So I was bored and started doing some research on Neo-Nazism in Europe, there is this one page specifically about Neo-Nazism in Russia

http://www.interethnic.org/EngNews/220805_2.html

It surprised me that Neo-Nazism is growing at a great rate especially in Eastern Europe and Russia.

What is painfully ironic about this movement is that, they are neo Nazis and yet at the very core of Neo-Nazi ideology, it is anti Slav which is what the Russians are. Estimates in membership of these Neo-Nazi groups are tens of thousands, the stark different i find between neo Nazi groups in Australia and Europe is that European Neo Nazis tend to be more violent and groups give paramilitary training to members. Victims of Neo-Nazi attacks in Russia are typically "dark" skinned people and attacks often occur in Moscow and St Peterburgs. In contrast neo-Nazi groups in Australia tend to be gather in small groups and the biggest thing they could do is hold meetings in community halls.

What is sad to me is that, people like them dont seem to learn history and sadly are doom to repeat the mistakes again.

It is also depressing to me that i would like to visit Eastern Europe one day, and people have told me it is one of the most stunning part of Europe and would not like my holiday to be ruin by these idiots.

What is your opinion of these Neo-Nazis? What do you think we should do with these organisations? Do you think we should ban them? Should they have the right to have rallies and to spread their hate speech?

I think we should not ban these groups, it will only drive them underground and make them hard to watch. I think they should have the right to have rallies as long as it doesnt harm other people...

Well, the neo-nazi-ism in russia is like a counter-move to an influx of what the russian's consider 'outsiders'.

A large amount of immigrants flood their cities, and they perceive them as the reason they can't find jobs or just blame them for all problems, causing a large amount of frustration to be dealt towards very specific targets

In australia and north america, the conditions aren't as bad, therefore there is less frustration to be aimed at anyone... look at the middle east, the people there are VERY frustrated, and given a target (jews, america) will do EXTREME things... just like the neo-nazi's...

I am a foreigner living in Moscow. I am dark-skinned. If you have ever feared losing your life, you would understand why I think your call for allowing such groups to meet "peacefully" is deplorable. Racism is a hate-crime. BTW, these NeoNazi groups here target everyone who is not "white". So my answer is a firm "no"



Once again this is a reply based on some sort of article you read - this is very untrue. I'll give you this: there is an influx of Central Asians in Moscow - quite a number of them in fact....but the target of neo-nazi groups is everyone. Most East-Asians and Africans that are in Moscow are students...the only sizeable asian communities are the chinese and vietnamese and even those arent very large. To make a sweeping statement to justify xenophobia is naive.

Ya, just let them exist as long as they're peaceful with everything.

Yet in the US these groups are growing in numbers





ignorance/naivety is bliss

I am totally against them. While I am a big proponent of free speech, I think they abuse it to the point where there is nothing beneficial about it.

Laws are made to equalize rights, create a fair environment, and try to bring people to an understanding of one another through communication.

I would never go to Russia or Eastern Europe, because they do not respect the law.
While I do believe they have good people there, I also know that a lot of shady things go on.

At least in the US, the city where I was raised, the KKK did not do anything violent towards me. Bunch of cowards in masks.

ehhh... theres a difference between those who believe and those who act. how many of them are willing to randomly jump an immigrant and risk going to jail?

Have you watched Soledad O'Brien's piece on CNN "Latinos in America" this week? There was a case of this mexican guy who moved to a little town of 5,000 in Pennsylvania, had a white g/f/fiance and eventually 2 children with her. he was beaten to death by 6 white guys in 2008 because he was mexican. Even tho there were eyewitnesses it took the police 2 weeks to arrest 4 suspects. A good part of teh town rallied behind the defendants. In the end they were found guilty of assault. Assault. The one guy who had the strictest sentence will serve between 7 and 23 months in jail, probably close to a year in reality.

And these are just random random country white people with no gang affiliations. How do you think these neo-nazis or skinheads will treat you if they catch you alone? Do you realy think they will hold your hand and sing kumbaya?

Sure, neo nazis are vile, but they have a right to spew their rhetoric and hold rallies as long as they don't violate and laws are anyone's civil rights. Free speech should be a basic right of all humans.

I've heard of Neo-nazies in parts of Europe, Russia, USA and there was even a case of one getting arrested and charged in the UK for conspiracy to kill or commit violent acts against ethnic minorites! From their record in these countries, expecially from where I first heard of them, from their murders of black people in the USA, they represent and will do anything but peace lol. I can picture myself as a US or UK policeman who's put Neo-nazis in jail for violence and murder. I'd just be laughing my head off about these naive comments about 'letting them operate'.



Too late, they've already murdered and will continue to commit them as long as we let them do what they want in the name of 'democracy' and 'freedom of speech'. True, everyone deserves those rights to express their views but I don't believe in complacency, where we have to let people commit evil acts of violence and murder before we can even get past our own naivety and wake up to what they are really about! That is being racism, hate, and crime!

What is the common link between the Neo-Nazis in different European countries?
Xenophobia: fear of foreigners.

Sure xenophobia always exist but what makes these certain groups people with Xenophobia so determined to "make foreigners feel unwelcome and drive them out of their country"?

Reasons:

1) Ignorance. The "ancient" cause of conflict between people.

2) People playing on the card that immigration of foreigners into their countries are the main source of problems facing them and nothing else cause the problems.

3) Because these immigrants might be foreign to the local languages and culture, they are seen as being "hostile" like they are trying to bring in their own cultures to take over the local culture.

If we were to talk about the freedom of speech, then we can't ban them cause it will be violating their rights to speak freely. "I don't agree with your views, but I would defend your rights in saying it"...but surely to make the world a better place is more important than freedom of speech, so I say lock them up and make them go through counseling as locking them up doesn't make them change their mindset and what could be worse? Them spreading their ideology in the prisons cause no all prisoners are in there for life.

They are basically hateful cowards so they won't do anything... when alone. When they outnumber their victims and there are enough of them in the assault that witnesses can't accurately tell one skinhead from another to charge them with a crime... that's when they will act.

Those kids were teens. While it's unjust and unfair all but one was underaged. All charged with simple assault and other various charges.
Apparently after they knocked down Ramirez someone kicked him in the head which caused him to go into a coma.

I googled the reference and found this:

Latinos in America
http://www.cnn.com/2009/CRIME/10/22/lia.sh...ling/index.html

http://www.cnn.com/2009/US/10/22/lia.shena...html#cnnSTCText

One of the interviewees was interrupted because a town member thought they were accusing the entire town of being hicks and racists. I have to disagree with the woman that it was NOT a racist motivated fight. I do believe it was a fight motivated by race and while they were good kids, they aren't anymore.

What's worse is this part of the article:



So if you're here illegally you deserve to get beaten to death? I think the woman who interrupted the interview did not help the town's reputation for racial tolerance any better.

Overall I think the article was a little biased because they were trying to make a "selling" point.
Free speech is important, but you cannot justify the actions of these boys by saying they're illegals.

What else are you supposed to do when your race, culture and nation are under attack? While I don't approve of their methods, it was only a matter of time before people started standing up and saying enough is enough.

Compare this to Western tolerance, and compare their respective consequences - white Russians or white Westerners, who do you think will still exist in a 100 years? My money's on the Russians.

Hi Rabbit

Neo nazi's are big news in the UK at the moment.The UK is still very much in recession, unemployment is rising and people are angry. The BNP (British national party more like British Nazi party) have picked up a few seats in the European elections. Other far right parties also did well in the European elections.

There has been a big debate about whether the leader of the BNP should be allowed to appear on a show called question time. A lot of people did object and there were protests outside the TV studio.
He did eventually appear on the show and I think it was a good thing because in my opinion he showed himself to be a totally incompetent, cowardly stupid twat who couldn't debate to save his life.

Here's a sample.

What do you mean "race culture & nation under attack"? It's complete and utter b*llsh*t. i hear white people say this all the time in order to somehow justify racist acts and actions.

Two words, the first word sounds like "bull" and the second "sh*t"...so it's Bullsh*t.

What races, cultures and nations are under attack? Can you list them out?
If you're justifying them, then can I start a xenophobic group too? And go around my country shouting vulgarities at Caucasians and demanding them go back to their native countries?
All this hype about Muslim invasion of Europe is nothing but propaganda spread by Xenophobia people who do not understand Islam yet act like experts in religious issues, who felt threatened by immigrants and think that every single job in their country would be taken over by the immigrants.

And the best part? Most of us are descendants of immigrants too.

What is western tolerance?

I just think that the press should not mention the BNP at all until the elections. The BNP is trying to make as much fuss as they can now to get the press to give them more publicity. The problem with the way the members of the audience were having a go at Nick Griffin would make some people feel sorry for him because they might think the crowd were ganging up on him. But personally I think the crowd should have been even more harsh lol. What you notice from Question time is that his hands were shaking a bit and he always have this nervous twitch in his eyebrows and mouth lol.

Nobody is actually under attack though. It's just this perceived image. In California there are groups that blame and want to deport illegals for taking jobs. But who else wants to work for minimum wage and do heavy labor? The film "A Day w/o Mexicans" is a comedic look at what would happen to California w/o immigrant labor.

I think Eastern Europe has done a poor job at teaching tolerance. Western behavior accepts immigrants (legal or illegal) based upon founding principles as well as the fact we finally figured out they are stronger as a whole.
As a society we are stronger together than apart.

While GDP is not a perfect indicator of that strength, let's show it here:

Russia's GDP (2007) is $2.076 trillion
USA's GDP (2008) $14.441 trillion

In Russia, society is stagnating and the government can barely keep it's people in check.
Almost 85,000 Neo-Nazi's (over half the world's population). The Russian groups are scary because they're so hardcore to even say that if you're Caucasian there's a chance you have minority blood. That's right. Caucasian! That's just nuts!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Racism_in_pos...ards_Caucasians

This is beyond just fighting for whites, this is genetic purity philosophy that discriminates to even minor differences! A comparison would be the Rwanda Genocide.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rwandan_Genocide



Hey Jackkool. Long time no see!

Yes, thank you for that video. A lot of Neo-Nazi's are only influential when speaking to their own.
Which is like preaching to the choir. It's redundant.

Nerdy Star Trek Voyager reference

http://memory-alpha.org/en/wiki/Nemesis_%28episode%29

"I wish it were as easy to stop hating as it was to start."

Troubled economies are the breeding grounds for Neo-Nazism.

What a load of manure! Culture and race under attack?!

Are white people being exterminated like the Mayans/Incas/Aztecs were by Conquistadores? Are they being kidnapped, shipped to foreign countries, forced to abandon their customs and religions, and given a foreign name as Africans were by Americans? Are they being forced to live on reservations, with their children taken away for "education" and conversion to Catholicism in residential schools as First Nation peoples were by Canadians?

Stop being a Drama Queen... with the way you exaggerate, you'd probably cry like a little girl if you went for a flu shot.

Neo-Nazis are in Asia too.
Mongolia and Japan.

Mongolian nazi story
http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...1910893,00.html

Japanese nazi
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Soci...d_Welfare_Party

Taiwan's past nazi connection

Unchecked immigration into Russia would lead to the eventual extinction of Russians as a distinct ethnicity. Neo-nazism is a dead-end street, and most of these 'skinheads' are practically braindead, but I'm not adverse to the idea of vigilante groups taking action against illegal immigrants. And yes, I realize the irony of Russians wanting to preserve their race and culture while they've done nothing but colonize others over the past few centuries, but that doesn't mean they don't have the right to exist.

By the way, you don't see 'white people' say this all the time, stop talking sh*t. Most of them have been effectively brainwashed into not even caring about their own future. IMO, that attitude is much more unhealthy than a 'racist' (read: interested in self-preservation) one.



Ah, the irony of calling me a drama queen right after you rhetorically (quite dramatically, in fact) summed up all the horrible, horrible things those cruel, evil whites have done. I was waiting for a gratuitous comment à la 'whites have no soul'.
Get over yourself. I'm not going to promote the destruction of my own race just to humor your petty revenge fantasies.



If you are Chinese, living in China and millions of whites are flooding into your nation to the extent that they are altering its demographical future and diluting the original population's culture and genetic make-up, yes, by all means, fight back. What do you think the Boxer Rebellion was motivated by? Yes, 'racism', 'hatred' and 'xenophobia' - in other words, the drive for self-preservation and the desire to be free from too much foreign influence.

Is there any sources that say nations such as Russia or any other Europe nations will be flooded by people of other cultures to the extent of diluting the "native" culture or elimination of Russians?
From the records, Russians still are the majority in Russia.

https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/th...ok/geos/rs.html
Russian 79.8%, Tatar 3.8%, Ukrainian 2%, Bashkir 1.2%, Chuvash 1.1%, other or unspecified 12.1% (2002 census)

And your example isn't really good considering that there are 1,338,612,968 (July 2009 est.) people living in China, 91.5% are ethnic Han = 1,224,830,8656...how many millions of Caucasians do you need to flood China?

So if there is no threat of immigrants moving into your nation to the extent of diluting your "native" culture, why hold rallies to express your Xenophobia?

We live in a century where people are migrating all over the place (lol), People are migrating to European nations, American nations, Asian nations, Middle Eastern nations and African nations.
If people from your ethnicity who are minorities in other nations are being treated in the same way, how would you feel?

And no there is no threat of the destruction of your race.



Do you know it will justify the attacks by Arabs on Westerners? Or other attacks on foreigners in other countries based on their ethnicities?

So does that mean Asians, Middle Easterners, Africans should attack westerners based on the fact that there is too much western influence in their countries or vice versa even if they are people who done nothing wrong?

Actually, France and the UK are projected to be white-minority states by the end of the century, and I have no trouble believing it. Have you ever been to Paris? You can play a little game called 'spot the ethnic Frenchman'. Just a warning though, it's harder than finding Waldo.

Now why on earth would a Frenchman or Brit be racist for having a problem with this? You'll notice that in all of my posts I have not made a single derogatory remark about non-whites, let alone Asians, yet I'm constantly being slandered as a horrible racist, a crybaby and even a 'budding fascist' (I am apparently interested in authoritarian corporatism) - simply for objecting to the extinction of my own race.
Don't you think that maybe, just maybe, there is something wrong with this, even if your attitude is completely understandable given the fact that most of you are (descendants of) immigrants?



I suppose I should have expressed myself more carefully. I do not condone these indiscriminate attacks on immigrants perpetrated by Russian skinhead gangs (especially since they always pick weaker targets), and their Nazism is idiotic, even more so given the fact that they are Slavic and thus inferior in Hitler's view. However, I do agree with the basic sentiment 'Russia for Russians'. Just like I believe all historically non-Western countries should be free from excessive Western involvement, and in the case of Russia I believe it should retreat from, among other regions, the Caucasus.
Should you attack annoying whites in your own country? If need be, of course. I wholeheartedly support the idea of, say, Korean guys confronting some white douche trying to pick up Korean girls - in S Korea itself, that is.

And does you sources tell you which ethnic group will be the majority?



I disagree with this cause there is no threat to Caucasians or another other races.
Unless your own people don't want to have babies anymore, then maybe there is a threat but it's internal not external.

Have you notice how some European nations birthrate are very low?
France is 152, Netherlands is 160, Russia 166, Belgium 168, Germany 192...
Isn't there be some link between low birthrates and immigration to countries that has low birthrate? Wouldn't having low birthrate means no enough people are going to the workforce to support the population? Think about it.



Maybe being a descendant of immigrants it makes me understand why did people immigrate to other nations instead of staying in their own countries, at the same time being a native born I also understand why some of my fellow countrymen are so bent on making immigrants leave.
Of course none of them say anything about extinction of races or so, just changes in demography.



Let me ask you the question again and added additional details cause I don't find an answer from you:
If people from your ethnicity who are minorities in other nations are being treated in the same way, how would you feel? Majorities in those nations are shouting that your people are going to cause them to go extinct?



Thanks for explaining that misleading sentence.

But if you say Russia for Russians, is it Russia for ethnic Russians or Russian for Russians?


and it should retreat from regions, do you want them to retreat to size of Grand Duchy of Moscow or Tsardom of Russia or Imperial Russia?



While I will be displeased in that kind of situation, I wouldn't resort to violence so quickly. I mean love is blind. If I were to confront a Caucasian who is trying to pick up girls of my ethnicity, does it mean it would be fine for Caucasians to beat me up if I try to pick Caucasian girls? But if the girls show that they are annoyed, I would step forward.

It's interesting that you put the caveat of "in S Korea itself." Why not elsewhere? Why not in the US? Wouldn't that white person contribute to the "extinction" of the white race to a greater degree by race-mixing in a white country? And, in that case, would you not support the Koreans confronting him in a white country (as long as they're there, that is)?

Cripes, what business is it of yours whether a white guy is with an Asian girl or a black girl with a Latino guy or whatever. Interracial relationships are still relatively rare in every country in the world. Trust me, they're not going to contribute to the destruction of any race or country.

Xenophobes use the phrase "under attack" to justify attacking others in "self-defense". I was merely giving you examples of what it means for a "race, culture and nation" to be TRULY under attack. You are not "under attack" just by having foreigners living in your neighbourhood minding their own business. To say so is a way of intentionally misusing words to provide an excuse for violence.

I have no interest in retribution on anyone for the acts of their ancestors. In fact, one of my best friends is part Japanese... enough said. Your own statement reveals that YOU are the one with "petty revenge fantasies".

Furthermore, I am under no illusions that violence is only done by "cruel, evil whites". One of the worst genocides in recent history was the Rwandan genocide of 1994... that's another example of a "race, culture and nation" under attack... approx 800,000 people died. For anyone to claim that they are "under attack" just because immigrants are moving into their country is both ludicrous and comical compared to any of the examples that I have given.




There's quite a bit of difference between the situation in modern Europe vs. the situation in China at the time of the Boxer Rebellion (1898-1901). The Emperor had banned the smoking and trading of opium by decree in 1729. During that year, British exports of opium to China was estimated at 15 tons. By the end of the 1830s, British merchants were selling around 1,400 tons of opium annually to China.

All of Hong Kong Island and parts of Shanghai had been considered "extraterritorial" for over 50 years (since the First Opium War 1839–42)... that is, foreigners made the laws and Chinese had to abide by them. Power over the "International Settlement" in Shanghai was gradually returned to China between 1943 and 1949.

Britain added Kowloon to the Crown Colony of Hong Kong after the Second Opium War 1856–1860. In 1898 Britain obtained a 99-year lease of the New Territories of Hong Kong (until 1997)... that may have been the final straw after 50+ years of pushing drugs...

Until foreigners actually seize power over parts of your country for the purpose of drug trafficking, please do not try to draw parallels with the Boxer Rebellion.

A sign banning Chinese from entering a garden in their own country

I would really really want you to tell me who is going make up the majority of France and UK by the end of the century. I would be amused if you say Muslims or Arabs because this has long been a f**k*ng tired cliche myth.

I find it coincidental (not sure if that's "ironic")
that Caucasians are mourning the supposed extinction of their race. One only has to look over at the Indian (Native American) Casinos to know what your people look forward to.

Ain't karma kind of funny?

No realistically I don't think that will happen. I hope a future where we all can stand in a circle holding hands singing kumbayas. figuratively. If you force me to literally do that, then we'll have some really big problems.

cheers!

Get over yourself. "Extinction" is another ridiculous exaggeration... just like "under attack".

Physical extinction would be caused by birth rate < death rate. Unless foreigners are actively increasing the death rate of "your race" by mass killings, then "extinction" would be your own fault for low birth rates. Anyway, you should check your facts:

CIA - The World Factbook -- France


Cultural extinction would be caused by failing to teach your people's history and traditions to the next generation. How many French children are familiar with Asterix & Obelix or Tintin's Adventures compared with how many know about Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, and Transformers? How many learn hip-hop vs. ballet? Whose fault would that be?

If the French <substitute the ethnicity of your choice here> want to flourish, they need to make it "cool" to be French. Then everyone will want to marry French people (solving physical extinction) and imitate French culture (solving cultural extinction).



Lashing out with "vigilante groups taking action against immigrants" is not going to solve anything. If your own people are seeking foreign mates and imitating foreign cultures, then "your race" is doomed ... and it is not anyone else's fault.

Its actually not legal to be a nazi in modern day Germany as far as I am aware. Its also illegal to deny the holocaust in Germany too! Also in the UK if you start a Neo Nazi group that spreads hate and ignorance then its not legal either because it breaches some national laws like inciting racial hatred, racial abuse and etc. Also in the UK hate groups are banned. So its not possible in the UK or many other european countries to openly run a neo nazi group, everything would have to be done behind closed doors.