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ChemMaster
I'm just really, really curious, what between these two makes them such a lovely couple? There are so many couples out there that I really think create much more chemistry than Rainie and Mike do. I will admit that I am not much of a fan of EITHER, especially Rainie, so that makes me slightly biased. sweat.gif Either way, I don't see many sparks between these two. Rainie and Mike look good together, but I don't feel like they're really made for each other. For example, the first time I saw these two, I would've assumed they were father and daughter or sister and brother.

I will also admit that I absolutely loved DBY -- it's definitely on my top few lists of dramas. Intense, deep, and likable. What I do not understand is the chemistry between Rainie and Mike-- I certainly was one of the few that were not able to detect any kind of emotion or feeling between them in their acting. It was more like they were just playing as individuals instead.

Anyone mind rebutting me, or giving me supporting reasons?
All are appreciated.


* please tell me if this thread is a repeat
oh`retro
Umm, I think you know what I'm going to say. Since I hate Rainie with such an intense passion, I don't find her to be cute with anyone. Because her half just ruins the entire couple. But, yeah, those RM fans are intense. It's like years later and they're still dedicated to RM. And I wanted Rainie to be with Kingone in Why Why Love. I personally don't see any chemistry whatsoever between Rainie and Mike. Like seriously, Mike and Kingone have more chemistry, lol. I prefer Mike and Hebe anyday.
currypuff
I don't really like Rainie nor Mike, but the characters in DBY were really likeable and fun to watch. I love the pairing of a pure and innocent Qi Yue with the devilish bad boy Ah Meng.

In Why Why Love, the characters were really 2-dimensional without any depths and the drama was too draggy. I was actually rooting for Kingone too!

I can see why RM fans love them from DBY, i love the drama a lot! But from Why Why Love? No chemistry whatsoever...
ForbiddenApple
i'm not fan of two of them but i have to admit i love DBY (maybe coz of the story or maybe coz i'm a teenager that time) but then i'm turn down when i watch WWL...boring...if people out there are at the same of my position,they will know why i don't like WWL...
my point of view they as a couple...i really really and really doubt it...i don't think they are or even they will...judging from BTS of DBY or WWL or even their promo i just can see them as a friend or brother and sister relationship...that all...not more than that...ok hard to say this but seriously near the future rainie can find a guy more better than mike and her ex-boyfriends...
big_potato
Rainie looks cute and Mike looks good.
So naturally, people would say these two people look good together. As the chinese saying goes, the pretty girl matches the handsome guy.
But i'd say the storyline has helped alot as well.
Actually, I feel that Ariel + Joe looks more like a couple!
AndLoveYelledNO
Well, I can ony speak about their chemistry in dramas.

I enjoyed watching them together but they certainly aren't my favorite couple. Or anywhere near it, actually.
A lot of people like them together because they're both attractive and their dramas were really popular. But I always found their relationship in the series to be more of a sibling one. I didn't feel the ~passion~ or emotional pull. It was all just too childish and one toned...as were the characters.
Aspire
I think in dramas, their chemistry isn't as strong as some other couples on-screen.

Firstly, Mike was always the bad boy, so it gives me the feeling that most of the time he was only playing around with Rainie. Don't you feel that his smirk or his smile was kinda flirtatious and not enough to be considered as sincere? He was making Rainie do things HE liked but not what Rainie preferred, which could be quite torturing to her it seemed, seeing how she kept on scolding him or crying for him.

Secondly, Rainie wasn't capable of portraying good enough emotions on screen, so I felt that she was mostly just complaining about Mike or she was merely just gushing BECAUSE Mike liked her. It's like she felt happy because Mike noticed HER, but not that she really liked Mike in return.

Their kissing scenes, lack of interaction. It was usually only Mike doing the kissing, while Rainie stood there idly letting him dig his tongue into her mouth. And she had this expression (grimace) on her face which kinda displayed that she didn't like the kiss. Was that how couples were supposed to kiss?

I saw MORE emotion in Ariel-Mike kissing scenes.
♥UOTSIOH♥
Aspire, high five girl. We have the same minds about their kissing scenes. It seems like Mike is kissing on a wall. Rainie's lips never work out, but Mike is a good kisser wink.gif

Anyways, im not a big fan of this two and im really wondering why are there some dedicated fans. Lah, Rainie doesnt deserve Mike as a showcase, maybe she's only upto an on-screen couple but i think, they're not really compatible.

I'll prefer ArJoe way to high up.

YATTA!Baby...~
WayyliEn
DBY made me think that they had a lot of chemistry. but now that i go back and think about it, i realized that they didn't really have amazing chemistry. it was just a good story line that made me feel like they were a good couple.

looking at it now, it seems more like mike is the baby sitter and rainie is the kid hes sitting for.
CHOCOBABY♥
THEY ARE MY NUMBER ONE HATED COUPLE IN TW ENT

I hateeee them to bones
Im not a fan of both Mike and Rainie
as in, I hate Rainie to bones, I just hate her
for Mike, I dont hate him, but Im not
obsess of him or anything

but in terms of looks, I dont see how they are cute
I mean, to me, Rainie is so small, and
Mike is such a big man, when he hugs her
its so......grrrr. and in WWL
when they bicker, they are missing this cuteness
it is really like they are reading of the book
instead of being into character D:
plus sometime, I think Mike is more like a friend or brother
to Rainie instead of lover
instead I think Kingone gives me a feeling of them being
a couple with Rainie more..

and I think Rainie doesnt match Mike
Mike is okay hot, but Rainie is so ugly
Kingone is hot, but I just think
he matches Rainie more : P

and yes, Im bias =]
elloshiions
i'll admit that i once loved this couple more than anything.
well, everyone likes a coupling after watching a drama--most of the time anyways, right?
i was a fan of their's when i was a huge fan of devil beside you. i thought they were cute and innocent and pure too.
after why why love, however, my obsession over them died out. maybe because i've had too much of them and all, but yeh.. they're not great together as they once was.
it might just be because of rainie's image on me. she isn't as cute or talented as i once thought she was.. :X
novemberbaby
I don't think they have a lot of chemistry in the dramas, but I like watching them in variety shows. There's something about their interactions that draw my attention. I like this couple and it's kind of hard seeing Mike with any other actress - but I admit it's because I've seen too much of Mike and Rainie.

But hey, look on the bright side. Mike eventually paired up with Hebe and Rainie is going to work with Will Pan. And Will's character was originally for Mike.
swanprincess
Rainie really looked lyk Mike's dog, not as love interest,lol! n_thumbdown.gif dont see any chemstry! n_thumbdown.gif Mike He is better off w/ pretty actresses,pls!!! she luks ridiculous on her stupid "snoopy-like" hairdo. poor mike.
big_potato
I agree with Aspire there was much more in the Ariel+Mike kiss! So much more.
!evee
I won't lie and say I had a moment with my RM fandom that lasted for a day or so? he-he.
When I saw DBY I didn't get the chemistry that much but the plot was intersting. Then WWL came and I saw a bit of an improvement, or maybe it was Mike's acting that made it believable. I also agree to the kissing comment! I thought I was insane when I saw their 'kiss' and everyone was praising them. Guess I wasn't.

novemberbaby: No kidding?! The role was originally for Mike! I praise whoever was sane enough to reject this idea or whatever! I would died if they were paired up again. I'm sorry if that was a bit harsh. ><'
.jaevia
to be truthful, when i watched DBY, i do love the drama, so yeah at that time i DO like mike&rainie. ( i guess its the storyplot that makes me like this couple )
chemistry in DBY, they do have, if not i wouldnt like them in the first place, chemistry off screen gives me a feeling like its all "putting-up-an-act-and-trying-to-be-close."
i din watch WWY, so i cant comment anything abt that.

not a big fan of rainie, but i do like mike.

but apparently when Bull-Fighting was broadcast. i certainly do not think rainie & mike are that compatible whistle.gif

ohwell, just my opinion.
Michelle.
hmm to me, i do see some chemistry between them. like the whole bad-boy mike and cutesy rainie where the guy protects the girl image... is definitely really adorable =] DBY was a role-breaking drama for both of them and certainly was a nice drama to watch. off-screen, they do have their cute moments like when they're always bickering playfully and teasing each other, u know, that sorta thing. you can't blame ppl for thinking they have chemistry (even when their chemistry isn't as strong as everyone thinks, but who knows, we aren't them), since from what i see, after every hit drama, the new couples will definitely be paired together. i can name so many on screen couples that have been known to have lots of chemistry (even when they really don't) after a hit drama like ariel and joe, ella and wu zun, ming dao and qiao en, angela and wu zun. do all these on screen couples have chemistry?
uncchristine99
I love this couple. I don't pick apart every photo and screencap (which, you know, if that's your thing, that's okay) but I like them both a lot and more so when they're together. It's hard for me to start this argument without just flapping my arms and saying, "can't you see it?!?!" Haha... but I'll try to be scientific about it. Perhaps this can go towards the writing contest!

So Rainie and Mike blew up together as the golden couple of Devil Beside You. I think it’s safe to say the whole RM movement began out of love for their characters but when Rainie and Mike started to display similar interaction outside of their dramas, I think that was what sparked this huge whirlwind of RM fan support.

I thought they were a great pair in DBY but it’s when I saw them on variety shows and at press events that I began to wonder... there are TONS of clips on YouTube and Tudou from various shows and press events. They’re so funny and quick to banter—it’s like watching them straight out of their dramas. The interaction is the same—the sneaky smiles, the sideways glance, the kinda embarrassing confessions and/or denials...

I didn’t get to watch DBY as it aired week to week but I did get to do that with Why Why Love and I have to say, half the fun of watching it was watching the secondary show between Rainie and Mike. They had so many scenes where there was just that extra spark in the eye, that extra lilt in the voice, that smile that was a little too wide, that kiss that was just a little too long... either they’re really good at their jobs or the rest of us are onto something bigger here—I prefer to think the latter.

Well, that was shorter than I anticipated... maybe I will gather some RM fans and come up with an interactive photo and video essay.
Love. Music.
When i saw this series i was not a fan of Rainie Yang at all so basically she annoyed me most of the time unsure.gif but when she got with Mike (in the series) they were really cute and they had good chemistry so i forgot out the fact that i didnt like her so much.

People tune in becuase they are both cute so then its like watching Brad Pitt and Jennifer Aniston togther.
So yea thats why I liked them at first but as the show went on, I think they worked well together so thats why i liked this pairing alot. sleep.gif
darby
QUOTE (uncchristine99 @ May 19 2008 10 30 PM) *
I love this couple. I don't pick apart every photo and screencap (which, you know, if that's your thing, that's okay) but I like them both a lot and more so when they're together. It's hard for me to start this argument without just flapping my arms and saying, "can't you see it?!?!" Haha... but I'll try to be scientific about it. Perhaps this can go towards the writing contest!

So Rainie and Mike blew up together as the golden couple of Devil Beside You. I think it's safe to say the whole RM movement began out of love for their characters but when Rainie and Mike started to display similar interaction outside of their dramas, I think that was what sparked this huge whirlwind of RM fan support.

I thought they were a great pair in DBY but it's when I saw them on variety shows and at press events that I began to wonder... there are TONS of clips on YouTube and Tudou from various shows and press events. They're so funny and quick to banter—it's like watching them straight out of their dramas. The interaction is the same—the sneaky smiles, the sideways glance, the kinda embarrassing confessions and/or denials...

I didn't get to watch DBY as it aired week to week but I did get to do that with Why Why Love and I have to say, half the fun of watching it was watching the secondary show between Rainie and Mike. They had so many scenes where there was just that extra spark in the eye, that extra lilt in the voice, that smile that was a little too wide, that kiss that was just a little too long... either they're really good at their jobs or the rest of us are onto something bigger here—I prefer to think the latter.

Well, that was shorter than I anticipated... maybe I will gather some RM fans and come up with an interactive photo and video essay.


whistle.gif

UNCHRISTINE99, if you are not yet a part of the RM fans, why not try visiting the thread and I bet you will be more enlightened bout Mike and Rainie thingy.
Asiul_
dun fancy da couple, but i guess there r alrite
only reason ireckon they r good together cos they r da only ones in my list
ella>chun (not really, but beta than rainie)
hebe>arron
ariel>joe
etc.

everyone is taken, since i dun fancy any of da 2, so why not just put them together, lol?
sweetsmile
i love these couple.. there is no reason to hate rainie or mike.. actually i dont like rainie before in meteor garden but when i watched her on dby, i became her fan.. maybe because of their chemistry.. even my nephew who is only 9 years old likes to see them together onscreen.. he is the one who encourage me to watch these couple.. and i found out that he is right.. there's something between them that once you watched them, you will get hooked to them..
shellstah__
QUOTE (rainbowie @ Jun 8 2008 12 55 AM) *
well if you say that RM doesnt have chemistry then the rest of the couplings will be worse off since they are voted the best chemistry in AF.
well you can say that they dont have chemistry onscreen together
but director lin, angie chai and everyone else in the world thinks that they do
they themselves see each as the couple with most chemistry
i guess i dont have to provide evidence because it is everywhere.
i pity this thread because more half of the replies are pro them and less are against.


Just because they were voted best chemistry on AF doesn't prove anything. That's just what members on AF think, not the entire world. Besides, polls like those can be rigged.
Whether or not they have chemistry depends on the viewer. I know people who dislike the two of them together. So your argument of "everybody else in the world" is completely void.
QUOTE (rainbowie @ Jun 8 2008 12 55 AM) *
they are our mommy and daddy.
no other couple have ever made fans so crazy about them.
no other couple had made fans send messages for them.
no other couple smiles like they do when heard of each other name
no other couple hug and kiss the way the do
no other couple look at each other the way they do
no other couple have so much of a concidence like them.


All the stuff about "No other couple" is just non-sense. How do you know no other couple do that? I'm sure tons of couples out there do that and more.
QUOTE (rainbowie @ Jun 8 2008 12 55 AM) *
if you realise their careers are always closely linked.
rainie rests after mike rest
mike debuts his book after rainie does
mike sets up his sina blog a day after rainie does hers.
mike updates his blog after rainie update
mike goes to hk for countdown after rainie did for chirstmas.
want more?
endless.


As for their careers being so close together, sounds more like you guys are thinking a little way too much. Their company is doing what's best for them, not to match up with each other.

Don't get me wrong, I love RM. It's just that I don't intensely fangirl and lead myself into false delusions about fan-couples.
AndLoveYelledNO
You know RM fans went crazy with the poll and spread the word to other RM fans.
No one is denying RM's popularity. But just because someone doesn't agree about their chemistry doesn't mean you have to go nuts.

All of those "reasons" are not facts, they're opinions.
And do you really think they orchestrated their book releases to be near each other and that's some sort of sign they're in love with one another? I mean, really? blink.gif
They have no say over its release date, their publishing company does.

And you forgot one important thing. If they were in love with each other...they would be together. Plain and simple.

QUOTE (` H0T iiCE @ Jun 8 2008 1 53 AM) *
Don't get me wrong, I love RM. It's just that I don't intensely fangirl and lead myself into false delusions about fan-couples.


I feel sorry for the RM fans that aren't like this, such as yourself. You obviously can look at things objectively. Too many people who ship couples in real life are just scarily obsessive. They spend way too much time dissecting the smallest things and then find some way to twist it to their advantage.

Many RM fans are like this and that's why they have a such a bad reputation. A shame really.
swanprincess
QUOTE (AndLoveYelledNO @ Jun 8 2008 7 21 AM) *
You know RM fans went crazy with the poll and spread the word to other RM fans.
No one is denying RM's popularity. But just because someone doesn't agree about their chemistry doesn't mean you have to go nuts.

All of those "reasons" are not facts, they're opinions.
And do you really think they orchestrated their book releases to be near each other and that's some sort of sign they're in love with one another? I mean, really? blink.gif
They have no say over its release date, their publishing company does.

And you forgot one important thing. If they were in love with each other...they would be together. Plain and simple.

I'm sorry but some of the people who ship couples in real life are just scarily obsessive. They spend way too much time dissecting the smallest things and then find some way to twist it to their advantage.

Many RM fans are like this and that's why they have a such a bad reputation. A shame really.


Bravo clapping.gif ! perfct anaylsis thumbsup.gif ! i cudnt agree w/ you more! worship.gif
i dont thnk Mike He, a HOT GUY wud spend his time hanging around w/ a weird girl who grabs people's chest & scratch other people's faces! YUCK n_thumbdown.gif ! A total turn off! For som1 as hot as Mike He, if I were his fan, eww! dont like his girl 2 be like that!
RM4Life
QUOTE (AndLoveYelledNO @ Jun 8 2008 7 21 AM) *
You know RM fans went crazy with the poll and spread the word to other RM fans.
No one is denying RM's popularity. But just because someone doesn't agree about their chemistry doesn't mean you have to go nuts.

All of those "reasons" are not facts, they're opinions.
And do you really think they orchestrated their book releases to be near each other and that's some sort of sign they're in love with one another? I mean, really? blink.gif
They have no say over its release date, their publishing company does.

And you forgot one important thing. If they were in love with each other...they would be together. Plain and simple.



I feel sorry for the RM fans that aren't like this, such as yourself. You obviously can look at things objectively. Too many people who ship couples in real life are just scarily obsessive. They spend way too much time dissecting the smallest things and then find some way to twist it to their advantage.

Many RM fans are like this and that's why they have a such a bad reputation. A shame really.


Hmm... just one advice: don't immediately judge a whole group of people based off interactions you've had with only a few RM fans. I admit and agree with you that some RM fans go off the chart when it comes to supporting their pairing. And since it seemed like it irritates you, I apologize to you on their behalf. You have to look at it in both ways... don't just be biased on your irritation or hatred for this pairing. Some of those "reasons" I agree might be too far-fetched that it's most likely based off of our opinions. But you can't just state that "they're just our opinions" as if it's a fact. Who is to say that some of our suspicions are correct?

And I really have to correct you on something that you think is an "important thing"... they're in the e-biz! The pressure from the e-biz is really frustrating so it's most likely the main reason why most people don't get together just like that. I hope I don't insult or upset anybody on this because I have no intention of offending anybody but... you know what happened to Vic and Barbie right? There's a huge possibility it could happen to others, too. That's why they try to keep their private life away from the public. Especially Rainie who is very pretty reserved. It's not like Rainie and Mike (or any couple from the e-biz for that matter) can just randomly blurt out "We're in love!" out loud without having the media down their throats. "Plain and simple..." whistle.gif

I must add... they had a 5 year promise where they said to eachother that they wont date in 5 years. And unless I'm not up-to-date, the 5 years is still not over. huh.gif

Again, I'm sorry if any RM fans annoyed you in any way. But we're just simply supporting the pairing in any way we can, it's not like we did anything bad to your like bashing your idol or something. There are a lot of other fans whom support other pairings and are equally as you say... "obsessive" (again, I don't think you should just label a supporting group because you obviously haven't interacted with enough RM fans to come to that abrupt conclusion dry.gif ) I'm just wondering why the RM fans seem to be the main target to this criticism. I guess it feels good for you guys to vent your annoyance on the pairing we support. I just wonder why people would actually use up their time to make up this forum so they can post their annoyance, criticism, and ill-mannered opinion about it. Isn't there anything better to do then bash a pairing? blink.gif


QUOTE (swanprincess @ Jun 8 2008 7 26 AM) *
Bravo clapping.gif ! perfct anaylsis thumbsup.gif ! i cudnt agree w/ you more! worship.gif
i dont thnk Mike He, a HOT GUY wud spend his time hanging around w/ a weird girl who grabs people's chest & scratch other people's faces! YUCK n_thumbdown.gif ! A total turn off! For som1 as hot as Mike He, if I were his fan, eww! dont like his girl 2 be like that!


Hmm... well that is your opinion against a lot of other who see the chemistry between them. It's Mike's choice on whom he likes. RM supporters know that but they're simply supporting the pairing they like. And even though it's your opinion, but unless you know Mike personally then I don't think you should immediately come to these abrupt and childish conclusion like "i dont thnk Mike He, a HOT GUY wud spend his time hanging around w/ a weird girl who grabs people's chest & scratch other people's faces!. Mike and Rainie have already stated that they still communicate with eachother. So that just proves that Mike likes spending his time with Rainie. You don't see him avoiding her don't you? dry.gif

Okay, I'm sorry about this last comment but if others get to vent their annoyance then it's not like I can't. Sure, some RM fans can become "obsessive" about the RM pairing and it must be annoying in others views. But what's also annoying is that others would use up their time to post criticism about a pairing.
Aspire
QUOTE (RM4Life @ Jun 8 2008 3 32 PM) *
And I really have to correct you on something that you think is an "important thing"... they're in the e-biz! The pressure from the e-biz is really frustrating so it's most likely the main reason why most people don't get together just like that. I hope I don't insult or upset anybody on this because I have no intention of offending anybody but... you know what happened to Vic and Barbie right? There's a huge possibility it could happen to others, too. That's why they try to keep their private life away from the public. Especially Rainie who is very pretty reserved. It's not like Rainie and Mike (or any couple from the e-biz for that matter) can just randomly blurt out "We're in love!" out loud without having the media down their throats. "Plain and simple..." whistle.gif

Ironically, if they are together, and they can't publicise their relationship, then why is Rainie telling the medias that she doesn't mind rumours with Jiro and George? So rumours are better than real relationships? Well, if they are really in love, then why is Rainie saying such a thing without considering Mike's feelings? Yes, you said it's pressure that prevents them from announcing their relationship, but is it not pressure also to have rumours with people?

So rumours with Mike have to be kept a secret while rumours with other guys can be announced and created? Makes no sense...

Based on that, I don't think Mike and Rainie are together at all.


QUOTE (RM4Life @ Jun 8 2008 3 32 PM) *
I just wonder why people would actually use up their time to make up this forum so they can post their annoyance, criticism, and ill-mannered opinion about it. Isn't there anything better to do then bash a pairing? blink.gif

But what's also annoying is that others would use up their time to post criticism about a pairing.

This is one thing I can NEVER understand. Why can't people take criticism for their idols? As celebrities the first and foremost challenge they face is criticism. If they can't take it, then don't be celebrities. Trust me, there are MORE celebrity pairings out there that receive MORE criticism than RM.

It has the same reason why fans go around posting pictures, news, discussions about their idols.

At least we are not planning any threatening activities to harm RM. We are merely sitting in front of the computer and spend a few minutes pouring our thoughts here.
AndLoveYelledNO
QUOTE (RM4Life @ Jun 8 2008 3 32 AM) *
Hmm... just one advice: don't immediately judge a whole group of people based off interactions you've had with only a few RM fans. I admit and agree with you that some RM fans go off the chart when it comes to supporting their pairing. And since it seemed like it irritates you, I apologize to you on their behalf. You have to look at it in both ways... don't just be biased on your irritation or hatred for this pairing. Some of those "reasons" I agree might be too far-fetched that it's most likely based off of our opinions. But you can't just state that "they're just our opinions" as if it's a fact. Who is to say that some of our suspicions are correct?



I didn't mean to imply all RM fans are like this. If it came off like this for whatever reason, then let me apologize and state that I realize this is not true. I'd have to be pretty dumb not to.
Plus I did say "I feel sorry for the RM fans that aren't like this" and "Many RM fans".

I also want to make it clear that I don't hate this pairing. I actually enjoyed them together in DBY and said so in my earlier comment. I was simply debating rainbows' statements.

It's not only some RM fans who behave like this, it's shippers from all groups. It can be irritating.

None of the comments she made are proven facts. Thus they are opinions. So yes, I can say that. Where is the proof that they released books near one another because they love each other and are perfect for one another?


QUOTE (RM4Life @ Jun 8 2008 3 32 AM) *
And I really have to correct you on something that you think is an "important thing"... they're in the e-biz! The pressure from the e-biz is really frustrating so it's most likely the main reason why most people don't get together just like that. I hope I don't insult or upset anybody on this because I have no intention of offending anybody but... you know what happened to Vic and Barbie right? There's a huge possibility it could happen to others, too. That's why they try to keep their private life away from the public. Especially Rainie who is very pretty reserved. It's not like Rainie and Mike (or any couple from the e-biz for that matter) can just randomly blurt out "We're in love!" out loud without having the media down their throats. "Plain and simple..." whistle.gif

I must add... they had a 5 year promise where they said to eachother that they wont date in 5 years. And unless I'm not up-to-date, the 5 years is still not over. huh.gif


Tell you what, if they get together in the future you can come back here and rub it in everyone's faces. In the meantime they aren't. I think it's easy to twist things to your advantage. Any look, any comment, any action.

You also have to understand that this IS e-biz. And they are promoting a romantic series. Why do you think these stars never deny liking one another during promotions? They have a job to do and that's to sell the show. They as a couple IS the show.

Look, I don't know if they like each other. I'm not a mind reader. So you can only have opinions aobut this. And I don't say no or yes...I say simply I don't know. But i'm leaning towards no by the fact that they aren't together after all these years. And I read an article on the news section were MIke was talking about setting up Rainie with his brother.


QUOTE (RM4Life @ Jun 8 2008 3 32 AM) *
Again, I'm sorry if any RM fans annoyed you in any way. But we're just simply supporting the pairing in any way we can, it's not like we did anything bad to your like bashing your idol or something. There are a lot of other fans whom support other pairings and are equally as you say... "obsessive" (again, I don't think you should just label a supporting group because you


That's where you're wrong. That's one of the problems people have with some RM fans. They go around insulting any other female Mike pairs up with. I recall the many comments saying "Hebe doesn't have any chemistry with Mike" even before the series BullFighting aired! It was unbelievable.

And visit any video on youtube or any news thread about Mike and some other females and I guarantee you will find RM fans there with "I prefer her with Rainie" (This one is used like a broken record) or "No he only looks good with Rainie, so and so is ugly", etc.

I don't care if you're an RM fan. You can ship whoever you want. What do I are?
But the reason why so many people are annoyed by many RM fans is because they do things like this constantly. You would think they were talking about their own love lives. Do you really care THAT much? I mean come on.
And I feel bad for both Mike and Rainie because I think that RM thing is going to haunt them for a long time. Can you imagine if they actually date someone else? Those poor people will get insulted all over the internet because they're not "good enough". It's scary and sad.
RM4Life
AndLoveYelledNO

Hmm, we're both in the wrong here. I'm sorry for what I said when you clearly did say that you take notice of other RM supporters who aren't "obsessive". But at times I'm quite perplexed because you sometimes sound as if your implying the whole RM supporters. And you don't have to tell me that you don't hate the pairing. That's why I said irritation or hatred in my original post. But if I were in your shoes, I'm sure the whole shipping thing is annoying. I admit I'm pretty vexed by other shippers, too. But I just leave it alone and continue supporting whom I support, it's better that way then posting my irritation where others can see... which would obviously attract others who have different opinions. And who knows? One thing would lead to another and in the end both sides will end up in a tiring fight. The comments she made may seem like opinions to you. But take in mind that she is one RM fan. There are other RM fans out there who analyze the matter and take into consideration about other things. You can't say yourself on whether they're facts or not. About Mike introducing his brother to Rainie was old news, so I'm sure you're not up-to-date about RM. So you can't say yourself with certainty about their actions and feelings. In the e-biz they are suppose to look like a couple, but it's not certain that they do everything because of that. How they treat eachother for the e-biz and how they treat eachother outside of the e-biz is either different or similar.

Again, I'm sorry on behalf of any of those RM fans who offend the other women that are paired with Mike and vice versa (Just wondering, are you a Mebe fan?). "She's ugly" and so on are offending comments. But I want to ask you a question... how is "I prefer him with Rainie" offending? Sure it must be annoying to you and others but you have to take into consideration that it's a person's opinion for pete's sake. Nothing can change it. And there was no intention of offence in those kind of comments. "Hebe and Mike have no chemistry", those kind of comments before BF is unreasonable. But there are people who think this way after BF. Whether they simply deny seeing the chemistry because of their loyalty to another pairing. Or that they honestly don't see the chemistry. Or they do but they think their chemistry can't compete with the chemistry of the pairing they support.

I'm sure that there are RM fans that take it into their hands to bash other pairings. But the RM fans I know don't bash other pairings just to make their own pairing look good. I've heard them take the offence about it, too. There's a difference between comparing pairings and simply bashing a pairing. They haven't seen Rainie and Mike together for quite a while, so they just either reminisce about RM or just simply compare how Mike treats his other co-stars and vice versa. I'll also add that some RM fans have stated they that will be upset if RM doesn't get together, but that they'll also be happy for Mike or Rainie and whomever they are with.

QUOTE (Aspire @ Jun 8 2008 8 49 AM) *
Ironically, if they are together, and they can't publicise their relationship, then why is Rainie telling the medias that she doesn't mind rumours with Jiro and George? So rumours are better than real relationships? Well, if they are really in love, then why is Rainie saying such a thing without considering Mike's feelings? Yes, you said it's pressure that prevents them from announcing their relationship, but is it not pressure also to have rumours with people?

So rumours with Mike have to be kept a secret while rumours with other guys can be announced and created? Makes no sense...

Based on that, I don't think Mike and Rainie are together at all.



This is one thing I can NEVER understand. Why can't people take criticism for their idols? As celebrities the first and foremost challenge they face is criticism. If they can't take it, then don't be celebrities. Trust me, there are MORE celebrity pairings out there that receive MORE criticism than RM.

It has the same reason why fans go around posting pictures, news, discussions about their idols.

At least we are not planning any threatening activities to harm RM. We are merely sitting in front of the computer and spend a few minutes pouring our thoughts here.


I'll have to repeat this again: 'Rainie and Mike made a 5 year promise not to date. And there's no real truth on the matter of Rainie and Mike's feelings. I'm pretty sure that rumours are much better than a real relationship. With rumours people don't know the whole truth and just base things on opinions, insights, and the media. But with real relationships, everyone would know the real truth and that would be just a hassle to them because the media would always be on their tails. Rumours have a positive and negative affect on that person because rumours can help with someone's publicity. And I guess Rainie has already been rumoured with so many guys that she's already used to the pressure from rumours. Wouldn't all these rumours about you get you so tired that you wouldn't care anymore?

And about your last comment I have to agree with you. I guess RM really isn't the main point of criticism. But with criticism it only makes sense that fans and supporters of that pairing or idol would do their best to defend them, right? I apologize if I offended you because what you said is your opinion and I'm sure nothing can change that. But my post is basically a mixture of my venting and defensive thoughts. I can live with others that criticize others in a level-headed way like you. But I can't take others (I wont say who... dry.gif ) who just basically bash that pairing with biased and immature posts. For example: "OMG I HATE Rainie and Mike together! They DON'T look good together!
AndLoveYelledNO
QUOTE (RM4Life @ Jun 8 2008 6 26 PM) *
Hmm, we're both in the wrong here. I'm sorry for what I said when you clearly did say that you take notice of other RM supporters who aren't "obsessive". But at times I'm quite perplexed because you sometimes sound as if your implying the whole RM supporters.


Well, I am talking about those fans who are incredibly obsessive and rude. I just don't want to type "Some RM fans" in every other sentence, you know?

QUOTE (RM4Life @ Jun 8 2008 6 26 PM) *
I'm sure the whole shipping thing is annoying. I admit I'm pretty vexed by other shippers, too. But I just leave it alone and continue supporting whom I support, it's better that way then posting my irritation where others can see... which would obviously attract others who have different opinions. And who knows? One thing would lead to another and in the end both sides will end up in a tiring fight.


I think most of us who visit the critics thread are very much aware that people with opposing views will come. There's nothing wrong with a debate. With people sharing opinions and views.
It's when the insults start flying that it gets nasty but that rarely happens and the Mods are here thumbsup.gif

I think shipping characters can be fun, actually (I'm a skater whistle.gif)
But I'm not really into trying to get the two actors together in real life as a couple. We don't really do that often in the western entertainment world so it really took me by surprise when I saw that this is very popular in the Asian one.

If I like a "couple", for me it's more about their working relationship and the emotions they convey through their characters when they come together. Of course i also like to see them in variety shows laughing and interacting with one another.
But who they date in real life is their business and I don't really care much. As long as they keep working together, i'm happy clapping.gif


QUOTE (RM4Life @ Jun 8 2008 6 26 PM) *
The comments she made may seem like opinions to you. But take in mind that she is one RM fan. There are other RM fans out there who analyze the matter and take into consideration about other things. You can't say yourself on whether they're facts or not. About Mike introducing his brother to Rainie was old news, so I'm sure you're not up-to-date about RM. So you can't say yourself with certainty about their actions and feelings. In the e-biz they are suppose to look like a couple, but it's not certain that they do everything because of that. How they treat eachother for the e-biz and how they treat eachother outside of the e-biz is either different or similar.


A fact is something that can't be disputed. The sky is blue is a fact.
Thinking that RM releasing books around the same time is a secret sign for their relationship is not a fact. It cannot be proven to be true. Thus it's an opinion.

No, I fear i'm not up to date with RM. I only know about that because it was in the news section of this site. He actually revealed this like a month ago when asked about his relationship with Rainie.
I just found it interesting that he would set her up with his brother, someone very dear to him, if he had ever had any romantic intentions towards her.

And I also read an article with Rainie the other day where she claimed she wants to be in a relationship and is looking for someone.

I already admitted I don't know how they feel about each other. Neither do you. No one does except them. But to analyze pictures/videos and say "Oh look, they smiled at each other! They are so in love" or "Look at the way he's holding her arm! It's so obvious!" is pretty crazy to me.

You've seen the way they treat each other outside of the entertainment world? How? You hang out with them?



QUOTE (RM4Life @ Jun 8 2008 6 26 PM) *
Again, I'm sorry on behalf of any of those RM fans who offend the other women that are paired with Mike and vice versa (Just wondering, are you a Mebe fan?). "She's ugly" and so on are offending comments. But I want to ask you a question... how is "I prefer him with Rainie" offending? Sure it must be annoying to you and others but you have to take into consideration that it's a person's opinion for pete's sake. Nothing can change it. And there was no intention of offence in those kind of comments.


I'm not a Mebe shipper, if that's what you meant. I watched BF and thought they were very good together. I also love how Mike and Ariel worked together and am a visitor of their thread.
I like that everyone is only there because they enjoyed what these two people brought to the drama and hope they work together again. They're not trying to get them together in real life or hoping they date. Rare but true.

Mike has been lucky to have worked well with all his female co-stars!

I just think it's rude to go somewhere where Mike and another lady are being discussed just to say "I prefer Mike with Rainie". It's pretty much spam. It has nothing to do with anything.
If the topic was "Who do you like Mike with" or "Who do you like Rainie with best" then yes, that would be appropriate.

And when you go to any Mike video or thread and you keep seeing this over and over, it gets tiring. Even when it's something that only has to do with Mike, they mention Rainie.
That's why I kind of feel bad for them because it follows them everywhere.


QUOTE (RM4Life @ Jun 8 2008 6 26 PM) *
But I can't take others (I wont say who... dry.gif ) who just basically bash that pairing with biased and immature posts. For example: "OMG I HATE Rainie and Mike together! They DON'T look good together!


This person, whom shall remain nameles, has an obvious bias againt Rainie. No point in answering them dry.gif
Asiul_
QUOTE (RM4Life @ Jun 8 2008 5 32 PM) *
I'm just wondering why the RM fans seem to be the main target to this criticism. I guess it feels good for you guys to vent your annoyance on the pairing we support. I just wonder why people would actually use up their time to make up this forum so they can post their annoyance, criticism, and ill-mannered opinion about it. Isn't there anything better to do then bash a pairing? blink.gif



Hmm... well that is your opinion against a lot of other who see the chemistry between them. It's Mike's choice on whom he likes. RM supporters know that but they're simply supporting the pairing they like. And even though it's your opinion, but unless you know Mike personally then I don't think you should immediately come to these abrupt and childish conclusion like "i dont thnk Mike He, a HOT GUY wud spend his time hanging around w/ a weird girl who grabs people's chest & scratch other people's faces!. Mike and Rainie have already stated that they still communicate with eachother. So that just proves that Mike likes spending his time with Rainie. You don't see him avoiding her don't you? dry.gif


woa, finally went through all those comments, dat was awlfully alot of comments and they were all long, lol

nah, RM fans arent da main target to this critiscism....only sum very ignorant ppl...so plz dun judge everyone who has posted...
i think u misunderstood sumthing.....this well, i wouldnt use da word, forum, since forum is da whole website, practically, so this section was made so ppl can post up their opinions of sum1/group.
if there is a lyk thread, why not a hate thread, so ppl can see if others feel da same. its lyk, why r u here?? its becoz u wanna see if there is sum1 u hate, isnt it?? then u r also there to criticise others, which means u r no differnt from others who criticise other celebs. cum on!! dun u hv a celeb u hate, but want to criticise them wid da rites to do so??

how do u know mike doesnt avoid rainie?? remember, da e biz is filled wid lies and other horrible stuff...they may only say dat to promote da couple and their series together. really, and swanprincess's so called,"conclusion" is just an inference. its not even a fact. she is just saying, a hot guy wouldnt want a girl touching their breasts and scratching their face wid their toenails.....as in, she reckons dat no one would lyk dat happening to them. reckons.......so, its not a fact, but a guess. seriously, would u lyk sum1 grabbing ur breasts and scratching ur face wid their toenails?? personally, i would be disgusted.
GF33
I think they have good onscreen chemistry, it's not something really impressive (like Mike & Ariel's) but to me, the chemistry they created was NOT worse than that in most of other TW dramas. And I liked their dramas, especially WWL, better than most of other TW dramas. I think those that say they have no chemistry whatsoever are somewhat biased for some reasons.

I enjoyed their offscreen interactions too, but I dont like RM as a reallife couple coz sometimes I find rainie too blunt, loud and not very smart (in her choice of words, her ways of answering interview questions etc.). I like someone more sensitive and considerate for Mike . I'm definitely not a rainie hater, I just dont think she and Mike match as a couple...I like their friendship though!

I dont think Mike's behaviors toward rainie are anything special and different , like what RM fans think. They are surely close and comfortable around each other, but I dont see anything other than friendship between them, (which I think is good as friendship is more likely to last)... and of course, it's not me to decide who Mike should be with, as long as that person makes him happy, I'll be happy for him.
AndLoveYelledNO
I agree GF

I don't really like those kiddy "cute couples". I like couples who create something special and real together. True passion.
Gibberish.
I don't think much of RM. I love Mike to death but seeing him with Rainie... well, I'm not much of her fan now. All right, I dislike her.

As much as I like Mike, I think some of the RM fans are being...overboard? When I was obsessed with Landy's songs, I went to check out her MVs. And I came across the one which Mike and her kissed from the start till the end of the MV.

Heck, I scrolled down the youtube comments and all I see are, "Mike is too good to be with her! She is so f*cking ugly!" or something like, "Rainie is soooo much hotter than her! Mike looks good only with Rainie!"

Seriously, Landy is nothing near to ugly. She's darn hot. But look at the comments. RM fans, or rather, (usually)it's just the Rainie fans actually, dissed other actresses that acted with Mike just because they think THEIR Rainie should be with HER Mike O.O they couldn't and won't be bothered adding that it's their opinion that Rainie is prettier/better/whatever positive things they can name than the actresses who acted with Mike. If you ask me, they simply stated it as if it's a FACT.

Anyway, I find RM lacking chemistry. No matter how I look Mike and Rainie just don't go together =S I prefer him with Ariel Lin actually tongue.gif I mean Love Contract was intense, much more than DBY was and...their relationship is deep, mutual and passionate? Well, I just sensed more chemistry anyway.

PS. I prefer Mike kissing Ariel or Landy, at least he doesn't look like he's kissing a robot. ><
dreami_babe
well, i heard that rainie and mike were a popular couple so saw one of their dramas but really i couldn't really "feel" much chemistry between them, even in their romantic scenes i can't feel many sparks between them and i have to agree there are other couples that show more chemistry than these two. maybe it's coz i never really liked rainie and mike kinda overdoes his expressions and doesn't really seems real...o well, onli ma opinion
*.marshmalloww
I don't like this couple, but I don't hate them either. I used to LOVEEEEE them to bits and pieces and loved them in both DBY and WWL; (but probably cuz I watched DBY late and WWL was already almost done airing when I finished DBY ^^). But yeah, now I don't really like them. A while after the dramas, I didn't really like them anymore. And I think I wouldn't have liked WWL if it wasn't for the fact that I watched it right after DBY (and DBY was pretty good) ; cuz WWL's story was just bLAHHH. Totally boring when I think back to it.
As for their looks, I think they're OKAY compatible actually, but I duno, I'm kinda bored of them now. Like, bored to the point where I probably wouldn't feel OOOO if I see them together again.
I LOVEE Mike, I don't like Rainie, but I don't hate here either, just have no feeling for her. Like I still listen to her songs and watch her movies. So I wouldn't not like this couple cuz of hatred for either of them.
So in conclusion, don't like them, but don't hate them.

QUOTE (RM4Life @ Jun 8 2008 12 32 AM) *
Hmm... just one advice: don't immediately judge a whole group of people based off interactions you've had with only a few RM fans. I admit and agree with you that some RM fans go off the chart when it comes to supporting their pairing. And since it seemed like it irritates you, I apologize to you on their behalf. You have to look at it in both ways... don't just be biased on your irritation or hatred for this pairing. Some of those "reasons" I agree might be too far-fetched that it's most likely based off of our opinions. But you can't just state that "they're just our opinions" as if it's a fact. Who is to say that some of our suspicions are correct?

And I really have to correct you on something that you think is an "important thing"... they're in the e-biz! The pressure from the e-biz is really frustrating so it's most likely the main reason why most people don't get together just like that. I hope I don't insult or upset anybody on this because I have no intention of offending anybody but... you know what happened to Vic and Barbie right? There's a huge possibility it could happen to others, too. That's why they try to keep their private life away from the public. Especially Rainie who is very pretty reserved. It's not like Rainie and Mike (or any couple from the e-biz for that matter) can just randomly blurt out "We're in love!" out loud without having the media down their throats. "Plain and simple..." whistle.gif

I must add... they had a 5 year promise where they said to eachother that they wont date in 5 years. And unless I'm not up-to-date, the 5 years is still not over. huh.gif

Again, I'm sorry if any RM fans annoyed you in any way. But we're just simply supporting the pairing in any way we can, it's not like we did anything bad to your like bashing your idol or something. There are a lot of other fans whom support other pairings and are equally as you say... "obsessive" (again, I don't think you should just label a supporting group because you obviously haven't interacted with enough RM fans to come to that abrupt conclusion dry.gif ) I'm just wondering why the RM fans seem to be the main target to this criticism. I guess it feels good for you guys to vent your annoyance on the pairing we support. I just wonder why people would actually use up their time to make up this forum so they can post their annoyance, criticism, and ill-mannered opinion about it. Isn't there anything better to do then bash a pairing? blink.gif

Okay, I'm sorry about this last comment but if others get to vent their annoyance then it's not like I can't. Sure, some RM fans can become "obsessive" about the RM pairing and it must be annoying in others views. But what's also annoying is that others would use up their time to post criticism about a pairing.

Well, I duno, I think everyone criticizes something at one point... like it's just expressing one's , opinions. Of course, some people go way too far and start INSULTING. But that's just their probably and u shud have the right to want to punch them in the face and kick them off the roof, but no use getting furious with them and replying them or something.
I know that this has been said already but just wanted to emphasize that the post you quoted DID NOT label that ALL fans are like that. I would hate that as well. But I feel that how people are tlkin about RM fans aren't like what you ASSUMED. It's actually REALLY true that fans can be really annoying because some DO bash people.
With the 5 years thing, I don't think that means anything at all. If they really did like each other, they wouldn't really wait 5 years; and they'd probably have some ambiguous friendship. Like being extra nice/sweet... or something.
yanghe
Hi everybody! I'm new in this thread and just wanna comment something about Rainie & Mike. First I have seen Love contract with Ariel, it was ok. Since then, i got very interested about Mike, since I found him really handsome, so I checked other TW dramas of his. I found that Mike made 2 dramas with Rainie, i first watch WWL, and got hooked to it. Actually, it's the only TW drama (aside from FTLY) that I watched. I really believed that they are the best couples I've seen ever yet (since I'm Korean dramas lover, i don't think love scenes in Korean dramas as as intense as RMs). So after WWL, I started DBY and they are again so good together. Until now, I'm still in my state of hoping that they would be pair up in the near future with much mature roles. In my opinion, WWL has better script than DBY, coz it has more deeper lesson & meaning even though I agree that DBY has more love scenes than WWL. I support RM fans.
alyssaloveu323
I really don't understand why u guys are fighting about this topic.
Some ppl think that they don't have any chemistry, and others think that they do have.
In my opinion, they DO have. But, that's just MY OPINION (no hard feeling).
If you guys don't like rainie or mike, u guys don't need to insult them. LOL

FYI, Mike already stated that he likes working with rainie, and rainie is his favorite leading lady.
(I know that that doesn't mean they're dating)
//* tzeyuen
i support RM~
well,
1. i think they have superb chemistry [on-screen & off-screen]
2. they look very good together and are very sweet!

QUOTE (alyssaloveu323 @ Aug 25 2008 6 43 AM) *
FYI, Mike already stated that he likes working with rainie, and rainie is his favorite leading lady.
(I know that that doesn't mean they're dating)


haha this is so cute! i didnt know this. but i did hear of it. [i thought they would look cute dating together though..]

*ok. bash me up*
AndLoveYelledNO
No one is bashing anyone here. One person got a little heated but she apologized.
People, this is the critics section and you all know what you will find here. Criticism is not the same as bashing or insulting, although sometimes the line gets crossed.

Fans come here and then debates occur. There's nothing wrong with that. In fact, it can usually be very interesting.

I think too many times couples are chosen based on looks alone. And it really is surprising how many people seem to only care about that. But two attractive people put together doesn't always guarantee chemistry.
alyssaloveu323
haha this is so cute! i didnt know this. but i did hear of it. [i thought they would look cute dating together though..]

*ok. bash me up*
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yup! super cute! and in one interview they asked rainie who is the best kisser for her, and she replied "mike he", and mike said that rainie's lips 34D him! thumbsup.gif LOL

I saw it in a magazine, but you can search it here in asianfanatics about the interview.... 1.gif
viva_lang
I don't really like Rainie nor Mike

Mike is just typical idol actor..and rainie..she's horrible.
at lease, mike isn't that bad in acting..he's so so
I can't stand the rainie because of her fake cute acting
applesiliver
their chemistry isn't as strong as some other couples on-screen.
personally, I don't like Rainie yang at all
can't stand her fake cuteness and acting
Hope Mike will not work w/ her anymore
ac_ac
I love this couple as much as I love Ming Dao - Joe Chen, Ethan Ruan - Joe Chen, Ariel Lin - Joe Cheng and Mike He - Ariel Lin (even if LC sometimes is really boring when Ariel and Mike arent on screen together and when there wasnt Mike). I havent watched BF, I cant say about Hebe and Mike.

I think I love Mike and Rainie more offscreen than on screen because they are lively. I see that they are there to amuse with viewers, with hosts, with every body and not only stars who do their job. Even though they need to improuve their acting skill alot, being as good as tragic scenes of Joe Chen, and Ariel Lin, and acting as just (without overact) as Ming Dao, I still support them and hope to see their new series/movies
Cherena
I mean they're an okay pairing but I just really don't like Rainie or the character she plays. She just always seems like a really helpless girl. I don't know why but there's just something about her that I just really don't like. sweat.gif
kixsy
i'm really not into this pairing.
they just didn't spark anything in me.
it was like watching a grown man with an 8 y/o 0_0
i just have this thing against rainie.
as much as possible, when i see her name i try to stay a good ten feet away.
but seeing mike was in it, i though i'd give them a shot.
but seriously, i just can't digest seeing them both on screen.
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