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jackkool
Having traveled in a fair few countries mostly asian, namely India, Nepal ,Thailand , Brunei and Philippines I have encountered very little racism that Iam aware of . One of the impressions that I got is the lighter the skin the beautiful the person is and the darker the skin the uglier the person. I live in England which is a very multicultural place especially London. It would be great if races mixed more with each other. innocent.gif clapping.gif
Vangel330
I think people in the asian cultures get their prejudicial ideas on black people from tv and media. Most of the time they think of black people as violent and rude. some of the older generations are realy against them. they would not let their children marry blacks. I had a friend that had to always hide her bf because he's black and her parents hate him. for the younger generation, color is not a problem anymore. I'm pretty suprised u encountered little racism in asian countries, do u visit their big cities? because i'm asian and they def can tell that i'm from america and tey constantly look at you like u from another planet.
kallie616
QUOTE (Vangel330 @ Feb 6 2005 3 45 PM)
I'm pretty suprised u encountered little racism in asian countries, do u visit their big cities?  because i'm asian and they def can tell that i'm from america and tey constantly look at you like u from another planet.
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Funny u say that... I'm Black.. and when i went to China i had people coming up to me wanting to take pictures and touch my hair. I didnt mind, it made me feel like a celeb..strange i know but at least they were polite.
jackkool
QUOTE (kallie616 @ Mar 4 2005 1 05 AM)
Funny u say that... I'm Black.. and when i went to China i had people coming up to me wanting to take pictures and touch my hair. I didnt mind, it made me feel like a celeb..strange i know but at least they were polite.
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Hey...wow another black person on af.
I didn't have any problems really in the big cities I went to.
I had a little bit of the same thing in Leh a small town in the himalayas .
I was sitting in the cafe with another black guy from france and two white german girls.
There must have been at least 30 people watching it was really funny. I didn't mind they were just curious.
OoOo its emmy
I dont mind black people at all. Although, i dont have any black friends except only one. I would like to make more of them but its hard for me because i used to think theyre mean =/ but it was just how i saw it.
jackkool
QUOTE (emerika66 @ Mar 4 2005 3 57 AM)
I dont mind black people at all. Although, i dont have any black friends except only one. I would like to make more of them but its hard for me because i used to think theyre mean =/ but it was just how i saw it.
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I am glad that you changed for the better. Its fine that you have only have one black friend even if you didn't have any black friends at all, it wouldn't be a big deal. It depends where you live and if you have anything in common with the other person that will determine who your friends are.
kallie616
[quote=emerika66,Mar 3 2005 10 57 PM]
I dont mind black people at all. Although, i dont have any black friends except only one. I would like to make more of them but its hard for me because i used to think theyre mean =/ but it was just how i saw it.


Dont feel bad i don't have any asian friends...i would love to have one though....or atleast someone that shares my love for Asians dramas...and Asian men laugh.gif
Chocochip31
Having lived in LA most of my life, I am shocked to find that people in HK are very afraid of black people. I recently went to HK and when my relatives and I were strolling around Tsim Sha Tsui, they told me that they were afraid even though the blacks were not doing anything worth being scared about. They were just walking pass us. I guess it's because HK people don't see blacks much.
kamii
well i am very racist and crack jokes about people from different races all the time. I hav all asian friends except a few white. I myself am asian and i always crack racist jokes about aborigines, aussies and blacks!! hehe
kallie616
QUOTE (kamii @ Mar 14 2005 3 28 AM)
well i am very racist and crack jokes about people from different races all the time.  I hav all asian friends except a few white.  I myself am asian and i always crack racist jokes about aborigines, aussies and blacks!!  hehe
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Thats nice to know. I have friends that are exactly the same.
Funny.. their the first ones to crack jokes on others, and also the first ones to become upset when someone says something about their race. Are you just like that? if so... thats rather sad.
diary
This topic reminds me of Frantz Fanon's "Black Skin, White Mask".

Personally, I don't have a problem with black people in Canada. I think in general, they're very nice ppl, just like me! heheheh. However, I must admit that when I go to the U.S., I will be very careful around black people. Having said that, I don't know if I can still call myself antiracist. When I'm in parts of U.S., I do feel threaten around some black people. That's only in U.S., never happened in Canada.

As for being beautiful. I don't think it's the lighter skin the better. I think some black males can be very attractive. They're very tall, and I like tall ppl!! And I think their skin colour is good too because they didn't go through all those stupid tannning to get that colour, it's very natural.

With regards to the jokes, it's very annoying. People not only joke about the Black people, but also others, like Italian, the FrenchCanadians, etc. I don't think that's very acceptable. I remember I heard these jokes in junior high school. I just didn't understand what the teacher was thinking because he was the one telling all these jokes.

I hope my views on the Black americans will change in the future, but I think it would be very difficult.

I just have a question. Is it alright to call black ppl black? or is it more appropriate to call them africans? I hear lots of other names for them, like person, etc. Which one is the most appropriate? I really want to know.

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kallie616
QUOTE (diary @ Mar 14 2005 3 25 PM)
I hope my views on the Black americans will change in the future, but I think it would be very difficult.

I just have a question.  Is it alright to call black ppl black? or is it more appropriate to call them africans? I hear lots of other names for them, like person, etc.  Which one is the most appropriate? I really want to know.

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Hi, Well i'm here to say not all Black people in American are bad. I think it depends on the neighborhood you go to.... because i myself watch out for certain neighborhoods in NYC and i'm black. I actually feel safer sometimes in a "black neighborhood" (depends on the time of day). i use the quotes around this becuz many of the so-called black/hispanic neighborhoods are changing... they have many other races moving in.

Well if u need at least one Black American to change your opinion of us.. you can always chit chat with me. =0)

To answer your question... I would rather be called Black American....because as my White African friend puts it... "Your not from Africa.. nor have you even been".
She gets upset sometimes because she was born and raised there.. and can't understand why here in America..she's not consider an African American.
kamii
well i am very racist crack racist jokes all the time......

people always crack asian jokes at me too but its funny, no need to stress over things u can't change. i mean once when my friends were talking about something some1 said its $20 or something. And i was like "$20!?!?" Every1 looked at me, and then one of my friends just said "he's asian" as if to explain my stinginess. haha
jackkool
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I think some black males can be very attractive.  They're very tall, and I like tall ppl!!


What a pity I am already married you and me could get together eyebrowes.gif:
just kidding! just kidding!

I have never been to the states diary, but I dont think its unusual for anybody to feel threatened if they are passing through a rough neighbourhood, or a intimidating gang of people, that are a different race from their own.
Hey as a young black male, white women, asian women etc tend to clutch their hand bags as I walk past... come to think of it....black women do the same to. loool.gif
Well as my friend from nigeria put it
I look like I am going to *bust* someone up when I walk down the road and its definitely not the case I would ever *bust* anyone up, Iam just being confident when I walk down the road. My wife says I am gentle giant... honest its true innocent.gif

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I hope my views on the Black americans will change in the future, but I think it would be very difficult.


Of course, I dont know you diary but when ever you post on any of my topics or other topics, you're very opened minded, I am sure it won't be that difficult for you to change your opinion, I think you have to give each person you come into contact with the benefit of the doubt. People are always saying to me how surprised they are that I've been to asia and I am so passive. If you put people in a collective group and think that they all the same then you don't get to interact with kallie or myself or anybody like us. who are not bad people. Again its best to treat the person as a individual in there own right.

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diary
Oh, of course not all of them are bad. The problem is that I'm not familiar with the Black American culture, so I don't really know which are good or bad. So, I just try to be careful around all of them. Not trying to be mean or anything.

QUOTE (kallie616 @ Mar 15 2005 12 56 AM)
Hi, Well i'm here to say not all Black people in American are bad. I think it depends on the neighborhood you go to.... because i myself watch out for certain neighborhoods in NYC and i'm black.  I actually feel safer sometimes in a  "black neighborhood" (depends on the time of day).  i use the quotes around this becuz many of the so-called black/hispanic neighborhoods are changing... they have many other races moving in.
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haahahaa. That's too bad. hahaha. Your wife must be lucky.

Yes, I know, and that's what I encourage others to do too. But it's hard, especially when I'm just visiting that place, not familiar with the surroundings and etc. I'm trying!

QUOTE (jackkool @ Mar 15 2005 7 18 AM)
What a pity I am already married you and me could get together  eyebrowes.gif:
just kidding! just kidding!

If you put people in a collective group and think that they all the same then you don't get to interact with kallie or myself or anybody like us. who are not bad people. Again its best to treat the person as a individual in there own right.

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jackkool
QUOTE (kamii @ Mar 15 2005 2 42 AM)
well i am very racist crack racist jokes all the time......

people always crack asian jokes at me too but its funny, no need to stress over things u can't change.  i mean once when my friends were talking about something some1 said its $20 or something.  And i was like "$20!?!?"  Every1 looked at me, and then one of my friends just said "he's asian" as if to explain my stinginess. haha
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......Hmmm you know kamii I have been thinking about this for a few days

I am not really convinced that you are a racist

Analysing your words you say " Every1 looked at me, and then one of my friends just said "he's asian" as if to explain my stinginess. haha"

Not only can you laugh at yourself which is a rare quality your statement also suggests you have friends which are not asian.
I need confirmation from you of course.
But the very fact that you have friends that may not be asian, that you are accepting
a non asian as your friend, is a factor that convinces me that you are not a racist.
What you are.. is unsure, curious and ignorant just like me

This is what you told me before.

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but jackkool u aske me y i was racist? I don't noe, i was brought up that way, my parents are racists, they see absolutely nothin wrong with being racist! I come from a traditional chinese background family.....even my grandma is really racist!


Once again I applude you for being honest, you say there that they see absolutely nothing wrong with being racist!
but do you?
My feeling is that you do know its wrong. You tell racist jokes but are you really a racist? Are you sure....
of course you make the point. here

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And every1 is racist a bit......some of my friends deny it but most of us are pretty open about it. We're racist.......but so are most people! They either deny it or don't really know it!

Here is the whole thread for anybody who wants to view.
http://asianfanatics.net/forum/index.php?s...62&#entry775862
I think your last quote is very true, its within all of us. But a lot of us realise that feeling is wrong and combat it

I am just not getting the feeling that you really dislike someone because
of the colour of their skin or where they are from.

Are you sure...
you can never like someone who is of a different colour .
What do you think of me and kallie do you think that we are bad people based purely on
what colour we are?

Thanks for replying last time kamii it would be good if you can reply again.
kamii
Well i am pretty racist, and i noe it.....all my friends noe i'm racist. I'm not like extremely racist but.....i'm just prejudice towards people of different colors. hehe.

And yes i do hav friends who are not asians. I hav a few white friends, but mostly asian. I am racist to all types of people, to anyone, just depends on situation.

I see some vietnamese man spitting on the ground "f*cking viets spitting everywhere, go home"

I see some black guy run really fast "f*cking blacks, they're like animals"

I see my shanghainese friend eat really hot steaming noodles really quickly "f*cking shanghainese man, eat anything"
jackkool
QUOTE (kamii @ Mar 18 2005 5 52 AM)
Well i am pretty racist, and i noe it.....all my friends noe i'm racist.  I'm not like extremely racist but.....i'm just prejudice towards people of different colors.  hehe.

And yes i do hav friends who are not asians.  I hav a few white friends, but mostly asian.  I am racist to all types of people, to anyone, just depends on situation.

I see some vietnamese man spitting on the ground "f*cking viets spitting everywhere, go home"

I see some black guy run really fast "f*cking blacks, they're like animals"

I see my shanghainese friend eat really hot steaming noodles really quickly "f*cking shanghainese man, eat anything"
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Well you have friends which are not asian they are white I think thats a good start.
i dont think you are friends with them because they are white. I think you are friends with them because you have something in common. Your chinese but you saying
"f*cking shanghainese man, eat anything" is not really racist because shanghai is in china. The other two statements are racist, besides there is a lot of people thinking the same as this but without the guts to say it.
You cant see me or kallie but again what do you think of us?
Are we bad people?
thienhavodich
in my culture..vietnam...at least my parents dont want me to marry balck guy but i don't see any reason. in my opinion...black people are as normal as others...i dont know why some people are sooo mean to themmm down.gif
DriftAholiC
I think blacks are ok, although some of them can tend to be really un-mature and some are really rude but not all of them, I give everyone equal views, as long as they show me a good side i'm cool with them, heck I got friends that are black lots too, in terms of our culture though in my generation we dont really think too much of them as ugly or low classed compare to us, but the older generations ones probably way back from my parents probably see them as a disgrace although I dont know why.
kamii
Jackkool,

Yea its not so much that i think that blacks or any other race are rude or whatever. But they are just different so u make fun of them hehe!! I don't think that u or kallie are bad people......just blak people. I see some1 and he is different color and i admit they are different color. I'm not like those people who lie and say "well there's nothing different about him/her". But for me if ur black ur black if ur white ur white......
kallie616
QUOTE (DriftAholiC @ Mar 20 2005 2 04 PM)
I think blacks are ok, although some of them can tend to be really un-mature and some are really rude but not all of them
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I think a lot of black people are seen as rude because most of the time they feel they have to defend themselves from something or someone...A lot of them assume right away that your gonna be rude or racist towards them so they react first. Yea it maybe wrong, but when someone or some group of people constantly view you negatively, your bound to react the same way.

It could be that they just say what's on their minds...and just don't care about what you think. My best friend is like that...well most of my "group" are like that. We don't hide our feelings no matter what.. and we aren't sugar coating it for anyone.

You just have your rude people in this world...but that can be any race...i've met rude white people...rude asian people..and rude black people....i dont think race really determines whether or not the person is rude. Some people just don't have good home training.
diary
Oh, I didn't Vietnam was like that too. I'm not sure about other cultures, but for a lot of Chinese, marrying black people is almost like a taboo.

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QUOTE (thienhavodich @ Mar 19 2005 6 35 PM)
in my culture..vietnam...at least my parents dont want me to marry balck guy but  i don't see any reason. in my opinion...black people are as normal as others...i dont know why some people are sooo mean to themmm down.gif
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jackkool
QUOTE (kamii @ Mar 21 2005 4 37 AM)
Jackkool,

Yea its not so much that i think that blacks or any other race are rude or whatever.  But they are just different so u make fun of them hehe!!  I don't think that u or kallie are bad people......just blak people.  I see some1 and he is different color and i admit they are different color.  I'm not like those people who lie and say "well there's nothing different about him/her".  But for me if ur black ur black if ur white ur white......
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Well again, your honest. From looking at all what you've said, you make fun of everybody black, white, chinese, and other asians, you laugh at jokes directed towards yourself.
But when people are making fun of you and your laughing.
Are you sure they are laughing with you or at you.
The problem is all these jokes give a really negative view of races and enforces stereotyping. You might think its doing no harm at the moment but can you imagine if everybody started doing this

I have said previously that a chinese person gets a very hard time here in the UK.
Calling a chinese person chinky, ching chong, or chink is not seen as bad or racist at all.
It seems to be quite acceptable to make fun of their eyes, and language and colour, culture.
I have seen this done by both black , white and indian people.
I think its racist and unacceptable. Do you?

These links below show shaq making racial tuants or so called jokes towards
yao ming

http://www.asianweek.com/2003_01_03/sports_yaoming.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2005Feb19.html

It was rabbitinpumpkin that first made me aware of this, it recieved no coverage in the UK at all. I mean basketball is not popular here, but I would have expected to hear something.
Here's Shaq defending his comments
http://espn.go.com/nba/news/2003/0110/1490645.html
Yao has really been very good about this I feel.
Do you think Shaq comments were acceptable? I dont. I think more disturbing is the fact that he was not punished and that his comments are accepted in the media.
http://espn.go.com/talent/danpatrick/s/200...16/1493940.html

What if I started cracking a few jokes about chinese and other asians in this forum, I think people would be angry and rightly so.

Many people in this forum have been hurt by these kind of jokes directed at them by other races.

Again I say, when people are making these jokes about you and your laughing also are they laughing at you or with you?
foo33333
In my opinion... right now... every cities in asia(HK, Tokyo, and so on), teen/adult are more into HIP HOP culture... I think black pplz gettin much more respect.. HEY.. wat else? ~ BLACK POWER!! YO!! clapping.gif
kamii
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Well again, your honest. From looking at all what you've said, you make fun of everybody black, white, chinese, and other asians, you laugh at jokes directed towards yourself.
But when people are making fun of you and your laughing.
Are you sure they are laughing with you or at you.
The problem is all these jokes give a really negative view of races and enforces stereotyping. You might think its doing no harm at the moment but can you imagine if everybody started doing this

I have said previously that a chinese person gets a very hard time here in the UK.
Calling a chinese person chinky, ching chong, or chink is not seen as bad or racist at all.
It seems to be quite acceptable to make fun of their eyes, and language and colour, culture.
I have seen this done by both black , white and indian people.
I think its racist and unacceptable. Do you?

These links below show shaq making racial tuants or so called jokes towards
yao ming

What if I started cracking a few jokes about chinese and other asians in this forum, I think people would be angry and rightly so.

Many people in this forum have been hurt by these kind of jokes directed at them by other races.

Again I say, when people are making these jokes about you and your laughing also are they laughing at you or with you?

Well it really depends on who is cracking the joke and how they are saying it. Nobody says "f*cking asians" in a serious offensive tone, but more like a light humorous tone. Even if someone did say it seriously it isn't really an insult. If ur black and some1 calls u black thats not an insult! It's like being fat, if ur actually fat and people call u fat its the truth....

And the thing about shaq.....sounds like something i would do LOL. I don't really mean it in an offensive way but yea, its pretty funny when u do crack those jokes and they laugh as well. But if u see they don't laugh u noe not to do it next time.
jackkool
QUOTE (kamii @ Mar 22 2005 6 13 AM)
Well it really depends on who is cracking the joke and how they are saying it.  Nobody says "f*cking asians" in a serious offensive tone, but more like a light humorous tone.  Even if someone did say it seriously it isn't really an insult.  If ur black and some1 calls u black thats not an insult!  It's like being fat, if ur actually fat and people call u fat its the truth....

And the thing about shaq.....sounds like something i would do LOL.  I don't really mean it in an offensive way but yea, its pretty funny when u do crack those jokes and they laugh as well.  But if u see they don't laugh u noe not to do it next time.
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So where do you draw the line kamii?
What would happen if someone was seriously racist to you ? How would
you react?

You regarded yourself as very racist because of these jokes.
Do you think that being seriously racist is wrong?

QUOTE (diary @ Mar 21 2005 8 13 PM)
Oh, I didn't Vietnam was like that too.  I'm not sure about other cultures, but for a lot of Chinese, marrying black people is almost like a taboo.

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Some of the views in the link below may explain why a lot of chinese see marrying a black person as taboo.
chinadaily community
I think I would venture to say that marrying a black person in most cultures is seen as taboo. Two examples are shown in the links below
http://www.iranian.com/Letters/2001/January/race2.html
http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?foru...3&lp=1105953803
kamii
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So where do you draw the line kamii?
What would happen if someone was seriously racist to you ? How would
you react?

You regarded yourself as very racist because of these jokes.
Do you think that being seriously racist is wrong?


Well if someone were seriously racist to me i dunno wat i'd do. I hav never been in that type of situation and i really don't know how to answer ur question......

And i am racist but every1 is even if its just a little...
jackkool
QUOTE (kamii @ Mar 25 2005 2 03 PM)
Well if someone were seriously racist to me i dunno wat i'd do.  I hav never been in that type of situation and i really don't know how to answer ur question......

And i am racist but every1 is even if its just a little...
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I still think that your not someone who I would call really racist ....given your answers
you are a little bit racist and you've explained why that is, as you said everybody is a bit racist but its realising racism is wrong which is the key. There as been very few cases of anybody being blantantly racist to my face...its been much more subtle than that.
which is in many ways is more dangerous.

The very subtle forms of discrimination that can happen at school or in college or in the workplace that you may not realise is happening at the time but later on it clicks.

I remember seeing a program called black and white the program featured two journalists one black and one white..they were both friends. The two journalist were placed in various situations such as a job interview with same qualifications the idea being to see how impartial the employer would be. The were other various situations too.

In one segment of the program the black journalist tried to get a hotel room and was politely told "the hotel has got no rooms" .
Then the white journalist went in 5 minutes later as was told they have plenty of rooms.... huh.gif

Get the picture. dry.gif

I will say again its not that I think your a bad person or even really racist.
At the moment you've had no experience of racism....so there is a certain amount of ignorance there.

However.... you might fell differently....if or when ......it happens to you.
kamii
i just wanna say that i believe there isn't really anything wrong with being racist...i mean u associate indians with curry, chinese with kung fu, black ppl for bball etc

but to hate some1 just cause they are black/yellow or white well that is extreme racism....i don't think that many people are that racist, although heaps of my family and friends do....

my driving instructor, he's asian as well, was having a conversion with me about if u had a car crash and there was a white witness and u hit a white person or it was the other way around the white people would stick together against the asian....i didn't believe this but when i asked other people for opinions they all said the same.....
Neoseraph
I live in Montreal, one of the 3 biggest cities of Canada. Here we have mutlticultural mix and that is good. However, like you mentioned "the lighter the color of the skin the prettier the person and the darker, the uglier", well, myself I have quite a few of friends asian, black, and white and now I even have a "red" guy here hehehe laugh.gif . My mom is a bit off and conservative and she thinks the same way you said, she doesn't like black people a lot. Maybe it's just the time she grown up with who made her this way. Anyway, I think, racism is less apparent or none in the more multicultural cities and especially the big ones, however, places were other cultures are less numerous, racism may still be bart of it.
diary
QUOTE (jackkool @ Mar 25 2005 7 26 AM)
Some of the views in the link below may explain why a lot of chinese see marrying a black person as taboo.
chinadaily community
I think I would venture to say that marrying a black person in most cultures is seen as taboo. Two examples are shown in the links below
http://www.iranian.com/Letters/2001/January/race2.html
http://www.network54.com/Forum/thread?foru...3&lp=1105953803
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Well, I know why it's a taboo for some Chinese. According to the Chinese historical context, the Blacks were slaves for the Chinese people. The Chinese see the Blacks as inferior because they think that Black people are only good for slavery, no good for other things. So, if the Chinese marry Black, it's like degrading themselves to the slavery category.

Of course not all Chinese people see Blacks as inferior. I hope Black people won't start hating Chinese because I posted this.

*Did not mean to sound racist at all, just speaking according to the historical context. I apologize in advance if I offended anyone.*

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abc-123
i think in my culture black people are seen as thugs, killers, robbers, etc. just because that is how the media portrays black people. so they have this negative portrayal of black people and wouldn't want anything to do with anyone who is black. and i guess parents of asian descent just prefer their children to marry within their own ethicity and so its not just blacks in particular. as for myself i i don't have any issues with black people just because i live in a predominantly black neighborhood and went to predominantly black schools and were friends with blacks along with kids of other ethnicities as i was growing up. as a matter of fact i a have a close friend who is black. i don't have any problems getting along with anyone who is black or of any other ethnicity for that matter. but sometimes i do feel really racist because of the black americans that i encounter in my neighborhood. many of the children would make racist comments or do things that are very obnoxious that leads me to think they're very uneducated and racist towards people of my ethicity. i know better than to overgeneralize and believe that all blacks are the that way because i have met many educated and non obnoxious african americans; sometimes i just can't help but to reciprocate the same feelings. but at the same time i don't see myself as a racist because i see a person beyond their skin color. i guess people's view of black people depends on they're own personal encounters, where they are from, and how blacks are portrayed in the media. and i don't this only applies to black people in particular but to people of all race and ethnicity.
jackkool
QUOTE (diary @ Mar 28 2005 3 25 AM)
Well, I know why it's a taboo for some Chinese.  According to the Chinese historical context, the Blacks were slaves for the Chinese people.  The Chinese see the Blacks as inferior because they think that Black people are only good for slavery, no good for other things.  So, if the Chinese marry Black, it's like degrading themselves to the slavery category. 

Of course not all Chinese people see Blacks as inferior.  I hope Black people won't start hating Chinese because I posted this.

*Did not mean to sound racist at all, just speaking according to the historical context.  I apologize in advance if I offended anyone.*

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What you stated there, doesn't sound racist at all diary you have stated facts. The chinese have also been slaves, some of the chinese who have that view, should realise
that. Although chinese people do get racism from black people also, I think the vast majorty of racism recieved comes from white people. I don't think I would be offending anybody if I said that. Many black people associate themselves with chinese because the chinese have had to go through similar struggles also.
Thats one reason why the 1% chinese population in Jamaica have been readily accepted by most Jamaicans. The chinese there obviously don't have a fear of black people and are not afraid to intermarry, should they fall in love with a black person.
My black friend from Jamaica is a example of that he has chinese relatives. laugh.gif

QUOTE (Neoseraph @ Mar 27 2005 3 31 PM)
I live in Montreal, one of the 3 biggest cities of Canada. Here we have mutlticultural mix and that is good. However, like you mentioned "the lighter the color of the skin the prettier the person and the darker, the uglier", well, myself I have quite a few of friends asian, black, and white and now I even have a "red" guy here hehehe  laugh.gif . My mom is a bit off and conservative and she thinks the same way you said, she doesn't like black people a lot. Maybe it's just the time she grown up with who made her this way. Anyway, I think, racism is less apparent or none in the more multicultural cities and especially the big ones, however, places were other cultures are less numerous, racism may still be bart of it.
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clapping.gif I am really pleased that you have been able to question what you have been taught, and been able to keep a open mind and a balanced view.

I do feel that if you do live in a multicultural society, it can be helpful in terms of having experience of meeting other people of races and learning about the different cultures.
It must ultimately be down to the individual, whether they want to see things in a closed mind or open mind.
jackkool
QUOTE (abc-123 @ Mar 28 2005 5 48 AM)
. but sometimes i do feel really racist because of the black americans that i encounter in my neighborhood. many of the children would make racist comments or do things that are very obnoxious that leads me to think they're very uneducated and racist towards people of my ethicity.  i know better than to overgeneralize and believe that all blacks are the that way because i have met many educated and non obnoxious african americans; sometimes i just can't help but to reciprocate the same feelings. but at the same time i don't see myself as a racist because i see a person beyond their skin color. i guess people's view of black people depends on they're own personal encounters, where they are from, and how blacks are portrayed in the media. and i don't this only applies to black people in particular but to people of all race and ethnicity.
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I really know how you feel in regards to reciprocating the same feelings when people are racist towards you because I have done the same in the past......even now I still get these feelings.....I do take a deep breath and a period of quite reflection though because I don't want to end up bitter and twisted like them, your right about persons view on race and ethnicity depending on there own personal encounters and the other factors involved. I have had some very negative experiences with eastern europeans but mostly those from Bulgaria, I knew some other black people from Ethiophia who were treated very badly, when they studied in Bulgaria.

They were going out with Bulgarian girls and the police there, arrested the lot of them, beat up the black guys and told the girls never to be seen with them again otherwise.....they would kill them.

I have a very good friend from Bulgaria now and I am sure I could have never been friends with him if I didn't take him as a individual in his own right.

It's very pleasing to me that there are people on this thread, in this forum like yourself, who are able to accept a persons race and ethnicity and are able to judge people fairly.... as individuals.

It gives me a lot of hope. smile.gif
vp509
i agree with other...when your in big cities there aren't as much as racism as in suburban areas....but i always wonder...how about in Europe?....how are black people viewed?
I know in America it really depends where you live...even in the same city...the location of where u live matter too...
jackkool
QUOTE (vp509 @ Mar 31 2005 7 13 AM)
i agree with other...when your in big cities there aren't as much as racism as in suburban areas....but i always wonder...how about in Europe?....how are black people viewed?
I know in America it really depends where you live...even in the same city...the location of where u live matter too...
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Well in the UK London is great because there is big ethnic community and manchester as well black people are accepted pretty well in these areas I find the further north you go of England the worse it gets in regards to racism. There is generallly a rise in facisim around Europe, eastern europe is partcular bad in the way they act towards black people. Spain as seen a rise in racism, its got very bad at football matches for the black footballers. I am surprised at this, I was in spain a year ago and spent a month there and I loved the place. For me the best european country for black people is definitly England.

In asia I felt very comfortable, I did get some racist comments thrown my way mostly ot was said in the native language which was translated by people with whom .I was travelling with. What I found strange was that nobody believed I was English they thought I was from America or Africa they just thought it was white people who lived in England. happy.gif'
babycinaswe3tgrl
i think of them as normal people until proven otherwise. but the people in my culture think of them as bad people and gangsters.
tinystar
I don't know about the whole chinese culture viewed on blacks..but my mom and dad definately won't allow us to date black people because they think it's a disgrace and the whole generation will be ruined..my mom don't want black gene generation in our chinese blood. Because when she was in america back in the only white days all blacks were only allow to sit at back of the bus..i think that trigger her and she once was rob by blacks. My sis is dating a mix black and my mom say if she marry him she disown her! even my dad say that! as for me i pity her. If you want my honest opinion my viewed on black people they are same like all of us the only diff is their color, some are so rude and some are so nice it all depend on how they were raise. i def won't marry or date a black person but i will be their friends but not lOVERs.
jackkool
QUOTE (tinystar @ Apr 4 2005 1 42 AM)
I don't know about the whole chinese culture viewed on blacks..but my mom and dad definately won't allow us to date black people because they think it's a disgrace and the whole generation will be ruined..my mom don't want black gene generation in our chinese blood. Because when she was in america back in the only white days all blacks were only allow to sit at back of the bus..i think that trigger her and she once was rob by blacks. My sis is dating a mix black and my mom say if she marry him she disown her! even my dad say that! as for me i pity her. If you want my honest opinion my viewed on black people they are same like all of us the only diff is their color, some are so rude and some are so nice it all depend on how they were raise. i def won't marry or date a black person but i will be their friends but not lOVERs.
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Well its your choice who you marry and your sister is also making her own choice. hopefully your mum won't disown your sister if she marries this man. It is unfortunate that your mum got mugged but as said you get good and bad people in every race.

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my mom don't want black gene generation in our chinese blood


I would like your mum and anybody else who thinks that the asian race is pure to see a important scientifc discovery in the link below.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/183392.stm

Its information as yet to be disputed
Sora_Aoi_Lover
Even though I have a few non-Asian friends, I still poke fun at any non-Asians so that includes black people. But I tend to keep the jokes inside and haven't unleash the full potenial of my mind. I don't think I have anything against them but I don't like them, in my opinion. So that leads to the fact that I hate interracial dating/marriage and anything interracial.

So that's me. Yeah. Harmless me.

ASIAN NINJA TIME ninja.gif
jackkool
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I don't think I have anything against them but I don't like them, in my opinion


Your contradicting yourself, you don't have anything against non asians but you dont like them!!!

Whats the reason? You've given no explanation here
AhWah
well where i live, most black people are considered i'll-mannered. most are rude and talk constantly yelling things out and laughing at the top of their lungs while no one else is even saying anything...just today a black girl insulted me for being asian. i ignored her. but i have seen quite a few that are pretty nice though. it is just the majority here.
jackkool
I am truely sorry to hear that Ahwah, at least you met some nice ones. Having recieved a lot of racism myself from asian and white people, i've learned long ago to just take people as individuals some people are pig ignorant, some are nice people . It can be hard if you recieve a lot of racism from a particular group of people to remain impartial. Taking each person on a individual basis I believe is the best way to deal with people.
heykki
Black people are at least somehow discriminated over here. Most of them are Somalians and that might be the reason for it. People think that all of them are criminals or just lazy people but the truth is, most are not.. just uneducated or not qualified to work..
jackkool
QUOTE (heykki @ Apr 5 2005 11 05 AM)
Black people are at least somehow discriminated over here. Most of them are Somalians and that might be the reason for it. People think that all of them are criminals or just lazy people but the truth is, most are not.. just uneducated or not qualified to work..
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I didn't realise there were somalians in Finland. There are a lot of somalians in England too. There seems to be some tension between them and the afrocarribean community. I would have thought that black people in finland are going to get a pretty hard time anyway seeing as there is not many of them there.
Chiggaz
Well, I'm from the states.. and in America blacks are still viewed as the race that contributes the LEAST to society..It's not difficult to understand why they're perceived this way. What other group of people in America contributes as large a part to the nation's poverty levels? Who's more known for their crimes than actual accomplishments? Well, the white man has a lot to do with the general black person's life in America. Slavery wasn't millions of years ago. It was pretty much yesterday and continues today in a more subtle manner. It's this exact slavery that comes back to haunt the white man in America everyday. It's this exact slavery that makes the average black person the way he/she is today.

The current generation of white people in America come in 2 forms: the ones that pretend slavery didn't happen and the ones who acknowledge that it did happen and spend their life "acting nice" to blacks and sucking up to them. White people generally feel obligated to blacks, but through their "felt"/"displayed" obligations (welfare, affirmative action, equal rights) they've come to think of themselves as "supporters"/"guardians" to the black population. This in turn has turned the average black man into a receiver, rather than a "do-er". The white man has transformed the black population into a bunch of "relying kids". If you're from America, you'd know what I mean. That is why the black man is perceived as "lazy" and "useless" in America..the white man has made him this way by being their "provider"..sure, some whites , asians, etc. also are benefitted by america's welfares and so on, but definitely to a lesser extent..the system was made for the black man..I'm speaking obviously from a general sense when I say "black man" or "black person" (white-washed blacks aren't included, I'll assume you know why)...

I grew up in the inner city and spent my schooling career in inner city schools before I went on to college. I've seen a black population in depth, at least from an inner city point of view. I have no problem with blacks. In high school, I was the only Asian and about 97 percent of my school was black. In fact, I'd rather have the company of an innercity black than the average white person. I won't include the "white-washed blacks" as a people that I'd care to associate with. A white-washed black is obviously an exception to the norm. An inner city black, well, the ones I've met, usually keep it real. There's no bullshitting or smiles just to please me. Most of the blacks I know are straight-forward. I can hardly say the same thing about whites, who fake smiles and bullshit with you just to please you. On a side note, I've never once met a white person I felt was being his/her honest self when speaking with me. They are all smoke and mirrors. Anyway, back to blacks...they do live a somewhat unfulfilled and impoverished life in the states, but the white man's system has put them in this situation. Even though the white man's system is supressing them, the black man should be fighting for his/her escape from the white man's grip. Yes, there are again exceptions int terms of blacks in the innercity becoming successful. Again though, the general black population in America isn't doing its part in society...when ignoring the few anomalies, the black population in America is a disappointment...unfortunately...

That concludes my random thoughts on how blacks are viewed in my culture (one of them)....
AhWah
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It's this exact slavery that comes back to haunt the white man in America everyday. It's this exact slavery that makes the average black person the way he/she is today.


yes, i agree that this is the case for most black people in america. they were treated badly before they got their freedom, and now...i guess people are trying to "make up" for the way black people were treated. now, it seems that they take advantage of this. when they treat you badly, most people ignore this, when vice versa, they say you are racist and many people would support this, because of their guilt for the way black people use to be treated. honestly, where i live, if a black person insults an asian, no one would really care, and you can't do anything about this. when the situation is reversed, they will be on your back. this is one of the reasons why some asian people say they are scared of black people. the nice black people i met have manners and show respect to people, i am glad that i met these kinds of people, or else i might assume all black people are the "advantage taking" kind. even though there are many people like this, you still have to judge each person indiviually.
jackkool
QUOTE (aznchiggaman @ Apr 7 2005 2 09 AM)
Slavery wasn't millions of years ago. It was pretty much yesterday and continues today in a more subtle manner.
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A sad but very true fact. Let me take the school system in England as a example. I was still in school not long ago.

What do Black people learn about their history in school?

Answer: Some lessons about slavery ...after that sweet F*ck all
My history teacher who was black wanted to teach about black history starting with mary seacole, a pioneering nurse and heroine of the Crimean war.
She couldn't teach this because of the system...... which is run by white people. Instead we were taught about the wild west?...The history of England ie oliver cromwell and other such bullshit.

End result?
A very subtle form of whitewashing and slavery.

My parents warned me about this so I learned about black history with them and continue to learn today. A lot of black people here in England don't know about their history apart from slavery. Black history isn't just about slavery. It has a long history that dates back long before Europe was even considered a united continent.There is plenty for a black person to be proud of.

There is so much to learn, new discoveries are being made all the time. Such as Dna that traces the chinese back to africa. Sure its old news 1998 and i've posted it before, but how many people know about it. I've posted some data about this below.


Genetic researchers say they have found fresh evidence that Chinese people are descended from Africans.
Academics from the University of Texas and their colleagues in China studied 28 population groups in China and concluded that most - if not all - had their genetic origins in Africa.

It was taken from this page http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/sci/tech/183392.stm

Many people choose to ignore it.....

I would encourage asians who don't know very much about their own history to start learning, as it is important tool against racism and prejudice

QUOTE (aznchiggaman @ Apr 7 2005 2 09 AM)
Even though the white man's system is supressing them, the black man should be fighting for his/her escape from the white man's grip. Yes, there are again exceptions int terms of blacks in the innercity becoming successful. Again though, the general black population in America isn't doing its part in society.
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Looking at the UK also I would have to say this is correct. It relates to what I stated before about knowing history, any black person who reads about their history, should be angry because of the treatment they have recieved from whites, asians etc. That anger should be used in a constructive way....to achieve. I do know some very successful black people many of which are friends and family.

QUOTE (aznchiggaman @ Apr 7 2005 2 09 AM)
On a side note, I've never once met a white person I felt was being his/her honest self when speaking with me. They are all smoke and mirrors.
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You stated before that you have white friends didnt you? Are they the acception to the rule or are you just bullshiting them? I've notice a undercurrent of anger towards white people in your posts.

While understanding that experiences and history of white oppression and racism can make a Asian or black very angry, there is a danger of becoming extremist. There are some black groups out there who want blacks to be "pure" they want to eventually eleminate whites and possibly asians too.

I've experienced this smoke and mirrors bullshit from white and asian and whitewashed blacks too.

Best to take white people or who ever on a individual basis.
When I was in india it was a white german who spoke out against some white english travellers in india who were giving me racial jibes.

It was a white, south african who saved my life as I was about to stumble off a cliff.
The white friends I do have I value them not because they are white but because they are my friends.

"We must learn to live together as brothers or perish together as fools."
Martin Luther King Jr.


QUOTE (AhWah @ Apr 7 2005 6 02 AM)
yes, i agree that this is the case for most black people in america. they were treated badly before they got their freedom, and now...i guess people are trying to "make up" for the way black people were treated. now, it seems that they take advantage of this. when they treat you badly, most people ignore this, when vice versa, they say you are racist and many people would support this.
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Racism is unacceptable on ALL sides, NO ACCEPTIONS

QUOTE (AhWah @ Apr 7 2005 6 02 AM)
. honestly, where i live, if a black person insults an asian, no one would really care, and you can't do anything about this. when the situation is reversed, they will be on your back.
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In England, nobody blinks if chinese people are insulted by white, black or indian it does piss me off that there are black people who join in the abuse of chinese people because they should know better.

In Jamaica though the 1% chinese population are respected for the most part by the black majority and seen as a valued part of the community.

QUOTE (AhWah @ Apr 7 2005 6 02 AM)
this is one of the reasons why some asian people say they are scared of black people.
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Sure but there are other reasons why some asians don't like blacks. One of them being that black is seen as a ugly and dirty colour by many people. I won't accept racism, if I see it taking place, be it my own race or not, I will speak up about it and I would encourage anybody to do the same.

QUOTE (AhWah @ Apr 7 2005 6 02 AM)
the nice black people i met have manners and show respect to people, i am glad that i met these kinds of people, or else i might assume all black people are the "advantage taking" kind. even though there are many people like this, you still have to judge each person indiviually.
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Thats a good quote to finish on and further evidence that a person should be judged
as a individual.

Its the heart and soul of a person that counts, the body is just the vessel it is contained in.

Sure we are all different, no need to assimulate into one race all that is needed is acceptance and understanding of other races.
kallie616
I can understand why everyone believes Blacks in America are the majority on welfare. But i'm here to tell you it is not true...At least not here in NYC. I have a friend that works with the welfare board in NYC and the majority on Welfare are White Women and in 2nd are Hispanic women (Single Mothers). Yes it's fare to say there's a large amount of Blacks on it, but the city and the Federal Gov't have been making sure they get these people trained and get them jobs (those from all racial backgrounds). If i can get her to get me some form of proof i will happily post it here for all to see.

Welfare was not created for Black people. In the U.S., the national welfare system was set up as a result of violent struggle by millions of unemployed workers during the depression of the 1930s.

The system it self is a form of Slavery. NO its not free money these people have to work for the checks they receive. It's not min wage. You either work or get thrown off..some money is better than none, so they stay on.
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