QUOTE (angelazangel @ Jun 29 2009 8 52 AM)

well, i did say it was just my opinion...u think yamapi's better than how i thought about him? fine, that's how u feel, why should u even take some1 else's opinions seriously? n yes, i wasn't offended by ur comments about kame, afterall, it's just ur opinion, n i don't care about other ppl's opinions, so why should u?
to me, yamapi isn't very good, just very average n is definitely a worse actor than kame & jun! under-rated? hardly, many would agree he's way too over-rated! again, that's just my opinion, like how u were expressing ur own opinion.
n yes, i have seen alot of yamapi's dramas...n i still think he's average...i think he only got lucky he scored a more "favored" character in nobuta, n that gave him a big leeway...what about u? how many dramas have u seen of kame & jun's? or have u only seen very few of theirs? have u seen kame's 'yuuki'? or jun's recent 'smile' drama? or his recent drama sp for the 24hr tv? i doubt it...their roles in those dramas were very different n more in-depth...maybe u should watch those, it would give u a better picture of kame & jun's acting skills.
upon 1st glance, domyoji may seem as just a jerk, but his character is much deeper than that, n only jun would've been able to pull it off. expressionless? i think not, i really would like to see yamapi play that role...seriously, if he had played the role of domyoji, he probably would've done a much worse job. oh and yes, that's just my "opinion", but i'm sure many ppl would agree with me on that anyway =P
i don't understand why ur being so defensive over my opinions, when u clearly realize it's just my opinions...oh n mind u, alot of ppl would disagree w/ u about ur comments on kame & jun's acting abilities, i can assure u, only hardcore yamapi fans would feel that way about him.
at least there's many ppl who aren't even fans of either jun or kame can see their acting talents...only hardcore yamapi fans would think so highly of his average acting skills.
again, just my own "opinion"...u know, i just don't understand sum ppl...they get so defensive over sum opinion from others, then they voice their opinions n criticize another artist n then making a comment saying that ppl wouldn't be "offended" by it...well, yeah, i wouldn't be offended, it's just the opinion of others...i mean, i'm not offended by yamapikawai's criticisms of jun & kame, cuz afterall, it's just her opinions, so why should any yamapi fans be offended by whatever i said? besides, it's not like i was down-right bashing him or anythin'...but giving my honest opinion.
yes, ofcourse im going to take everyones opinions seriously, why else was this forum made in the first place? to share and discuss each others opinions..
and im definately going to take offence when you say he's under rated, cos that translates to him not being liked by you and the majority of people that watch his shows, and you don't know that, so i suggest you stop pulling random made up statistics from out of the blue. your opinion isn't everyone elses, so i suggest you stop speaking on behalf of other fans, which i assure you, if given the opportunity to compare jun, kame and yamapi would with hesitation, go for yamapi, then again, i dont know that do i? so im not going to say its 100% factual. So as for being over or under rated, judging by the comments here and fans on facebook, i'd say yamapis won this battle. but then again, thats just our opinion (us being 20, 000 people)

i doubt you've seen that many dramas starring yamapi, else you wouldnt be having this opinion that you so passionately insist on. lucky to get akira in nobuta?
you must be joking, yamapis talent is countless, he protrays so many different characters excellently, and completely fooled me as the tipsy akira in nobuta, i dont think hes lucky, i know producers needed someone with real talent to be able to pull that off, and really excel at it.
Meanwhile, kame ofcourse got the main part of the shuuji and to be frank that didnt need any talent or skill, which is probably why kame got the role. it takes real talent and major skill to change yourself and put yourself in the character of dopey akira, and thats why yamapi got it.. whoever calls that luck is trying to give an excuse as to why kame didnt get it.. it was 'luck' so yamapi got it and it gave him a leeway, no it wasnt luck. it was purely that yamapis better an actor, meaning kame got the knockout role as shuuji, be it hard to believe or not, i think japanese producers would know more than you. but.. you shouldnt take offence to that right?, im just stating what i feel should be stated, no?
and yes, as a matter of fact, i've seen both shows yuuki & smile! dont be too quick to underestimate me, and having seen them, it only just proves my point. why?
kames actions in yuuki were nothing of what they should have been! he's a very cold actor, and i repeat, his face is disproportionate (in my opinion) and he probably should get that checked before starring in drams like yuuki, who need passionate actors to really feel what its like to be yuuki, and therefore protray the character much better than kame has!
as for smile.. i admit, jun's acting was a notch better than kame's, goodness knows that. which is why smiles probably much more known and liked in japan. but i mean, jun's character is meant to be one who smiles through good and bad, and most of the time watching it i felt that he wasnt up to it, he didnt really feel it. had yamapi or maybe oguri shun taken that role, the drama wouldve have been a must watch. and as domyouji, i appreciated what jun was trying to do, but he couldnt fool me with his childish behavior, yamapi would have been able to show us what domyouji was really like.. in his own ways.. domyouji IS in fact a childish and short tempered man .. but jun didnt do it quite as i expected .. and yamapis standards (i believe) are hgher than his.. had yamapi received that role, it would have been harder for jun to live up to it and become a better Domyouji. and im fully supported when i say that, by many yamapi fans.
..so having seen those dramas, and the rest of their quite normal shows.. there really isnt any reason why theyre bombarded with fans here and there, and the shows i've seen of theirs only proved my point, and only made me believe their lack of talent even more.. but thats just the way i feel.. to each his own isnt it? everyone entitled to their own opinion... but what is it you're going on about.. only hardcore yamapi fans? be they hardcore or not, its quite clear how talented he is.. it doesnt take a fan to realise it.. one look at jun or kame would turn the majority of people off.. seeing yamapi though, in many of his characters and roles gives us an insight of what real talent is. and what real skill is. and that makes regular non fans in to obssessive hardcore fans, such as myself.. and there is no such thing as a regular yamapi fan.. all of them are hardcore.. why? because anyone who sees him would completely fall in loe with him and his skill. so all his fans are hardcore. find me any hardcore jun/ kame fans, if they do exist, theyr the minority of people who watch j-dramas. yet any yamapi fan would think that much of him, as expected of such a high standard entertainer.
as for the other two.. theres not much to say.. if you call yamapis skill average no ones going to let it slip because youre telling us not to take offence, as you slowly insult him .. stating youre opinion doesnt mean you had to cause such a riot. well between us your so called opinion was pretty hardcore, for a supporter of such unworthy actors.
even jun admitted himself that johnny-san only recruited him cos of his looks, and not of his talent. as his singing/acting really do bite. johnny himself knows that. and opinions dont get any better than him eh? hes the big guy, the mastermind isnt he? and even he can tell.
so yes, im only being defensive when i believe defense is necessary, im sorry, but if my opinion needs to be recognised this way, then this way it shall be, i tell you, there are probably so many other people reading this and taking one side, either mine or yours. but thats why this forum exists, had it not, i wouldnt have known your 'opinion' of yamapi right?
although your opinion was quite the insulting one, to me and probably yamapi, should he ever read this forum.