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Poll: Hong Kong vs Shanghai (13 member(s) have cast votes)

Will Hong Kong be overtaken by Shanghai economically within 10 years?

  1. Shanghai will replace HK as the IFC of China. (4 votes [30.77%])

    Percentage of vote: 30.77%

  2. Hong Kong will retain its position as the sole IFC in China. (9 votes [69.23%])

    Percentage of vote: 69.23%

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#1 Titan49

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 07:28 PM

In 1995, Fortune magazine famously predicted the "Death of Hong Kong". That article touches upon the economic climate on how HK will lose its economic edge under PRC rule.

Will HK's economic performance and competitive edge be overtaken by the Beijing-supported Shanghai or will HK's economic and legal system prevail? Shanghai is poised to become an international financial centre by 2020, with full support from Beijing. However, HK is already an international financial centre. Will HK be "taken out of the game soon"?

#2 Schlong

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Posted 24 July 2012 - 09:25 PM

I'm sure Hong Kong will still have a lot of international economic power for a long time but Shanghai may catch up.
Who knows what holds for politics and economics in the future?

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Posted 26 July 2012 - 12:27 AM

eventually. not that the government favors shanghai over hong kong or any major city. but it will take a very long time before shanghai is as rich as hong kong.

#4 Rambo Wong

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Posted 18 October 2012 - 12:06 AM

Hong Kong and Shanghai will always be rivals. Will the Shanghai Faction is no longer in Power now that Jiang Zemin's term is over. The Beijing gang led by Hu Jintao will be out next month. I don't know where the new leader stands. Hong Kong of course has it's own gang.

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:15 PM

Shanghai because the other city was aided and helped built by the Brits while Shanghai is purely an Asian asset.

#6 muddy

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Posted 01 November 2012 - 10:19 PM

View PostDreamWeaver1337, on 01 November 2012 - 10:15 PM, said:

Shanghai because the other city was aided and helped built by the Brits while Shanghai is purely an Asian asset.

that many be true in the past. but the current hong kong financial sector is booming because of the capital outflows coming in from the mainland

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Posted 03 November 2012 - 04:52 PM

It rests mainly on the decision by the great, gloriour, ever-correct CPC, at least for the time being.

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Posted 06 November 2012 - 06:28 AM

View PostRambo Wong, on 18 October 2012 - 12:06 AM, said:

Hong Kong and Shanghai will always be rivals. Will the Shanghai Faction is no longer in Power now that Jiang Zemin's term is over. The Beijing gang led by Hu Jintao will be out next month. I don't know where the new leader stands. Hong Kong of course has it's own gang.
Your estimate is not correct at all. The big bosses may retire but their influence may not be necessarily weakened. Mr. Hu has his own root in the former Communist Youth League. Hong Kong is unlikely to form its own gang thanks to ICAC. Those gangs of Young and Dangerous can only be available in movies made by the local directors,which to some extent show that actually people cannot get satisfaction from the reality so they turn to movies for pleasure.

Edited by OldOldBoy, 06 November 2012 - 06:29 AM.


#9 teddyc

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Posted 24 November 2012 - 10:34 PM

Shanghai hasn't matured into a financial center that is trusted. Until we see that the rule of law is demonstrated to be effective and followed and on par with Hong Kong, there really is no competition. That's why we're seeing a lot of Mainland Chinese students working in the banks in Hong Kong. They're there to learn but also to practice as foreign corporations still have no trust in Mainland China.

Even if the rule of law prevails in China, the best I can see the Shanghai becoming a financial center would be what Silicon Valley is to old money New York. Shanghai will always be new money compared to Hong Kong because we're only seeing 2nd generation rich folks coming out of China right now while Hong Kong has been old money for at least 5 generations so Shanghai will always have a 3 generation lag behind Hong Kong. The knowledge, experience and sophistication in creating and nurturing a financial centre is what will give Hong Kong a leg up over Shanghai.

However, policy makers can back bench Hong Kong by making it less business friendly, particularly with the current Chief Exec Leung Chun Ying, and make Shanghai look more favourable, thereby paralyzing Hong Kong while Shanghai grows. The thing is, knowledge, experience and sophistication is mobile and can be transplanted in and out of anywhere. Hong Kong will continue to outpace Shanghai.

#10 muddy

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Posted 16 December 2012 - 02:37 AM

hong kong is asia's financial center because it has money. its probably the richest city in asia, and this is because money that asians want to invest elsewhere in the world goes through hong kong, and money that the rest of the world wants to invest in asia goes through hong kong. this has made hong kong extremely rich. singapore too.

what will make shanghai the next financial hub? the fact that mainland reduces its dependence on the hk financial institutions, eliminating hk as the middleman.

but china does not work to detriment hk. hk is a part of china, they arent seperate. thats like saying china will screw over shanghai just to make beijing look more attractive to invest. like wtf?

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 01:03 AM

Hong Kong all the way! Shanghai is catching up, but it still needs a lot of time to overcome or be on the same level as Hong Kong! Not to mention mentally...

#12 MrCritique

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Posted 27 December 2012 - 05:45 AM

View Postmuddy, on 16 December 2012 - 02:37 AM, said:

hong kong is asia's financial center because it has money. its probably the richest city in asia, and this is because money that asians want to invest elsewhere in the world goes through hong kong, and money that the rest of the world wants to invest in asia goes through hong kong. this has made hong kong extremely rich. singapore too.


Are you sure about this? Let's say if someone from Tokyo who wants to invest in American equities, he/she has to do in HK? Or if someone from Brussel who wants to invest in yen denominated bonds, he/she has to do in HK?

Edited by MrCritique, 27 December 2012 - 05:46 AM.


#13 forevabrainless92

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:31 AM

Not really sure about 10 years.

Shanghai may be the mainland's fastest growing economic powerhouse but it still has a long way to go to become an 'international finance centre'

Hong Kong has the long established tradition of common law practices implemented by the British and is considered 'safer' because of the legal protections that are in place for both businesses and prospective clients. There is a clear definition of what is legal and what isn't compared to Shanghai. Until Shanghai's legal system (well mainland in general unless there are certain concessions granted) matures and develops it cannot be held in the same regard as Hong Kong because investors and corporations will not want to invest in a city that offers no legal protections for its companies. A lack of clear and definitive legal protections for international corporations and businesses will prevent Shanghai to excel in this regard.

Shanghai is an experiemental ground for the central government to observe what policies they perceive to be favourable and what they deem no favourable. While Hong Kong has relatively few restrictions in banking and capital accumulation, Shanghai has protective measures in banking and capital market which don't allow it to operate at maximum potential.

But as some people have said before it is entirely up to the decision of the CCP. I think in the past decades Shanghai has been heavily promoted as an economic centre simply because the land mass is bigger and there are more opportunities for development (physically in terms of buildings and financial services, Hong Kong is tiny in land mass and there may be trouble getting more buildings constructed). Even though Hong Kong is by definition a SAR that enjoys a wide range of political, civil and economic autonomy this can all change and the central government has the power to alter that economic power.

I think for the time being Hong Kong will remain as an 'international financial centre' simply because of the well established name it has made for itself, becoming instantly recognisable and has a very long tradition of economic success and longevity. Shanghai is relatively new and there is no doubt that it will develop in the future as it is now (growth rates are astonishing) but until the rule of law (or some other chinese equivalent) becomes common place most companies and investors are cautious when it comes to dealing business in Shanghai.





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