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Causes of mental illnesses?

depression bipolar schizoprhenia etc.

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#1 Trambeline

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 07:57 AM

What do you think are the main causes of people having mental illnesses? What do you notice or heard about the behaviours of these individuals? Could mental illnesses tie in with poverty? How can we better an illness that ultimately in practice, cannot be totally cured?

Edited by ~*~Marz~*~, 04 January 2013 - 11:49 AM.


#2 MichaelD

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Posted 26 November 2012 - 09:31 PM

I am not a DR but I have a brother who is Bi-polar schizophrenic & what the dr's told us was there was a chem imbalance in his brain,,like he was not getting enough of X and that caused the madness almost like a short circuit. Really sad stuff he was a 4.0 student in college and then some time after he just lost it, my heart just breaks for him but he has no control.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 03:56 PM

I myself am diagnosed with manic-depression when I was 17 years old. I was feeling suicidal for some time also. Luckily, I am on treatment with pschotropic medication, which make me feel like I can do a lot more things than before. It's just devasting not having treatment for this illness. It lasts a lifetime, though knowing I have treatment sort of makes me feel better. The part about a chemical imbalance in the brain is what doctor says, true, but really I think it is because of bad parents and preconceived ideas that people grow up with, which make them sick. It took me years to recover, but I have to say it is better having treatment than not. I am sorry to hear that about your brother mjdibatt.

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Posted 28 November 2012 - 04:05 PM

Why thank you Tram,,,it was very hard to understand how a extremely brilliant man just went over the edge and poof he was gone never to be himself again. I still dont understand it today. But with his meds he can function a bit but nothing like he was. I am soooo sorry for you but glad you are doing good I know how hard you must have had it. Hang in there ;)

#5 Trambeline

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Posted 29 November 2012 - 08:03 PM

It looks like he will probably need an IMAO, the highest of the anti-depressants. He would function like a party animal in no time. I've been fighting this illness for more than ten years, I know a thing or two about it ;).

#6 nomad 822

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Posted 30 November 2012 - 01:46 AM

View PostTrambeline, on 28 November 2012 - 03:56 PM, said:

The part about a chemical imbalance in the brain is what doctor says, true, but really I think it is because of bad parents and preconceived ideas that people grow up with, which make them sick. It took me years to recover, but I have to say it is better having treatment than not. I am sorry to hear that about your brother mjdibatt.


It's sad that the stigmas attached often prevent people from seeking professional help, until some catalyst pushes them off the edge. Or even to suicide.

Whenever people hear mental health - many think mental as in 'mad - ie loony tunes'.

I came across this somewhere and like to show it to any clients who may/or think they have depression, or are so wrapped up in a web of absolute negativity or feel bad (as in internalise) about everything:

(1) It is usually the combination of rish factors rather than a single ONE that results in the onset of depression.

And this is the part I really like.
(2) The question is NOT

What is wrong with this person BUT rather what has happened to this person (as in family, people, events, society around a person plays an equal part in contribution as well).

People don't change from being happy content beings into depressed beings overnight. Even if genetically predisposed, there must be a list of triggers (which sometimes family members like to alientate themselves from).

Too often that general simplistic thinking that a professional or medication is going to work the complete cure is misleading.
It's an unjudgemental network of support systems.

Edited by nomad 822, 01 December 2012 - 01:13 AM.


#7 Goldencarp

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Posted 07 December 2012 - 11:42 AM

Maybe this won't answer your question but I WILL VENT ON IT ... why? Because "someone like me ... especially in THE MOMENT OF WRITING THIS OR some impressions people may have had out there" ... IS EXACTLY THE TYPE OF b*llsh*t THAT PEOPLE WOULD MISTAKE FOR "mental problems"

I DON'T HAVE A FUCKIN' MENTAL DISORDER ... IT'S EITHER JUST ANGER OR AN ATTITUDE OR SOMETIMES BOTH THAT I HAVE FOR MANY THINGS ... THEY ARE EMOTIONS, THEY ARE REAL, AND IF THAT'S WHAT IT MEANS "to be human" then FUCKIN' "human" I AM

and I DON'T BELIEVE MY THOUGHTS AND EMOTIONS "are wrong" ... THEY'RE SIMPLY PERCEPTIONS / THE WAY I SEE AND EXPERIENCE THINGS ... AND IF EMOTIONS AND SOMETIMES ACTION FOLLOW ... I FEEL WHAT I FEEL AND DO WHAT I DO

But I don't get angry or violent about everything. Not all the time ... sometimes I don't even get emotional. Not because I'm cold but because SOMETIMES IT'S UNNECCESARY AND TAKE LOGIC OVER EMOTION


As far as feelings goes ... EMOTIONS AND INTENSITY ... I SPEAK FOR NO ONE ELSE AT THE TIME (although I will have opinions on the majority / people / or inidividuals in any context that I speak) BUT WHEN I FEEL something I FEEL WHAT I FEEL

and if others "call that crazy OR associate that with mental disorders" THEN I BELIEVE THEY ARE JUST AFRAID OF WHAT THEY DON'T understand. Especially when you don't know people on a personal level OR what they've been through "to turn out like that"

and while I do believe that there are people out there with mental disorders ... I DON'T believe I'm one of them

WHAT I AM IS SOMEONE WHO IS EMOTIONALLY INTENSE AT TIMES AND STRONG HEADED

If that is being me ... that is who I am and I accept that


What I have learned about some people with mental disorders (I won't say who they are in reference ... but just for one example, there is someone I know ... and I HAVE ALSO SEEN some other people out there "who aren't always right in the head") ... people who "can't seem to rationalize what do / think OR are even oblivious in a sense BUT IN WAYS THAT'S JUST BLATANT LIKE WHY NO COMPRENDE?????? "

Note: I don't care if you don't like the grammar of that ... at least fuckin' understand what I'm saying

Example: I know someone who I think / WHO I BELIEVE has mental problems but she seems to care about the MOST STUPID TRIVIAL LITTLE THINGS THAT ARE NOT IMPORTANT OR RELEVANT to anything I think is important OR when I'm trying to make points and rationalize something ... and instead makes a hypocrite of herself OR just lame excuses

and she's VERY VERY INCREDIBLY FRUSTRATING to talk with (ESPECIALLY FROM ME as if she has some kind of bias against listening to me) and I JUST WANT TO SLAP AND SMASH THAT STUPID SKULL OF HERS. EVER HAD THAT FEELING OF SOMEONE YOU JUST WANT TO GRAB AND THROW THEM OR SHOVE THEM RIGHT OFF A CLIFF???????? THAT'S HOW SHE MAKES ME FEEL


THERE ARE SOME sick pyschotic people out there

example: serial killers or people who just go around and kill or rape for basically no good or rational / or unjustified reasons

But those are criminals and I'm not talking about that. Those people just have "sick reasons they enjoy for what they do ... I don't know why but they do


anyway ... I mean people don't just get up the next day and all of a sudden they're psycho or crazy in the head or mentally ill

It doesn't work like that. It might be genetic for some people at some time in their life BUT ASSUMING IT ISN'T ... it's because of the environments and experiences they've been in


I'm not saying simply having bad experiences always means people "have mental disorders" ... NO it doesn't always happen ... but it is COMMON FOR MANY PEOPLE to have one or more symptons that would "be looked at as a trait towards possible mental disorders"

I think "the more common ones" would be like addictions, OCD, and sometimes depression or "certain forms of paranoia or phobias"

and of course some are worse than others ... more OR less, not everyone "has the same levels of a disorder" ... but it's only in EXTREME cases that you can really call it a mental disorder ... even though "it's possible for some people to develop them over time" and that's what you don't want

I think it's usually harder on older people to get out of ... especially when they're in 50s or older, people like that are hard to change


and yes ... I know I'm on at an odd time ... but I don't care. It DOESN'T BOTHER ME. I might wake up "a bit late in the morning" but that's okay ... and no, I don't do this every night. I've actually been off the Internet almost all week ... busy, been very very busy


If I "have any sort of disorder" ... it's working a bit too much. WHEN I HAVE CERTAIN TASKS OR WORK THAT I WANT TO FINISH OR COMPLETE TO THE END ... I TEND TO HAVE A TENDENCY TO JUST KEEP GOING AND GOING, and perhaps "overdo it / overwork myself a bit too much" whether it's SEVERAL HOURS, ALMOST ALL DAY OR ALL WEEK ... I just have that commitment and focus to just keep going and going until it's finished or as much as possible BEFORE I actually take a REAL break.

The positive is productive but I also feel I go at it too long ... my main reason for it is commitment and focus, and SOMETIMES stubborn. To me it's not really a bad thing unless I'm really aching or exhausted or "subconsciously feel I'm wasting time when I could be doing something else" ... BUT IF I DON'T FEEL THAT WAY ... THEN I DON'T regret it.

It depends how important it is to me OR how much I'm enjoying it


But yes ... I need to take a break every now and then. In reality leisure and relaxing is WHAT I SHOULD DO MORE OF ... but at least on the "positive side of things" I have the long term focus / ability and commitment to keep going until I finish something or as much as possible

I wouldn't even call it a "disorder" ... but I would call it a strength that I'm proud of in many cases


and if a b*tch doesn't want to hear it ... THEN DON'T READ IT YA STUPID b*tch. IF YA DON'T LIKE IT DON'T READ IT

That's my attitude and response to this topic


note: that was not directed at the OP but just for anyone who doesn't like what I said

Edited by MiSuru, 07 December 2012 - 11:52 AM.


#8 lixs

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Posted 08 December 2012 - 05:04 PM

Woah! Has it ever occurred to you that you have anger management issue?

What's with all the caps (shouting) and cursing? A topic was posed for discussion, and you went rambling and swearing about *fill in the blank* (I can't finish reading because my eyes hurt from all the swearing and blaming for everything that doesn't agree with you)

#9 Goldencarp

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Posted 12 December 2012 - 08:34 AM

View Postlixs, on 08 December 2012 - 05:04 PM, said:

Woah! Has it ever occurred to you that you have anger management issue?

What's with all the caps (shouting) and cursing? A topic was posed for discussion, and you went rambling and swearing about *fill in the blank* (I can't finish reading because my eyes hurt from all the swearing and blaming for everything that doesn't agree with you)

I don't have an "anger management problem"... BUT I DON'T LIKE YOU!!!!!!!! LOL ... yeah I know you don't like the caps lock

and no I wasn't showing anger ... even though it looks like it ... okay, maybe a bit of it ... but that's not what it's really about

AGAIN YOU MISS THE POINT ... I was explaining that I'm just an emotionally intense person (sometimes) ...

and not SIMPLY someone with "anger problems"

Edited by MiSuru, 12 December 2012 - 08:35 AM.


#10 Goldencarp

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Posted 13 December 2012 - 08:46 AM

I may get angry sometimes but I am not in denial.


I may get angry at times ... and yes, there's some, or a few, times "when maybe it's a bit out of line or wasn't neccessary" ... but for all the other times ... it doesn't mean I don't understand my anger or why I was angry or "as if I had no right to be" ... I don't deny my feelings in general ... I just try to find ways to cope with them or manage them in some way

Whether it means venting OR more peaceful ways ... and you know what?


When I was a kid long, long time ago ... there was a time I never talked back to my mom. I always listened to her and just kept following sh*t I didn't believe in AND went to church even though I was bored as h--- out of it and didn't really understand what the
f--- we were doing there. It was just totally boring AND I didn't really see how it was changing my life for the better ... I chose not to be a sheep any more


I DON'T EVEN WANNA KNOW how much worse life could of been if I had continued to listen to her or just kept going to church ... but I CERTAINLY DON'T THINK it would of been for the better ... HELL NO AND I HAVEN'T LOOKED BACK SINCE. GLAD NOT TO.

and the more I got tired of all the b*llsh*t out there ... the more I went to seek answers for myself, looking into the hows and whys of everything out there I came across ... and I'm glad I haven't looked back since, for the better

Edited by MiSuru, 13 December 2012 - 08:46 AM.


#11 Goldencarp

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Posted 19 December 2012 - 07:58 AM

Who said anything about suicide???

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Posted 26 December 2012 - 02:31 PM

Having worked with people with mental illness, though not a lot as I don't specialise in that area of health, I think that to me, and for many others who have dealt with individuals with mental illness, is that mental illness is a a very complex and debilitating medical issue which is wholly mis-understood by the general public.

Main cause, in my opinion, is categorised by
1) Genetic
2) Environmental

I have seen those who have been severely traumatised which have resulted in their behaviours, some stories are just devastating to hear/read. One can then understand why they are acting like that, and find the heart to forgive them for their behaviours when they are acutely unwell. I have worked with those who are mentally ill, and many of the times it is something in their life which caused them to be in the situation they are in. It is this one catalyst which just breaks their life and turns everything up side down. Some I have met were fully functioning people of important positions before they were sick. From then on, their life changed, and not many things look bright after that.

I have also seen those who were born with such illness, and it is sad as they are never able to experience what normal life is. But majority of the ones I have met have predisposition for the illness, and it was a catalyst which transformed their lives.

I don't think it is entirely poverty that causes mental illness, but mental illness causing poverty. How many employer will employ a mentally ill individual? It isn't easy for them to understand the illness and therefore will not employ them. As a result, when one isn't employed, one will only get worse in their condition and thus spiral into poverty.

It is something which we know no cure of, but can only have 'Management Plans' for. We can only manage to drugs and a combination of therapy to help those with mental illness. It is something many of us will not understand. Sometimes health professionals can only do so much to help, but there are those who are dedicated to help and thus study and research into better ways to manage those with mental illness. The years of work, study and research many health professionals put in is to hope that maybe someday, we can help those with mental illness, and to remove the stigma attached to this.

I think sometimes, the stigma alone is bad enough, and isn't something those with mental illness will benefit from.

#13 Trambeline

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Posted 28 December 2012 - 02:10 PM

Very well said indeed Sw33tz, sounds sweetly explained to me. Well, being a victim of mental illness, and studying in the field, as well as having friends of the same fate ... I know a thing or two about the kinds of medicine that works for me, and those that just won't do anything at all. For four years residing in a halfway home in America, I have come to realize that there are certain medicine with lots of side effects that doctors are actually scared to prescribe to patients. I however was lucky enough to have the kinds of medicine that come close to a cure for me---in my opinion.

Nowadays, not only do I have daily interests to involve myself with, I can manage on my own taking care of myself alot better.


It all lies in the key of having an interest in life, someone who I can get along well with, and having just enough necessary for me to take care of. Then, only then can I be a happy and contented person.

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Posted 01 February 2013 - 09:45 AM

Mental illness is complicated, you can't really point to a single gene and say this is the gene for schizophrenia like you can for huntington or cystic fibrosis. How much is nature and how much is nurture (bad parenting, circumstances) varies depending on which disorder you're talking about. For instance schizophrenia and bipolar have clear heritability whereas depression not so much. Understandable since depression is so much more prevalent than the other severe illnesses. The more sever it is the less influence nature has on it. Many of these illnesses though do have its onset after a life stressor. It's like the brain is already degenerating and you have something to push it over the edge much like someone with a weak immune system is more prone to get sick.

Many life circumstances when severe enough alter a person's chemical balance such as victims of abise and violence deve;p[omg Post traumatic stress disorder or refractory depression.

OTOH, some people are a certain way b/c it's their personality and not necessarily due to a mental illness. There are no medication that can help these people except a good whack on the head.

What's interesting is the antisocial person, people who are in touch with reality but choose to violate others. Complicated this is sometime they're overcome by rage or a detatchment that numb them to the effect of their cruel act. If you look at what these people do you must think they've got to be crazy to do that! but then to call it a mental illness, you must then absolve these people for their crime? There have been studies that show their brains are different.

The brain is the last frontier. the more science advances in this area, the less separation you see between the brain and the mind. I wonder sometimes if our soul is nothing more than complicated intereractions medicated by neuro-chemicals.

#15 Goldencarp

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Posted 02 February 2013 - 08:12 PM

I think before anyone calls something "a mentall illness" or tries to think someone is "mentally ill" ... they should try to "see the possible reasons for why that person is the way you think they are"

and that means we shouldn't think everything is just "neurological" or just something in the brain ... I'm not saying there never is with some people, but of course we have to look at reasons outside

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Posted 03 February 2013 - 11:49 AM

Stress, genes, a traumatic incident, chemical/hormonal imblances. These are a few I can think of.

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Posted 10 February 2013 - 01:53 AM

I believe the main causes are from society, an individual's view on life and themselves, hormones, and one's experiences.

I work in the medical field, so I do see and have talked to a handful of MH patients before. Most of them are the way they are because they have no control over it (i.e. schizophrenia, bipolar disorder) and/or based on something they went through (i.e. mistreated, abused). It sometimes break my heart to see them like this, especially when it is something people do not want to be trapped in. Then there are those I am less sympathetic for, which are the ones who chose to do self-harm like turning to alcohol and making themselves become more miserable than they already are.. and those are usually the ones who give us the most trouble.





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