ONE---ALL GOD DAMN MEDALS COUNT...TO AN ATHLETE ALL MEDALS COUNT

TWO--WHO CARES IF SOME ATHLETE MAKES YOU PROUD TO BE "SO-AND SO", TO THAT PERSON...HE HAS JUST WON A MEDAL

THREE---Look at the REAL medal table -live urls are not allowed in your usergroup- Factor in POPULATION AND GDP, AND CONSIDER THE FACT THAT ATHLETICS IS STATE RUNNED IN CHINA....


Realize this: that the United States plays better at team sports....of course when the Majority of your athletes play in individual sports...Then they will tend to win more medals. Team Sports only count as ONE medal. The U.S. RULES at team sports. Realize that during the 2002 world cup, the Chinese media claimed China had a chance at the trophy, onlyl to see the Chinese national team get it's ass whooped by Costa Rica.

FOUR---WHEN YOU HAVE BILLIONS OF DAMNED PEOPLE, YOU WILL HAVE MORE ATHLETES AMONG THE POPULATION.

CHINA has SIX! SIX! 6 times the Population of the U.S.....YET Why didnt't the Chinese win SIX times the medals?!?!?....FACTOR IN PERCAPITA.......The U.S. HAS WON MORE MEDALS WITH LESS PEOPLE........The U.S. is ranked 37 In per capita medal table... China is ranked VERY GODMANED LOW....



http://www.symworld.com/medals/index.php?sort=totalnormal

lol so true they got more population than us but still didn't beat us in the medal count so they made up excuse to rank it by gold. sad

Like seriously, I have no problem with China ranking ahead and total medals also, if there ever do that. But people have to realize WHY...

Chinese athletics is state runned and geared toward individual Olympic medals...

while for the U.S. where do most of our athletes go to? the NFL, Hockey, Baseball, all those sports are team sports and american-centric....with the exception of Hockey.

And to all those saying that the U.S. men's football team s*ck: they sure as hell would beat China.

BTW I liked your response to someone claiming you should be proud of your heritage more.

Yeah. you should remember where you come from, but also realize where you currently are AT.

To be honest, I really don't mind China or the US proclaiming themselves Olympic medal winners and I don't think I argued for either side in AF. My biggest issue is Dyluck and his idiotic behavior in this entire ordeal.

To me, winning any medal in these games is a great accomplishment. Heck, even qualifying to be in these games is an honor.

To qualify is an honour, hell yeah.

And winning isn't about everything, yes gold is great and everything. It isn't just CHINA who ranks the medals by the Gold. even poor lil australia this time did for all its major newspaper, RANK BY GOLD... as this is what most people care of course...

US ranks by total to make themselves 1st, that is ok, I mean, other countries go and divide it into population to this and to that.. rank by BRONZE... wateva, that is fine. But most countries does it by gold...

And to divide it to per person is a bit weird to say the truth... the olympic team can only have so many people go in and qualify for it, only so many people can compete for that medal there is only a certain amount of gold you can win... or silver or bronze... only 1 team if allowed to qualify in each country in like syncr diving and gymnastics.. and only 2 per country allowed in finals, eg diving and gymnastics? so you can't say that diving per person is the great way..

of course, i won't mind... it makes australia in the top 5 =) (4th i think...)
ranking by gold = china 1st
total of medal = 2nd = china
amount of ppl = australia 4th

it is always a win win situation for me... haha

AFAIK the medals have always been sorted with gold medals first. Quickest place to see this is wikipedia http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Summer_O...ics_medal_table at the bottom theres links to the medal standings of all the previous games.

Also countries don't win the olympics, atheletes do so medal standings shouldn't mean a thing.

A statistics generated medal table like this is not the "real" medal table. The medal table is the one shown on tv, internet and newspapers.
The Olympics is not about countries competing with their population and GDP statistics and then saying: 'look we got more medals than u and we have less people or less money'

The topic starter using this table to make the point of China being inferior to the US is sad and immature.

And Re dyluck:
If you still can't accept that China got more gold medals than the US you can search around the internet to find out that most of the world ranks the medal table by golds, and that this has been how they ranked the medal tables in past Olympics as well.

absolutely true i agree with you 100% on this one



more or less a rehash of your first quote, but yes i agree with that too redundant as it may be.



this is where you became misguided in your argument, i believe. you commence your argument seemingly of something noble, that it does not matter what kind of medal is won, because athletes should be rewarded and recognised for their achievement. then after that you directly contradict yourself by arguing why USA should be ranked higher than China in the medal tally.

what was the point of this argument? i thought it does not matter what ranking a nation has placed on the medal tally, because individuals are recognised regardless of this position. why then would you offer an argument to suggest who should be on top?

the medal tally is an arbitrary ranking system. there is no official criteria as to how each countries should be ranked, it is just arbitrarily set so that on the basis of compiling statistics, there is a way of representing the data in an appropriate order. theres probably many ways of ranking the medal tally, all of them on arbitrary grounds. the reason why nobody thinks up some sort of official ranking scheme is probably because the olympic spirit is not something that involves people from a country gloating over people from other countries about how much better they are in sports



by this logic, India should also be up there on the medal tally? hmmm, why aren't they.. they also have billions of "damned" people right?



say what you want about the intelligence of posters in asianfanatics, but it doesn't take a genius to learn to use either bold or italics script to emphasise a point.

wow...big argument in here. but anyway...I'm chinese and of course i'm happy for China to top the medal table this time in the olympics, it doesn't mean they'll do it again but at least they did!

and there's no problem with having the most ppl in population but how many talented ppl yuu have. so of course hands over heads to the Americans for having so many talented athletes such as Phelps and Nastia Lukin!

No problem at all!

Wow, you do your whole olympic rankings like korea. Cause they count it by population/medal ratio too. lol.

Every country ranks it differently to put themselves in first place. I remember last Olympics or something, USA ranked it by gold, and showed themselves at the number one spot. But this year, they didn't have as much gold, so they ranked it by total medals, and still showed themselves at the number one spot....

Honestly, it shouldn't be about the countries, it should just be about the athletes themselves.

^agreed^

Wow, obviously, you like the Korean ranking system. No offense, its not about winning or losing. The objective of the Olympics is to put all differences aside and compete in a healthy environment. The only people would would say that medals count by population are those who living in an isolated areas. Athletes are not trained from the day they were born, theres a choice whether you want to pursue it or not. Its not like every country goes out hunting for athletes to show off at the Olympics, so the population count is crap. If you are talking about the Korean way of 'counting medals', why not consider the wealth statues of each country? Only a small (I mean very small) percentage of China live the cities or the suburbs; most of them are farmers and underclass citizens. Those who are poor and cannot get the same opportunities as those who lives the city life, should THEY be counted also in this so-called "fair-population-per-square-km"?

What you are saying is just makes that country a sore-loser, most people would laugh at something like that. I would have just sucked it up and practice harder for the next 4 years.

I bet u China will top the gold medal stand again next time, and maybe just maybe even the total medal count. BUT i bet u america will try to say they have more silver/ bronze or whatever to make themselves look better. america is embarrassing themselves with such poor sportsmanship

This is still a matter of opinion. Americans aren't as half of bad as some of the other countries. Some European countries are putting all European medals together to try to stick themselves in the lead. Others, like Korea, uses medals/population-per-square-kilometer. And I am sure Americans will not do that in the future. One of the positives I have found is great sportsmanship among American athlete. Torres for example, went to a judge when a fellow competitor's swimsuit ripped. She could have easily taken the advantage and still won first place, but she helped her out instead.

wow. hey, big misconception. I didn't mean that the medals should be counted in a what you (and the others who misunderstood me, I beg your pardon) say as a fair-population-per-square-km system or the Korea system...(to be honest I didn't even know the Koreans had this system!

anyhoo...what I meant was, people shouldn't say that...(well they could say if they want to but in my opinion...) just because a country has a big population...than it means that they should win more as it only depends on the amount of talented athletes they had.

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For example: China has 6 times the population of the US. But the amount of Athletes that had successfully won medals altogether was less than the US. And the Chinese acknowledge that. They have never said they were better than the US. There's always ups and downs in the medal table. This time China was 1st. Next time the US might be first. There's nothing wrong with celebrating their achievements is there?

Well, maybe you should take a countries wealth and opportunity into consideration. I mean, most of the Chinese are living in poverity and cannot get the same chances of training as those living in the city. No offense, counting population is just a way showing off a sore-loser. :\ If you lost, accept it and just find better athletes and train for the next four years. The way of counting medals has been astablished since the 1800's, why not just go along with it and realize their skills are just aren't as polished

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean because I am going along with the medals table and I wasn't counting their population as a reason to have more athletes winning. I was trying to convey the opposite message in fact! hahah!

Since every competition is counted, therefore, i think every medal is also counted.

Yes, every medal is accounted for, but these atheletes play for the gold. It's great to qualify and not to discredit the silver and the bronze, but it's the gold that everyone is playing for.

Therefore it really should be ranked in golds, because well, that is what everyone is playing for. If you're just happy to be at the Olympics, then maybe you don't qualify for competitive sports on a world stage. To work your ass off to win the gold, is to win for the people of the world, to show how the gold is earned after hardwork, perserverance and dedication.

I sympathise with the silver and bronze winners, but all the silver and bronze winners would tell you of course they'd rather take gold. Whether it's important or not is irrelevant since gold is what everyone is competing for.

this is soo funny.. i have read it somewhere as well.. criticizing US for arranging the list according to total medal won instead of the traditional rank according to the number of Gold medals won..

well.. guess it's to boost morale.. but it's still funny..

well....atm with the paralympics China, is currently first with the most gold....and that is definitely an achievement!

most gold is the winner...

Darn Americans can be arrogrant, not like they wouldn't rank it by gold if they actually WON the most gold medals..

And wth are you doing comparing how many medals should won due to population? If thats the case, why don't we strip away all our technology, professionals just to make it fair on a country like Fiji...You can't compare like that, if you do then every smaller country with a smaller population and a big disadvantage will attempt to put themselves first by assuming that Amercia, China and etc wouldn't have won half as many medals if they didn't have all their tech, facilities..