweet and just wanted to make the other members feel more comfortable as they are new, but people misinterpret his intentions for "attention-seeker".

I knew I'd get "bashed" by fans the moment I got back here. It's just that Jiro has a lot of flaws I'm beginning to notice, and that causes me to kinda.. THINK more.


I agree with all your other points but this one.
Anyways, if his singing didn't improve, it didn't stay the same either. It sounded awfully different if you compare it to some other songs that he sang in the TXF OST. I think I should reword myself. His voice didn't get "worse" but it did sound "different" in a sense that I thought was "worse."

For example:
Chu Shen Ru Hua and Zai Shui Yi Fang. His voice was amazing in both songs. But then, if you suddenly listen to the songs on Shuang Mian Fei Lun Hai that are towards the faster side, it really makes a huge difference. I personally found out that the vocal editors probably took more notice for those two songs because they were much more challenging and required more practice to have a good outcome. I'm sure Jiro practiced very hard. But then, what did the vocal editors do? They edited his voice so much to the point where it sound so different from his original voice.

Zai Shui Yi Fang is similar. Now that I think of it, there were so many different added artificial effects that the vocal editors made on it that it didn't sound natural and pure. If you go back to Fahrenheit's debut album, Jiro had a huge difference in voice from that to TXF OST.

I guess we can blame the vocal editors, BUT it kind of proves that Jiro's voice hasn't imrproved much from the time he debuted.

Huh? They edited his voice? So then, do we have his original recording to compare? I don't see how that can prove much....but yeah...he's improve...and like you said, just not dramatically. However, I'm still satisfy that he's improved, though it's just a bit. The same goes to all other members as well. Don't ALL artists get their voice edited anyway when they record in a studio?
Yeah, i blame the vocal editor
Jiro may have a lot of flaws, but who doesn't? In fact, I see a lot of flaws in a lot of artists and even all frh members Also, his flaws doesn't seem to be that big of an eye-scratcher to me.

i believe Jiro did improve. but just that his improvement is not that significant that everyone notices immediately.

As for Jiro dont talk much when wuzun is around. i guess its just the way we see it when they are on screen, and with all the media digging into the matter that jiro is envy of chun's popularity. However, we wouldnt know if jiro & chun actually get along well when the boys are having their personal time. Furthermore, iits always "DongLun" &"ChunRu" we see. this is what i dont like about, it makes the group so seprated